Should BOP be removed ?

Tavore1138 · November 2016

YES remove BOP on all items except for trials drop ( not including VMSA drops)

I'd keep it on trials specific sets, monster masks, master and maelstrom drops.

All other dungeon sets should be BoE as it leads to a healthier economy and better availability of the sets to all kinds of players but still allows those that complete the truly tough content to have something unique to feel smug about.

It also means that those with the patience to run a Vet Dungeon 50+ times to finally get that divines mask get the reward of selling off at least some of the loot instead of just trading it off for one piece of craft material and maybe a temper if they are lucky!

LaiTash · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Gargath wrote: »

Exchanging BOP for BOE would also flood the market traders with drops in short duration causing many to loose interest in farming items if they can buy them for gold.

Now THAT is how a mmo should work. I should be able to buy something i can't or don't want to farm myself. Of course this only works when there's a healthy economy, so drop rates must be reduced to avoid the situation we have now with overland gear, when you can easily find a purple sharpened weapon for 250g. Economy should work, BOP is nothing but a botch.

ForsakenSin · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

frateanu.luiseb17_ESO wrote: »

After 1 TAMRIEL BOP ...I see rarely people doing normal trials. ZOS killed the trials. How to learn them if there is no incentive to do them and learn them?
Also they killed the market and the crafters in many aspects.

Excuse my english.

Actually you are right about that im on xbone 1 na and i can see that already happening , the traders guilds have also increased the donation and ive seen few people leave as they can't sell things as most of items are BOP.

... i would not mind items been BOP if they had seller that sells ALL items in doungens at all traits and last bosses of dungeons drooped shards like WGT and you can buy the items in the trait you need...

the problem is running the same content again and again and again and again and again and again and not getting the item you need every MMO should have a " light at the end of tunnel " something that if you work hard for it you know there is a chance of reward and not i know its 1-642 chances i can get it.

I fell so sorry for PVP players to be honest. cos i know if the things were reversed if i was made to run a PVP to get the build i need to be competitive i would not play it.

and you are right regarding crafters , i believe they should of made most of those new sets craftable, people placed sooo much time and money in research and motifis just to be outdone by the drop sets, they should of made that each one of those sets like for example atomatons can be crafted however the rings and neck would drop only in DS last boss. NOW that would be good.

PS your English is great

altemriel · November 2016

I was thinking about the BOP and BOE, which ZOS introduced with One Tamriel (all dungeon and trial gear), that is is supposed to be a gold sink, that now people can not sell these items for lot of gold, as before (when it was sellable), it would put much gold to the economy, which would bring inflation

Azuramoonstar · November 2016

NO leave the BOP as it is, you need to earn the items.

Bop is there to help rmt, was a preventive from loot stealing, and a way to control the market.

more often now bop, is a rmt preventitive. In ff11 barely any iitens was BoP, that means any field boss or rare drop were sold for in game money. This leads to those being bot farmed by rmt who sold them at crazy amounts, which lead to market inflation. FF11's econemy nearly crashed due to thois, so the devs stepped in, did LARGE ban waves of anyone who exploited, bot farm or otherwise. And tghe devs made most everything BOP/BoE. And it helped. They put the sellable version in a instence fight that was hard to get into.And it help the ecomany big time.

I don't want to see this happen in modern mmo, mmo comminities like this seem to be mostly new to the genre people and may not know how bad rmt can get.

Thats my 2 cents, i don't want bop removed as i don't want to see a inflated, stagnet near economy crash like i did in my previous mmo. There is nothing wrong with earning the items, it keeps content alive. If anyone can buy anything, it makes content irrelivent very quicky.

Armitas · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

BOP needs to be burned in the fire of a thousand suns.

NoMoreChillies · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Ive noticed my Trading Guild has increased its donation requirement / sell requirement.

Obviously people cannot sell items like they used to.

I do not like Bind on Pickup at all.

bigted209 · November 2016

YES remove BOP on all items except for trials drop ( not including VMSA drops)

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

Ive noticed my Trading Guild has increased its donation requirement / sell requirement.

Obviously people cannot sell items like they used to.

I do not like Bind on Pickup at all.

Agreed. I've watched tempering alloy go from 10-15k to the new standard of 20-25k overnight. Guild trader sales are down as far as I can tell, which is causing a gouging effect on what's left that can be sold. Not a fan....

Furthermore...rather than do content I enjoy, trial raids for leaderboard spots, pvp in cyrodiil...I'm left to do the same mindless task countless times over again for that one last piece of whatever. On the same token, really the only gold sinks anymore are the golden vendor, abhorrent material prices, and perhaps useful housing options in the future. I for one am done spending double on things I can amass naturally over time, and I'm pretty much done gear grinding. The kids are outfitted well enough for pvp/vet trials...so good luck selling tempers for 30k a piece, good luck hammering that same dolmen or dungeon boss...I'm going to go do things I actually like doing, and be pretty broke since I can't sell anything anymore

GoodFella146 · November 2016

Where's the option to remove all binding on everything, period? If someone wants to sell their precise maelstrom staff they used the last year because they just got a sharpened one, I say let them. The marketplace would be so interesting and everyone would be able to get what they wanted, one way or another, if really determined.

As it is now, it's horrible. I'm perfectly capable of beating the arena, but I don't want to. It's not fun. If other ppl find it fun then let them run it and become their own Golden vendor, lol

ForsakenSin · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Yep that is what is happening the few pieces of gear that were BOE and now BOP have skyrocketed ( i understand is supply and demand ) and yes guild traders have up their prices as they can't compete anymore and people leaving thouse guilds cos they can't sell and pay their dues . Right now everything in my inventory from my bank to my ALTS its all bound i can't sell them or give them to people who need them/ want them .

I can do writs and try to get temper to sell for 25k plus ( i wonder who will buy it for that price) or i can go and spend hours farming BUT considering 1T came out good luck in finding a quiet place.

Like i said before ... i have noticed less and less people in major hubs before there were sooo many people talking dancing ect now i see maybe 5-10 if lucky , que up in finder for 3 dungeons i need to farm to get last items as healer takes 40 min and unfortunately you cp 100 and that is just not enough of DPS to finish them so they quit and your left with que up again.

I went to PVP had a look most of them were empty (before most of them were full ) i know this might be due to players farming to get last items they need OR due to lag or maybe even due to all the proc sets.

Sometimes it fells like waste land no matter where i go.. what happend to all those people? where did they all go? whats going on?

I really don't want to think or believe the game is dieing ....

FloppyTouch · November 2016

Where is the remove BoP items even Vmsa weps?

Doctordarkspawn · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

I'd argue VMA drops need to be tradeable but thats beside the point.

Do you like grinding? I dont like grinding. I dont like grinding a dungeon for gear, so lets just let people sell their drops like the good old days and be done with it.

It dosent make these items harder to obtain, it just increases the time needed to obtain them. It's not a roadblock, it's just an annoyance.

...As for VMA, screw VMA. Just screw VMA. Gone over it in other threads, dont care to here.

Azuramoonstar · November 2016

NO leave the BOP as it is, you need to earn the items.

i'm guessing all people voting yes are new to MMO.

most people who are not new to mmo would love this.

ForsakenSin · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Not really , there are many people who came from WoW ect

the main change is that most of the items were BOE before and now this has changed and its affecting everybody thats the main problem

Yamenstein · November 2016

NO leave the BOP as it is, you need to earn the items.

I think someone else already mentioned it - if they were to remove BoP then they should also significantly decrease the drop rate. It really isn't all that hard to group up with friends and run dungeons to get the loot you want - yes a bit harder for trials, but still doable.

You don't want your games to feel like work, but at the same time you want to achieve something, don't you? Otherwise what's the point in playing any game. What's the point in doing anything honestly. If you don't strive to achieve something then that's just poor on your part.

Trial drops need to be fixed yeah, maybe give more incentive for people to do multiple runs for normal trials as well - make it so that once a day you can get X amount of keys from a trial run for example? Who knows - maybe even implement another system for them. Because yeah, I don't bother to run certain trials on normal after I got the armour pieces I wanted from them.

Maybe Zos should just make all those prosperous and training drops BoP free

AzuraKin · November 2016

i say make nothing bound on pickup. to be frank, if i run vma, get a perfect maelstrom weapon, and wanna sell it, i should be able to sell it. this argument a person shouldnt have an item because they bought it instead of farming it is the most stupid argument in the world. its like saying a person should only have a house if they build it by themselves, or a person should only have a car if they build it themselves.

EldritchPenguin · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Yamenstein wrote: »

I think someone else already mentioned it - if they were to remove BoP then they should also significantly decrease the drop rate. It really isn't all that hard to group up with friends and run dungeons to get the loot you want - yes a bit harder for trials, but still doable.

You don't want your games to feel like work, but at the same time you want to achieve something, don't you? Otherwise what's the point in playing any game. What's the point in doing anything honestly. If you don't strive to achieve something then that's just poor on your part.

The problem with this is that there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Some of these things can have a roughly 1 in 600 chance of getting your BiS item--and it's not like the 600th run is any more likely to drop it than the 1st run.

There needs to be some kind of safety net from the RNG. There needs to be a way to earn items that RNG just refuses to give you after 500 runs of the same dungeon. Otherwise you're just forcing players to beat their heads against a wall.

ForsakenSin · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

@EldritchPenguin

"The problem with this is that there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Some of these things can have a roughly 1 in 600 chance of getting your BiS item--and it's not like the 600th run is any more likely to drop it than the 1st run."

THIS is what it is all about

ive personality done so many runs of DS i forgot the count and yet not seen 1 , 1 handed atomatons wp drop.

If it will be BOP then make it so there is a light in the end of tunnel and not 1-642 chances

Stopnaggin · November 2016

WhiteMage wrote: »

Better yet, make it easier to get your desired drop in far fewer runs. I don't need to be gouged at the prices players set for this gear.

BoP is a necessary lock on certain items. Sure, I may get the drop I want sooner if I pay someone for it, but that's not addressing the real issue, it just lets people profit off it.

Why is people profiting a bad thing? You would at least have the option. I know trying to get my VO gear has been a huge drag. Still don't have all the pieces I want. I would happily pay for the daggers and rings.

idk · November 2016

YES remove BOP on all items except for trials drop ( not including VMSA drops)

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

i'm guessing all people voting yes are new to MMO.

most people who are not new to mmo would love this.

@Azuramoonstar

Please explain your comment. Considering there was a lengthy thread in the pts forums about concern that. BoE gear was being removed from the trials I would suggest the results would be opposite.

Maybe I have misread your comment.

idk · November 2016

YES remove BOP on all items except for trials drop ( not including VMSA drops)

Zos just needs to add some non trial sets back in and have them BoE.

Zypheran · November 2016

YES remove BOP on all items except for trials drop ( not including VMSA drops)

Get rid of BoP its one of the most restrictive elements of the game. It results in tedious farming to get the items you want in the traits you need. I used to like the idea of being able to play this game anyway you wanted. If you wanted to spend your time farming stuff and selling it, making loads of money from dabbling in buy-and-sell commodity markets.. you could! Now I find that the game is getting narrower and narrower in how it must be played.. you have to do this and you cant do that!

altemriel · November 2016

I would be happy if all BOP and BOE would be removed, and fully tradable again.

but I had an idea lately, that it is maybe an indirect gold sink, that we can not sell them anymore now, to prevent inflation

ForsakenSin · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

well just last night i was doing trials and i got viper shoulder's and there was a guy that wanted them badly and was willing to trade kuta for it and money ect when i went to try to traded with him it didn't show up and i was like...um ok.... so i had a look and it was BOP i was like wtf? so i had to tell the guy and he was upset and pissed off as that is the item that he needs and was farming for it .. and here i got it and i will decon it cos i would not use it.

now this is one prime example why BOP should be removed !

phreatophile · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

BOP is nonsensical. Something I killed happened to be carrying this amazing item that is for no other hand than mine, never mind that the corpse I just looted it from had that item a few seconds ago. Oh look!! a purple Staff of Malingering Skull Buggery". It's stuck so firmly to my hand that I can't even give it away but I can break it down for parts.

It's a lame artificial concept that has no purpose besides herding gamers like cattle into the same content over and over and over and over ad nauseam, ad absurdum, ad mortem.

I've destroyed or vendored so many useless to me but probably priceless to someone else pieces of gear since 1T. Asinine.

disintegr8 · November 2016

BOP goes against the concept of having a market economy as they have removed 50% or more of the sellable items. I end up deconstructing 70% of everything I get in dungeon runs now because I either do not want the set, do not want the trait, or simply run out of inventory capacity. I cannot even give it away outside the run group.

None of the guilds I am in have traders any more, there are hardly any sales between members - they might as well get rid of the trading system if they intend to keep so much stuff BOP. How many people have stopped using guild stores in the last 3-4 months?

The only people who could be in favour of BOP are either those than can farm for top end gear so do not want anyone else to be able to buy it, or those that want to buy it but think the prices were always too high.

I don't have an issue with BOE, just BOP.

ForsakenSin · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

disintegr8 wrote: »

BOP goes against the concept of having a market economy as they have removed 50% or more of the sellable items. I end up deconstructing 70% of everything I get in dungeon runs now because I either do not want the set, do not want the trait, or simply run out of inventory capacity. I cannot even give it away outside the run group.

None of the guilds I am in have traders any more, there are hardly any sales between members - they might as well get rid of the trading system if they intend to keep so much stuff BOP. How many people have stopped using guild stores in the last 3-4 months?

The only people who could be in favour of BOP are either those than can farm for top end gear so do not want anyone else to be able to buy it, or those that want to buy it but think the prices were always too high.

I don't have an issue with BOE, just BOP.

That is spot on !!!

ive seen a decline in guilds not just with people leaving because they can't sell but also due the increase of guild cost also there have been many member who started to be inactive.

ForsakenSin · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

phreatophile wrote: »

BOP is nonsensical. Something I killed happened to be carrying this amazing item that is for no other hand than mine, never mind that the corpse I just looted it from had that item a few seconds ago. Oh look!! a purple Staff of Malingering Skull Buggery". It's stuck so firmly to my hand that I can't even give it away but I can break it down for parts.

It's a lame artificial concept that has no purpose besides herding gamers like cattle into the same content over and over and over and over ad nauseam, ad absurdum, ad mortem.

I've destroyed or vendored so many useless to me but probably priceless to someone else pieces of gear since 1T. Asinine.

LOL SO TRUE

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Yes, but be careful what you wish for. Last time we begged to have BOP removed they gave us more of it instead.

Morbash · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

BoP and RNG are killing ESO for me. Please ZOS, change BoP to BoE on everything except vMA and Master weapons. Add a token system to vMA.