WARNING New Players Do Not Buy Petty Gems

Jemcrystal · November 2016

Hi I just got suckered so to other new players sending out this warning. Guildies will sell you petty gems and they are worthless. We're not in Skyrim anymore kids.

Kodrac · November 2016

Sounds like a bad trade guild to me.

SirAndy · November 2016

I still have stacks of those old gems. In fact, i always pick them up when i see them in the wild.

They go nicely with all my OLD mats and my stash of Lire runes ...

Nestor · November 2016

Shame we could not even partially charge weapons like before.

Wait, maybe we could have, I did not try that.

Smashington357 · November 2016

Anytime i start a new MMO i follow a rule of thumb. I don't buy anything. Leveling is typically easy and purchases are unnecessary anyway. So i'll save my currency, level up and make purchases once i have the market a little figured out.

KaleidoscopeEyz · November 2016

Can't a new player revive their petty soul with them?

UrQuan · November 2016

*facepalm*

Why are there always some people out to scam newbies?

UrQuan · November 2016

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

Can't a new player revive their petty soul with them?

No, since the One Tamriel update only grand soul gems work to revive anyone.

Kodrac · November 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

I still have stacks of those old gems. In fact, i always pick them up when i see them in the wild.

They go nicely with all my OLD mats and my stash of Lire runes ...

They get converted to Grand when you pick them up in the wild.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · November 2016

I still want to know why Zeni didn't just convert ALL Soul Gems to Grand for One Tamriel. $:\$

UrQuan · November 2016

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I still want to know why Zeni didn't just convert ALL Soul Gems to Grand for One Tamriel. $:\$

The only reason I can think of is that maybe they were concerned people would spend all of their gold buying up empty petty soul gems from vendors, then turn around and sell them all as grand soul gems after the conversion to One Tamriel. I suppose if enough people did that it could really ruin the economy.

Nyghthowler · November 2016

Nestor wrote: »

Shame we could not even partially charge weapons like before.

Wait, maybe we could have, I did not try that.

Nope, first thing I tried after the change. All they're good for is to prop open a door....

Publius_Scipio · November 2016

To put it bluntly, no disrespect to your guild, but sounds like there are unscrupulous players within the ranks. Least thing you can do is sell the gems to a NPC vendor.

Skcarkden · November 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I still want to know why Zeni didn't just convert ALL Soul Gems to Grand for One Tamriel. $:\$

The only reason I can think of is that maybe they were concerned people would spend all of their gold buying up empty petty soul gems from vendors, then turn around and sell them all as grand soul gems after the conversion to One Tamriel. I suppose if enough people did that it could really ruin the economy.

How? I never see anyone try to buy gems, and their timer doesn't reset to 30 days so they aren't being bought and re stocked and the multiples of guild vendors i did check.

Even one time when i asked zone chat on ps4 where i could find a NPC merchant selling empty gems they misunderstood my intent and instead were explaining it's not worth buying (full ones) and gave me some..

TheShadowScout · November 2016

They REALLY should replace all size soul gems in the game with a generic "Soul Gem" that's equivalent of the grand soul gems we now have to use for -everything-

I mean, really... all those different levels of soul gems are a thing of the past now that we're in one tamriel, yes? So why keep 'em?

UrQuan · November 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I still want to know why Zeni didn't just convert ALL Soul Gems to Grand for One Tamriel. $:\$

The only reason I can think of is that maybe they were concerned people would spend all of their gold buying up empty petty soul gems from vendors, then turn around and sell them all as grand soul gems after the conversion to One Tamriel. I suppose if enough people did that it could really ruin the economy.

How? I never see anyone try to buy gems, and their timer doesn't reset to 30 days so they aren't being bought and re stocked and the multiples of guild vendors i did check.

Even one time when i asked zone chat on ps4 where i could find a NPC merchant selling empty gems they misunderstood my intent and instead were explaining it's not worth buying (full ones) and gave me some..

There are NPC vendors that sell empty soul gems. They used to sell ones of appropriate level to the zones that they were in (although I'm not actually sure if there were any that sold petty ones). You buy up the empty ones, fill them, wait for them to convert to grand soul gems, and then sell them back to vendors at a profit. I don't know exactly what empty petty soul gems would have cost, but I'm pretty sure it was less than the 30 gold that you can sell a full grand soul gem to a vendor for, so that's how you would make money off it if they had converted all soul gems to grand.

SirAndy · November 2016

Kodrac wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

I still have stacks of those old gems. In fact, i always pick them up when i see them in the wild.
They go nicely with all my OLD mats and my stash of Lire runes ...

They get converted to Grand when you pick them up in the wild.

I never noticed! Learn something new every day ...

drakhan2002_ESO · November 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

I still have stacks of those old gems. In fact, i always pick them up when i see them in the wild.

They go nicely with all my OLD mats and my stash of Lire runes ...

When you pick them up in the wild they now auto-convert to Grand Soul gems.

drakhan2002_ESO · November 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

I still have stacks of those old gems. In fact, i always pick them up when i see them in the wild.
They go nicely with all my OLD mats and my stash of Lire runes ...

They get converted to Grand when you pick them up in the wild.

I never noticed! Learn something new every day ...

Ah...I see you're no longer a newbie! :P

Skcarkden · November 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I still want to know why Zeni didn't just convert ALL Soul Gems to Grand for One Tamriel. $:\$

The only reason I can think of is that maybe they were concerned people would spend all of their gold buying up empty petty soul gems from vendors, then turn around and sell them all as grand soul gems after the conversion to One Tamriel. I suppose if enough people did that it could really ruin the economy.

How? I never see anyone try to buy gems, and their timer doesn't reset to 30 days so they aren't being bought and re stocked and the multiples of guild vendors i did check.

Even one time when i asked zone chat on ps4 where i could find a NPC merchant selling empty gems they misunderstood my intent and instead were explaining it's not worth buying (full ones) and gave me some..

There are NPC vendors that sell empty soul gems. They used to sell ones of appropriate level to the zones that they were in (although I'm not actually sure if there were any that sold petty ones). You buy up the empty ones, fill them, wait for them to convert to grand soul gems, and then sell them back to vendors at a profit. I don't know exactly what empty petty soul gems would have cost, but I'm pretty sure it was less than the 30 gold that you can sell a full grand soul gem to a vendor for, so that's how you would make money off it if they had converted all soul gems to grand.

From memory tyhe cheapest empty soul gem was 9 gold. i believe Grand empty gems were 121, now grand are 50 gold... considering they reduced the cost of grand soul gems by over half and effectively screwing over anyone who bought empty grand soul gems just before the release of one tamriel i really see it as a non-issue to convert all gems to grand.

I from time to time buy empty gems and then charge em up and sell, and always undercut while also checking vendors often enough, they barely move. so i doubt ZOS were really worried about someone becoming an instant billionaire buying empty petty soul gems.

I see it more as a case of the loading screen tool tip "the level of a group dungeon is always based off the level of the group leader" still being there after one tamriel and that ZOS forgot to even consider it.

UrQuan · November 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I still want to know why Zeni didn't just convert ALL Soul Gems to Grand for One Tamriel. $:\$

The only reason I can think of is that maybe they were concerned people would spend all of their gold buying up empty petty soul gems from vendors, then turn around and sell them all as grand soul gems after the conversion to One Tamriel. I suppose if enough people did that it could really ruin the economy.

How? I never see anyone try to buy gems, and their timer doesn't reset to 30 days so they aren't being bought and re stocked and the multiples of guild vendors i did check.

Even one time when i asked zone chat on ps4 where i could find a NPC merchant selling empty gems they misunderstood my intent and instead were explaining it's not worth buying (full ones) and gave me some..

There are NPC vendors that sell empty soul gems. They used to sell ones of appropriate level to the zones that they were in (although I'm not actually sure if there were any that sold petty ones). You buy up the empty ones, fill them, wait for them to convert to grand soul gems, and then sell them back to vendors at a profit. I don't know exactly what empty petty soul gems would have cost, but I'm pretty sure it was less than the 30 gold that you can sell a full grand soul gem to a vendor for, so that's how you would make money off it if they had converted all soul gems to grand.

From memory tyhe cheapest empty soul gem was 9 gold. i believe Grand empty gems were 121, now grand are 50 gold... considering they reduced the cost of grand soul gems by over half and effectively screwing over anyone who bought empty grand soul gems just before the release of one tamriel i really see it as a non-issue to convert all gems to grand.

I from time to time buy empty gems and then charge em up and sell, and always undercut while also checking vendors often enough, they barely move. so i doubt ZOS were really worried about someone becoming an instant billionaire buying empty petty soul gems.

I see it more as a case of the loading screen tool tip "the level of a group dungeon is always based off the level of the group leader" still being there after one tamriel and that ZOS forgot to even consider it.

OK, so if the cheapest empty soul gem prior to the change was 9 gold, consider this example. I'm usually sitting on around 750K to 1 million gold (and I know there are a lot of people who have way more gold than me). If I were to spend 750K on empty 9 gold soul gems, fill them, and vendor them when they've converted to grand soul gems, then I would have just turned that 750K into 2.5 million gold.

If a bunch of people who actually have a lot of gold (ie. people with significantly more gold than me) did that, it would mean many millions getting pumped into the economy out of nowhere. Would it cause as much damage as the duplication exploit way back? Nope, but it would still cause a significant shift in the economy and guild store prices.

Narvuntien · November 2016

I did as well, well i bought "greater soul gems". I just typed in soul gems and bought the cheapest set because i have only been playing two weeks and didn't even realise there were more than one type of soul gem at some point.

Why is it even possible to list and sell these useless gems anyway? why haven't they been prevented from selling them?

Please Zenimax can you give me back my gold pls... it isn't really that much gold I just think this punishes new players terribly.

okay sure it would break the economy if petty gems were suddenly grand, doesn't explain why they can still be sold in guild markets... or sold/traded to anyone other than the in game stores.

Zuuman · November 2016

Some people stack on them in a form of memento, in a year or two itll be fun to show off Petty soul gem in chat. Outside of this i agree that selling them ad a scam is sad, but at the same time qhat keeps you from buying a generic lvl 30 blue gear for way more than what its worth because as a new player you thought it would be good on your toon.

Korah_Eaglecry · November 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I still want to know why Zeni didn't just convert ALL Soul Gems to Grand for One Tamriel. $:\$

The only reason I can think of is that maybe they were concerned people would spend all of their gold buying up empty petty soul gems from vendors, then turn around and sell them all as grand soul gems after the conversion to One Tamriel. I suppose if enough people did that it could really ruin the economy.

Or it was absolutely over looked just like how as a Crafter youre going to have a hard time finding mats for appropriate levels below your level and where your skill points are.

Egonieser · November 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

I still have stacks of those old gems. In fact, i always pick them up when i see them in the wild.

They go nicely with all my OLD mats and my stash of Lire runes ...

When you pick up old gems from the overworld, even if it says petty or anything else, upon pickup it transforms into grand, so you can't actually pick anything else except grand anymore. The only time you would have anything else is if you had some old ones in your bags, which you can still use to recharge enchantment.

X3ina · November 2016

Sold 1k grand soul gems in one of my trading guilds few days ago. Listed it for 5k/stack ... i'm such a sucker

Hallothiel · November 2016

Aha. This explains (sort of) why I could not charge the staff of a low level alt, and why the mystic I went to only had grand soul gems which really confused & annoyed me at the time.

But does that now mean those filled whatever gems from before 1T are useless? It does not seem that they can even be used up in partial charging.....

UrQuan · November 2016

Hallothiel wrote: »

Aha. This explains (sort of) why I could not charge the staff of a low level alt, and why the mystic I went to only had grand soul gems which really confused & annoyed me at the time.

But does that now mean those filled whatever gems from before 1T are useless? It does not seem that they can even be used up in partial charging.....

Yup, they became vendor trash with the update (I seem to remember that the price vendors will buy them for increased, but I could be making that up). Can't be used for anything else. Well, other than scamming newbies, but there's a special level of hell for people who do that. The level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theatre.

Vifen · November 2016

Wait a bit and it'll be collector item. I still have old drippings in my bank! (if anyone remembers that) and that's also how cyro camps came back too.

Skcarkden · November 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

Aha. This explains (sort of) why I could not charge the staff of a low level alt, and why the mystic I went to only had grand soul gems which really confused & annoyed me at the time.

But does that now mean those filled whatever gems from before 1T are useless? It does not seem that they can even be used up in partial charging.....

Yup, they became vendor trash with the update (I seem to remember that the price vendors will buy them for increased, but I could be making that up). Can't be used for anything else. Well, other than scamming newbies, but there's a special level of hell for people who do that. The level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theatre.

It's not really scamming if Zeni have an oversight and failed to convert them to prevent from being sold.