Monster helmets on normal?

SG_Celerrimus · November 2016

Is it possible to get monster helmets, specifically the one from Cradle of Shadows, on normal? I have been trying to get it for a while and have yet to find a group that can kill the place on veteran, and so far all my attempts on normal have not resulted in it dropping. Just wondering if its worth spamming normal queues for it.

Kodrac · November 2016

Nope. Helms only drop from vet.

Taleof2Cities · November 2016

No, monster helms are exclusive to Vet Dungeons only ...

Sentinel · November 2016

There was a bug when cradle of shadows was first released in which it was possible to get a helm on normal (I got one on my first playthrough of it to my surprise), however I think they fixed that bug and others like it some time ago.

idk · November 2016

Kodrac wrote: »

Nope. Helms only drop from vet.

This answer is incorrect.

Monster helms have a chance to drop in normal. It's not a high changed but it's there. Last character I leveled I did it via random GF. Obviously all dungeons were in normal. Got a few minster helms that were obviously of little use, lol.

But absolutely low chance.

EdIt, this was just 2 weeks ago.

shadelon · November 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Nope. Helms only drop from vet.

This answer is incorrect.

Monster helms have a chance to drop in normal. It's not a high changed but it's there. Last character I leveled I did it via random GF. Obviously all dungeons were in normal. Got a few minster helms that were obviously of little use, lol.

But absolutely low chance.

EdIt, this was just 2 weeks ago.

"Veteran Dungeon: Completing a Pledge in a Veteran version of the dungeon awards a single Undaunted Key, but completing Veteran versions of the Dungeon are also the only way to get the Undaunted Monster Masks."

From the patch notes. What you got was a bug, not intended.

Delimber · November 2016

Lucked out one weekend and the Undaunted Vendor in Cyrodiil was selling it so bought it. 100k gold or 200k AP.

cpuScientist · November 2016

Why yes they should drop in normal aswell as gear which already does. HOWEVER, it should be a chance not guaranteed, and it should all only come in prosperous amd training. And take those traits out of vet versions. This would mean players who are not quite ready to make the leap to vet still get usable gear that can help them level. And get ready to take that leap.

Kirameku · November 2016

Those who can't beat vet dungeon don't deserve monster helm

JamieAubrey · November 2016

If they where to add helms to Normal expect then to be CP150

Carl-lan · November 2016

They only drop in Vet. Think about it. If it dropped in normal why would anyone do Vet? Pledges for example:

Normal = 1 key
Vet = 1 key + monster helm
Vet Hard Mode = 2 keys + monster helm

If they dropped in normal no one would ever do vet pledges. You have to be incentivised and rewarded in some way.

lardvader · November 2016

Before U12 there was a small chance to get helmet in nCoS (and prob. nRoM) but now it's vet only.

Otherwise it's the golden vendor....

Naughty_Ryder · November 2016

Correction, Monster helmets can drop from normal dungeons with a very rare drop chance. Such a low drop chance that it is not with the time trying to farm it on normal. Just find a good Vet group and get drop after drop till you get the trait you want!

Enslaved · November 2016

I got my first and best Velidreth medium divines on normal, but it was before 1T.

Biro123 · November 2016

Wasn't there some talk before 1T hit about them having a 10% drop rate in normal? I guess they changed that before going live.

Prof_Bawbag · November 2016

Carl-lan wrote: »

They only drop in Vet. Think about it. If it dropped in normal why would anyone do Vet? Pledges for example:

Normal = 1 key
Vet = 1 key + monster helm
Vet Hard Mode = 2 keys + monster helm

If they dropped in normal no one would ever do vet pledges. You have to be incentivised and rewarded in some way.

I'll hazard a guess and say people would still do vet dungeons because there are people in every game that enjoy challenging themselves regardless of the rewards on offer. Granted the numbers would drop, but to state no one would do vet dungeons is a tad dramatic.

lardvader · November 2016

Tranquil_Fairy wrote: »

Correction, Monster helmets can drop from normal dungeons with a very rare drop chance. Such a low drop chance that it is not with the time trying to farm it on normal. Just find a good Vet group and get drop after drop till you get the trait you want!

Nope they changed this in U12:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/294849/pc-mac-patch-notes-v2-6-4-update-12-one-tamriel#latest

Veteran Dungeon: Completing a Pledge in a Veteran version of the dungeon awards a single Undaunted Key, but completing Veteran versions of the Dungeon are also the only way to get the Undaunted Monster Masks.

Drummerx04 · November 2016

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

Is it possible to get monster helmets, specifically the one from Cradle of Shadows, on normal? I have been trying to get it for a while and have yet to find a group that can kill the place on veteran, and so far all my attempts on normal have not resulted in it dropping. Just wondering if its worth spamming normal queues for it.

No, monster helms definitely only drop from vet (unless bugged somehow), but there definitely are groups of players that can finish vCoS and some that just breeze right through it. However the number of groups that can carry an individual through vCoS is pretty small, and a group willing to do so would be even more uncommon.

Make sure you are as effective as possible in whatever role it is you do (I'm guessing dps since you want velidreth). As long as you are not the weak link, you should be able to find a reasonably good group to clear it. As long as both dps can do 20k+ (very manageable with the currently available gear), the healer properly supports the group, and the tank knows how to avoid getting destroyed, vCoS is fairly straight forward.

I also highly recommend using some voice communication for vCoS. Communication is key for making any dungeon manageable even with average or mediocre players.

I wish you luck in your pursuit.

Dubhliam · November 2016

Biro123 wrote: »

Wasn't there some talk before 1T hit about them having a 10% drop rate in normal? I guess they changed that before going live.

Before One Tamriel, only veteran dungeons had Monster sets tied to them (currently known as Elden Hollow II, Spindleclutch II, Banished Cells II etc.)
Normal dungeons (f.e. Blackheart Haven, Wayrest Sewers I, City of Ash I etc.) didn't have Monster sets, the sets obtained in those dungeons were added with the release of One Tamriel.

There was a notable exception with SotH dungeons (Cradle of Shadows and Ruins of Mazzatun) which were the only dungeons that had both normal and veteran modes (besides IC dungeons) and dropped helmets on both modes.
Note that White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison also had both normal and veteran modes, but helmets dropped only in veteran modes.

I have heard numerous rumors that people have gotten helmets in "normal" dungeons, but most of the time it turned out they were simply doing "story I" dungeon on veteran mode.
I have yet to see proof of monster helmets drop in normal dungeons after One Tamriel.
Until then, I am firmly stating that there are no helmets in normal modes - which is intended.

lardvader · November 2016

Dubhliam wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Wasn't there some talk before 1T hit about them having a 10% drop rate in normal? I guess they changed that before going live.

I have heard numerous rumors that people have gotten helmets in "normal" dungeons, but most of the time it turned out they were simply doing "story I" dungeon on veteran mode.
I have yet to see proof of monster helmets drop in normal dungeons after One Tamriel.
Until then, I am firmly stating that there are no helmets in normal modes - which is intended.

One of my friends have a Velidreth lvl 10 helmet from downscaled normal mode we did together so it's no myth it could drop in normal pre U12. The droprate was just 10% - now it's changed and is vet only.

I linked the patch notes from U12 update (in another post here) and here it's stated that only vet drop helmets now. Me and some friends had to check after we farmed nCoS some weeks ago. We checked the patch notes and confirmed that it was no point in doing normal anymore.

Dubhliam · November 2016

lardvader wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Wasn't there some talk before 1T hit about them having a 10% drop rate in normal? I guess they changed that before going live.

I have heard numerous rumors that people have gotten helmets in "normal" dungeons, but most of the time it turned out they were simply doing "story I" dungeon on veteran mode.
I have yet to see proof of monster helmets drop in normal dungeons after One Tamriel.
Until then, I am firmly stating that there are no helmets in normal modes - which is intended.

One of my friends have a Velidreth lvl 10 helmet from downscaled normal mode we did together so it's no myth it could drop in normal pre U12. The droprate was just 10% - now it's changed and is vet only.

I linked the patch notes from U12 update (in another post here) and here it's stated that only vet drop helmets now. Me and some friends had to check after we farmed nCoS some weeks ago. We checked the patch notes and confirmed that it was no point in doing normal anymore.

Read my full comment.
Don't answer selectively to one particular paragraph.

lardvader · November 2016

Dubhliam wrote: »

lardvader wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Wasn't there some talk before 1T hit about them having a 10% drop rate in normal? I guess they changed that before going live.

I have heard numerous rumors that people have gotten helmets in "normal" dungeons, but most of the time it turned out they were simply doing "story I" dungeon on veteran mode.
I have yet to see proof of monster helmets drop in normal dungeons after One Tamriel.
Until then, I am firmly stating that there are no helmets in normal modes - which is intended.

One of my friends have a Velidreth lvl 10 helmet from downscaled normal mode we did together so it's no myth it could drop in normal pre U12. The droprate was just 10% - now it's changed and is vet only.

I linked the patch notes from U12 update (in another post here) and here it's stated that only vet drop helmets now. Me and some friends had to check after we farmed nCoS some weeks ago. We checked the patch notes and confirmed that it was no point in doing normal anymore.

Read my full comment.
Don't answer selectively to one particular paragraph.

Sorry I skimmed the first part - however I commented also to confirm that helmet don't drop from normal at all after U12 as ZoS them self have stated. If they did in any of the old normal ones they must have due to bugs.

Bobby_V_Rockit · November 2016

Got velidreth first run on normal. Havent ever done vet mode

DRXHarbinger · November 2016

I have a level 48 warden helm. Found a glitch to do dungeons on normal scale but it was set to vet so you could easily farm shackles..got tons of warden helms lol.

DurzoBlint13 · November 2016

before 1T the 2 SoH dungeons dropped masks in normal rarely. After 1T....? IDK I have not bothered to run those dungeons since the update because I have the sets and helms I wanted from them. I assumed it was just those 2 dungeons that dropped helms on normal. But then I do not do many normal dungeons so I can not say for sure
Regardless, masks are guaranteed on vet and vet versions are easy enough to do, so why run normal for a mere CHANCE at a helm? Why would you want or need a monster helm on an under-leveled (<cp160) toon?

QuebraRegra · December 2017

Kirameku wrote: »

Those who can't beat vet dungeon don't deserve monster helm

ok, so then just farm AP in buff campaigns and buy them... that's some logic LOL

Danksta · December 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Kirameku wrote: »

Those who can't beat vet dungeon don't deserve monster helm

ok, so then just farm AP in buff campaigns and buy them... that's some logic LOL

That was totally worth necroing a thread from over a year ago...

Asmael · December 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Kirameku wrote: »

Those who can't beat vet dungeon don't deserve monster helm

ok, so then just farm AP in buff campaigns and buy them... that's some logic LOL

ok, so perhaps you could check the last posting date before attemptin' necromancy.

*Draugr sounds*

FearlessOne_2014 · December 2017

Carl-lan wrote: »

They only drop in Vet. Think about it. If it dropped in normal why would anyone do Vet? Pledges for example:

Normal = 1 key
Vet = 1 key + monster helm
Vet Hard Mode = 2 keys + monster helm

If they dropped in normal no one would ever do vet pledges. You have to be incentivised and rewarded in some way.

I've already stopped doing vet pledges since my group of friends quit this game and I haven't been able to replace them. NB4 snide remarks... I know I'm a old school entity that most people could not stomach for long. However those who do, absolutely enjoy my company. "Cough anyways Cough"

Vet pledges too much of a pain to do with Randos for me to waste time on a chance to get a complete that is 99% not going to happen. Because randos can't be taught how to complete the mechanics correctly. And type of attempt at trying to kindly and softly guide them to a complete. Is met with the utmost disrespect and complete disregard for trying to learn. Thus I much rather now think that the monster helms, that I currently don't have are figments of my imaginations running rampant.

Log on look at some of my characters and marvel at their majestic greatness, then log off to do other things.

In all seriousness through it all. I'm a firm believer that if you can't go politicking and or learn how to do the vet content. Then you don't deserve to get the rewards from them. Vet content rewards are only there for those higher echelon players who can push themselves, both socially and mechanically within the game. All others should just watch and get bent over by these awesomely popular guys. I swear guys this is how I think..... Scouts honor! cough cough....