Collecting Sky Shards and Questing in Cyrodiil
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭unhander_2 wrote: »rager82b14_ESO wrote: »I agree with you. When I did do pvp. I find no enjoyment having pve players just die because they are farming shards. It did nothing for my enjoyment.
Pvpers who want pvers to die for the shards are just being selfish. No good reason at all for shards to be in this pvp zone. You are not going to change a person mind by having force pvp for skill points.
It makes zero senses from a game design point of view for this to be allowed.
Keep in mind man, that on the flipside, a lot of stuff we need is locked behind PVE. There's not enough skyshards and lorebooks in Cyrodiil to live on. We also need to farm Undaunted for monster sets and passives. We need to farm zones and dungeons for gear.
A PVPer will no doubt spend, at the very least, 50% of their time in PVE, if not more. I've noticed most of the people on my friends list spending less time in Cyro since One Tamriel dropped, because they are doing pledges and farming gear.
Have you seen the crap gear we get from PVP? It's got nothing on PVE stuff.
So just like you find no enjoyment in a PVP enabled zone, we find no enjoyment outside a PVP enabled zone. I think ZOS want people to experience both sides, so let's just roll with it.
If I could have skipped PVP I probably wouldn't have tried it and discovered I liked it so much.
@Alucardo
You have a good point and great way of presenting it, and to be honest I haven't given PvP a serious try so far. Thank you for your comment.
No problem. These type of threads can get out of hand pretty quickly with PVP vs PVE, but I want to try and keep it civil. I wish you luck in PVP, and even if you don't enjoy it, I hope you manage to collect all the Skyshards you need. In the end, at least you can say you gave it a shot and braved Cyrodiil!2 -
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Switching Guest campaigns is free, and can be done every 4 daysunhander_2 wrote: »Good advice
+1, now I just have wait for 30 days before I can switch campaigns 
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Switching Guest campaigns is free, and can be done every 4 daysunhander_2 wrote: »Good advice +1, now I just have wait for 30 days before I can switch campaigns
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭unhander_2 wrote: »
Switching Guest campaigns is free, and can be done every 4 daysunhander_2 wrote: »Good advice +1, now I just have wait for 30 days before I can switch campaigns
Much appreciated
If you have entered your guest campaign within the last 24 hours you'll have to wait a day though before changing.1 -
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✭unhander_2 wrote: »
Switching Guest campaigns is free, and can be done every 4 daysunhander_2 wrote: »Good advice +1, now I just have wait for 30 days before I can switch campaigns
Much appreciated
If you have entered your guest campaign within the last 24 hours you'll have to wait a day though before changing.
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Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So you don't want to play part of the game but you want what's in it?
Fine. I'll take a raid instance with no mobs and just loot piñatas everywhere.
This is hypocrisy. The PvE players in Cyrodiil still have to do PvE content. Quests, bosses, anchors etc. There will be no piñatas in pure PvE campaign.
There's no hypocrisy just a point about how there are many bits of content locked behind different activities (even more so with all the new BOP sets in specific dungeons.) You can only get some things in the IC, some just in trials, etc
The skyshards in Cyrodiil are meant to be gotten by doing the Cyrodiil content - and that includes the possibility of being killed by another player. A no PVP Cyrodiil instance is just as ridiculous as my trial loot example.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So you don't want to play part of the game but you want what's in it?
Fine. I'll take a raid instance with no mobs and just loot piñatas everywhere.
This is hypocrisy. The PvE players in Cyrodiil still have to do PvE content. Quests, bosses, anchors etc. There will be no piñatas in pure PvE campaign.
There's no hypocrisy just a point about how there are many bits of content locked behind different activities (even more so with all the new BOP sets in specific dungeons.) You can only get some things in the IC, some just in trials, etc
The skyshards in Cyrodiil are meant to be gotten by doing the Cyrodiil content - and that includes the possibility of being killed by another player. A no PVP Cyrodiil instance is just as ridiculous as my trial loot example.
Well actually a no PvP Cyrodil and Imperial City aren't silly at all considering the rest of the world plays together and gets along just fine.
Actually Cyrodil should have PvP, and non-PvP campaigns because everyone doesn't want to do PvP.
Just like anyone now can duel in PvE zones
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✭Im sure you can join a low pop campaign and not get hassled much. Look at it like a survival horror game where you dont really want to fight, it's an opportunity to hone your zombie apocolypse ninja skills. If you approach it like that it might actually be fun. Just cause you go to Cyrodiil doesnt mean you have to pvp, most fights can be avoided. And if not, maybe you take a few deaths. No big loss.
Done it myself, just like you said. Sorta like "hide and seek" 0 -
White wabbit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just use a dead campaign I'm sure most platforms have one , and sorry I don't see the need of having a non PvP campaign what would be the point of the keeps , resources and vast open areas0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »Just use a dead campaign I'm sure most platforms have one , and sorry I don't see the need of having a non PvP campaign what would be the point of the keeps , resources and vast open areas
These would be set by NPCs
Consider those who don't want to PvP don't care about keeps and such so the NPC presence is fine and maybe they buff them up but in any event, with One Tamriel it's not an argument anymore that a non PvP Cyrodil doesn't make sense.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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drakhan2002_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »
Also I want all the maelstrom weapons but I also have to PvE for that. WHO IS BEING SELFISH. It's the PvE'ers who want PvP-free cyrodill but don't want PvP'ers to have the goodies from PvE without doing boring stuff from it.
I think if you read what the OP posted, you will notice he or she is asking for a instance of Cryodiil that does not have PvP; one that is another PvE zone.Edited by drakhan2002_ESO on November 3, 2016 2:28PM1 -
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✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Just use a dead campaign I'm sure most platforms have one , and sorry I don't see the need of having a non PvP campaign what would be the point of the keeps , resources and vast open areas
These would be set by NPCs
Consider those who don't want to PvP don't care about keeps and such so the NPC presence is fine and maybe they buff them up but in any event, with One Tamriel it's not an argument anymore that a non PvP Cyrodil doesn't make sense.
As many have said use a dead campigan there's your Pve zone and theirs not an argument really that you couldn't0 -
drakhan2002_ESO✭✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »
As many have said use a dead campigan there's your Pve zone and theirs not an argument really that you couldn't
A PvP zone that has PvP players in it is not a PvE zone.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OP, it doesn't even have to be a low pop campaign. As long as you stay away from the frontlines, you should be fine in a busy campaign as well.
A few things to keep in mind:
- When approaching a delve, stealth and try to only kill the minimum amount of mobs (usually 2 by the door are unavoidable). Dead mobs tell other players that someone has been there recently.
- Stealth when going in or out of delves. I have been passed by enemy players that did not see me.
- Be extra careful when you are far behind enemy lines, as a death would mean a fairly long trip back.
- Keep an eye on the towns that now have flags to capture (Bruma, Cropsford and Vlastarus), try to grab the quests there when they are owned by your alliance.
- Keep an eye on the enemy gate keeps. If they are under attack, you may get the chance to sneak in and grab your skyshards. Remember that it doesn't have to be your alliance opening the gates. Once the gate is open, anyone can go in. Just watch for the guards.
- If you see an enemy player, if they are a low rank, they are probably just PvEing as well, so try to communicate with them if you see each other. I have a friend who has gone through Cyro on multiple characters and somehow managed to make friends with other alliance players each time.
- Don't take death personally.
- Sh*t happens sometimes.The Moot Councillor2 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »Just use a dead campaign I'm sure most platforms have one , and sorry I don't see the need of having a non PvP campaign what would be the point of the keeps , resources and vast open areas
These would be set by NPCs
Consider those who don't want to PvP don't care about keeps and such so the NPC presence is fine and maybe they buff them up but in any event, with One Tamriel it's not an argument anymore that a non PvP Cyrodil doesn't make sense.
As many have said use a dead campigan there's your Pve zone and theirs not an argument really that you couldn't
Consider that I've been doing this however a dead campaign isn't empty of gankers and some of the shards are in challenged areas so your suggestion sounds good until actual practice reveals it's not.
Dead or even a dead faction dominated campaign changes but while one character may be fine one day the next is frustrating.
We're not going to agree on this as I've always had this position and the suggestions aren't actually that good. You have to go into enemy zones
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Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »So you don't want to play part of the game but you want what's in it?
Fine. I'll take a raid instance with no mobs and just loot piñatas everywhere.
This is hypocrisy. The PvE players in Cyrodiil still have to do PvE content. Quests, bosses, anchors etc. There will be no piñatas in pure PvE campaign.
There's no hypocrisy just a point about how there are many bits of content locked behind different activities (even more so with all the new BOP sets in specific dungeons.) You can only get some things in the IC, some just in trials, etc
The skyshards in Cyrodiil are meant to be gotten by doing the Cyrodiil content - and that includes the possibility of being killed by another player. A no PVP Cyrodiil instance is just as ridiculous as my trial loot example.
Well actually a no PvP Cyrodil and Imperial City aren't silly at all considering the rest of the world plays together and gets along just fine.
Actually Cyrodil should have PvP, and non-PvP campaigns because everyone doesn't want to do PvP.
Just like anyone now can duel in PvE zones
Duels... lol. Trade you a no PVP Cyrodiil and IC for a PVP everywhere Tamriel. Deal?
Yes there are different parts to this game that don't appeal to some... just deal with it.1 -
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✭✭No, if you are bad at PvP this is an opportunity to learn, most of the time, you aren't going to find the real elite PvP'rs in a delve unless they happen to stop by for an AP buff. Even if you aren't interested in PvP, learning how to do it will make you a far better player as you learn so much more about the mechanics of your class than you can ever learn doing quests/dungeons. And if you die a PvP death, you don't even have to repair your gear! Just ride back and try again.
There should never, ever, be a PvP free instance of Cyrodiil, those quests and skyshards draw people in which is a good thing.2 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »So you don't want to play part of the game but you want what's in it?
Fine. I'll take a raid instance with no mobs and just loot piñatas everywhere.
This is hypocrisy. The PvE players in Cyrodiil still have to do PvE content. Quests, bosses, anchors etc. There will be no piñatas in pure PvE campaign.
There's no hypocrisy just a point about how there are many bits of content locked behind different activities (even more so with all the new BOP sets in specific dungeons.) You can only get some things in the IC, some just in trials, etc
The skyshards in Cyrodiil are meant to be gotten by doing the Cyrodiil content - and that includes the possibility of being killed by another player. A no PVP Cyrodiil instance is just as ridiculous as my trial loot example.
Well actually a no PvP Cyrodil and Imperial City aren't silly at all considering the rest of the world plays together and gets along just fine.
Actually Cyrodil should have PvP, and non-PvP campaigns because everyone doesn't want to do PvP.
Just like anyone now can duel in PvE zones
Duels... lol. Trade you a no PVP Cyrodiil and IC for a PVP everywhere Tamriel. Deal?
Yes there are different parts to this game that don't appeal to some... just deal with it.
I'm no asking for any trade nor is that of any interest to me but look at what you're saying and what we are saying.
You want a PvP game everywhere.
We want a PvE game everywhere.
But you're saying...deal with it
No one is saying No you can't have a phased or different PvP experience. So why would you say deal with it as I don't want PvP or even duels so I'm forced to change my settings but I'm still blocked by other duelers from doing stuff cause they choose to duel on top of NPCs in towns.
It seems pretty obvious that the game would benefit from a PvE server and a PvE server or phasing whatever they do.
It makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. Deal with it, makes absolutely no sense especially for the PvE conversation.
But let's actually look at where the shads are located in Cyrodil and Imperial City.
You actually have to go to contested or challenged areas to collect them all. You can't avoid PvP even in a dead zone cause you're literally at enemy keeps and towns
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't mind that Cyro is a PvP Zone, and for the most part, I am not bothered by other players. The few times I have encountered them, it was Live and Let Live, we each went our own way. Probably other PvE'rs.
Anyway, I just check the map before I go. If the area of map is owned by the faction of my character, I will go there and do what I need to do. If it is not, then I usually go do something else.Edited by Nestor on November 3, 2016 2:48PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Curtdogg47✭✭✭✭Its pretty easy. Just join a sever with a low pop. I found all but 4 skyshards and probably only 3 died times. Sometimes there are people that camp the quests in towns and that can be a tad annoying. Or Join a server where you side is dominating the map. That way you can travel to more of the map quicker.
Or go with a group. Some guilds do questing and sky shard hunts in the PVP areas.0 -
Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »So you don't want to play part of the game but you want what's in it?
Fine. I'll take a raid instance with no mobs and just loot piñatas everywhere.
This is hypocrisy. The PvE players in Cyrodiil still have to do PvE content. Quests, bosses, anchors etc. There will be no piñatas in pure PvE campaign.
There's no hypocrisy just a point about how there are many bits of content locked behind different activities (even more so with all the new BOP sets in specific dungeons.) You can only get some things in the IC, some just in trials, etc
The skyshards in Cyrodiil are meant to be gotten by doing the Cyrodiil content - and that includes the possibility of being killed by another player. A no PVP Cyrodiil instance is just as ridiculous as my trial loot example.
Well actually a no PvP Cyrodil and Imperial City aren't silly at all considering the rest of the world plays together and gets along just fine.
Actually Cyrodil should have PvP, and non-PvP campaigns because everyone doesn't want to do PvP.
Just like anyone now can duel in PvE zones
Duels... lol. Trade you a no PVP Cyrodiil and IC for a PVP everywhere Tamriel. Deal?
Yes there are different parts to this game that don't appeal to some... just deal with it.
I'm no asking for any trade nor is that of any interest to me but look at what you're saying and what we are saying.
You want a PvP game everywhere.
We want a PvE game everywhere.
But you're saying...deal with it
No one is saying No you can't have a phased or different PvP experience. So why would you say deal with it as I don't want PvP or even duels so I'm forced to change my settings but I'm still blocked by other duelers from doing stuff cause they choose to duel on top of NPCs in towns.
It seems pretty obvious that the game would benefit from a PvE server and a PvE server or phasing whatever they do.
It makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. Deal with it, makes absolutely no sense especially for the PvE conversation.
But let's actually look at where the shads are located in Cyrodil and Imperial City.
You actually have to go to contested or challenged areas to collect them all. You can't avoid PvP even in a dead zone cause you're literally at enemy keeps and towns
No I actually do not want PVP everywhere. I was just saying that to emphasize the point. I prefer and have always preferred this DAoC-like system of separate PVP zones.
What I don't do is complain about not having access to things that are locked behind content I chose not to do. That's the whole point here.
ESO is a rich world because it has content that appeals to different tastes. Whining about not having the things others have access to, and asking for it to be modified according to my taste is not something I would ever do. But then, I'm old like that.1 -
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✭✭drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »
As many have said use a dead campigan there's your Pve zone and theirs not an argument really that you couldn't
A PvP zone that has PvP players in it is not a PvE zone.drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »White wabbit wrote: »
As many have said use a dead campigan there's your Pve zone and theirs not an argument really that you couldn't
A PvP zone that has PvP players in it is not a PvE zone.
Wow so their might be a couple of people on you do know that I have to put up with 1000s of PvErs when in that zone so I'm sure you can put up with 1 of 2 PvPers in a zone0 -
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✭Knootewoot wrote: »I did all delves when Cyrodill was brand new and I didn't have problems back then. Just go there and collect them. Small chance you will see a PvP ganker. I think you will first encounter a PvE 'er like yourself who will start the fight.
Last time I tried it (admittedly over a year ago) gankers were still camping a lot of the skyshards. Finally gave up on it and vowed never to come back to Cyrodill without a large group in tow.
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✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »I did all delves when Cyrodill was brand new and I didn't have problems back then. Just go there and collect them. Small chance you will see a PvP ganker. I think you will first encounter a PvE 'er like yourself who will start the fight.
Last time I tried it (admittedly over a year ago) gankers were still camping a lot of the skyshards. Finally gave up on it and vowed never to come back to Cyrodill without a large group in tow.
I doubt you find anyone camping sky shards or quests these days unless your on the main campigan and even then I very much doubt it , just took a pver around all the dolmens in a dead campaign a few days ago and only saw one other player and he was just PvEingEdited by White wabbit on November 3, 2016 3:10PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Or you can simply go to one of the many quasi-empty campaigns there. For example on EU-PC only Trueflame is always full, Ebony Blade had moderate population until One Tamriel came, but now it's mostly empty, and Spell Breaker has been empty for as long as I can remember. I reckon that's the situation on most server. 1-2 campaigns that are full, and the rest which are empty. If you go on an empty campaign you will only meet a player every couple of hours or so. So I really see no reason to have a special crown store token to make you "neutral" or something like that.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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✭White wabbit wrote: »Just use a dead campaign
Now I'm actually going to advise using a full campaign as there is less chance of finding people in the Delves, also long as you don't follow the direct paths between keeps you shouldn't meet any gankers or Zergs either.
I've collected all the the shards on all 10 toons on a full campaign! may be had half dozen fights in a delve, one of which I assume was a zerg getting the AP bonus...0 -
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✭✭✭✭Only if delves outside of Cyrodiil have pvp flagged so I can kill grinders while collecting skyshards
I would crit rush -> flawless dawnbreaker -> heavy attack -> execute all those noobs camping bosses for set pieces and skulls. Have them res only at the end of the dungeon, or even better at the zone main city, just like Cyrodiil
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »So you don't want to play part of the game but you want what's in it?
Fine. I'll take a raid instance with no mobs and just loot piñatas everywhere.
This is hypocrisy. The PvE players in Cyrodiil still have to do PvE content. Quests, bosses, anchors etc. There will be no piñatas in pure PvE campaign.
There's no hypocrisy just a point about how there are many bits of content locked behind different activities (even more so with all the new BOP sets in specific dungeons.) You can only get some things in the IC, some just in trials, etc
The skyshards in Cyrodiil are meant to be gotten by doing the Cyrodiil content - and that includes the possibility of being killed by another player. A no PVP Cyrodiil instance is just as ridiculous as my trial loot example.
Well actually a no PvP Cyrodil and Imperial City aren't silly at all considering the rest of the world plays together and gets along just fine.
Actually Cyrodil should have PvP, and non-PvP campaigns because everyone doesn't want to do PvP.
Just like anyone now can duel in PvE zones
Duels... lol. Trade you a no PVP Cyrodiil and IC for a PVP everywhere Tamriel. Deal?
Yes there are different parts to this game that don't appeal to some... just deal with it.
I'm no asking for any trade nor is that of any interest to me but look at what you're saying and what we are saying.
You want a PvP game everywhere.
We want a PvE game everywhere.
But you're saying...deal with it
No one is saying No you can't have a phased or different PvP experience. So why would you say deal with it as I don't want PvP or even duels so I'm forced to change my settings but I'm still blocked by other duelers from doing stuff cause they choose to duel on top of NPCs in towns.
It seems pretty obvious that the game would benefit from a PvE server and a PvE server or phasing whatever they do.
It makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. Deal with it, makes absolutely no sense especially for the PvE conversation.
But let's actually look at where the shads are located in Cyrodil and Imperial City.
You actually have to go to contested or challenged areas to collect them all. You can't avoid PvP even in a dead zone cause you're literally at enemy keeps and towns
No I actually do not want PVP everywhere. I was just saying that to emphasize the point. I prefer and have always preferred this DAoC-like system of separate PVP zones.
What I don't do is complain about not having access to things that are locked behind content I chose not to do. That's the whole point here.
ESO is a rich world because it has content that appeals to different tastes. Whining about not having the things others have access to, and asking for it to be modified according to my taste is not something I would ever do. But then, I'm old like that.
@Iselin
That doesn't emphasize a point if you're making empty comments. It causes me to read it and dismiss most of what you're writing because now it's pointless to write anything that's outside of reason in context to what's being discussed.
The topic is specifically about collecting skyshards in a PvP only zone. To suggest to go to a dead or less populated zone and collect sky shards in context and under the actual understanding of where these are located which many are in contested areas, doesn't offer any solutions.
I played DAOC and while I enjoyed the game, it's not an accurate comparison. There were not PvE skill points locked in the frontier in DAOC. Also no one is complaining about not doing content. They situation is they (we) are trying to do content that by design forces us to PvP. PvP is not the content, PvP is the situation this content forces.
The content we are seeking are the skyshards that produce skill points.
And while your comments suggest people are whinning....(looks around) I don't see that here in my comments so let's not generalize. People are looking for realistic alternatives and in context to thaat discussion feedback provides the idea that a PvE Cyrodil makes a viable solution to the dilemma. The context is the game is now One Tamriel which means the faction based boarders were removed except for Cyrodil and Imperial City zones.
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✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »So you don't want to play part of the game but you want what's in it?
Fine. I'll take a raid instance with no mobs and just loot piñatas everywhere.
This is hypocrisy. The PvE players in Cyrodiil still have to do PvE content. Quests, bosses, anchors etc. There will be no piñatas in pure PvE campaign.
There's no hypocrisy just a point about how there are many bits of content locked behind different activities (even more so with all the new BOP sets in specific dungeons.) You can only get some things in the IC, some just in trials, etc
The skyshards in Cyrodiil are meant to be gotten by doing the Cyrodiil content - and that includes the possibility of being killed by another player. A no PVP Cyrodiil instance is just as ridiculous as my trial loot example.
Well actually a no PvP Cyrodil and Imperial City aren't silly at all considering the rest of the world plays together and gets along just fine.
Actually Cyrodil should have PvP, and non-PvP campaigns because everyone doesn't want to do PvP.
Just like anyone now can duel in PvE zones
Duels... lol. Trade you a no PVP Cyrodiil and IC for a PVP everywhere Tamriel. Deal?
Yes there are different parts to this game that don't appeal to some... just deal with it.
I'm no asking for any trade nor is that of any interest to me but look at what you're saying and what we are saying.
You want a PvP game everywhere.
We want a PvE game everywhere.
But you're saying...deal with it
No one is saying No you can't have a phased or different PvP experience. So why would you say deal with it as I don't want PvP or even duels so I'm forced to change my settings but I'm still blocked by other duelers from doing stuff cause they choose to duel on top of NPCs in towns.
It seems pretty obvious that the game would benefit from a PvE server and a PvE server or phasing whatever they do.
It makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. Deal with it, makes absolutely no sense especially for the PvE conversation.
But let's actually look at where the shads are located in Cyrodil and Imperial City.
You actually have to go to contested or challenged areas to collect them all. You can't avoid PvP even in a dead zone cause you're literally at enemy keeps and towns
No I actually do not want PVP everywhere. I was just saying that to emphasize the point. I prefer and have always preferred this DAoC-like system of separate PVP zones.
What I don't do is complain about not having access to things that are locked behind content I chose not to do. That's the whole point here.
ESO is a rich world because it has content that appeals to different tastes. Whining about not having the things others have access to, and asking for it to be modified according to my taste is not something I would ever do. But then, I'm old like that.
@Iselin
That doesn't emphasize a point if you're making empty comments. It causes me to read it and dismiss most of what you're writing because now it's pointless to write anything that's outside of reason in context to what's being discussed.
The topic is specifically about collecting skyshards in a PvP only zone. To suggest to go to a dead or less populated zone and collect sky shards in context and under the actual understanding of where these are located which many are in contested areas, doesn't offer any solutions.
I played DAOC and while I enjoyed the game, it's not an accurate comparison. There were not PvE skill points locked in the frontier in DAOC. Also no one is complaining about not doing content. They situation is they (we) are trying to do content that by design forces us to PvP. PvP is not the content, PvP is the situation this content forces.
The content we are seeking are the skyshards that produce skill points.
And while your comments suggest people are whinning....(looks around) I don't see that here in my comments so let's not generalize. People are looking for realistic alternatives and in context to thaat discussion feedback provides the idea that a PvE Cyrodil makes a viable solution to the dilemma. The context is the game is now One Tamriel which means the faction based boarders were removed except for Cyrodil and Imperial City zones.
Skill points? Dude, we're talking about 5 out of 300+. You get one hell of a lot more skill points in Cyrodiil by PVPing there. Fretting about those is petty in the extreme - especially now that you can go anywhere at every level. Hell I have CP400+ characters that PVP and have never even bothered to get all the Cyrodiil skyshards... and they have tons of unspent skill points.
Suggesting a PVE Cyrodiil instance for those measly 15 skyshards is nothing more than misguided entitlement mentality by the PVP-phobic.Edited by Iselin on November 3, 2016 3:22PM2 -
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✭✭At the center of Cyrodiil, the three Alliances compete against daedric overlords and each other for control over the Imperial City and access to the White Gold Tower
So now all 3 factions would be working together is what some are trying to say0