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Can someone explain immersion?
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LaiTash✭✭✭Immersion is when a Khajiit speaks "this one blah blah", and Saxhleel "erect spine of blah blah". And 95% of Khajiits I saw in game are like " U w00t m8". Saxhleels are even worse, they are like "l2p, that cancer give me aids" and similar. Not to mention Orsimers that do not bring any forge wifes with them, it is really immersion breaking to the point that I run as ww lord being a vampire.
Most orsimer can't have a forge wife.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Immersion is when a Khajiit speaks "this one blah blah", and Saxhleel "erect spine of blah blah". And 95% of Khajiits I saw in game are like " U w00t m8". Saxhleels are even worse, they are like "l2p, that cancer give me aids" and similar. Not to mention Orsimers that do not bring any forge wifes with them, it is really immersion breaking to the point that I run as ww lord being a vampire.
Most orsimer can't have a forge wife.
Why do they even live then?0 -
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✭Immersion is in the eye of the Beholder. It is also a tired argument used in internet debates when someone does not have a point to make but wants to make one anyway.
For the rest of us, Immersion is really a Suspension of Disbelief. Can we believe we are in the game world that is right in front of us on the monitor? If we can, then we are immersed. Anything that comes along and makes us wonder why it is there and how it does not fit in the game world can break this immersion. The threshold for that varies among people. What people need to be immersed also varies, for some it is photo realism, for others, it is the game elements look like they belong together. There are probably as many things or combo's of things are there are gamers. Heck, some people can get immersed playing Risk or Monopoly.
Pretty much perfectly put.
If you were fully immersed, someone talking to you in the outside world you'd be oblivious to...or you would have to make a real conscious effort to tear yourself away from the game and give them (the real world) attention...rather than devoting all that attention to the game world.
There are somethings within the game that simply tear you away from being deeply immersed into the game.
You look around, scratch your head....the illusion/spell that the game has over you is broken.
Its in game things that break that spell that are immersion breaking.
Think of it like the matrix had to be built many time...because it failed...because people simply wouldnt/couldnt accept it.
That is why they tried to remove all HUD form the UI.
Because a HUD is a real world thing...not a game world thing.Edited by Rune_Relic on November 4, 2016 11:09AMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited0 -
raj72616a✭✭✭✭✭say, if you have to struggle over whether Valaste should go with Uncle Sheo or be cured, you might be immersed. if all you can care about is how you should spend the 2 skill points, you probably dont find the game immersive1 -
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✭"Immersion" is the entity that destroyed this game from day 1. So many problems stem from this game's severe identity crisis. It wants to cater to Skyrim Dragonborn wannabes and elite, hard-core ftwwtfbbql2pgitgud crowds at the same time to the point it's half baked and is neither of those.
Their vision on what this game should be seems to change every update, but thank God they are scrapping this "immersion" nonsense and taking a more practical approach. Better late than never I guess.Sometimes, I dream about...cheese...
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✭alexandrutenhove wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »Color me dumb, but I have no idea what the view is on immersion.
My thoughts are, lore breaking, or something following along those lines, I get maybe the lightning kitty and some poly morphs, but I honestly have no idea on how you the players view immersion.
I have seen comments about all the skeletons running around were breaking "immersion". I have seen comments about the massive amounts of players at dolmens or world bosses breaking "immersion".
If anyone can help me out on this I would appreciate it.
U are lucky that i didnt pass you by with my hugh mungus giant fat orc in a weddingdressThePaleItalian wrote: »alexandrutenhove wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »Color me dumb, but I have no idea what the view is on immersion.
My thoughts are, lore breaking, or something following along those lines, I get maybe the lightning kitty and some poly morphs, but I honestly have no idea on how you the players view immersion.
I have seen comments about all the skeletons running around were breaking "immersion". I have seen comments about the massive amounts of players at dolmens or world bosses breaking "immersion".
If anyone can help me out on this I would appreciate it.
U are lucky that i didnt pass you by with my hugh mungus giant fat orc in a weddingdress
You are lucky, I would have Ring of Mara's that A$$ in a heartbeat.
marry me
I will... over and under bite babies forever!!!Conan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
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✭Curragraigue wrote: »This thread is breaking my forum immersion. It needs more wild accusations, everything is broken or PUGs suck. Reasonable questions have no place here
So did I like break the forum?? Quick someone throw in a tin foil hat comment!!!Conan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
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Not everyone wants to powerplay. Actually there was a time when powerplaying viewed as a cancerous practice by the majority. Because, yeah, mah immersun was important. Too bad the cancer won and immersion is no longer something that's taken seriously neither by devs nor by players.
Pretty much just repeated what I said. Make your character sub par as you want to for example wear a ten piece set as it looks nice and immerses you.
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Jemcrystal✭✭✭✭✭Answer to OP is there is no answer. You will have to decide for yourself what your immersion levels are.
I question myself, "Am I playing a game or have I joined a role playing chat room?" Pretty sure I purchased a "game." To game or to role play: there is no such thing as having the best of both. Sacrifices are made to have everything together. The game would overload (think launch of FFXIV before they gutted it). If you truly want all out RP then return to the drawing board and design a chat room fully focused on immersion or become a cosplayer.
That said, I will tell you what breaks immersion for me. No furniture animations. I want to sit in chairs. I want to use plates and sporks. I want to set the table. I want to wash dishes. I want to *** in the garderobe loo! Why do I never chafe when wearing armor? When can I rent a warm bathhouse instead of standing under cold waterfalls!?
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✭Immersion can be quickly explained at home.
All you need is:
1. Toaster
2. Bathtub
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Rouven✭✭✭✭✭
✭WalksonGraves wrote: »Immersion can be quickly explained at home.
All you need is:
1. Toaster
2. Bathtub
Science makes learning fun!
I believe you are looking for submersion, remember, if you change letters in words you most likely get something else, which might be a word too! (hehe)
As for the topic - I've seen this a long time ago, maybe someone here likes it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evQsOFQju08
Edit: So in short - I'm not sure how to explain immersion.Edited by Rouven on November 4, 2016 3:00PMReal stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. ~ Terry Pratchett0 -
ThePaleItalian✭✭✭✭✭
✭Jemcrystal wrote: »Answer to OP is there is no answer. You will have to decide for yourself what your immersion levels are.
I question myself, "Am I playing a game or have I joined a role playing chat room?" Pretty sure I purchased a "game." To game or to role play: there is no such thing as having the best of both. Sacrifices are made to have everything together. The game would overload (think launch of FFXIV before they gutted it). If you truly want all out RP then return to the drawing board and design a chat room fully focused on immersion or become a cosplayer.
That said, I will tell you what breaks immersion for me. No furniture animations. I want to sit in chairs. I want to use plates and sporks. I want to set the table. I want to wash dishes. I want to *** in the garderobe loo! Why do I never chafe when wearing armor? When can I rent a warm bathhouse instead of standing under cold waterfalls!?
I honestly never thought of immersion before. I just like the game with its ups and downs and whatnot. I get different strokes for different folks.
I just always saw it used in arguments. Even one reply in this thread had...."Dey took my immersion"Conan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
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✭SquareSausage wrote: »Immersion is the excuse crap players use for underperforming at the game.
Not everyone wants to powerplay. Actually there was a time when powerplaying viewed as a cancerous practice by the majority. Because, yeah, mah immersun was important. Too bad the cancer won and immersion is no longer something that's taken seriously neither by devs nor by players.
I don't remember this time and have been playing mmo's since mmo's first came around. Maybe that is how you view it but I wouldn't say the majority ever did.0 -
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✭SquareSausage wrote: »Immersion is the excuse crap players use for underperforming at the game.
Not everyone wants to powerplay. Actually there was a time when powerplaying viewed as a cancerous practice by the majority. Because, yeah, mah immersun was important. Too bad the cancer won and immersion is no longer something that's taken seriously neither by devs nor by players.
What is "powerplay"? I figured the majority wanted to become stronger and obtain better gear and find ways to wreak people in PvP.Conan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
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Damn kids and your fancy lingo.Conan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
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Smitch_59✭✭✭✭✭Immersion is what gets broken whenever I turn on zone chat.By Azura, by Azura, by Azura!0
