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Tank: "It's not my job to debuff." Yeah, right...
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✭SienneYviete wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »ill be frank, i am working on a max health dk tank build, still need a few pieces before i can test it, but the goal that i am shooting for is not to merely tank a boss, but also eliminate need for a healer, wont go into the details i am focused on, but if it works it will be a nice build and a little different then my current tank meta in which i just tank everything (rotate targets as fight progresses to keep as many on me as i can) whereas if this build works like i plan on it, ill only be tanking the high damage hitters to avoid damage from dying. should work if it doenst drain my magicka too quickly.
The only clas who can achieve this is Templar. Dk can go VERRY close but with regen build. You can still try but i doubt it.
(dk tank since early access)
And for all moaners out there. My job is to hold agro, to be able to survive if healer need to outheal gpr, or is away, and to position boss so YOU can be able to do dps. If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong. You join as dps right ?
THEN DO ALL POSIBLE TO DID MAX DPS AND STOP MOANING FOR SM1 ELSE TO BOOST YOU, LAZZY P**CKS!
And please dont die in aoe / and then blame healer or tank for no heal or agro.../
scrubs
You're a bad tank and you should feel bad. I can do the lazy job you can do on a light armor wearing magblade and pull high dps at the same time and heal myself, if you're gonna man up and be an actual tank in this game then learn to actually do your role properly, smh at some of the bads in this thread that have zero clue on what a tank actually does.
I play EU EP /DE DK/ My name toon is Ashen Shugar and I`m tank since early acces and so far no one /in game/ call me i`m bad (tank or dps) mostly get yawns for healer because he dont even need to heal me so he just dps or slack. If you think tank job is lazzy then i just pity you. I can feel all rolle, i just telling you is not my job to boost your dps. And unlike you i have all speed runs achievments at the date they released them. As a bad tank. Go bck to game now and learn to play.Edited by Runkorko on November 12, 2016 9:11AM1 -
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✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »SienneYviete wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »ill be frank, i am working on a max health dk tank build, still need a few pieces before i can test it, but the goal that i am shooting for is not to merely tank a boss, but also eliminate need for a healer, wont go into the details i am focused on, but if it works it will be a nice build and a little different then my current tank meta in which i just tank everything (rotate targets as fight progresses to keep as many on me as i can) whereas if this build works like i plan on it, ill only be tanking the high damage hitters to avoid damage from dying. should work if it doenst drain my magicka too quickly.
The only clas who can achieve this is Templar. Dk can go VERRY close but with regen build. You can still try but i doubt it.
(dk tank since early access)
And for all moaners out there. My job is to hold agro, to be able to survive if healer need to outheal gpr, or is away, and to position boss so YOU can be able to do dps. If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong. You join as dps right ?
THEN DO ALL POSIBLE TO DID MAX DPS AND STOP MOANING FOR SM1 ELSE TO BOOST YOU, LAZZY P**CKS!
And please dont die in aoe / and then blame healer or tank for no heal or agro.../
scrubs
You're a bad tank and you should feel bad. I can do the lazy job you can do on a light armor wearing magblade and pull high dps at the same time and heal myself, if you're gonna man up and be an actual tank in this game then learn to actually do your role properly, smh at some of the bads in this thread that have zero clue on what a tank actually does.
I play EU EP /DE DK/ My name toon is Ashen Shugar and I`m tank since early acces and so far no one /in game/ call me i`m bad (tank or dps) mostly get yawns for healer because he dont even need to heal me so he just dps or slack. If you think tank job is lazzy then i just pity you. I can feel all rolle, i just telling you is not my job to boost your dps. And unlike you i have all speed runs achievments at the date they released them. As a bad tank. Go bck to game now and learn to play.
You obviously don't tank trials because if you did any half competent trials group would boot your a$$ out of group in an instant and lol the tank that stands and holds block doing nothing else is telling me to learn to play GTFO of here with that, there is not a vet trial or dungeon I have not tanked/dpsed or healed and judging by your response all you do is pug tank and blow smoke up your own a$$ because you know how to use a taunt and hold down your rmb.
Edited by SienneYviete on November 12, 2016 9:26AMDelta
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✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »ill be frank, i am working on a max health dk tank build, still need a few pieces before i can test it, but the goal that i am shooting for is not to merely tank a boss, but also eliminate need for a healer, wont go into the details i am focused on, but if it works it will be a nice build and a little different then my current tank meta in which i just tank everything (rotate targets as fight progresses to keep as many on me as i can) whereas if this build works like i plan on it, ill only be tanking the high damage hitters to avoid damage from dying. should work if it doenst drain my magicka too quickly.
The only clas who can achieve this is Templar. Dk can go VERRY close but with regen build. You can still try but i doubt it.
(dk tank since early access)
And for all moaners out there. My job is to hold agro, to be able to survive if healer need to outheal gpr, or is away, and to position boss so YOU can be able to do dps. If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong. You join as dps right ?
THEN DO ALL POSIBLE TO DID MAX DPS AND STOP MOANING FOR SM1 ELSE TO BOOST YOU, LAZZY P**CKS!
And please dont die in aoe / and then blame healer or tank for no heal or agro.../
scrubs
If you are directly talking to the OP, he was the healer, not a DD.
And second, 990 Physical Resistance won't do you much good. This will give you 1,5% less damage taken. Really not necessary. If you think you can't live without that buff, you are a terrible tank.
5280 Spell Penetration will however raise the DPS of ALL your magicka members by around 10% (correct me if I'm wrong). That's like a second Sharpened trait.
If you can't see the logic in this choice, then I guess I know why Donald Trump is president now.2 -
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✭SienneYviete wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »SienneYviete wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »ill be frank, i am working on a max health dk tank build, still need a few pieces before i can test it, but the goal that i am shooting for is not to merely tank a boss, but also eliminate need for a healer, wont go into the details i am focused on, but if it works it will be a nice build and a little different then my current tank meta in which i just tank everything (rotate targets as fight progresses to keep as many on me as i can) whereas if this build works like i plan on it, ill only be tanking the high damage hitters to avoid damage from dying. should work if it doenst drain my magicka too quickly.
The only clas who can achieve this is Templar. Dk can go VERRY close but with regen build. You can still try but i doubt it.
(dk tank since early access)
And for all moaners out there. My job is to hold agro, to be able to survive if healer need to outheal gpr, or is away, and to position boss so YOU can be able to do dps. If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong. You join as dps right ?
THEN DO ALL POSIBLE TO DID MAX DPS AND STOP MOANING FOR SM1 ELSE TO BOOST YOU, LAZZY P**CKS!
And please dont die in aoe / and then blame healer or tank for no heal or agro.../
scrubs
You're a bad tank and you should feel bad. I can do the lazy job you can do on a light armor wearing magblade and pull high dps at the same time and heal myself, if you're gonna man up and be an actual tank in this game then learn to actually do your role properly, smh at some of the bads in this thread that have zero clue on what a tank actually does.
I play EU EP /DE DK/ My name toon is Ashen Shugar and I`m tank since early acces and so far no one /in game/ call me i`m bad (tank or dps) mostly get yawns for healer because he dont even need to heal me so he just dps or slack. If you think tank job is lazzy then i just pity you. I can feel all rolle, i just telling you is not my job to boost your dps. And unlike you i have all speed runs achievments at the date they released them. As a bad tank. Go bck to game now and learn to play.
You obviously don't tank trials because if you did any half competent trials group would boot your a$$ out of group in an instant and lol the tank that stands and holds block doing nothing else is telling me to learn to play GTFO of here with that, there is not a vet trial or dungeon I have not tanked/dpsed or healed and judging by your response all you do is pug tank and blow smoke up your own a$$ because you know how to use a taunt and hold down your rmb.
where i told you tank stay and just hold block ?
"You obviously don't tank trials"
There are achievments which can be linked you know...
But even then they means nothing/ you can achive them even when afk./trials/
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Yeh, me too. Don't get me wrong, when there's 10 mobs I don't Pierce armor all of them. I let my path, sap and grothdrarr get aggro from them while I Pierce armor the big guys. But bosses you always need to Pierce armor and I even have a crusher enchant which I keep up as much as possible. Even if I inner fire boss from range, I'll Pierce armor it the first chance I get.0 -
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✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »SienneYviete wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »SienneYviete wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »ill be frank, i am working on a max health dk tank build, still need a few pieces before i can test it, but the goal that i am shooting for is not to merely tank a boss, but also eliminate need for a healer, wont go into the details i am focused on, but if it works it will be a nice build and a little different then my current tank meta in which i just tank everything (rotate targets as fight progresses to keep as many on me as i can) whereas if this build works like i plan on it, ill only be tanking the high damage hitters to avoid damage from dying. should work if it doenst drain my magicka too quickly.
The only clas who can achieve this is Templar. Dk can go VERRY close but with regen build. You can still try but i doubt it.
(dk tank since early access)
And for all moaners out there. My job is to hold agro, to be able to survive if healer need to outheal gpr, or is away, and to position boss so YOU can be able to do dps. If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong. You join as dps right ?
THEN DO ALL POSIBLE TO DID MAX DPS AND STOP MOANING FOR SM1 ELSE TO BOOST YOU, LAZZY P**CKS!
And please dont die in aoe / and then blame healer or tank for no heal or agro.../
scrubs
You're a bad tank and you should feel bad. I can do the lazy job you can do on a light armor wearing magblade and pull high dps at the same time and heal myself, if you're gonna man up and be an actual tank in this game then learn to actually do your role properly, smh at some of the bads in this thread that have zero clue on what a tank actually does.
I play EU EP /DE DK/ My name toon is Ashen Shugar and I`m tank since early acces and so far no one /in game/ call me i`m bad (tank or dps) mostly get yawns for healer because he dont even need to heal me so he just dps or slack. If you think tank job is lazzy then i just pity you. I can feel all rolle, i just telling you is not my job to boost your dps. And unlike you i have all speed runs achievments at the date they released them. As a bad tank. Go bck to game now and learn to play.
You obviously don't tank trials because if you did any half competent trials group would boot your a$$ out of group in an instant and lol the tank that stands and holds block doing nothing else is telling me to learn to play GTFO of here with that, there is not a vet trial or dungeon I have not tanked/dpsed or healed and judging by your response all you do is pug tank and blow smoke up your own a$$ because you know how to use a taunt and hold down your rmb.
where i told you tank stay and just hold block ?
"You obviously don't tank trials"
There are achievments which can be linked you know...
But even then they means nothing/ you can achive them even when afk./trials/
You're really not very smart are you? 2 secs lemme just get back into VMOL and afk tank rakkhat.......Delta
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zzerogg✭✭someone who thinks he is smarter than others but gives no argument beyond just saying that really is not
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zzerogg✭✭when you realise that a lot of other people are smarter than you, yeh you may have just grown up0
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NativeJoe✭✭✭✭✭Eh personally when I tank, I don't do the debuff either.
I mean I probably should, but I'm more comfortable just Heal tanking the thing and Not relying on there being a competent healer/ DD in the group. When I que for a random dungeon, I fully accept and realize that im probably going to end up having to soloing the thing.
If I'm doing serious dungeons, I step aside and let someone do the tanking process in a legit manner. When I've been asked to tank trials, I explain what I'm going to use, and they usually don't care, they just want to get through the trial with a tank that doesn't die, and will actually respond to them in teamspeak and react to the situation as it progresses.
I'm not claiming to be an ideal tank, but im saying that for the majority of cases...there is no need to be overly needy of said debuff. I mostly don't need heals, I don't need shards, and under most circumstances I don't even need the players behind me to be at their keyboards. Go ahead and go afk mid boss, challenge accepted.
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stumpy999✭✭✭Ease up on the Trump jokes. He's a guy that doesn't hide his helmet
To return to the thread; I have done most content in various roles and there are no laws you know.
There are a few customs though, that evolve and change and an OP has mentioned them as the "meta"
Tank is generally there to manage aggro, now he can also do other good stuff as a bonus but he's there to annoy people and not die, make the boss point away from the nice ladies with sticks and generally walk backwards in high heels. So he could run the debuff as well but why give up a slot when's he's already taunting etc.
As a healer I have run debuff for one group and regen with orb/shard for others. As dps I have slotted my own debuff etc. It varies within certain groups as to whats the most efficient.
Group dynamics can be more important than a particular ability and a group of 4 ubermax wonderleets can still fail tragically. However it usually takes longer for them to fail than a minor boss. This is why folk prefer to work with people that are a known quantity.
If you are failing really early on and it isn't because the tank has lost aggro, then I would suggest that you simply lacked dps.
Failing really early, then you probably better off braking the group up and trying a new mix
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✭SienneYviete wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »SienneYviete wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »SienneYviete wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »ill be frank, i am working on a max health dk tank build, still need a few pieces before i can test it, but the goal that i am shooting for is not to merely tank a boss, but also eliminate need for a healer, wont go into the details i am focused on, but if it works it will be a nice build and a little different then my current tank meta in which i just tank everything (rotate targets as fight progresses to keep as many on me as i can) whereas if this build works like i plan on it, ill only be tanking the high damage hitters to avoid damage from dying. should work if it doenst drain my magicka too quickly.
The only clas who can achieve this is Templar. Dk can go VERRY close but with regen build. You can still try but i doubt it.
(dk tank since early access)
And for all moaners out there. My job is to hold agro, to be able to survive if healer need to outheal gpr, or is away, and to position boss so YOU can be able to do dps. If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong. You join as dps right ?
THEN DO ALL POSIBLE TO DID MAX DPS AND STOP MOANING FOR SM1 ELSE TO BOOST YOU, LAZZY P**CKS!
And please dont die in aoe / and then blame healer or tank for no heal or agro.../
scrubs
You're a bad tank and you should feel bad. I can do the lazy job you can do on a light armor wearing magblade and pull high dps at the same time and heal myself, if you're gonna man up and be an actual tank in this game then learn to actually do your role properly, smh at some of the bads in this thread that have zero clue on what a tank actually does.
I play EU EP /DE DK/ My name toon is Ashen Shugar and I`m tank since early acces and so far no one /in game/ call me i`m bad (tank or dps) mostly get yawns for healer because he dont even need to heal me so he just dps or slack. If you think tank job is lazzy then i just pity you. I can feel all rolle, i just telling you is not my job to boost your dps. And unlike you i have all speed runs achievments at the date they released them. As a bad tank. Go bck to game now and learn to play.
You obviously don't tank trials because if you did any half competent trials group would boot your a$$ out of group in an instant and lol the tank that stands and holds block doing nothing else is telling me to learn to play GTFO of here with that, there is not a vet trial or dungeon I have not tanked/dpsed or healed and judging by your response all you do is pug tank and blow smoke up your own a$$ because you know how to use a taunt and hold down your rmb.
where i told you tank stay and just hold block ?
"You obviously don't tank trials"
There are achievments which can be linked you know...
But even then they means nothing/ you can achive them even when afk./trials/
You're really not very smart are you? 2 secs lemme just get back into VMOL and afk tank rakkhat.......
Do i need to be tank to get trial achievment?!?
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deevoh1991✭✭✭I wouldn't tell people how they are supposed to play unless they are really being dumb and like not attacking/Healing or doing their PRIMARY job, the way you asked it does seem demanding, if you want extra support just in general in group be like "Hey do you guys think we should..." instead of calling someone out secretly and being like "I think you should..." as if you're a game master, as you put it that guy seemed high level and I think it's fair to assume most people who are CP561 kinda with experience know their stuff?PSN GT : Divzor1 -
deevoh1991✭✭✭Also, you clearly stated the other 2 DPS guys were relatively new, so obviously it's understandable why the boss isn't dying. You can't ask a high level tank who's prolly won hundreds of dungeons what to do when your 2 DPS guys are equipped with jute and Maple training stuff, it's common sense, either you should have voted to kick the lowest Lvl 10 player or told the DPS's to attack more, and I think even DP's can perhaps allot 1 Slot for a buff reduce or group increase.PSN GT : Divzor0
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Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
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Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
The guy probably doesn't know what combat prayer does which most good healers run so yeah there's that.Delta
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Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
tbh i'm used to play with tanks who don't care about resistances at all, bc CP/block will cover for all the mitigation you need. I usually tank all trials with 25k...30k resistances and don't have any problems with too much inc. damage...Noobplar1 -
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Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.Edited by Runkorko on November 12, 2016 11:19AM0 -
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✭If you don't intend to conform to your role, then pick a different one. If you don't intend to do that either, then you don't belong in group content. One does not simply jump into a group dungeon and then not do their job. I would sooner see you leave, or not join up at all, if you are going to have this kind of mentality. Is it necessary to have a tank in veteran dungeons? For most of them, no, you can take in 3 dps in lieu of a support role. But to join a group as a tank, and then do nothing to support your group? Might as well have a 3rd real dps than an arrogant meat shield who will do nothing but stand there.
That's spot on. A player in a support role must indirectly increase the group DPS more than a full DDs would have in the situation where the basic role would be shared between those DDs. For example a tank must passively increase the DPS by boosting group DPS more than a full DPS would have, with aggro shared between them. A healer must boost the DPS more than a DD when all DDs slot self heals. Support does make a tremendous difference. I found a video a few days, with a comparison between a fight where the healer just heals, and the same fight where he uses his full support skills. Same holds for the tank. If he doesn't debuff, and does not slot and use group utility skills (buffs, debuffs, CC) in an effective way, he's just a meat sack and probably dead weight for the group.
[relevant part begins at 14:00]
https://youtu.be/Pu3A4iALQLU?t=14m
Nice example for the performance difference between just healing and buffing as well. Thanks for sharing
When I look at the numbers I see the the two Damage Dealers go from just rougly 31k DPS to roughly 42k DPS,
or approx a 40% DPS increase.
That's actually quite comparable with the 100 meter sprint:
Top male athletes hit just below 10 seconds and ordinary healthy young males without real talent and/or training, besides being in general fit, hit around 15 seconds for the 100 meter.
For me the conclusion is, that if you go for the top performance, you have to listen to the pro's, adapt to the schemes of the pro's and work hard like the pro's.
But if you just play the game for fun......
and mirroring 100% the pro's, with all the discipline and prescriptions, is taking away your fun.....
that 40-50% is not worth the trouble at all !
Getting in the right group is however crucial to keep everybody happy."I still do not understand why I followed the advice of Captain Rana to bring the villagers of Bleakrock into safety. We should have fought for our village and not have backed down, with our tail between our legs. Now my home village is in shambles, the houses burning, the invaders feasting.I swear every day to Shor that after Molag Bal has been defeated, I will hunt down the invaders and restore peace in Bleakrock and drink my mead with my friends at the market place".PC-EU0 -
visionality✭✭✭✭✭Lovely thread, shows so much of some people's thinking. So, a few words to all those who flame about "don't tell me what skills I'm supposed to use" ...
NOONE will ever asks a good tank to use specific skills because a good tank is already using them or something else that is equal or better. ("Noone" excluding idiots ofc.) So no good tank in this thread has to feel forced to meet other players expectations because they are already fulfulling or even exceeding them.
A GOOD TANK is not an aggro-meatbag with a shield. (That's the definition of a very inexperienced or a very bad tank.) A good tank likes to use his sets and his skills, his keyboard has more than one key and his mouse is not damaged and can only press down LMB and RMB combined. A good tank will be bored to death if anybody asks to only block and hold taunt against a boss. A good tank will buff the group and debuff the enemies, and he will enjoy it cause it's a lot of fun to see how you empower your group.
NOT EVERYONE will be able to see what a real good tank does (same with real good healers) because many ppl are too overwhelmed with their own duties. But everyone will feel it. Bosses go down faster, groups wipe more rarely, mobs are magically rounding up where they are easiest to kill.
Tanking involves as much skill as healing and DPSing. But skill is something that needs to be acquired, and noone has ever developed skill by saying "this is not my task you stupid ***"4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭daedalusAI wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »SienneYviete wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
The guy probably doesn't know what combat prayer does which most good healers run so yeah there's that.
"They guy" spend more than 15 milion gold on respecs so please STFU and go bitching somewhere else.
Agreed. I am so sick of these arrogant (and often lacking) players who expect others to slot their ability bar exactly as they say.
I don't run combat prayer either. It's not so awesome a skill that it is mandatory. Not even close. And players are definitely capable of being "good healers" without it.
I find for the most part that these players who whine for specific abilities all the time are usually the problem player in the group. They should probably refrain from using the group finder tool and stick to playing with their friends/guild members who might be more willing to let them boss them around on how they play their characters..
You consider it bossing someone around if they've been asked to use a certain buff/debuff?
After reading something like that I really have the urge to want to see how you do in a group in more difficult content like a vet dungeon and your group members are only using 1 or 2 abilities and the whole run is painfully slow with plenty of deaths: I'm pretty sure you'll change your opinion pretty quickly or try to replace your group members.
I have done probably 100s of veteran dungeons. I have never bossed another player around or demanded that they change their ability bar to suit me.
So no - my opinion won't change.
People who are going to be extra picky about how others play - or who aren't able to deal with the occasional bad run due to newer or different players then they are used to - should probably refrain from using the group finder.
Also: there is a big difference in politely asking another player to try something - and then demanding that they do it because it is supposedly their job as was done here.Edited by Jeremy on November 12, 2016 12:28PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »SienneYviete wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
The guy probably doesn't know what combat prayer does which most good healers run so yeah there's that.
"The guy" spend more than 15 milion gold on respecs so please STFU and go bitching somewhere else.
Yet you still have the wrong morph...
Wrong according to who? You?
Who died and made you God of ESO to tell others what morph is right and wrong? lol
It's their decision which morphs to pick. It's their character.Edited by Jeremy on November 12, 2016 12:25PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »SienneYviete wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
The guy probably doesn't know what combat prayer does which most good healers run so yeah there's that.
"The guy" spend more than 15 milion gold on respecs so please STFU and go bitching somewhere else.
Yet you still have the wrong morph...
Wrong according to who? You?
Who died and made you God of ESO to tell others what morph is right and wrong? lol
It's their decision which morphs to pick. It's their character.
Says everyone you'll play with. Ransack is a selfish, pvp morph. Pierce armor helps everyone in a dungeon.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »SienneYviete wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
The guy probably doesn't know what combat prayer does which most good healers run so yeah there's that.
"The guy" spend more than 15 milion gold on respecs so please STFU and go bitching somewhere else.
Yet you still have the wrong morph...
Wrong according to who? You?
Who died and made you God of ESO to tell others what morph is right and wrong? lol
It's their decision which morphs to pick. It's their character.
Says everyone you'll play with. Ransack is a selfish, pvp morph. Pierce armor helps everyone in a dungeon.
No everyone does not say that.
Not everyone likes to tell everyone else what they should be morphing. It's their character - and so long as they are reasonably doing the combat role they signed up for people really have no right to complain.
Knit picking someone else's character or demanding that they morph or slot the abilities of your choosing is something a lot of us consider bad etiquette. And for good reason.
Edited by Jeremy on November 12, 2016 12:35PM6 -
cbaudersub17_ESO✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »SienneYviete wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
The guy probably doesn't know what combat prayer does which most good healers run so yeah there's that.
"The guy" spend more than 15 milion gold on respecs so please STFU and go bitching somewhere else.
Yet you still have the wrong morph...
Wrong according to who? You?
Who died and made you God of ESO to tell others what morph is right and wrong? lol
It's their decision which morphs to pick. It's their character.
Says everyone you'll play with. Ransack is a selfish, pvp morph. Pierce armor helps everyone in a dungeon.
Doing PvE and PvP on the same character is a thing.Edited by cbaudersub17_ESO on November 12, 2016 12:55PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.Edited by LadyNalcarya on November 12, 2016 12:55PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »
Does your tank build actually need the Minor Resolve that Ransack gives you in order to hit the mitigation hard cap? I'm used to tank builds that go a little bit over the resistance needed to hit the hard cap without any Minor Resolve buffs.runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »If you want me to pick reduce ressit morph over increase armor one, just to booost your slacky skiny dps arses, then you are wrong.
No. But when ppl force me to do smth because is a must i`l refuse to do it. And i found it funy when dd or even a healer try to educate tank how to play.
"Even a healer"? Wtf man.
I play a healer and tank, healed and tanked all trials and dungeons. I cant even express how silly your posts are.
What kind of attitude is it? "Someone asked me to do X - Oh noes, Ill never do that, theyre just some dds and healers, I will never listen to them!". Thats not what a team player (and a good tank is always a team player) would say.
Being a team player does not mean you let other players boss you around and tell you how to play.
I would be tempted to react in exactly the same fashion if someone tried to force me to do something also. I would refuse just out of principle alone - even if what they were demanding was an intelligent option.
You get better results when one asks nicely and doesn't try to force or push their own opinions onto someone else.Edited by Jeremy on November 12, 2016 1:05PM7
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