...why not just remove levels all together at this point?

But only as long as BoP gear pieces are still tradeable (2 hours I think?). Just to avoid situations where pre-vet or low cp players are getting kicked from CoA or other dungeons that drop useful sets.
And after those 2 hours, the item could simply scale to its owner's level.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

But only as long as BoP gear pieces are still tradeable (2 hours I think?). Just to avoid situations where pre-vet or low cp players are getting kicked from CoA or other dungeons that drop useful sets.
And after those 2 hours, the item could simply scale to its owner's level.

I was thinking more along the lines that the gear scales to whoever wears it so you can bank it and let other characters in your account use it at their level. BOP gear would be level "neutral" until someone wears it since that binds it anyway.

Afraid I have to vote no because then you create a situation where people get a set they like then do dolmans or some kind of grinding without experiencing the content. Now to me, the content is the selling point as I don't see why bother with a game that just is about mechanics and not content. People would basically find a game with mechanics they like then grind to end game (which seems to always suggest PvP) with whatever set they are wearing.

What I would like is once you get a complete set, you are rewarded with a costume. That way, whatever look you want you can have while keeping you looking for certain pieces that give you the best outcome. Now if its not looks that bother you, I'm afraid I don't see the problem wearing some scattered set if that's your choice. Part of the 'game' is that hunt for certain bracers or a chest piece. Wouldn't it be boring to have the same clothes you got in beginner zones be the only thing you ever wear again? Wouldn't it be just as well to make every gear drop the exact same thing you just swap out as you level. Same stats, same look... just bland rewards.

As just a few CP from 160, I know that you do go through lots of gear and just as you're about to complete a set, you out level that first piece of the set you got just a few days ago. Having it all the same makes gear a bit pointless. That's almost (not quite) like just doing away with it. There are no gear drops. You just level up and gain armor stats. They become like attributes that you just raise as you wish. That's just not sounding that interesting to me.

I do see your point but I just don't think its something that should happen. It takes away the search. And you know what they say, its not the destination but the journey. So, they shouldn't do away with that journey in my opinion.

Would certainly be more like a typical Elder Scrolls game to not have gear you aren't good enough to use. I had really hoped they would scale stuff down to level 50 when they removed veteran levels but no, champion points just replaced veteran levels.. It was a bit disappointing to me.

The game is way too gear based in my opinion.

Remove CP gear levels but keep 1-49

I'd be all for getting rid of the gear levels, but keeping the existing material tiers. So you start with Iron. Not, level 1 iron, or level 4 iron, but just, Iron weapons. Then when you hit level 16, steel starts dropping. You know, like a normal Elder Scrolls game.

And, yes, a "you must be this tall to ride this ride" level prereq on items isn't out of the question. But, just do away with the entire 16 different levels of iron. It would keep items you pick up relevant longer while leveling.

Nestor wrote: »

Elder Scrolls Games have always been a "Take your time, smell the flowers, go see what is in that cave over there that has nothing to do with the quest" kind of game. People are still playing Morrowind and have not finished the Main Quest in that game. People take their time in this world.

It is obvious that ESO was made in the same vein, but shoved into an MMO universe where it's all about the end game so get me there as quickly as possible. I spent more than a year before I got my first character to max rank (back then it was VR12 and this was about 3 or 4 months after we got VR12 as the max rank. I am not alone in this regard. This game can be savored and one can putter around in it for months and not get anything accomplished. So, the fact that it would take weeks to get a full gear set from dolmen drops was not really a big deal for traditional TES players.

Now, with One Tamriel, 1 to 50 is really the Tutorial, CP10 to CP160 is the starter area and post 160 is now the game. Problem is, one can still spend a ton of time, within reason and not get to CP160. And, this is only for the first character. Once a character hits CP160, any character that gets past the Tutorial, as I describe it, is at End Game.

So, the question really is, do we want the game changed to accommodate the first character? And, how would these changes affect Alts?

I play pretty well like you and I also took my sweet time getting my first character to VR14... after VR14 had been around for a while. Even now, after playing it since release, I "only" have 408 CP.

I'm just trying to wrap my head around the One Tamriel changes and their implications. With the bolstering if you need it everywhere now, gear levels just feel "off" to me.

Iselin wrote: »

There are many overland and dungeon sets that are very desirable now. It's kind of a bummer to complete a set only to outgrow it in hours and having a harder time getting that set again unless you stay in the zone where you got it grinding dolmens, chests and bosses until you get it in a higher level version.

Jep

Not only you outgrow that set...
IF you have savored the content of that area, you have also done all the quests in that area that give you the unique set items that sometimes have traits you can never get anymore at CP 160.
The most practical solution I see is to give your crafter the possibility to upgrade the set item to the level you want (and the crafter is allowed to).
This would give Crafting again more meaning in the abundancy of dropped sets.

The structural consequence of this feature would also be that if...if... ZOS would decide to introduce the CP 180 gear level or higher, we would be able to upgrade the level as well to that new cap.
Grinding again for all the hundreds of sets we have now, would be terrible.

I don't know how I feel. I do hate the thought of all 12 of my Toons needing new gear when the cap increases. Hmm....

Removing gear lvl completely would make it pointless to have more than one materials (although we could get used to that?).
Instead would be handy if crafters could upgrade the gear lvl.
That way we don't have to farm completely new gear either when ZOS one day increases gear lvl cap.

hrothbern wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

There are many overland and dungeon sets that are very desirable now. It's kind of a bummer to complete a set only to outgrow it in hours and having a harder time getting that set again unless you stay in the zone where you got it grinding dolmens, chests and bosses until you get it in a higher level version.

Jep

Not only you outgrow that set...
IF you have savored the content of that area, you have also done all the quests in that area that give you the unique set items that sometimes have traits you can never get anymore at CP 160.
The most practical solution I see is to give your crafter the possibility to upgrade the set item to the level you want (and the crafter is allowed to).
This would give Crafting again more meaning in the abundancy of dropped sets.

The structural consequence of this feature would also be that if...if... ZOS would decide to introduce the CP 180 gear level or higher, we would be able to upgrade the level as well to that new cap.
Grinding again for all the hundreds of sets we have now, would be terrible.

I was about to say the same thing as this guy. Grievous Ward is too awesome to replace!

Get get rid of the sets and go back to crafting as the main source of making gear. Crafters spend so much time and money to learn all the traits and on top of that learning all the styles as well. Drop sets are just silly to use. Crafting should be number one and drop sets as number two. Do not get me started on crown creates and how ZOS is nerfing crafting that way as well, but besides drop sets. STOP NERFING CRAFTING, ZOS!

Remove all gear level, don't make it level 160 or any other level. Just have it appropriate to your character.

The other issue is, we have a whole entire range of Materials, and more importantly Artwork in Armor and Weapon Styles that hardly anyone ever gets to see anymore. As I leveled my characters I would lament going to upper levels and the Armor and Weapons quite frankly did not improve in looks. Plus, we get those weird hippy flappy things up near L50 somewhere. All this effort of the devs is basically wasted.

No matter what happens to gear levels, we need to be able to use any mat for any level gear. And, have mats spawn say per zone or two. Or have a zone be mostly one mat and a mix of others. But we need diversity of gear that is not covered by Motifs. Plus, Ruby mats and dyes do not work together all that well.