Still no auction house, seriously??

Vekoeros · November 2016

A lot of games tried AH'S and did away with them because an inevitable part of AH"S is the corruption of the market by those who already have an insane amount of money, they manipulate the market and every item you might want has been bought and priced way above an amount that is actually reasonable.

Therefor guild traders are a better idea as it allows for a more diverse economy

Iselin · November 2016

Vekoeros wrote: »

A lot of games tried AH'S and did away with them because an inevitable part of AH"S is the corruption of the market by those who already have an insane amount of money, they manipulate the market and every item you might want has been bought and priced way above an amount that is actually reasonable.

Therefor guild traders are a better idea as it allows for a more diverse economy

Which MMOs did away with them? None that I know of.

Abeille · November 2016

I don't dislike the guild trader system, but boy I hate the UI.

I use the Awesome Guild Store addon to make it bearable. I mean, really? Not even text search? Are you kidding me? Who approved this UI?

I feel so sorry for console people. I wish ZOS would integrate the addon to the base game like they did with Lootdrop.

Baconfat79 · November 2016

I don't mind the current system from a seller's perspective. I list my stuff and it sells just fine. What annoys me is that when I want to buy an uncommon item (or get the best deal on a common item), I have to waste 45 minutes travelling around searching trader after trader. I would love to be able to just do one search and call it a day. I want to play ESO, not Shopping Mall Simulator.

Iselin · November 2016

Baconfat79 wrote: »

I don't mind the current system from a seller's perspective. I list my stuff and it sells just fine. What annoys me is that when I want to buy an uncommon item (or get the best deal on a common item), I have to waste 45 minutes travelling around searching trader after trader. I would love to be able to just do one search and call it a day. I want to play ESO, not Shopping Mall Simulator.

Not only that but the damn filters in the UI reset every time you open a new guild store. Would it really be so hard for the filter to stay set to the last thing you looked for until you reset it yourself?

VoidBlue · November 2016

I'd enjoy atleast a search feature, that could happily show me the location of the guild trader who has the item I want. (Possibly the price of it as well)

I dislike having to travel 50 places to only find no one has it.

thisisScoMan · November 2016

If you want to have an auction house, then play a game that has an auction house.

Maybe not EVERY game should be identical. Because then what's the point?

I like the current system.

Reverb · November 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

The majority of eso players do just fine with the existing trade system (especially since zeni stopped sabotaging bids with the maintenance time). The majority of people who want an AH just because they're used to it from other games and don't want to adapt to a different structure.

I like most of the ways that ESO chooses to differentiate themselves from mmo generica - the guild stores instead of auction house, the lack of player inspection, the decision (so far) not to put advantage-giving weapons and gear in tbe cash shop.

L2Adapt

And what is a majority? How can you possibly speak on behalf of "the majority"?

If you cant make a comment without making things up. You should probably not make the comment.

Aww, aren't you adorable? And your little hands, so cute, so adept at grasping at straws and hurling insults rather than making a coherent statement on your own position.

*pats @Korah_Eaglecry on the head and walks away*

rager82b14_ESO · November 2016

thisisScoMan wrote: »

If you want to have an auction house, then play a game that has an auction house.

Maybe not EVERY game should be identical. Because then what's the point?

I like the current system.

No, we will just give feedback and hopes that they change the system for what we like while keeping some of the things what you want. This feedback has been going on for years, and will keep going.

Pallmor · November 2016

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

It is painfully obvious, OP has no clue how to trade, its a acquired skill.

Lol, I've been playing since launch and have been in many trade guilds. I know exactly how to trade, I just find it a tedious and annoying process, especially as a casual player who just wants to come in an play the game without dedicating my life to it week after week. The last trade guild I was in required 5K/week dues just to keep its trade merchant.

I just want to come in and play the game and auction some rare items without having to track down and get into a decent trade guild and without having to pay weekly dues just so they can keep a vendor from week-to-week. I can do that in Neverwinter and most other MMO's. I get a rare drop, I put it in the Auction House, I sell it. Easy Peasy. But in ESO you can only sell if you're in a trade guild (and only get the best prices if you're in one of the better ones).

Not in a decent trade guild? Tough luck, pal. You can't sell at all.

The existing system in ESO works great for a select few. And it doesn't work at all for everyone else.

Korah_Eaglecry · November 2016

Reverb wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

The majority of eso players do just fine with the existing trade system (especially since zeni stopped sabotaging bids with the maintenance time). The majority of people who want an AH just because they're used to it from other games and don't want to adapt to a different structure.

I like most of the ways that ESO chooses to differentiate themselves from mmo generica - the guild stores instead of auction house, the lack of player inspection, the decision (so far) not to put advantage-giving weapons and gear in tbe cash shop.

L2Adapt

And what is a majority? How can you possibly speak on behalf of "the majority"?

If you cant make a comment without making things up. You should probably not make the comment.

Aww, aren't you adorable? And your little hands, so cute, so adept at grasping at straws and hurling insults rather than making a coherent statement on your own position.

*pats @Korah_Eaglecry on the head and walks away*

There was nothing in my comment that was an insult. But it seems you felt the need to throw insults around. Im not sure what you mean by grasping at straws as nothing in my comment needed to be "grasped".

After your "L2Adapt" comment Im not really shocked at the lack of self awareness and irony in your response.

Kronosphere · November 2016

All I request is a npc that has the function of letting me search for a specific item, it shows me a list of the item and price from EVERY guild trader, i cant purchase it directly from this menu but i can now get directions to the trader that has the item ive chosen. simple, fixed. best of both worlds, more normalized prices. everyone happy. keeps current system.

LaiTash · November 2016

Pallmor wrote: »

I just came back to ESO after having been off playing Neverwinter for a long time, and I forgot the most annoying aspect of this game: no auction house. So I'm sitting on a pile of purple and gold loot with no way to sell it unless I find a trade guild.

I forgot how much it SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS to play an MMO without an auction house, or any sort of decent trade system for us casual players to sell our stuff. Guess I'll have to sell my rare motifs, recipes, and sets to a freaking vendor for 17 gold. Woo hoo!!

Well, a least ESO finally got events--after just 2.5 years. Maybe by sometime in 2020, they'll add an option for us to trade stuff too.

You can have 5 guilds in this game. I've joined 2 trading guilds during the first week. Usually they don't have any outstanding requirements for joining, so what's the problem?

Auction house is bad for economy, bad for mah immersun, bad for everything. Especially when you have a set piece dropping from every little ***. Trust me, in ESO, you have way better chances of selling something for a honest price with guild vendors than with auction house.

idk · November 2016

@Pallmor

Instead of complaining about the design of the game, get with the program that MOST players in the game clearly work well with (clearly only a small population seem to not like it), or move on. Rage posts seem to be just that.

OMG, glad we do not have the boring, overly used, stale central AH/TH. Mostly glad we do not have the most lame design of all, a central trading house.

Certainly have to say I enjoy having a trading system more like EverQuest and SWG.

Rohamad_Ali · November 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Pallmor

Instead of complaining about the design of the game, get with the program that MOST players in the game clearly work well with (clearly only a small population seem to not like it), or move on. Rage posts seem to be just that.

OMG, glad we do not have the boring, overly used, stale central AH/TH. Mostly glad we do not have the most lame design of all, a central trading house.

Certainly have to say I enjoy having a trading system more like EverQuest and SWG.

Personal home vendors was so fun . The search function was so well made in those games .

Talyena · November 2016

Funny that the only place I see people defending this broken system is on the message boards. SWG had a far superior system long ago. Even EQ's system back in 99 was better because the players all agreed on one zone as the primary trading zone.

Fortunately it's easy enough to make money in this game so I don't have to take a second job going from zone to zone searching the traders. If it is something that is droppable that I want I farm for it, and if I get something I don't need I sell it to a vendor or break it down. I don't like the system so I don't support the system and I learn to play without it because I don't think they will ever improve the system.

DHale · November 2016

I don't want an auction house, never will.... back to neverwinter.

idk · November 2016

@Talyena

Funny, the only place I see anyone complain about the great system ESO has is in rare short lived threads.

Seems only a minority do not like it, which not everyone likes everything.

rager82b14_ESO · November 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Talyena

Funny, the only place I see anyone complain about the great system ESO has is in rare short lived threads.

Seems only a minority do not like it, which not everyone likes everything.

I see people upset about it in chat all the time. Most people just accept it, but only the forums I see a very small amount of people like it. Over the years many ideas to make it better has came out. Most of us agree the AH system is the weakest part of this game.

idk · November 2016

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Talyena

Funny, the only place I see anyone complain about the great system ESO has is in rare short lived threads.

Seems only a minority do not like it, which not everyone likes everything.

I see people upset about it in chat all the time. Most people just accept it, but only the forums I see a very small amount of people like it. Over the years many ideas to make it better has came out. Most of us agree the AH system is the weakest part of this game.

People are more likely to voice complaints rather than the other way around. It is why the forum has a high degree of complaint threads. Also why IRL we see people protesting something, rarely a march saying we like everything as it is.

Just human nature.

LaiTash · November 2016

Hluill wrote: »

And now that they have all these freakin' dropped sets, why can't I search for those?

Last time i've spent about 40 minutes looking for two dropped sets i needed for my build. If you thing 40 minutes trying to find something you will be using probably for months too much, then well...

There should be a builtin local search function, of course, like the one PC addons provide. Dunno why zeni did not implement one yet.

nine9six · November 2016

Making money is no issue. Finding items without spending all night is.

Guild Traders Suck.

Astanphaeus · November 2016

I would hate it if a global auction house was implemented. The system we have provides a guild dynamic that I find very much enjoyable and keeps prices for items more diverse than you see in a global AH.

That said, the UI sucks. Like on a scale of a well designed UI to it was made by a kindergartner, we are looking to see where they hired a preschooler. Go hire the person who created Awesome Guildstore and fire whoever designed this UI.

But the main point is still that the Guild Traders is an awesome unique system, an thankfully they are never going to get rid of it. If you can't get over that, well then, Bye Felicia.

Talyena · November 2016

Astanphaeus wrote: »

I would hate it if a global auction house was implemented. The system we have provides a guild dynamic that I find very much enjoyable and keeps prices for items more diverse than you see in a global AH.

That said, the UI sucks. Like on a scale of a well designed UI to it was made by a kindergartner, we are looking to see where they hired a preschooler. Go hire the person who created Awesome Guildstore and fire whoever designed this UI.

But the main point is still that the Guild Traders is an awesome unique system, an thankfully they are never going to get rid of it. If you can't get over that, well then, Bye Felicia.

Because it would be so awesome for the game if everyone who thinks the current system sucks would just quit...?

Astanphaeus · November 2016

Talyena wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

I would hate it if a global auction house was implemented. The system we have provides a guild dynamic that I find very much enjoyable and keeps prices for items more diverse than you see in a global AH.

That said, the UI sucks. Like on a scale of a well designed UI to it was made by a kindergartner, we are looking to see where they hired a preschooler. Go hire the person who created Awesome Guildstore and fire whoever designed this UI.

But the main point is still that the Guild Traders is an awesome unique system, an thankfully they are never going to get rid of it. If you can't get over that, well then, Bye Felicia.

Because it would be so awesome for the game if everyone who thinks the current system sucks would just quit...?

The ones who can't get over it, yeah.

RavenSworn · November 2016

But this game has MANY AH. Its a question whether you want to join the guilds or not. Its hard work initially but once you're setup... you're set up. You literally can sell your items from any banker all over tamriel even if your 'AH' is at Elden Root.

And there are guild traders all over Tamriel, and its really amazing you can reach out to travellers or adventurers who perhaps want to finish up that piece of armor set.

The UI though, yeap, like all those posted before: IT SUCKS. the system? Nope. Its fine.

Vipstaakki · November 2016

There will NEVER EVER be an auction house. Stop asking for it.

You know why? We have tons of polls to show people prefer guild traders over auction house.
We even have ZOS directly saying that Auction house will never come to Tamriel.

Let it go. Stop beating the dead horse.

kargen27 · November 2016

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

There is multiple ways to trade stuff. Trade button with people in towns, cod, join a guild. Now that I have told you how to trade you can finally sell your stuff.

Yeah, I'll stand on a street corner in Mournhold spamming chat with dozens of items for the next week or so. That's way better than any auction house.

There ya go, that's the spirit. No need for an easily manipulated auction house when you can just sell what you want when you want for an agreed to price without worry of outside price influences.

That is stupid, MMOS having taken steps forward from tedious dull elements such as this. We accept the AH system like this. Does not mean we like it. Not having a global AH is one of the major flaws of this game for many people.

For many people in the game traders scattered around the world are a welcome aspect to the game. They actually like having to search for the bargains or the gear. You get a sense of accomplishment finding that last recipe you need for the final motif to complete a gear set.

The only thing the auction house offers is convenience of everything being in one place. That isn't enough for what you sacrifice. To easy to control prices when everything is in one place.

SublimeSparo · November 2016

Current system is annoying and global system with anti-corruption rules would work better imho.
As for people saying there would be price manipulation, that is already possible- a small group of people manipulated the price of columbine on pc eu raising the price by around 100g so that argument is totally flawed, and with certain trade rules/restrictions could be limited in a global system

kwisatz · November 2016

Pallmor wrote: »

Did it ever occur to you that the reason that other MMO's have auction houses is that they work and players like them?

Actually, for the very first time I have fun buying and selling in a MMO.

AH are boring and monopole friendly.
And please stop wanting ESO to be "like any other MMO". We love it precisely because it's not like any other MMO!