Make them stunnable too please, thanks!

Seriously though, I guess its to give some challenge because with a good tank, the tauntable bosses are rather easy. Bosses are immune to other stuff like stun, so why not taunt?

with that train of thought my "backwards logic" implies the following:

if bosses cannot be taunted then why should a tank even bother putting the skill on the bar?

come to think of it, if you can't taunt them, then do you need a tank?

I've never understood the concept of invulnerability when it comes to bosses. For the last 25 years I've been convinced that it's a downright stupid concept. I also find it curious that developers KEEP DOING THAT - making bosses invulnerable to things. There are other ways to do difficulty. It's time to f'ng trash this antiquated bs.

Necrelios wrote: »

What about that last boss in Tempest Island? Seems like she just randomly attacks people with no way for the tank to hold agro. She likes to go after the healer too.

That's a pretty straight forward mechanic though.
When she does her AoE, go out of it, after that walk up close to her. She won't gap close a random target then.

Alucardo wrote: »

When people say your tank sucks because they get killed by an untauntable boss. Agreed, please fix it. Every boss should be tauntable, otherwise a tank is just decoration.

This game has tried to break from the traditional trinity from the beginning. Healers have always had to do more than heal. Tanks have always had to do more than make boss monsters hate them most of all.

PvE has become more a puzzle game than an outright fight anyway. Sooner and sooner in the lifecycle of an MMO style online game the need to satisfy the demand for individual player progression and gear progression, along with the persistent demand by player to have do-it-all character classes, has made the puzzle approach necessary.

It's just one of the reasons why the MMO genre of online game has grown so stale, alas.

I have to think outside the box, expand my build's capabilities, and not every dungeon is exactly the same? This is absolutely horrible! What was Zenimax thinking by making the bosses all different and adding a dynamic to the game to keep it interesting. Worst day EVAR!!!

As a tank, I am SO TIRED of getting yelled at in PUGs because of this. It happens every time on the Quintus fight and again on the Guardian Council. "Taunt the boss!" "Boss is on me!" "Why am I tanking when I'm a DPS?" "Tank sucks!" "Do you even know what a taunt is?" I try to explain that those bosses ignore taunts, and nobody believes me. It's gotten to the point that I refuse to run Volenfell as a tank anymore. The abuse and stupidity I have to deal with is not worth two keys.

dps don't make builds to off tank they focus on damage. How are you going to make dps races with everyone gimped and the bosses have truckloads of hp? It's not like tanks can do much without taunt, it gives us nothing to do during.

I just 4 dps all the dungeon nowdays anyway, it's just faster.

Afafrenferr wrote: »

You guys do know those mechanics are intended right? Like.... they wanted them to be untauntable? I think it was an attempt to kinda thin out the glass cannon herd. Seriously, if you can dodge roll, and break free every once in a while on the ice chick in dire frost, you shouldn't have much of a problem. The ambush attack in wayrest is blockable (can be bound to any button you like, press it once in a while, you'll be surprised at it's effectiveness). You can't just expect your tank to stand every single boss still while you just unload on them.... that's so bland and boring. Work as a fluid group, and you'll smash content!

TL;DR
Learn to do things a bit differently

I agree.

I want more dynamic fights. I want mobs to change their tactics depending on the changes in the situation. I want my attention to be on watching for a mob or boss to do something unexpected, rather than on pushing the same pattern of buttons over and over.

I want a fight that feels difficult because the boss is a bit unpredictable and kept me on the edge of my seat. I do not want a fight that feels difficult because I've been running that rotation of buttons for 5 minutes straight and am getting a cramp.

Edit: this means, if I get what I want then boss health numbers can go way way down, and all one-shot-kill attacks can go away.

Glurin wrote: »

Perhaps the general idea here is to help break up the Holy Trinity of RPGs. No more building solely for tanking, healing, and DPS, cause that boss don't care if the "tank" insulted his mama. Glass cannons will be shattered, healers will be squished, and tanks will be left to fend for themselves until they are beaten into submission.

Honestly I wish there was a little more content that punished min/max sheep like this in every other MMO.

So if you like fights that make the tank role useless, how would you feel about fights that make the healer role useless? Maybe a mechanic where during the fight no healing is possible, forcing the healer to switch entirely to DPS for that fight.

Or how about fights that make the DPS role useless? Maybe the boss has an unbreakable damage shield for the entire fight, and the only way to beat him is for the tank to drag him to places where he (and everyone else) starts taking environmental damage through the shield, so you have to out-heal the fight to win it, without actually doing any DPS.

UrQuan wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Perhaps the general idea here is to help break up the Holy Trinity of RPGs. No more building solely for tanking, healing, and DPS, cause that boss don't care if the "tank" insulted his mama. Glass cannons will be shattered, healers will be squished, and tanks will be left to fend for themselves until they are beaten into submission.

Honestly I wish there was a little more content that punished min/max sheep like this in every other MMO.

So if you like fights that make the tank role useless, how would you feel about fights that make the healer role useless? Maybe a mechanic where during the fight no healing is possible, forcing the healer to switch entirely to DPS for that fight.

Or how about fights that make the DPS role useless? Maybe the boss has an unbreakable damage shield for the entire fight, and the only way to beat him is for the tank to drag him to places where he (and everyone else) starts taking environmental damage through the shield, so you have to out-heal the fight to win it, without actually doing any DPS.

You tried TSW? They actually do have a few fights quite similar to that.

Not quite as direct as you make it sound, but still similar.

To avoid confusion when the boss is untauntable, perhaps there should be an onscreen message that says 'your control of this situation is being suppressed' or something.

Similar to the Kvatch Arena stealth-suppression message.

That'd at least stop some of the ignorant anti-tank chat-flak putting people off running certain dungeons.

bellanca6561n wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Perhaps the general idea here is to help break up the Holy Trinity of RPGs. No more building solely for tanking, healing, and DPS, cause that boss don't care if the "tank" insulted his mama. Glass cannons will be shattered, healers will be squished, and tanks will be left to fend for themselves until they are beaten into submission.

Honestly I wish there was a little more content that punished min/max sheep like this in every other MMO.

So if you like fights that make the tank role useless, how would you feel about fights that make the healer role useless? Maybe a mechanic where during the fight no healing is possible, forcing the healer to switch entirely to DPS for that fight.

Or how about fights that make the DPS role useless? Maybe the boss has an unbreakable damage shield for the entire fight, and the only way to beat him is for the tank to drag him to places where he (and everyone else) starts taking environmental damage through the shield, so you have to out-heal the fight to win it, without actually doing any DPS.

Excellent point as always.

You can't move beyond the trinity simply by breaking it.

Actually, I'm starting to think that the idea of the boss who you can only hurt with environmental damage could be done in a way that would make it a really interesting fight that would be engaging for all roles.

Say it's a fight in a dwemer ruin (or maybe somewhere in the Clockwork City), and the only way to hurt the boss is to pull him into a blast furnace area where he and the tank (or whoever pulled him in there) will be trapped until the furnace runs out of fuel. The furnace will do a certain amount of damage to his health without affecting his unbreakable damage shield before it runs out of fuel. The tank has to survive during that time, with the aid of heals from the healer (who should stay just outside the blast furnace, but can heal into it). If the tank dies, the boss will stay in there taking damage until the fuel is used up, at which point he'll come out to try to kill the other players, and someone will have to go in to res the tank.

Meanwhile, the DPS are off fighting a swarm of adds in the furnace's fuel chamber who are trying to cut off the fuel supply to the furnace. If they don't burn them down fast enough, then the fuel gets cut off early, so the boss takes less damage. Maybe the DPS had to fight through adds in a control room to start the furnace in the first place.

Once the furnace's fuel supply is cut off, the tank has to drag the boss to a different blast furnace where the process begins again. Say there are 4 furnaces, and if the adds don't prematurely cut off the fuel supply, each furnace will burn down 25% of the boss' health bar. If the adds do prematurely cut off the fuel supply to one or more furnaces, then an additional mechanic comes into play where the DPS have to fight through a different group of adds to activate a different control room mechanism that will activate neutral adds (I'm thinking dwemer worker spiders) who will start the fueling process of the furnaces again. Meanwhile, they need to fight the adds controlled by the boss who are trying to kill all of the neutral adds before they do the appropriate repairs & work to get the furnaces going again.

Making some bosses untauntable is fine as long as they are not doing casual 20k+ hits. Like Quintus doing 3-4 heavy attacks in a row killing the healer/dps since they have no stamina left after the previous dodge rolls. Many bosses have occasional attacks against other players but those are non-lethal or avoidable.

But also remember tank =/= taunt. Lot of support can be done by tanks for these untauntable boss fights still.