REMOVED FROM GROUP FOR USING FOCUSED AIM. (LOL)

Kalebron · October 2016

Chrysa1is wrote: »

I literally started the Banished Cells II Pledge. And I got asked to stop spamming the bow skill Focused Aim, and just for the record. I don't stand there using the move, I use other moves as well. After beating Maw of the Infernal. I got told to stop using it, then one member passed the crown to the guy complaining and I got removed from the group.

Basically, I got removed for using a move someone else didn't like because I was apparently doing bad dps.

Has it really gotten to the stage where you get told how to play the game and what skills you can use? Almost like a ''My way, or the highway'' thing.

What are your thoughts on this?

My thoughts are this. Other people need to have L2P with other people of any skill level now more than ever with the new OneTamriel patch. There are going to be many people of different degrees that may or may not have an understanding of game mechanics or getting the max dps out of their toon. It's like this, if you are wanting to get finished with a dungeon is lightning speed time, then don't use the group finger. Problem solved. I do not agree with them booting you over a silly skill choice. If their DPS was high enough, they would have not had any problems in the first place with you using focused aim or not. Maybe there were also wanting to get their buddy in who arrived late to the party. Point is, don't take it personally, it happens. If you feel you could do more damage, then do a little research on how to increase your dps. My group would have never booted you unless you were mean.

SodanTok · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Maybe if they made the Marksman sets bonus work against enemies instead of just "players" we might see some better numbers with a bow. You could run Hawk's eye + Marksman then for a 13% damage increase of bow abilities.
Like wtf was going through their minds in the meeting room when designing this set "Guys, make sure Marksman can be utilised in PVP only. We don't want bow DPS getting out of control in trials and dungeons!"

Before changing the hawk eye passive on bow, they said (not citing, barely remember) that bows are a bit weaker. So with that change, bow in DPS in on par with other builds now. Which is believable if you consider average DPS, when every noob and his grandma know how bad bow is and stay away with it, only those that can do stuff with it properly remain.
So they probably think its fine the way it is and dont want to buff it above average.

covenant_merchant · October 2016

You can get good DPS with a bow in PvE. Well not as good as melee, but still it's more than enough to do non DLC dungeons.

Thing is, a good DD using focused aim will be put in the same bracket as all the scru.. *hum* less experienced players snipe spamming the boss. I know I had quite a few dungeon runs with DDs using bow, and while some of them were more than decent in spite of my initial doubts, quite a lot were just clueless and thought that every single boss or trashwave attack would kill them. I mean yes, in many dungeons being melee is riskier, but on trashwaves... really -_-

Oh and I don't know how about you, but I keep seeing DDs in PvE with Lethal Arrow spam + Engine Guardian

Past that initial moment of "awwwww" when the characters in question are adorable Khajiits, it just screams inexperience and gives a bad image to every other archer.

Sad to hear about your run, but Maw of the Infernal is not a melee-friendly boss. Neither is the first mini boss of BC II if you have a bad healer (or any boss doing lines of fire on the ground in general). So I don't see why your group got triggered by that boss in particular xD

Asardes · October 2016

I only use that skill on 2 bosses on the game: Engine Guardian (red phase) and Planar Inhibitor (blue phase). It can be good as an opener, because it debuffs, but bow is most useful for poison injection, acid spray and endless hail DoTs.

Wolfhammer · October 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Poison Injection and Endless Hail... that's all you need

Both good dungeon skills IMO but I always fly in with DW daggers and Hurricane running after an endless or two to try and do some decent damage before follwing up with Poison Injection when target lower health..

I'm finding my Bow/DW stamsorc to be fairly tasty so far but I am pre 50 still...

Seido_Tensei_ · October 2016

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

OP...play however you like. Yes, knobs like the one who kicked you and others here on the forums will make subjective claims like "it's bad" or "you're bad" or "L2P" or "I eat rat poison cause I cant read tha box!"

Ignore them and do your thing. Find nicer players who don't treat dungeon achievements as though you can put them on your resume. Grouping with nice people will make a world of difference in your gaming enjoyment.

Oh, and next time someone tells you how to play, temporarily change your play style to suit their needs until you get to the last boss, then purposefully screw up whatever mechanic is required to get the double key. Cause whiny leets deserve to have their time wasted too.

@FortheloveofKrist This is the reason people with sub optimal rotations will get booted without a second thought. Not only that, but the group can tell when a gold key requirement has been broken and will probably wipe. Twice and that is grounds on its own for you to get kicked if someone has offered to explain the mechanics and you don't listen.

People who believe that "play how I want" allows you to inconvenience the group for the sake of your "play style" are the most elitist and cancerous players of all. Is it so much to ask to just slot a proven rotation to clear content in a limited context (like a dungeon or trial) then you can switch your skills and play however you would like after the content in complete.

@FortheloveofKrist you call the players asking for specific / optimized rotations as elitist and deserve to have their time wasted.... I think thats the point, players who play with sub optimal builds and rotations will take longer to clear more difficult content, I don't have time for you to play as you like. I have a limited 2-3 hour window to complete content and I am not going to spend 45 mins in vCoA because you like focused aim....smh. You can have all of those players.

Wolfhammer · October 2016

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

Dungeons should really be balanced around 3 DPS and not just 2.

Also, allowing group DPS meters will sort this sort of crap out.

Actually I think it will make things worse....

Asardes · October 2016

Try VRoM hard mode if you like dungeons where you should run 3 DDs

QuebraRegra · October 2016

Chrysa1is wrote: »

I literally started the Banished Cells II Pledge. And I got asked to stop spamming the bow skill Focused Aim, and just for the record. I don't stand there using the move, I use other moves as well. After beating Maw of the Infernal. I got told to stop using it, then one member passed the crown to the guy complaining and I got removed from the group.

Basically, I got removed for using a move someone else didn't like because I was apparently doing bad dps.

Has it really gotten to the stage where you get told how to play the game and what skills you can use? Almost like a ''My way, or the highway'' thing.

What are your thoughts on this?

"PLAY THE META OF GTFO!!!!! "

LOL! Seriously, this is a great example of everything that's wrong with the game (not you, them).

Mephilis78 · October 2016

mateoz wrote: »

Focus aim in 4 mans group content is really bad.
Players that use it tend to stay far back from their group witch make the healer job harder or impossible.
It is a single target skill and few encounter are pure single target in pledges.
It has a 2 sec induction for a 12-16k hit that equal 6-8k dps

most DPS reach about 20-25k the best 1% can get 50k+ DPS

20k do I have get to max cp before I can pull that, and I haven't seen that many people pulling that either. I know of no skills that put out that much damage. We're talking one second, one might be able to get two or three skills off in that time, but not really unless you charge a heavy and release it at the same time as a skill.

Asardes · October 2016

There's in deed no single skill that can hit for 20K every second. You can spam WB and see it sometimes crits for 24K, but it takes 2 seconds to wind up. That's why people who actually understand this game stack multiple DoTs, use proc sets and use their burst DPS skills in such a way that they maximize damage done while sustaining resources ex. not refreshing the DoTs too often.

Seido_Tensei_ · October 2016

Mephilis78 wrote: »

20k do I have get to max cp before I can pull that, and I haven't seen that many people pulling that either. I know of no skills that put out that much damage. We're talking one second, one might be able to get two or three skills off in that time, but not really unless you charge a heavy and release it at the same time as a skill.

@Mephilis78 DPS stands for Damage Per Second = The total damage of all your attacks in a 1 second interval

It does not mean that DPS is based off of one attack, or even animation canceling 2 or 3 attacks.

Total DPS factors in things like DoTs and armor procs (Velidreth / Skoria).

When people talk about DPS it includes your total skill rotation. If you do not know what a DPS skill rotation is there are plenty of videos that demonstrate the process.

@Mephilis78 not to pick on you at all, but it is this kind of knowledge gap that makes it difficult to pug for dungeons / trials. Many people do not have the same depth of knowledge about the game or the mechanics. Explaining these things can take a long time depending on the person. I am glad you asked the question, there needs to be more knowledge resources for new players. Youtubers, Alcasts page are a good start even if I don't always agree with their message or approach.

Dread_Viking · October 2016

bow is bad in pve low dmg

Mephilis78 · October 2016

Seido_Tensei_ wrote: »

Mephilis78 wrote: »

20k do I have get to max cp before I can pull that, and I haven't seen that many people pulling that either. I know of no skills that put out that much damage. We're talking one second, one might be able to get two or three skills off in that time, but not really unless you charge a heavy and release it at the same time as a skill.

@Mephilis78 DPS stands for Damage Per Second = The total damage of all your attacks in a 1 second interval

It does not mean that DPS is based off of one attack, or even animation canceling 2 or 3 attacks.

Total DPS factors in things like DoTs and armor procs (Velidreth / Skoria).

When people talk about DPS it includes your total skill rotation. If you do not know what a DPS skill rotation is there are plenty of videos that demonstrate the process.

@Mephilis78 not to pick on you at all, but it is this kind of knowledge gap that makes it difficult to pug for dungeons / trials. Many people do not have the same depth of knowledge about the game or the mechanics. Explaining these things can take a long time depending on the person. I am glad you asked the question, there needs to be more knowledge resources for new players. Youtubers, Alcasts page are a good start even if I don't always agree with their message or approach.

So basically your gonna end up with a bunch of dots and debuffs and one actual attack (if even that). I know sorc has lots of dot, but dot is always low damage at a one second interval. 20k is a lot of damage so (i'm 175cp) yeah, basically there is one way to play the game otherwise your SOL. Well I guess maybe this is why I hate traditional MMOs, and dungeons in this game.

RazorCaltrops · October 2016

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Chrysa1is wrote: »

I literally started the Banished Cells II Pledge. And I got asked to stop spamming the bow skill Focused Aim, and just for the record. I don't stand there using the move, I use other moves as well. After beating Maw of the Infernal. I got told to stop using it, then one member passed the crown to the guy complaining and I got removed from the group.

Basically, I got removed for using a move someone else didn't like because I was apparently doing bad dps.

Has it really gotten to the stage where you get told how to play the game and what skills you can use? Almost like a ''My way, or the highway'' thing.

What are your thoughts on this?

"NO ONE CARES WHEN YOU PLAY WITH YOUR FRIENDS, BUT ADAPT YOURSELF WHEN YOU PUG OR GTFO!!!!! "

LOL! Seriously, this is a great example of everything that's wrong with the game (play the way you want).

Here, fixed that for you.

bowmanz607 · October 2016

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Chrysa1is wrote: »

I literally started the Banished Cells II Pledge. And I got asked to stop spamming the bow skill Focused Aim, and just for the record. I don't stand there using the move, I use other moves as well. After beating Maw of the Infernal. I got told to stop using it, then one member passed the crown to the guy complaining and I got removed from the group.

Basically, I got removed for using a move someone else didn't like because I was apparently doing bad dps.

Has it really gotten to the stage where you get told how to play the game and what skills you can use? Almost like a ''My way, or the highway'' thing.

What are your thoughts on this?

"PLAY THE META OF GTFO!!!!! "

LOL! Seriously, this is a great example of everything that's wrong with the game (not you, them).

I disagree. It is an example of how different people approach playing the game differently. Elite players want to min max while casuals look for fun while doing well.

It is not something that is wrong with the game. It is merely preference on how to play the game. To them players like this is what is wrong with game. In fact, being able to do both is what is great.

FortheloveofKrist · October 2016

Seido_Tensei_ wrote: »

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

OP...play however you like. Yes, knobs like the one who kicked you and others here on the forums will make subjective claims like "it's bad" or "you're bad" or "L2P" or "I eat rat poison cause I cant read tha box!"

Ignore them and do your thing. Find nicer players who don't treat dungeon achievements as though you can put them on your resume. Grouping with nice people will make a world of difference in your gaming enjoyment.

Oh, and next time someone tells you how to play, temporarily change your play style to suit their needs until you get to the last boss, then purposefully screw up whatever mechanic is required to get the double key. Cause whiny leets deserve to have their time wasted too.

@FortheloveofKrist This is the reason people with sub optimal rotations will get booted without a second thought. Not only that, but the group can tell when a gold key requirement has been broken and will probably wipe. Twice and that is grounds on its own for you to get kicked if someone has offered to explain the mechanics and you don't listen.

People who believe that "play how I want" allows you to inconvenience the group for the sake of your "play style" are the most elitist and cancerous players of all. Is it so much to ask to just slot a proven rotation to clear content in a limited context (like a dungeon or trial) then you can switch your skills and play however you would like after the content in complete.

@FortheloveofKrist you call the players asking for specific / optimized rotations as elitist and deserve to have their time wasted.... I think thats the point, players who play with sub optimal builds and rotations will take longer to clear more difficult content, I don't have time for you to play as you like. I have a limited 2-3 hour window to complete content and I am not going to spend 45 mins in vCoA because you like focused aim....smh. You can have all of those players.

@Seido_Tensei_

I will gladly play with those players before I play with people who treat the game like it's a race against time. You enjoy the game the way you want to, and I'll enjoy it the way I want to. So you keep kicking casuals because they don't pull enough DPS or because they aren't good enough, and I'll keep kicking leets because they can't just be patient and polite.

Leets kick people left and right because they assume entitlement. Casuals, including the groups I play with, rarely kick someone when it's the other way around unless they are really arrogant and rude. They usually quit on their own.

It's an MMO. So if you think people should only play a certain way, then only group with friends. Don't join a PUG. Your types do not own a monopoly on dungeon play style.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

Out of curiocity, anyone wanna throw the nut trying to be nonconventional a DK DPS build with twohanded?

This is a serious request btw.

AcesHighJPG · November 2016

ALOT of comments about this lol. I usually run bow and have probably been kicked from groups for it now that I have read this. I agree that it is not the most DPS, I dont think I have my build setup right either, I'm a complete scrub at these type of games. but as for the person that kicked you, the group should have at least explained why they didn't like the spamming of Focus Aim. I usually spam the Barrage that immobilizes a group of enemies, or just run in with my daggers.
I have thought of trying to Start a Bowman Guild but haven't noticed how they are so hated lol so I don't think too many would be down for that. play how you want over all though, I'll take some kicks and still run bow all day

AzuraKin · November 2016

sounds to me you were doing baaaad dps. i mean seriously i can run a vet dungeon with any skill i want and i wont be removed. why? because even when i training skills and only pull low dps its still better than half the dps in the game. plus i dont die easy. i can run vet dungeons at 10k health no issues. why cause i know the mechanics, i know how to avoid damage, when to block ect. and that is what peeps wanna see. peeps dont like it when someone dies all the time and they do crap deeps.