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So you don't want to play part of the game but you want what's in it?

Fine. I'll take a raid instance with no mobs and just loot piñatas everywhere.

This is hypocrisy. The PvE players in Cyrodiil still have to do PvE content. Quests, bosses, anchors etc. There will be no piñatas in pure PvE campaign.

There's no hypocrisy just a point about how there are many bits of content locked behind different activities (even more so with all the new BOP sets in specific dungeons.) You can only get some things in the IC, some just in trials, etc

The skyshards in Cyrodiil are meant to be gotten by doing the Cyrodiil content - and that includes the possibility of being killed by another player. A no PVP Cyrodiil instance is just as ridiculous as my trial loot example.

Well actually a no PvP Cyrodil and Imperial City aren't silly at all considering the rest of the world plays together and gets along just fine.
Actually Cyrodil should have PvP, and non-PvP campaigns because everyone doesn't want to do PvP.
Just like anyone now can duel in PvE zones

Duels... lol. Trade you a no PVP Cyrodiil and IC for a PVP everywhere Tamriel. Deal?

Yes there are different parts to this game that don't appeal to some... just deal with it.

I'm no asking for any trade nor is that of any interest to me but look at what you're saying and what we are saying.

You want a PvP game everywhere.
We want a PvE game everywhere.

But you're saying...deal with it

No one is saying No you can't have a phased or different PvP experience. So why would you say deal with it as I don't want PvP or even duels so I'm forced to change my settings but I'm still blocked by other duelers from doing stuff cause they choose to duel on top of NPCs in towns.

It seems pretty obvious that the game would benefit from a PvE server and a PvE server or phasing whatever they do.
It makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. Deal with it, makes absolutely no sense especially for the PvE conversation.

But let's actually look at where the shads are located in Cyrodil and Imperial City.
You actually have to go to contested or challenged areas to collect them all. You can't avoid PvP even in a dead zone cause you're literally at enemy keeps and towns

No I actually do not want PVP everywhere. I was just saying that to emphasize the point. I prefer and have always preferred this DAoC-like system of separate PVP zones.

What I don't do is complain about not having access to things that are locked behind content I chose not to do. That's the whole point here.

ESO is a rich world because it has content that appeals to different tastes. Whining about not having the things others have access to, and asking for it to be modified according to my taste is not something I would ever do. But then, I'm old like that.

@Iselin

That doesn't emphasize a point if you're making empty comments. It causes me to read it and dismiss most of what you're writing because now it's pointless to write anything that's outside of reason in context to what's being discussed.

The topic is specifically about collecting skyshards in a PvP only zone. To suggest to go to a dead or less populated zone and collect sky shards in context and under the actual understanding of where these are located which many are in contested areas, doesn't offer any solutions.

I played DAOC and while I enjoyed the game, it's not an accurate comparison. There were not PvE skill points locked in the frontier in DAOC. Also no one is complaining about not doing content. They situation is they (we) are trying to do content that by design forces us to PvP. PvP is not the content, PvP is the situation this content forces.

The content we are seeking are the skyshards that produce skill points.

And while your comments suggest people are whinning....(looks around) I don't see that here in my comments so let's not generalize. People are looking for realistic alternatives and in context to thaat discussion feedback provides the idea that a PvE Cyrodil makes a viable solution to the dilemma. The context is the game is now One Tamriel which means the faction based boarders were removed except for Cyrodil and Imperial City zones.

Skill points? Dude, we're talking about 5 out of 300+. You get one hell of a lot more skill points in Cyrodiil by PVPing there. Fretting about those is petty in the extreme - especially now that you can go anywhere at every level. Hell I have CP400+ characters that PVP and have never even bothered to get all the Cyrodiil skyshards... and they have tons of unspent skill points.

Suggesting a PVE Cyrodiil instance for those measly 15 skyshards is nothing more than misguided entitlement mentality by the PVP-phobic.

@Iselin
There's actually a total of 46 skyshards in Cyrodil alone not counting Imperial City.

Outside of skyshards there are the public dungeons, dolemans generals and daily quests for PvE

I don't think you really understand what you're talking about.

We're all talking about the same thing: content some don't want to do as designed but they want it redesigned so they don't miss out on the rewards.

@Iselin

It's not all the same if you're giving input with an incorrect understanding or lacking factual information.
And people aren't saying they don't want to go to Cyrodil, they are saying they don't want to be forced to PvP in Cyrodil so I don't think you're understanding is in context to the discussion.

That's how your comments read to me.

No that's your spin. People are saying they want the rewards of content they don't want to do. "forced to PVP" "forced to group" "forced to do quests" "forced to do veteran dungeons"... it's all the same entitled idiotic mentality. No one is "forcing" you to do anything. You just need to choose what parts of the game you want to play and learn to be content with the consequences of your choices..

@Iselin
It's not a spin it's how you're choosing to interpret. People are saying they don't want to be forced to PvP. They are saying they want to do the content without forced PvP. They aren't saying they want the rewards without ever stepping into Cyrodil or Imperial City.

And it is not all the same. Again that's is your interpretation which I'm hoping to correct.
Also please do not tell me what content I need to do as I've paid for all content and as stated above, took the suggestions and have run into problems because of some of the highly contested areas in both Cyrodil and Imperial city.

I've even joined group of others who wanted to complete this stuff many times but largely those will be a mix of PvE and PvP players which again result in similar challenges for contested areas.

If you have viable suggestions we welcome those but the ones given aren't viable in actual practice.

"They aren't saying they want the rewards without ever stepping into Cyrodil or Imperial City." No, just a modified version of it free from "forced PVP." What part of this being exactly the same as making solo versions of the veteran dungeons so you can get a monster mask are you not understanding? Or do you think that solo veteran dungeons would also be a good thing?

@Iselin

Go back and read through again....
Are you in too many conversations as no one has said anything about not wanting to do Cyrodil or IC. They point have wrote a few times asking how to do the content and avoid PvP. You understand PvP is not a zone and it's not content, it's when a Player versus Player happens which is dueling, Cyrodil and Imperial City which means PvP is a choice in some zones and not others.

What the heck does doing a verteran dungeon solo have to do with any of this?
Nothing because if you're suggesting people that only PvP have to solo a veteran dungeon, that's not forced as you can buy those from the PvP vendors.

See here's the issue you're not maybe aware of.
PvP players can go PvP almost anywhere, they can get items via PvP currency and also gain skills points whenever and wherever they'd like.

PvE players cannot unless they enter PvP zones which if you actually go in dead campaigns and test and don't PvP ever, you'll understand that you have to do some PvP to get to all the shards. To get to the quests, to complete the public dungeons or delves in PvP zones.

I have a better idea. You go back and read just one post, the one that started this thread.

@Iselin

I did...comments above I'm telling you that your interpretations are off. You have gone off on your own thing
The OP literally has comments pages back to try the dead campaigns

No one other than you is talking about veteran dungeons.

Are you in more than one conversation by chance?

No just one conversation. A rather bizarre one with you.

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Would it be too much to ask for a war/allinace free instance for us PvE players to collect our Sky Shards in Cyrolag and complete the NPC quests there, if instancing is not possible how about a war-free token from the Crown Store. I know I'm lame in PvP as I'm more oriented towards PvE as a non hardcore casual player who plays for enjoyment

Thoughts anyone? ZOS Please?

"war/allinace free instance"
"war-free token from the Crown Store"

Which parts of what the OP was asking for are you having trouble understanding?

As to how this is similar to people who do not want to group for a veteran dungeon for a monster mask asking for a solo version of the dungeon so they can get one without doing the content as designed.... do I really need to explain that to you?

@Iselin

You are waaaaaayy off base and lack understanding and comprehension

Read it! It point blanks asks for them to be able to do the CONTENT without PvP. It says IF ....again... IF ITS NOT POSSIBLE to phase or have a PvE campaign to allow them to buy a York from the crown store. The token is an ANTI-PvP token so others can't kill or attack them while they do PvE content

I'm not having any trouble understanding, you're just completely mis-interpreting the entire thread as seen by all of your comments.

MAN!!!!

People just are asking for ways to do content without having to pvP.
There's nothing else there so your whole exaggerations are waaay off base

There is absolutely no relation of this thread to any group content whether it's veteran or not but just so you understand and that's what I've been pointing out to you all along you lack understanding of what you're talking about.

People already solo veteran content (actual vet dungeons)

Do you comprehend it all now?

No need for your passive aggressiveness or capital hysterics lol.

Here... I''ll just add a few little word to one of your own sentences so maybe you can understand what is actually being said.

"People just are asking for ways to do content IN A PVP ZONE without having to pvP."

It's a ridiculous self-entitled notion.

@Iselin

No it's not ridiculous but it is very self entitled for you to say that others requesting a non-PvP experience for PvE content is self entitled after the developers redesigned the entire rest of the game to remove factions from PvE.

For whoever reason you're unable to understand that's all they are asking. It's no different than what One Tamriel offers. They aren't even asking in any way to take away from your PvP experiences.

What's selfish

And do you even understand that PvP is an acronym for player vs player ?
The zone has PvE which is player vs NPCs so the person offers the idea to a token. The token is only keeping them in a PvE state of being in Cyrodil and Imperial City which are all PvE content but where PvP is allowed.

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Suggesting a PVE Cyrodiil instance for those measly 15 skyshards is nothing more than misguided entitlement mentality by the PVP-phobic.

If there was a winner in this argument, then Iselin takes the gold belt xD

@Alucardo

Naah cause this dude has no idea what they're even talking about.

It's over 46 skyshards in Cyrodil alone. Not sure this person even has read and understood the OP correctly.

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So you don't want to play part of the game but you want what's in it?

Fine. I'll take a raid instance with no mobs and just loot piñatas everywhere.

This is hypocrisy. The PvE players in Cyrodiil still have to do PvE content. Quests, bosses, anchors etc. There will be no piñatas in pure PvE campaign.

There's no hypocrisy just a point about how there are many bits of content locked behind different activities (even more so with all the new BOP sets in specific dungeons.) You can only get some things in the IC, some just in trials, etc

The skyshards in Cyrodiil are meant to be gotten by doing the Cyrodiil content - and that includes the possibility of being killed by another player. A no PVP Cyrodiil instance is just as ridiculous as my trial loot example.

Well actually a no PvP Cyrodil and Imperial City aren't silly at all considering the rest of the world plays together and gets along just fine.
Actually Cyrodil should have PvP, and non-PvP campaigns because everyone doesn't want to do PvP.
Just like anyone now can duel in PvE zones

Duels... lol. Trade you a no PVP Cyrodiil and IC for a PVP everywhere Tamriel. Deal?

Yes there are different parts to this game that don't appeal to some... just deal with it.

I'm no asking for any trade nor is that of any interest to me but look at what you're saying and what we are saying.

You want a PvP game everywhere.
We want a PvE game everywhere.

But you're saying...deal with it

No one is saying No you can't have a phased or different PvP experience. So why would you say deal with it as I don't want PvP or even duels so I'm forced to change my settings but I'm still blocked by other duelers from doing stuff cause they choose to duel on top of NPCs in towns.

It seems pretty obvious that the game would benefit from a PvE server and a PvE server or phasing whatever they do.
It makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. Deal with it, makes absolutely no sense especially for the PvE conversation.

But let's actually look at where the shads are located in Cyrodil and Imperial City.
You actually have to go to contested or challenged areas to collect them all. You can't avoid PvP even in a dead zone cause you're literally at enemy keeps and towns

No I actually do not want PVP everywhere. I was just saying that to emphasize the point. I prefer and have always preferred this DAoC-like system of separate PVP zones.

What I don't do is complain about not having access to things that are locked behind content I chose not to do. That's the whole point here.

ESO is a rich world because it has content that appeals to different tastes. Whining about not having the things others have access to, and asking for it to be modified according to my taste is not something I would ever do. But then, I'm old like that.

@Iselin

That doesn't emphasize a point if you're making empty comments. It causes me to read it and dismiss most of what you're writing because now it's pointless to write anything that's outside of reason in context to what's being discussed.

The topic is specifically about collecting skyshards in a PvP only zone. To suggest to go to a dead or less populated zone and collect sky shards in context and under the actual understanding of where these are located which many are in contested areas, doesn't offer any solutions.

I played DAOC and while I enjoyed the game, it's not an accurate comparison. There were not PvE skill points locked in the frontier in DAOC. Also no one is complaining about not doing content. They situation is they (we) are trying to do content that by design forces us to PvP. PvP is not the content, PvP is the situation this content forces.

The content we are seeking are the skyshards that produce skill points.

And while your comments suggest people are whinning....(looks around) I don't see that here in my comments so let's not generalize. People are looking for realistic alternatives and in context to thaat discussion feedback provides the idea that a PvE Cyrodil makes a viable solution to the dilemma. The context is the game is now One Tamriel which means the faction based boarders were removed except for Cyrodil and Imperial City zones.

Skill points? Dude, we're talking about 5 out of 300+. You get one hell of a lot more skill points in Cyrodiil by PVPing there. Fretting about those is petty in the extreme - especially now that you can go anywhere at every level. Hell I have CP400+ characters that PVP and have never even bothered to get all the Cyrodiil skyshards... and they have tons of unspent skill points.

Suggesting a PVE Cyrodiil instance for those measly 15 skyshards is nothing more than misguided entitlement mentality by the PVP-phobic.

@Iselin
There's actually a total of 46 skyshards in Cyrodil alone not counting Imperial City.

Outside of skyshards there are the public dungeons, dolemans generals and daily quests for PvE

I don't think you really understand what you're talking about.

We're all talking about the same thing: content some don't want to do as designed but they want it redesigned so they don't miss out on the rewards.

@Iselin

It's not all the same if you're giving input with an incorrect understanding or lacking factual information.
And people aren't saying they don't want to go to Cyrodil, they are saying they don't want to be forced to PvP in Cyrodil so I don't think you're understanding is in context to the discussion.

That's how your comments read to me.

No that's your spin. People are saying they want the rewards of content they don't want to do. "forced to PVP" "forced to group" "forced to do quests" "forced to do veteran dungeons"... it's all the same entitled idiotic mentality. No one is "forcing" you to do anything. You just need to choose what parts of the game you want to play and learn to be content with the consequences of your choices..

@Iselin
It's not a spin it's how you're choosing to interpret. People are saying they don't want to be forced to PvP. They are saying they want to do the content without forced PvP. They aren't saying they want the rewards without ever stepping into Cyrodil or Imperial City.

And it is not all the same. Again that's is your interpretation which I'm hoping to correct.
Also please do not tell me what content I need to do as I've paid for all content and as stated above, took the suggestions and have run into problems because of some of the highly contested areas in both Cyrodil and Imperial city.

I've even joined group of others who wanted to complete this stuff many times but largely those will be a mix of PvE and PvP players which again result in similar challenges for contested areas.

If you have viable suggestions we welcome those but the ones given aren't viable in actual practice.

"They aren't saying they want the rewards without ever stepping into Cyrodil or Imperial City." No, just a modified version of it free from "forced PVP." What part of this being exactly the same as making solo versions of the veteran dungeons so you can get a monster mask are you not understanding? Or do you think that solo veteran dungeons would also be a good thing?

@Iselin

Go back and read through again....
Are you in too many conversations as no one has said anything about not wanting to do Cyrodil or IC. They point have wrote a few times asking how to do the content and avoid PvP. You understand PvP is not a zone and it's not content, it's when a Player versus Player happens which is dueling, Cyrodil and Imperial City which means PvP is a choice in some zones and not others.

What the heck does doing a verteran dungeon solo have to do with any of this?
Nothing because if you're suggesting people that only PvP have to solo a veteran dungeon, that's not forced as you can buy those from the PvP vendors.

See here's the issue you're not maybe aware of.
PvP players can go PvP almost anywhere, they can get items via PvP currency and also gain skills points whenever and wherever they'd like.

PvE players cannot unless they enter PvP zones which if you actually go in dead campaigns and test and don't PvP ever, you'll understand that you have to do some PvP to get to all the shards. To get to the quests, to complete the public dungeons or delves in PvP zones.

I have a better idea. You go back and read just one post, the one that started this thread.

@Iselin

I did...comments above I'm telling you that your interpretations are off. You have gone off on your own thing
The OP literally has comments pages back to try the dead campaigns

No one other than you is talking about veteran dungeons.

Are you in more than one conversation by chance?

No just one conversation. A rather bizarre one with you.

This is the original post:

Would it be too much to ask for a war/allinace free instance for us PvE players to collect our Sky Shards in Cyrolag and complete the NPC quests there, if instancing is not possible how about a war-free token from the Crown Store. I know I'm lame in PvP as I'm more oriented towards PvE as a non hardcore casual player who plays for enjoyment

Thoughts anyone? ZOS Please?

"war/allinace free instance"
"war-free token from the Crown Store"

Which parts of what the OP was asking for are you having trouble understanding?

As to how this is similar to people who do not want to group for a veteran dungeon for a monster mask asking for a solo version of the dungeon so they can get one without doing the content as designed.... do I really need to explain that to you?

@Iselin

You are waaaaaayy off base and lack understanding and comprehension

Read it! It point blanks asks for them to be able to do the CONTENT without PvP. It says IF ....again... IF ITS NOT POSSIBLE to phase or have a PvE campaign to allow them to buy a York from the crown store. The token is an ANTI-PvP token so others can't kill or attack them while they do PvE content

I'm not having any trouble understanding, you're just completely mis-interpreting the entire thread as seen by all of your comments.

MAN!!!!

People just are asking for ways to do content without having to pvP.
There's nothing else there so your whole exaggerations are waaay off base

There is absolutely no relation of this thread to any group content whether it's veteran or not but just so you understand and that's what I've been pointing out to you all along you lack understanding of what you're talking about.

People already solo veteran content (actual vet dungeons)

Do you comprehend it all now?

No need for your passive aggressiveness or capital hysterics lol.

Here... I''ll just add a few little word to one of your own sentences so maybe you can understand what is actually being said.

"People just are asking for ways to do content IN A PVP ZONE without having to pvP."

It's a ridiculous self-entitled notion.

@Iselin

No it's not ridiculous but it is very self entitled for you to say that others requesting a non-PvP experience for PvE content is self entitled after the developers redesigned the entire rest of the game to remove factions from PvE.

That's right. They designed the entire rest of the world for you... and you're not satisfied with that. What was that you were saying about entitlement?

@Iselin

Maaaannn......it wasn't designed for me. It was designed for all of us dude.

You're way off base and pushing an us vs them rhetoric. ZOS didn't make One Tamriel cause of PvE players. We could already play the stuff, technically it's for the PvP folks who chose a faction and then couldn't do some PvE content.

Please go read up on the game.....you have no idea of what you're talking about. Seriously you don't and are unwilling to even Google before making some of your comments.

So back on topic.

It's a simple ask....can we play the content outside of being forced to PvP. That's it.

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EvilCroc wrote: »

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So you don't want to play part of the game but you want what's in it?

Fine. I'll take a raid instance with no mobs and just loot piñatas everywhere.

This is hypocrisy. The PvE players in Cyrodiil still have to do PvE content. Quests, bosses, anchors etc. There will be no piñatas in pure PvE campaign.

There's no hypocrisy just a point about how there are many bits of content locked behind different activities (even more so with all the new BOP sets in specific dungeons.) You can only get some things in the IC, some just in trials, etc

The skyshards in Cyrodiil are meant to be gotten by doing the Cyrodiil content - and that includes the possibility of being killed by another player. A no PVP Cyrodiil instance is just as ridiculous as my trial loot example.

Well actually a no PvP Cyrodil and Imperial City aren't silly at all considering the rest of the world plays together and gets along just fine.
Actually Cyrodil should have PvP, and non-PvP campaigns because everyone doesn't want to do PvP.
Just like anyone now can duel in PvE zones

Duels... lol. Trade you a no PVP Cyrodiil and IC for a PVP everywhere Tamriel. Deal?

Yes there are different parts to this game that don't appeal to some... just deal with it.

I'm no asking for any trade nor is that of any interest to me but look at what you're saying and what we are saying.

You want a PvP game everywhere.
We want a PvE game everywhere.

But you're saying...deal with it

No one is saying No you can't have a phased or different PvP experience. So why would you say deal with it as I don't want PvP or even duels so I'm forced to change my settings but I'm still blocked by other duelers from doing stuff cause they choose to duel on top of NPCs in towns.

It seems pretty obvious that the game would benefit from a PvE server and a PvE server or phasing whatever they do.
It makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. Deal with it, makes absolutely no sense especially for the PvE conversation.

But let's actually look at where the shads are located in Cyrodil and Imperial City.
You actually have to go to contested or challenged areas to collect them all. You can't avoid PvP even in a dead zone cause you're literally at enemy keeps and towns

No I actually do not want PVP everywhere. I was just saying that to emphasize the point. I prefer and have always preferred this DAoC-like system of separate PVP zones.

What I don't do is complain about not having access to things that are locked behind content I chose not to do. That's the whole point here.

ESO is a rich world because it has content that appeals to different tastes. Whining about not having the things others have access to, and asking for it to be modified according to my taste is not something I would ever do. But then, I'm old like that.

@Iselin

That doesn't emphasize a point if you're making empty comments. It causes me to read it and dismiss most of what you're writing because now it's pointless to write anything that's outside of reason in context to what's being discussed.

The topic is specifically about collecting skyshards in a PvP only zone. To suggest to go to a dead or less populated zone and collect sky shards in context and under the actual understanding of where these are located which many are in contested areas, doesn't offer any solutions.

I played DAOC and while I enjoyed the game, it's not an accurate comparison. There were not PvE skill points locked in the frontier in DAOC. Also no one is complaining about not doing content. They situation is they (we) are trying to do content that by design forces us to PvP. PvP is not the content, PvP is the situation this content forces.

The content we are seeking are the skyshards that produce skill points.

And while your comments suggest people are whinning....(looks around) I don't see that here in my comments so let's not generalize. People are looking for realistic alternatives and in context to thaat discussion feedback provides the idea that a PvE Cyrodil makes a viable solution to the dilemma. The context is the game is now One Tamriel which means the faction based boarders were removed except for Cyrodil and Imperial City zones.

Skill points? Dude, we're talking about 5 out of 300+. You get one hell of a lot more skill points in Cyrodiil by PVPing there. Fretting about those is petty in the extreme - especially now that you can go anywhere at every level. Hell I have CP400+ characters that PVP and have never even bothered to get all the Cyrodiil skyshards... and they have tons of unspent skill points.

Suggesting a PVE Cyrodiil instance for those measly 15 skyshards is nothing more than misguided entitlement mentality by the PVP-phobic.

@Iselin
There's actually a total of 46 skyshards in Cyrodil alone not counting Imperial City.

Outside of skyshards there are the public dungeons, dolemans generals and daily quests for PvE

I don't think you really understand what you're talking about.

We're all talking about the same thing: content some don't want to do as designed but they want it redesigned so they don't miss out on the rewards.

@Iselin

It's not all the same if you're giving input with an incorrect understanding or lacking factual information.
And people aren't saying they don't want to go to Cyrodil, they are saying they don't want to be forced to PvP in Cyrodil so I don't think you're understanding is in context to the discussion.

That's how your comments read to me.

No that's your spin. People are saying they want the rewards of content they don't want to do. "forced to PVP" "forced to group" "forced to do quests" "forced to do veteran dungeons"... it's all the same entitled idiotic mentality. No one is "forcing" you to do anything. You just need to choose what parts of the game you want to play and learn to be content with the consequences of your choices..

@Iselin
It's not a spin it's how you're choosing to interpret. People are saying they don't want to be forced to PvP. They are saying they want to do the content without forced PvP. They aren't saying they want the rewards without ever stepping into Cyrodil or Imperial City.

And it is not all the same. Again that's is your interpretation which I'm hoping to correct.
Also please do not tell me what content I need to do as I've paid for all content and as stated above, took the suggestions and have run into problems because of some of the highly contested areas in both Cyrodil and Imperial city.

I've even joined group of others who wanted to complete this stuff many times but largely those will be a mix of PvE and PvP players which again result in similar challenges for contested areas.

If you have viable suggestions we welcome those but the ones given aren't viable in actual practice.

"They aren't saying they want the rewards without ever stepping into Cyrodil or Imperial City." No, just a modified version of it free from "forced PVP." What part of this being exactly the same as making solo versions of the veteran dungeons so you can get a monster mask are you not understanding? Or do you think that solo veteran dungeons would also be a good thing?

@Iselin

Go back and read through again....
Are you in too many conversations as no one has said anything about not wanting to do Cyrodil or IC. They point have wrote a few times asking how to do the content and avoid PvP. You understand PvP is not a zone and it's not content, it's when a Player versus Player happens which is dueling, Cyrodil and Imperial City which means PvP is a choice in some zones and not others.

What the heck does doing a verteran dungeon solo have to do with any of this?
Nothing because if you're suggesting people that only PvP have to solo a veteran dungeon, that's not forced as you can buy those from the PvP vendors.

See here's the issue you're not maybe aware of.
PvP players can go PvP almost anywhere, they can get items via PvP currency and also gain skills points whenever and wherever they'd like.

PvE players cannot unless they enter PvP zones which if you actually go in dead campaigns and test and don't PvP ever, you'll understand that you have to do some PvP to get to all the shards. To get to the quests, to complete the public dungeons or delves in PvP zones.

I have a better idea. You go back and read just one post, the one that started this thread.

@Iselin

I did...comments above I'm telling you that your interpretations are off. You have gone off on your own thing
The OP literally has comments pages back to try the dead campaigns

No one other than you is talking about veteran dungeons.

Are you in more than one conversation by chance?

No just one conversation. A rather bizarre one with you.

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Would it be too much to ask for a war/allinace free instance for us PvE players to collect our Sky Shards in Cyrolag and complete the NPC quests there, if instancing is not possible how about a war-free token from the Crown Store. I know I'm lame in PvP as I'm more oriented towards PvE as a non hardcore casual player who plays for enjoyment

Thoughts anyone? ZOS Please?

"war/allinace free instance"
"war-free token from the Crown Store"

Which parts of what the OP was asking for are you having trouble understanding?

As to how this is similar to people who do not want to group for a veteran dungeon for a monster mask asking for a solo version of the dungeon so they can get one without doing the content as designed.... do I really need to explain that to you?

@Iselin

You are waaaaaayy off base and lack understanding and comprehension

Read it! It point blanks asks for them to be able to do the CONTENT without PvP. It says IF ....again... IF ITS NOT POSSIBLE to phase or have a PvE campaign to allow them to buy a York from the crown store. The token is an ANTI-PvP token so others can't kill or attack them while they do PvE content

I'm not having any trouble understanding, you're just completely mis-interpreting the entire thread as seen by all of your comments.

MAN!!!!

People just are asking for ways to do content without having to pvP.
There's nothing else there so your whole exaggerations are waaay off base

There is absolutely no relation of this thread to any group content whether it's veteran or not but just so you understand and that's what I've been pointing out to you all along you lack understanding of what you're talking about.

People already solo veteran content (actual vet dungeons)

Do you comprehend it all now?

No need for your passive aggressiveness or capital hysterics lol.

Here... I''ll just add a few little word to one of your own sentences so maybe you can understand what is actually being said.

"People just are asking for ways to do content IN A PVP ZONE without having to pvP."

It's a ridiculous self-entitled notion.

@Iselin

No it's not ridiculous but it is very self entitled for you to say that others requesting a non-PvP experience for PvE content is self entitled after the developers redesigned the entire rest of the game to remove factions from PvE.

That's right. They designed the entire rest of the world for you... and you're not satisfied with that. What was that you were saying about entitlement?

@Iselin

Maaaannn......it wasn't designed for me. It was designed for all of us dude.

You're way off base and pushing an us vs them rhetoric. ZOS didn't make One Tamriel cause of PvE players. We could already play the stuff, technically it's for the PvP folks who chose a faction and then couldn't do some PvE content.

Please go read up on the game.....you have no idea of what you're talking about. Seriously you don't and are unwilling to even Google before making some of your comments.

So back on topic.

It's a simple ask....can we play the content outside of being forced to PvP. That's it.

Ridiculous self-entitled notions don't need to be complex. They usually are a simple ask.

@Iselin

Bruh....what are you even saying now?

So now you've gone from extreme to extreme. So it's not anything other than a NO in your opinion cause it's a selfish request?

How does someone who doesn't PvP who offers a question of how to keep from PvPing but to do PvE content in Cyrodil even affect you?


It literally doesn't....that's selfish to even make this suggestion because nothing they're asking even takes away from PvP at all.....

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So you don't want to play part of the game but you want what's in it?

Fine. I'll take a raid instance with no mobs and just loot piñatas everywhere.

This is hypocrisy. The PvE players in Cyrodiil still have to do PvE content. Quests, bosses, anchors etc. There will be no piñatas in pure PvE campaign.

There's no hypocrisy just a point about how there are many bits of content locked behind different activities (even more so with all the new BOP sets in specific dungeons.) You can only get some things in the IC, some just in trials, etc

The skyshards in Cyrodiil are meant to be gotten by doing the Cyrodiil content - and that includes the possibility of being killed by another player. A no PVP Cyrodiil instance is just as ridiculous as my trial loot example.

Well actually a no PvP Cyrodil and Imperial City aren't silly at all considering the rest of the world plays together and gets along just fine.
Actually Cyrodil should have PvP, and non-PvP campaigns because everyone doesn't want to do PvP.
Just like anyone now can duel in PvE zones

Duels... lol. Trade you a no PVP Cyrodiil and IC for a PVP everywhere Tamriel. Deal?

Yes there are different parts to this game that don't appeal to some... just deal with it.

I'm no asking for any trade nor is that of any interest to me but look at what you're saying and what we are saying.

You want a PvP game everywhere.
We want a PvE game everywhere.

But you're saying...deal with it

No one is saying No you can't have a phased or different PvP experience. So why would you say deal with it as I don't want PvP or even duels so I'm forced to change my settings but I'm still blocked by other duelers from doing stuff cause they choose to duel on top of NPCs in towns.

It seems pretty obvious that the game would benefit from a PvE server and a PvE server or phasing whatever they do.
It makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. Deal with it, makes absolutely no sense especially for the PvE conversation.

But let's actually look at where the shads are located in Cyrodil and Imperial City.
You actually have to go to contested or challenged areas to collect them all. You can't avoid PvP even in a dead zone cause you're literally at enemy keeps and towns

No I actually do not want PVP everywhere. I was just saying that to emphasize the point. I prefer and have always preferred this DAoC-like system of separate PVP zones.

What I don't do is complain about not having access to things that are locked behind content I chose not to do. That's the whole point here.

ESO is a rich world because it has content that appeals to different tastes. Whining about not having the things others have access to, and asking for it to be modified according to my taste is not something I would ever do. But then, I'm old like that.

@Iselin

That doesn't emphasize a point if you're making empty comments. It causes me to read it and dismiss most of what you're writing because now it's pointless to write anything that's outside of reason in context to what's being discussed.

The topic is specifically about collecting skyshards in a PvP only zone. To suggest to go to a dead or less populated zone and collect sky shards in context and under the actual understanding of where these are located which many are in contested areas, doesn't offer any solutions.

I played DAOC and while I enjoyed the game, it's not an accurate comparison. There were not PvE skill points locked in the frontier in DAOC. Also no one is complaining about not doing content. They situation is they (we) are trying to do content that by design forces us to PvP. PvP is not the content, PvP is the situation this content forces.

The content we are seeking are the skyshards that produce skill points.

And while your comments suggest people are whinning....(looks around) I don't see that here in my comments so let's not generalize. People are looking for realistic alternatives and in context to thaat discussion feedback provides the idea that a PvE Cyrodil makes a viable solution to the dilemma. The context is the game is now One Tamriel which means the faction based boarders were removed except for Cyrodil and Imperial City zones.

Skill points? Dude, we're talking about 5 out of 300+. You get one hell of a lot more skill points in Cyrodiil by PVPing there. Fretting about those is petty in the extreme - especially now that you can go anywhere at every level. Hell I have CP400+ characters that PVP and have never even bothered to get all the Cyrodiil skyshards... and they have tons of unspent skill points.

Suggesting a PVE Cyrodiil instance for those measly 15 skyshards is nothing more than misguided entitlement mentality by the PVP-phobic.

@Iselin
There's actually a total of 46 skyshards in Cyrodil alone not counting Imperial City.

Outside of skyshards there are the public dungeons, dolemans generals and daily quests for PvE

I don't think you really understand what you're talking about.

We're all talking about the same thing: content some don't want to do as designed but they want it redesigned so they don't miss out on the rewards.

@Iselin

It's not all the same if you're giving input with an incorrect understanding or lacking factual information.
And people aren't saying they don't want to go to Cyrodil, they are saying they don't want to be forced to PvP in Cyrodil so I don't think you're understanding is in context to the discussion.

That's how your comments read to me.

No that's your spin. People are saying they want the rewards of content they don't want to do. "forced to PVP" "forced to group" "forced to do quests" "forced to do veteran dungeons"... it's all the same entitled idiotic mentality. No one is "forcing" you to do anything. You just need to choose what parts of the game you want to play and learn to be content with the consequences of your choices..

@Iselin
It's not a spin it's how you're choosing to interpret. People are saying they don't want to be forced to PvP. They are saying they want to do the content without forced PvP. They aren't saying they want the rewards without ever stepping into Cyrodil or Imperial City.

And it is not all the same. Again that's is your interpretation which I'm hoping to correct.
Also please do not tell me what content I need to do as I've paid for all content and as stated above, took the suggestions and have run into problems because of some of the highly contested areas in both Cyrodil and Imperial city.

I've even joined group of others who wanted to complete this stuff many times but largely those will be a mix of PvE and PvP players which again result in similar challenges for contested areas.

If you have viable suggestions we welcome those but the ones given aren't viable in actual practice.

"They aren't saying they want the rewards without ever stepping into Cyrodil or Imperial City." No, just a modified version of it free from "forced PVP." What part of this being exactly the same as making solo versions of the veteran dungeons so you can get a monster mask are you not understanding? Or do you think that solo veteran dungeons would also be a good thing?

@Iselin

Go back and read through again....
Are you in too many conversations as no one has said anything about not wanting to do Cyrodil or IC. They point have wrote a few times asking how to do the content and avoid PvP. You understand PvP is not a zone and it's not content, it's when a Player versus Player happens which is dueling, Cyrodil and Imperial City which means PvP is a choice in some zones and not others.

What the heck does doing a verteran dungeon solo have to do with any of this?
Nothing because if you're suggesting people that only PvP have to solo a veteran dungeon, that's not forced as you can buy those from the PvP vendors.

See here's the issue you're not maybe aware of.
PvP players can go PvP almost anywhere, they can get items via PvP currency and also gain skills points whenever and wherever they'd like.

PvE players cannot unless they enter PvP zones which if you actually go in dead campaigns and test and don't PvP ever, you'll understand that you have to do some PvP to get to all the shards. To get to the quests, to complete the public dungeons or delves in PvP zones.

I have a better idea. You go back and read just one post, the one that started this thread.

@Iselin

I did...comments above I'm telling you that your interpretations are off. You have gone off on your own thing
The OP literally has comments pages back to try the dead campaigns

No one other than you is talking about veteran dungeons.

Are you in more than one conversation by chance?

No just one conversation. A rather bizarre one with you.

This is the original post:

Would it be too much to ask for a war/allinace free instance for us PvE players to collect our Sky Shards in Cyrolag and complete the NPC quests there, if instancing is not possible how about a war-free token from the Crown Store. I know I'm lame in PvP as I'm more oriented towards PvE as a non hardcore casual player who plays for enjoyment

Thoughts anyone? ZOS Please?

"war/allinace free instance"
"war-free token from the Crown Store"

Which parts of what the OP was asking for are you having trouble understanding?

As to how this is similar to people who do not want to group for a veteran dungeon for a monster mask asking for a solo version of the dungeon so they can get one without doing the content as designed.... do I really need to explain that to you?

@Iselin

You are waaaaaayy off base and lack understanding and comprehension

Read it! It point blanks asks for them to be able to do the CONTENT without PvP. It says IF ....again... IF ITS NOT POSSIBLE to phase or have a PvE campaign to allow them to buy a York from the crown store. The token is an ANTI-PvP token so others can't kill or attack them while they do PvE content

I'm not having any trouble understanding, you're just completely mis-interpreting the entire thread as seen by all of your comments.

MAN!!!!

People just are asking for ways to do content without having to pvP.
There's nothing else there so your whole exaggerations are waaay off base

There is absolutely no relation of this thread to any group content whether it's veteran or not but just so you understand and that's what I've been pointing out to you all along you lack understanding of what you're talking about.

People already solo veteran content (actual vet dungeons)

Do you comprehend it all now?

No need for your passive aggressiveness or capital hysterics lol.

Here... I''ll just add a few little word to one of your own sentences so maybe you can understand what is actually being said.

"People just are asking for ways to do content IN A PVP ZONE without having to pvP."

It's a ridiculous self-entitled notion.

@Iselin

No it's not ridiculous but it is very self entitled for you to say that others requesting a non-PvP experience for PvE content is self entitled after the developers redesigned the entire rest of the game to remove factions from PvE.

That's right. They designed the entire rest of the world for you... and you're not satisfied with that. What was that you were saying about entitlement?

@Iselin

Maaaannn......it wasn't designed for me. It was designed for all of us dude.

You're way off base and pushing an us vs them rhetoric. ZOS didn't make One Tamriel cause of PvE players. We could already play the stuff, technically it's for the PvP folks who chose a faction and then couldn't do some PvE content.

Please go read up on the game.....you have no idea of what you're talking about. Seriously you don't and are unwilling to even Google before making some of your comments.

So back on topic.

It's a simple ask....can we play the content outside of being forced to PvP. That's it.

Ridiculous self-entitled notions don't need to be complex. They usually are a simple ask.

@Iselin

Bruh....what are you even saying now?

So now you've gone from extreme to extreme. So it's not anything other than a NO in your opinion cause it's a selfish request?

How does someone who doesn't PvP who offers a question of how to keep from PvPing but to do PvE content in Cyrodil even affect you?


It literally doesn't....that's selfish to even make this suggestion because nothing they're asking even takes away from PvP at all.....

Let's have everything be free and easy for everyone... instant CP561 + all the loot and skill points for all! (coming to a cash shop near you.) After all, this doesn't affect anyone who wants to earn it as designed.

Yeah you're right. It's absolutely pointless talking to someone who doesn't understand the meaning of earning things in the game or making choices and accepting the consequences.

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So you don't want to play part of the game but you want what's in it?

Fine. I'll take a raid instance with no mobs and just loot piñatas everywhere.

This is hypocrisy. The PvE players in Cyrodiil still have to do PvE content. Quests, bosses, anchors etc. There will be no piñatas in pure PvE campaign.

There's no hypocrisy just a point about how there are many bits of content locked behind different activities (even more so with all the new BOP sets in specific dungeons.) You can only get some things in the IC, some just in trials, etc

The skyshards in Cyrodiil are meant to be gotten by doing the Cyrodiil content - and that includes the possibility of being killed by another player. A no PVP Cyrodiil instance is just as ridiculous as my trial loot example.

Well actually a no PvP Cyrodil and Imperial City aren't silly at all considering the rest of the world plays together and gets along just fine.
Actually Cyrodil should have PvP, and non-PvP campaigns because everyone doesn't want to do PvP.
Just like anyone now can duel in PvE zones

Duels... lol. Trade you a no PVP Cyrodiil and IC for a PVP everywhere Tamriel. Deal?

Yes there are different parts to this game that don't appeal to some... just deal with it.

I'm no asking for any trade nor is that of any interest to me but look at what you're saying and what we are saying.

You want a PvP game everywhere.
We want a PvE game everywhere.

But you're saying...deal with it

No one is saying No you can't have a phased or different PvP experience. So why would you say deal with it as I don't want PvP or even duels so I'm forced to change my settings but I'm still blocked by other duelers from doing stuff cause they choose to duel on top of NPCs in towns.

It seems pretty obvious that the game would benefit from a PvE server and a PvE server or phasing whatever they do.
It makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. Deal with it, makes absolutely no sense especially for the PvE conversation.

But let's actually look at where the shads are located in Cyrodil and Imperial City.
You actually have to go to contested or challenged areas to collect them all. You can't avoid PvP even in a dead zone cause you're literally at enemy keeps and towns

No I actually do not want PVP everywhere. I was just saying that to emphasize the point. I prefer and have always preferred this DAoC-like system of separate PVP zones.

What I don't do is complain about not having access to things that are locked behind content I chose not to do. That's the whole point here.

ESO is a rich world because it has content that appeals to different tastes. Whining about not having the things others have access to, and asking for it to be modified according to my taste is not something I would ever do. But then, I'm old like that.

@Iselin

That doesn't emphasize a point if you're making empty comments. It causes me to read it and dismiss most of what you're writing because now it's pointless to write anything that's outside of reason in context to what's being discussed.

The topic is specifically about collecting skyshards in a PvP only zone. To suggest to go to a dead or less populated zone and collect sky shards in context and under the actual understanding of where these are located which many are in contested areas, doesn't offer any solutions.

I played DAOC and while I enjoyed the game, it's not an accurate comparison. There were not PvE skill points locked in the frontier in DAOC. Also no one is complaining about not doing content. They situation is they (we) are trying to do content that by design forces us to PvP. PvP is not the content, PvP is the situation this content forces.

The content we are seeking are the skyshards that produce skill points.

And while your comments suggest people are whinning....(looks around) I don't see that here in my comments so let's not generalize. People are looking for realistic alternatives and in context to thaat discussion feedback provides the idea that a PvE Cyrodil makes a viable solution to the dilemma. The context is the game is now One Tamriel which means the faction based boarders were removed except for Cyrodil and Imperial City zones.

Skill points? Dude, we're talking about 5 out of 300+. You get one hell of a lot more skill points in Cyrodiil by PVPing there. Fretting about those is petty in the extreme - especially now that you can go anywhere at every level. Hell I have CP400+ characters that PVP and have never even bothered to get all the Cyrodiil skyshards... and they have tons of unspent skill points.

Suggesting a PVE Cyrodiil instance for those measly 15 skyshards is nothing more than misguided entitlement mentality by the PVP-phobic.

@Iselin
There's actually a total of 46 skyshards in Cyrodil alone not counting Imperial City.

Outside of skyshards there are the public dungeons, dolemans generals and daily quests for PvE

I don't think you really understand what you're talking about.

We're all talking about the same thing: content some don't want to do as designed but they want it redesigned so they don't miss out on the rewards.

@Iselin

It's not all the same if you're giving input with an incorrect understanding or lacking factual information.
And people aren't saying they don't want to go to Cyrodil, they are saying they don't want to be forced to PvP in Cyrodil so I don't think you're understanding is in context to the discussion.

That's how your comments read to me.

No that's your spin. People are saying they want the rewards of content they don't want to do. "forced to PVP" "forced to group" "forced to do quests" "forced to do veteran dungeons"... it's all the same entitled idiotic mentality. No one is "forcing" you to do anything. You just need to choose what parts of the game you want to play and learn to be content with the consequences of your choices..

@Iselin
It's not a spin it's how you're choosing to interpret. People are saying they don't want to be forced to PvP. They are saying they want to do the content without forced PvP. They aren't saying they want the rewards without ever stepping into Cyrodil or Imperial City.

And it is not all the same. Again that's is your interpretation which I'm hoping to correct.
Also please do not tell me what content I need to do as I've paid for all content and as stated above, took the suggestions and have run into problems because of some of the highly contested areas in both Cyrodil and Imperial city.

I've even joined group of others who wanted to complete this stuff many times but largely those will be a mix of PvE and PvP players which again result in similar challenges for contested areas.

If you have viable suggestions we welcome those but the ones given aren't viable in actual practice.

"They aren't saying they want the rewards without ever stepping into Cyrodil or Imperial City." No, just a modified version of it free from "forced PVP." What part of this being exactly the same as making solo versions of the veteran dungeons so you can get a monster mask are you not understanding? Or do you think that solo veteran dungeons would also be a good thing?

@Iselin

Go back and read through again....
Are you in too many conversations as no one has said anything about not wanting to do Cyrodil or IC. They point have wrote a few times asking how to do the content and avoid PvP. You understand PvP is not a zone and it's not content, it's when a Player versus Player happens which is dueling, Cyrodil and Imperial City which means PvP is a choice in some zones and not others.

What the heck does doing a verteran dungeon solo have to do with any of this?
Nothing because if you're suggesting people that only PvP have to solo a veteran dungeon, that's not forced as you can buy those from the PvP vendors.

See here's the issue you're not maybe aware of.
PvP players can go PvP almost anywhere, they can get items via PvP currency and also gain skills points whenever and wherever they'd like.

PvE players cannot unless they enter PvP zones which if you actually go in dead campaigns and test and don't PvP ever, you'll understand that you have to do some PvP to get to all the shards. To get to the quests, to complete the public dungeons or delves in PvP zones.

I have a better idea. You go back and read just one post, the one that started this thread.

@Iselin

I did...comments above I'm telling you that your interpretations are off. You have gone off on your own thing
The OP literally has comments pages back to try the dead campaigns

No one other than you is talking about veteran dungeons.

Are you in more than one conversation by chance?

No just one conversation. A rather bizarre one with you.

This is the original post:

Would it be too much to ask for a war/allinace free instance for us PvE players to collect our Sky Shards in Cyrolag and complete the NPC quests there, if instancing is not possible how about a war-free token from the Crown Store. I know I'm lame in PvP as I'm more oriented towards PvE as a non hardcore casual player who plays for enjoyment

Thoughts anyone? ZOS Please?

"war/allinace free instance"
"war-free token from the Crown Store"

Which parts of what the OP was asking for are you having trouble understanding?

As to how this is similar to people who do not want to group for a veteran dungeon for a monster mask asking for a solo version of the dungeon so they can get one without doing the content as designed.... do I really need to explain that to you?

@Iselin

You are waaaaaayy off base and lack understanding and comprehension

Read it! It point blanks asks for them to be able to do the CONTENT without PvP. It says IF ....again... IF ITS NOT POSSIBLE to phase or have a PvE campaign to allow them to buy a York from the crown store. The token is an ANTI-PvP token so others can't kill or attack them while they do PvE content

I'm not having any trouble understanding, you're just completely mis-interpreting the entire thread as seen by all of your comments.

MAN!!!!

People just are asking for ways to do content without having to pvP.
There's nothing else there so your whole exaggerations are waaay off base

There is absolutely no relation of this thread to any group content whether it's veteran or not but just so you understand and that's what I've been pointing out to you all along you lack understanding of what you're talking about.

People already solo veteran content (actual vet dungeons)

Do you comprehend it all now?

No need for your passive aggressiveness or capital hysterics lol.

Here... I''ll just add a few little word to one of your own sentences so maybe you can understand what is actually being said.

"People just are asking for ways to do content IN A PVP ZONE without having to pvP."

It's a ridiculous self-entitled notion.

@Iselin

No it's not ridiculous but it is very self entitled for you to say that others requesting a non-PvP experience for PvE content is self entitled after the developers redesigned the entire rest of the game to remove factions from PvE.

That's right. They designed the entire rest of the world for you... and you're not satisfied with that. What was that you were saying about entitlement?

@Iselin

Maaaannn......it wasn't designed for me. It was designed for all of us dude.

You're way off base and pushing an us vs them rhetoric. ZOS didn't make One Tamriel cause of PvE players. We could already play the stuff, technically it's for the PvP folks who chose a faction and then couldn't do some PvE content.

Please go read up on the game.....you have no idea of what you're talking about. Seriously you don't and are unwilling to even Google before making some of your comments.

So back on topic.

It's a simple ask....can we play the content outside of being forced to PvP. That's it.

Ridiculous self-entitled notions don't need to be complex. They usually are a simple ask.

@Iselin

Bruh....what are you even saying now?

So now you've gone from extreme to extreme. So it's not anything other than a NO in your opinion cause it's a selfish request?

How does someone who doesn't PvP who offers a question of how to keep from PvPing but to do PvE content in Cyrodil even affect you?


It literally doesn't....that's selfish to even make this suggestion because nothing they're asking even takes away from PvP at all.....

I'm sorry but the game does enough hand holding already, I get that some people have this strange fear of PvP that doesn't make any sense, but the few quests in Cyrodiil are not mandatory in any way and they are designed specifically to exist in a PvP enabled environment. You should have accept the chance of being engaged in PvP combat by going to those quest hubs, if you are to sensitive for that, go do the rest of the content in the game but leave our zone alone.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

AsteriaStarfall wrote: »

Quite simply in any mmo. Nothing for PvE should ever be locked behind PvP...ever. There is no argument for this. PvP players can go anywhere and acquire anything they wish. However the PvE player that either is bad or has zero interest in pvp now is being forced to do it for main story quests and items (skyshards) that are used in PvE for additional skills and such.

What about the PvP player who has zero interest in PvE who is being forced to do it for items and skyshards that are used in PvP for additional skills and such?

@Ghost-Shot

Why would someone Who doesn't want to PvE even buy any TES games?
Also let's take this in context. Upon leveling exclusively in PvP you get skills for 1-50, plus skills for PvP ranks, sky shards and if you're only there to PvP this means you have plenty of stuff to PvP only.

PvP only would exclude crafting tho cause again, you're just there to PvP.
That's one side

The other side is on what many pro PvP players are suggesting to PvE players but this is different because there's nothing at all holding you back. Why not do some of the PvE quests, and shards cause technically this is a PvE game by design and from the start. You can't even PvP until level 10 so yeah....it's a PvE game as you can't complete any stories just doing PvP so why even buy the game?

Because this is the best option on the market atm for world PvP, I couldn't honestly give a *** less about the Elder Scrolls skin. And what about the gear? We have to go to carebear land for that because most of the gear available through PvP is *** compared to PvE gear.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

AsteriaStarfall wrote: »

Quite simply in any mmo. Nothing for PvE should ever be locked behind PvP...ever. There is no argument for this. PvP players can go anywhere and acquire anything they wish. However the PvE player that either is bad or has zero interest in pvp now is being forced to do it for main story quests and items (skyshards) that are used in PvE for additional skills and such.

What about the PvP player who has zero interest in PvE who is being forced to do it for items and skyshards that are used in PvP for additional skills and such?

@Ghost-Shot

Why would someone Who doesn't want to PvE even buy any TES games?
Also let's take this in context. Upon leveling exclusively in PvP you get skills for 1-50, plus skills for PvP ranks, sky shards and if you're only there to PvP this means you have plenty of stuff to PvP only.

PvP only would exclude crafting tho cause again, you're just there to PvP.
That's one side

The other side is on what many pro PvP players are suggesting to PvE players but this is different because there's nothing at all holding you back. Why not do some of the PvE quests, and shards cause technically this is a PvE game by design and from the start. You can't even PvP until level 10 so yeah....it's a PvE game as you can't complete any stories just doing PvP so why even buy the game?

Because this is the best option on the market atm for world PvP, I couldn't honestly give a *** less about the Elder Scrolls skin. And what about the gear? We have to go to carebear land for that because most of the gear available through PvP is *** compared to PvE gear.

@Ghost-Shot

So as I wrote at the end wouldn't you agree that it does make sense for everyone to have PvP or PvE only experiences?
It's the most logical situation. And it's very simple and actually solves the current cluster of too many ppl in zones now.

No, personally I think what we have now is a perfect division of PvE and PvP, I personally raid quite often and my response was to that particular quote was to show how idiotic the statement was since I know a number of people who will not PvE, at all. They however are not trying to change PvE zones to their liking. If you want the content in Cyrodiil, which is not story content, just fetch quest dailies, be ready to PvP, otherwise go away.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

AsteriaStarfall wrote: »

Quite simply in any mmo. Nothing for PvE should ever be locked behind PvP...ever. There is no argument for this. PvP players can go anywhere and acquire anything they wish. However the PvE player that either is bad or has zero interest in pvp now is being forced to do it for main story quests and items (skyshards) that are used in PvE for additional skills and such.

What about the PvP player who has zero interest in PvE who is being forced to do it for items and skyshards that are used in PvP for additional skills and such?

@Ghost-Shot

Why would someone Who doesn't want to PvE even buy any TES games?
Also let's take this in context. Upon leveling exclusively in PvP you get skills for 1-50, plus skills for PvP ranks, sky shards and if you're only there to PvP this means you have plenty of stuff to PvP only.

PvP only would exclude crafting tho cause again, you're just there to PvP.
That's one side

The other side is on what many pro PvP players are suggesting to PvE players but this is different because there's nothing at all holding you back. Why not do some of the PvE quests, and shards cause technically this is a PvE game by design and from the start. You can't even PvP until level 10 so yeah....it's a PvE game as you can't complete any stories just doing PvP so why even buy the game?

Because this is the best option on the market atm for world PvP, I couldn't honestly give a *** less about the Elder Scrolls skin. And what about the gear? We have to go to carebear land for that because most of the gear available through PvP is *** compared to PvE gear.

@Ghost-Shot

So as I wrote at the end wouldn't you agree that it does make sense for everyone to have PvP or PvE only experiences?
It's the most logical situation. And it's very simple and actually solves the current cluster of too many ppl in zones now.

No, personally I think what we have now is a perfect division of PvE and PvP, I personally raid quite often and my response was to that particular quote was to show how idiotic the statement was since I know a number of people who will not PvE, at all. They however are not trying to change PvE zones to their liking. If you want the content in Cyrodiil, which is not story content, just fetch quest dailies, be ready to PvP, otherwise go away.

Wow
So if it's not to your own opinion no one else's ideas are acceptable even when it literally doesn't impact you.

That's not what I said at all, as I said earlier in this thread, I see the skyshards and dailies as a way of drawing people in to Cyrodiil who otherwise wouldn't try PvP, and believe it or not, a lot of them end up enjoying it.

Callous2208 wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

AsteriaStarfall wrote: »

Quite simply in any mmo. Nothing for PvE should ever be locked behind PvP...ever. There is no argument for this. PvP players can go anywhere and acquire anything they wish. However the PvE player that either is bad or has zero interest in pvp now is being forced to do it for main story quests and items (skyshards) that are used in PvE for additional skills and such.

What about the PvP player who has zero interest in PvE who is being forced to do it for items and skyshards that are used in PvP for additional skills and such?

@Ghost-Shot

Why would someone Who doesn't want to PvE even buy any TES games?
Also let's take this in context. Upon leveling exclusively in PvP you get skills for 1-50, plus skills for PvP ranks, sky shards and if you're only there to PvP this means you have plenty of stuff to PvP only.

PvP only would exclude crafting tho cause again, you're just there to PvP.
That's one side

The other side is on what many pro PvP players are suggesting to PvE players but this is different because there's nothing at all holding you back. Why not do some of the PvE quests, and shards cause technically this is a PvE game by design and from the start. You can't even PvP until level 10 so yeah....it's a PvE game as you can't complete any stories just doing PvP so why even buy the game?

Because this is the best option on the market atm for world PvP, I couldn't honestly give a *** less about the Elder Scrolls skin. And what about the gear? We have to go to carebear land for that because most of the gear available through PvP is *** compared to PvE gear.

@Ghost-Shot

So as I wrote at the end wouldn't you agree that it does make sense for everyone to have PvP or PvE only experiences?
It's the most logical situation. And it's very simple and actually solves the current cluster of too many ppl in zones now.

No, personally I think what we have now is a perfect division of PvE and PvP, I personally raid quite often and my response was to that particular quote was to show how idiotic the statement was since I know a number of people who will not PvE, at all. They however are not trying to change PvE zones to their liking. If you want the content in Cyrodiil, which is not story content, just fetch quest dailies, be ready to PvP, otherwise go away.

Wow
So if it's not to your own opinion no one else's ideas are acceptable even when it literally doesn't impact you.

That's not what I said at all, as I said earlier in this thread, I see the skyshards and dailies as a way of drawing people in to Cyrodiil who otherwise wouldn't try PvP, and believe it or not, a lot of them end up enjoying it.

This is true. I was a pve only guy years ago. The thrill of getting into a fight while hunting skyshards or completing the explorers achievement is what got me hooked on pvp.

That is exactly how I had my first PvP encounter as well, about a week or two after launch grabbing the sky shard in Cheydinhal(however you spell it) and I ran into a DK who absolutely wiped the floor with me, his name was Hovaling, I didn't understand until later who that guy was lol.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

AsteriaStarfall wrote: »

Quite simply in any mmo. Nothing for PvE should ever be locked behind PvP...ever. There is no argument for this. PvP players can go anywhere and acquire anything they wish. However the PvE player that either is bad or has zero interest in pvp now is being forced to do it for main story quests and items (skyshards) that are used in PvE for additional skills and such.

What about the PvP player who has zero interest in PvE who is being forced to do it for items and skyshards that are used in PvP for additional skills and such?

@Ghost-Shot

Why would someone Who doesn't want to PvE even buy any TES games?
Also let's take this in context. Upon leveling exclusively in PvP you get skills for 1-50, plus skills for PvP ranks, sky shards and if you're only there to PvP this means you have plenty of stuff to PvP only.

PvP only would exclude crafting tho cause again, you're just there to PvP.
That's one side

The other side is on what many pro PvP players are suggesting to PvE players but this is different because there's nothing at all holding you back. Why not do some of the PvE quests, and shards cause technically this is a PvE game by design and from the start. You can't even PvP until level 10 so yeah....it's a PvE game as you can't complete any stories just doing PvP so why even buy the game?

Because this is the best option on the market atm for world PvP, I couldn't honestly give a *** less about the Elder Scrolls skin. And what about the gear? We have to go to carebear land for that because most of the gear available through PvP is *** compared to PvE gear.

@Ghost-Shot

So as I wrote at the end wouldn't you agree that it does make sense for everyone to have PvP or PvE only experiences?
It's the most logical situation. And it's very simple and actually solves the current cluster of too many ppl in zones now.

No, personally I think what we have now is a perfect division of PvE and PvP, I personally raid quite often and my response was to that particular quote was to show how idiotic the statement was since I know a number of people who will not PvE, at all. They however are not trying to change PvE zones to their liking. If you want the content in Cyrodiil, which is not story content, just fetch quest dailies, be ready to PvP, otherwise go away.

Wow
So if it's not to your own opinion no one else's ideas are acceptable even when it literally doesn't impact you.

That's not what I said at all, as I said earlier in this thread, I see the skyshards and dailies as a way of drawing people in to Cyrodiil who otherwise wouldn't try PvP, and believe it or not, a lot of them end up enjoying it.

@Ghost-Shot

Not trying to put words in your mouth....sorry but I read
"
No, personally I think what we have now is a perfect division of PvE and PvP, I personally raid quite often and my response was to that particular quote was to show how idiotic the statement was since I know a number of people who will not PvE, at all. They however are not trying to change PvE zones to their liking. If you want the content in Cyrodiil, which is not story content, just fetch quest dailies, be ready to PvP, otherwise go away."

In context you're responding on your original statement around "what about the PvP player who has zero interest in PvE who is forced to do it for items and skyshards"

I made the comment why buy aTES game as it's always been PvE oriented.

You go on to say it was "it's the best option on the market ATM for world PvP". The thing is tho, it's not world PvP at all it's only Cyrodil and Imperial City parts. Either way that's your point of view.

My point of view is that over 2/3rds of the game is PvE content by design and while you point out your view that "some" people find enjoyment in PvP because they are "drawn" in to collect shards and such. There's still those of us who don't care for PvP.
thats great for those who find the interest but there are others who don't find it enjoyable and it's not that they are carebears or any other derogatory term. They just don't want to be in the context of this game, "at war" with other player characters.

That doesn't mean and should not be assumed that they aren't interested in being "at war" with NPC characters.

In your written bolder words, you actually are suggesting that people play as it is or go away. And you also commented directly to my later reply that people just need to play or go away. That conveys that if the idea isn't as it is today in-game then it's your opinion that it's not acceptable idea. Even to the extent of suggestions that don't impact you.

Everyone isn't going to want to PvP and PvE. Some have expressedly laid out ideas of viable ways those who want to only PvP or who only want to PvE. It's been a constant discussion since closed beta and considering other faction PvE wasn't originally made available until later adding in Cadwell quests which now has progressed to One Tamriel changes the game development is largely following a lot of this earlier feedback in 2012-2013.

I'm not suggesting you have to agree but I don't comprehend why things don't don't impact you aren't viable ideas to be considered for others who have differing desires than yourself.

Callous2208 wrote: »

I think it's also important to remember that you really have nothing to lose by venturing into Cyro to grab shards. If you take a fall, your gear won't need repairing, you won't lose coin. I guess one could argue that your pride and ego stand the be bruised beyond repair but, c'mon.

So the thing tho @Callous2208 the shards behind gates you literally cannot get unless you PvP and most often PvP and siege in a group

Callous2208 wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

AsteriaStarfall wrote: »

Quite simply in any mmo. Nothing for PvE should ever be locked behind PvP...ever. There is no argument for this. PvP players can go anywhere and acquire anything they wish. However the PvE player that either is bad or has zero interest in pvp now is being forced to do it for main story quests and items (skyshards) that are used in PvE for additional skills and such.

What about the PvP player who has zero interest in PvE who is being forced to do it for items and skyshards that are used in PvP for additional skills and such?

@Ghost-Shot

Why would someone Who doesn't want to PvE even buy any TES games?
Also let's take this in context. Upon leveling exclusively in PvP you get skills for 1-50, plus skills for PvP ranks, sky shards and if you're only there to PvP this means you have plenty of stuff to PvP only.

PvP only would exclude crafting tho cause again, you're just there to PvP.
That's one side

The other side is on what many pro PvP players are suggesting to PvE players but this is different because there's nothing at all holding you back. Why not do some of the PvE quests, and shards cause technically this is a PvE game by design and from the start. You can't even PvP until level 10 so yeah....it's a PvE game as you can't complete any stories just doing PvP so why even buy the game?

Because this is the best option on the market atm for world PvP, I couldn't honestly give a *** less about the Elder Scrolls skin. And what about the gear? We have to go to carebear land for that because most of the gear available through PvP is *** compared to PvE gear.

@Ghost-Shot

So as I wrote at the end wouldn't you agree that it does make sense for everyone to have PvP or PvE only experiences?
It's the most logical situation. And it's very simple and actually solves the current cluster of too many ppl in zones now.

No, personally I think what we have now is a perfect division of PvE and PvP, I personally raid quite often and my response was to that particular quote was to show how idiotic the statement was since I know a number of people who will not PvE, at all. They however are not trying to change PvE zones to their liking. If you want the content in Cyrodiil, which is not story content, just fetch quest dailies, be ready to PvP, otherwise go away.

Wow
So if it's not to your own opinion no one else's ideas are acceptable even when it literally doesn't impact you.

That's not what I said at all, as I said earlier in this thread, I see the skyshards and dailies as a way of drawing people in to Cyrodiil who otherwise wouldn't try PvP, and believe it or not, a lot of them end up enjoying it.

This is true. I was a pve only guy years ago. The thrill of getting into a fight while hunting skyshards or completing the explorers achievement is what got me hooked on pvp.

Yeah, that's definitely part of the fun of PvE in Cyrodiil. I've completed it on 2 characters, my sorc still needs the daily quests in Vlastarus and Chorrol (she's EP) and most of my other 4 characters have gotten about half of the zone done so far. It's such a great zone for PvE. I remember at one point I realized my Templar didn't have all the dolmens there and I started riding around the map to get what I was missing. EP only had their home keeps at that moment and as I'm on the far side of the map, AD grabs one of their scrolls back and starts running it to their gates while I'm trying my best to stay out of the way or ahead of the scroll party to get my last dolmen. I succeeded!

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I think it's also important to remember that you really have nothing to lose by venturing into Cyro to grab shards. If you take a fall, your gear won't need repairing, you won't lose coin. I guess one could argue that your pride and ego stand the be bruised beyond repair but, c'mon.

So the thing tho @Callous2208 the shards behind gates you literally cannot get unless you PvP and most often PvP and siege in a group

For those shards, you need to be opportunistic. There's no point in trying to open the gates just to get the shards. Keep an eye on the ebbs and flows of the campaign and wait for a time when an alliance is going for the scrolls behind that gate. Try to get close to the gate when it's open and sneak in as fast as you can.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I think it's also important to remember that you really have nothing to lose by venturing into Cyro to grab shards. If you take a fall, your gear won't need repairing, you won't lose coin. I guess one could argue that your pride and ego stand the be bruised beyond repair but, c'mon.

So the thing tho @Callous2208 the shards behind gates you literally cannot get unless you PvP and most often PvP and siege in a group

Incorrect. You could waltz on through if other people have pvp'd for you and taken the respective keeps already. Or just jump right in a battle and contribute, you may find it to your liking. Everyone is different, I get it. If pvp frightens someone or triggers them in some way, ESO made it to where you don't actually need all those shards to have a complete character build. You can flesh out your toon with all sp's provided in PvE only, with skills left over to boot!

@Callous2208

1. We don't want to PvP
2. You're suggestion requires PvP

You're pointing out the flaw in the suggestion that I've been pointing out to others. So going forward to the other ideas was an ask for a token that allowed the player not to be PvP eligible. That still requires PvP tho so it's not really an option and I'd argue that that messes with PvP in a negative way.

The other idea is a PvE only Cyrodil campaign which doesn't negatively impact PvP and seems most logical

It's not about a build or anything, it's about completing PvE content that today forces PvP

But that's not PvE content. And my first suggestion of having others pvp for you and getting them while the gate is open isn't pvp. It's walking through an open gate.

Edit: I believe the issue is that you're looking at things from the wrong perspective. You're not missing any pve content in Cyro. You're missing pvp skyshards, delves and dolmens.