Should BOP be removed ?

ForsakenSin · November 2016

Hi

First of all let me explain and i apologize for the long read ,

Games are supposed to be fun MMO are there to play with your friends, teaming up , been part of guilds and socialize.
When you are about to play the game you want to relax to escape from reality from work ect you are thinking "I can't wait to do this trial" or "i wonder if that funny guy is online ", "i want to jump to PVP my alliance is loosing and we got awesome strategy to take over this castle" ..... and that felling is before you start a game it makes you excited you hold that mouse or xbox controller or ps4 and you go .. "all right lets do this".

However at the moment i have realized that now my though and feelings have changed.. right now even before i start the game its this.." ok i will que up for DS vet hopefully somebody will join and in mean time i will run solo DS to try again to find the one handed automatons drop.. ANY one handed drop .. after weeks of farming and not seeing any drop well ... you get discouraged.

Right now even before i start the game there is that pause... there is that felling that fells like work and disappointment ...the felling that you know there is 1 in 642 chances you will get that item you need to finish your build. and that ... that just gives me that pause not to turn on the game and that is bad... when you have that hesitation to turn on the game well...you know there is problem.

Before the update when you are theory crafting you get excited because this IS the final build it will be OP ( even we all know its not lol) you still get excited trying to make something different to experiment and you had a simple choice .. farm it and find few pieces or buy it and it was simple. People who didn't need it sold it to those who need it made money and got something they needed and circle of want and demand is completed , economy was booming people who done trials or farmed items made gold by selling the items and thus been able to help their guilds in preparation in teaching noobs and running trials those who play PVP were able to finish their build and go back in pvp and help their guild, PVE theory crafting people were able to experiment.

However now everything has changed with BOP, either RNG has to be changed smarter for example if you are wearing 2 pieces of the same set and you are running the specific dungeon that set has increased chance to drop OR just remove BOP its useless and discouraging for players.

And im not talking just about my self there are many people in guilds that used to play every day that now play 2 times a week because they gave up on the grind , there are people here who tried farming the set for a very very long time and still were unable to find the item they are looking for and others just gave up.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/299961/where-are-all-the-dreugh-king-slayer-weapons#latest

above 234 runs and no 1 handed dagger .... this khajit;s determination is just unbelievable

KloudKotuzai wrote: »

Waiting for you to get your 2 1h daggers. I was going for 2 1h swords, until i realized it was probably never going to happen unless i devoted all my time for atleast a month. So I just gave up ... it kinda destroyed my spirit on playing so im taking a break now... my dream build is destroyed. good luck young khajit.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/300662/the-problem-with-weapon-drops-in-one-tamriel/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/301452/game-is-pretty-boring-now/p1

Im not quiting the game im just saying due to BOP changes, my game time has de-creased from playing every night to now 2 times a week due to been discourage. I don't fell like we should be forced to farm same dungeon over 200 times to get one item while isolating our selfs from been social and playing the game with our friends doing trials pvp ect.

Now i know what you will say .." nobody is forcing you to do this ect" and your right they are not, however they are pushing us in that direction in order to be competitive with others you need to be on top or on par with the competition and only way to do that is to farm endlessly until you get the item you need.

I thought BOP will be ok .. i understand farming and getting your own items and not just buy them i can understand that mentality however 1 in 642 chances to get that item its un thinkable.

So im asking you guys what do you think ?

lolo_01b16_ESO · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Why not remove it on msa drops aswell? Don't you feel sorry for the people who did 500+ runs, got their flawless conquerer more than half a year ago and still don't have their desired weapon?
If you want to make sure people can't simply buy endgame gear, you could always lock trading of those items behind certain achievementes.

ForsakenSin · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Thank you for your input . I understand there are people who done over 500 runs and i know people in my guild who still didn't get their item they need, however i didn't want to include VMSA BOP vs BOE due to many other threads out there and many arguments , however what you are purposing is one of the possibility that could work but that is for another day and it should be looked into it.

My main concern right now is all this sets that are BOP and ruining the game.

LaiTash · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

BOP surely must be removed, but the drop rate should be lowered as well.

IcyDeadPeople · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

As an alternative, would be nice if it were possible to buy more of the BoP items using alliance points at the Cyrodiil vendor. Quite a few players would prefer to do PVP rather than dungeons and trials.

Last weekend due to a bug it seems The Golden vendor included double the normal options, and it was exciting to try to earn enough AP to buy each of the various monster helms and jewelry before she disappeared.

Lukums1 · November 2016

I have everything I need and want, and I seriously mean ALL the sets and all the maelstrom weapons with the exact trait I wanted.
It's RNG it makes you play the game.

Play with friends, trade between each other you stated that you couldn't find weapons. We have dre king weapons all night not in good traits but they were def there.

With this amount of effort below

above 234 runs and no 1 handed dagger .... this khajit;s determination is just unbelievable
KloudKotuzai wrote: »
Waiting for you to get your 2 1h daggers. I was going for 2 1h swords, until i realized it was probably never going to happen unless i devoted all my time for atleast a month. So I just gave up ... it kinda destroyed my spirit on playing so im taking a break now...

my dream build is destroyed. good luck young khajit.

You could of completed maelstrom and started working on that RNG rather than those weapons. IMO

You'll never get BOP removed. Will never ever happen.

Kram8ion · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Of course they need removing heaven forbid we create a busy market economy between players and zos misses out
Just sayin"

WhiteMage · November 2016

Better yet, make it easier to get your desired drop in far fewer runs. I don't need to be gouged at the prices players set for this gear.

BoP is a necessary lock on certain items. Sure, I may get the drop I want sooner if I pay someone for it, but that's not addressing the real issue, it just lets people profit off it.

ComboBreaker88 · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

ForsakenSin wrote: »

Hi

First of all let me explain and i apologize for the long read ,

Games are supposed to be fun MMO are there to play with your friends, teaming up , been part of guilds and socialize.
When you are about to play the game you want to relax to escape from reality from work ect you are thinking "I can't wait to do this trial" or "i wonder if that funny guy is online ", "i want to jump to PVP my alliance is loosing and we got awesome strategy to take over this castle" ..... and that felling is before you start a game it makes you excited you hold that mouse or xbox controller or ps4 and you go .. "all right lets do this".

However at the moment i have realized that now my though and feelings have changed.. right now even before i start the game its this.." ok i will que up for DS vet hopefully somebody will join and in mean time i will run solo DS to try again to find the one handed automatons drop.. ANY one handed drop .. after weeks of farming and not seeing any drop well ... you get discouraged.

Right now even before i start the game there is that pause... there is that felling that fells like work and disappointment ...the felling that you know there is 1 in 642 chances you will get that item you need to finish your build. and that ... that just gives me that pause not to turn on the game and that is bad... when you have that hesitation to turn on the game well...you know there is problem.

Before the update when you are theory crafting you get excited because this IS the final build it will be OP ( even we all know its not lol) you still get excited trying to make something different to experiment and you had a simple choice .. farm it and find few pieces or buy it and it was simple. People who didn't need it sold it to those who need it made money and got something they needed and circle of want and demand is completed , economy was booming people who done trials or farmed items made gold by selling the items and thus been able to help their guilds in preparation in teaching noobs and running trials those who play PVP were able to finish their build and go back in pvp and help their guild, PVE theory crafting people were able to experiment.

However now everything has changed with BOP, either RNG has to be changed smarter for example if you are wearing 2 pieces of the same set and you are running the specific dungeon that set has increased chance to drop OR just remove BOP its useless and discouraging for players.

And im not talking just about my self there are many people in guilds that used to play every day that now play 2 times a week because they gave up on the grind , there are people here who tried farming the set for a very very long time and still were unable to find the item they are looking for and others just gave up.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/299961/where-are-all-the-dreugh-king-slayer-weapons#latest

above 234 runs and no 1 handed dagger .... this khajit;s determination is just unbelievable

KloudKotuzai wrote: »

Waiting for you to get your 2 1h daggers. I was going for 2 1h swords, until i realized it was probably never going to happen unless i devoted all my time for atleast a month. So I just gave up ... it kinda destroyed my spirit on playing so im taking a break now... my dream build is destroyed. good luck young khajit.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/300662/the-problem-with-weapon-drops-in-one-tamriel/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/301452/game-is-pretty-boring-now/p1

Im not quiting the game im just saying due to BOP changes, my game time has de-creased from playing every night to now 2 times a week due to been discourage. I don't fell like we should be forced to farm same dungeon over 200 times to get one item while isolating our selfs from been social and playing the game with our friends doing trials pvp ect.

Now i know what you will say .." nobody is forcing you to do this ect" and your right they are not, however they are pushing us in that direction in order to be competitive with others you need to be on top or on par with the competition and only way to do that is to farm endlessly until you get the item you need.

I thought BOP will be ok .. i understand farming and getting your own items and not just buy them i can understand that mentality however 1 in 642 chances to get that item its un thinkable.

So im asking you guys what do you think ?

I would even say VDSA weapons should be unbound.

Mady · November 2016

NO leave the BOP as it is, you need to earn the items.

I was against BoP all the time.... But now, I feel so happy earning my items instead of just buying them. Even though it takes time.

But I would like to see a token system. Every boss drops tokens and you can trade them for weapons, armor or other stuff (pots, crafting etc.).

ForsakenSin · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Thank you for the inputs , i agree i and others could work on getting VMSA weapons however considering RGN on that one .. well just look at all of the players who done over 500 runs and never got what they are after.

Token system is what allot of people were asking for especially for VMSA and MSA that or to make VMSA 2 man party

STEVIL · November 2016

NO leave the BOP as it is, you need to earn the items.

i voted no leave it as it is because the poll is obviously intended to be self-serving.

if YOUR fun is being hit because of BOP getting between you and your objectives, then its hypocritical to complain and start a poll about it but refuse to consider letting ALL BOP go away as even an option in your poll.

IMO, excluding the option to vote for making ALL BOP gone... thats saying "but hey lets get a poll which supports me getting what i want and who cares about anyone else."

SOme people will say BOP deserves to be in for "accomplishment" and "things earned".

Some will say that about VMSA-hard mode.
Some will say that about the dungeons you worry about.

But you dont want to say "sorry your VMSA hangup is bad for other players to the former so you construct a poll that eliminates that.

So i vote no to your proposition.

EITHER BOP is an OK mechanic to be employed in the game to enable fun for those wanting "special limited gear they earned" or "its not" and the dividing line should not be decided by whether or not a particular piece of gear is in your amazon wishlist.

That said, there are now so many drop sets of every flavor out there with many many things dropping from chests.... its not like there aren't very good options for building/buying sets you can be competitive in.

NewBlacksmurf · November 2016

NO leave the BOP as it is, you need to earn the items.

No.

ForsakenSin · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

@STEVIL

Thanx for your input and i get what you are saying however i didn't want to include the VMSA weapons because there are number of polls and so So many arguments already made regarding that, also VMSA is not something everybody has done it or can do it and its a solo run , so i wanted to keep the VMSA separate for that reason, this was simple done on the drooped items in dungeons where people can run it on normal solo it and vet ect.

And you are right i am upset that it will take me and everybody else 1 in 642 chances to get the item i need however i actually didn't do this poll for just my self i also done if for other people as well... there is a link of that poor guy who done 240 runs for dagger of DKS and has not gotten it.

RavenSworn · November 2016

NO leave the BOP as it is, you need to earn the items.

Wouldn't this be deemed as gold selling? like, you would have this trains of bots again like during launch that will farm bosses and then sell it for RL money? i mean, this will ultimately be the downfall of the game, the final nail on the coffin. It already was a big business before, selling gold items and jewelry in the guild stores, with the removal of BoP... seriously, it will be bad for the game in the long run.

ForsakenSin · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

Wouldn't this be deemed as gold selling? like, you would have this trains of bots again like during launch that will farm bosses and then sell it for RL money? i mean, this will ultimately be the downfall of the game, the final nail on the coffin. It already was a big business before, selling gold items and jewelry in the guild stores, with the removal of BoP... seriously, it will be bad for the game in the long run.

As im on xbone however there are number of threads about bots already , i think the main solution would be banning those bots from existing in the first place banning the accounts.

im pretty sure bots are not able to fight against world boss considering they have over 1 mill hp and are not predictable.

however bots are still farming nodes ect which can be refined and sold in materials and thus creating gold and sale for real money and causes problems.

LaiTash · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

Wouldn't this be deemed as gold selling? like, you would have this trains of bots again like during launch that will farm bosses and then sell it for RL money? i mean, this will ultimately be the downfall of the game, the final nail on the coffin. It already was a big business before, selling gold items and jewelry in the guild stores, with the removal of BoP... seriously, it will be bad for the game in the long run.

Overland items aren't BoP anyway, and i honestly don't see how a bot can deal with some vet dungeon bosses. If they were worried about RMT, they should've made overland loot BoP, not dungeon/trial loot. It just doesn't make sense. Bots in trials, really?

Acrolas · November 2016

YES remove BOP on all items except for trials drop ( not including VMSA drops)

Keep trials BOP. Make a bit of lore that your rewards from those events are a mark of a champion and in respect to The Divines they cannot be transferred to somebody outside of your champion's constellations.

But everything else? Buy sell or trade that ***. Just make it that you can only run each endgame event once per day per character.

While they're at it they can make practice-level dungeons that only drop training gear. So people can at least run through a new dungeon once and get a feel for it. And because some people just want set pieces and don't really care as much about the trait.

Basically, BOP is just buying time to not create new and progressive content. And what ZOS could really use more than anything is some serious fire under their ***.

DannyLV702 · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

It REALLY sucks when you get a really good drop that you know someone else wants but having to deconstruct it instead

ForsakenSin · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Acrolas wrote: »

Basically, BOP is just buying time to not create new and progressive content. And what ZOS could really use more than anything is some serious fire under their ***.

Damm.. ive never thought of it that way

dem0n1k · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

When doing random dungeon dailies to earn Undaunted skill points, many of the sets dropped are not going to be the sets you (or your group) may want...but there is probably someone out there who does want them. For that reason I really think dungeon sets should be BOE.

I vote for no more BOP... but even better would be less random, more sensible* loot drops.
*by 'more sensible' , I mean.. no more destro staffs in stamina sets, no more 2H weapons in magicka sets, no more training traits in CP160 gear, NO MORE PREPOSTEROUS !#!@

LaiTash · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Acrolas wrote: »

But everything else? Buy sell or trade that ***. Just make it that you can only run each endgame event once per day per character.

Nah, there's enough dailies as it is. It almost feels like a job.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave · November 2016

YES remove BOP on all items except for trials drop ( not including VMSA drops)

This one appreciates the poll, and then proceeded to hit the wrong button on the poll

But yes, either BoP needs to go, or just make the loot table a bit smarter. It is not that weapons of the DKS are not dropping, But currently running at a ratio of 14 staffs to 1 1H weapon on an all weapon damage set where a staff is glorified fire wood. Khajiit has not been getting cold in those long nights by the campfire.

Khajiit has had 1 dagger drop from a chest in FG1... in training. This one's guild mate has had a sharpened dagger drop from a trash mob in FG2 while part of a different farming group but of course cannot trade it or sell it because of BOP.

This is just wrong when you put so much planning in to a build and cannot complete it the way this one wants just because of the RNGeebus denying this one a weapon in a sensible trait.

Khajiit is not talking about some powerful staff or 1H weapon like a Maelstrom weapon, where on their own they can add so much. This one is referring to a 5 piece set where if this was overland this would have been completed long ago.

Off for run 235 now. Dark Moons.

nine9six · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Hate me some BoP.

bellanca6561n · November 2016

NO leave the BOP as it is, you need to earn the items.

Although I will likely never be comfortable with the very idea of a single player arena trial in a multiplayer game delivering items many consider essential to group play, I'd tip my hat to anyone who makes it through both the challenge itself, and the ludicrous dice roll that determines what they get for doing so.

But I don't wear hats.

Lord_Eomer · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

Removing BOP will buff some life in ESO world..

Cryptical · November 2016

NO leave the BOP as it is, you need to earn the items.

Your problem is with the random number generator, not BoP.

Easily_Lost · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

I do not do dungeons, I play solo so I do not have access to any of the armour. If they could be sold many people like me would be able to have them.

Gargath · November 2016

NO leave the BOP as it is, you need to earn the items.

No, game should not be that easy. We need to earn this.
With BOP removal I expect less interaction with other players, eg. now if we go farm some items in dungeon we can ask others for their drops and buy them when they drop. The Chance to get desired drop is low but increases when delving with friends who can share their drops. I think that's the way mmo should work.
Exchanging BOP for BOE would also flood the market traders with drops in short duration causing many to loose interest in farming items if they can buy them for gold. Thus much lower interest in many group activities.

Awakatanka · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

BoP needs to go on everything. Makes the market alive again. And for People that did not buy the dlc where that pieces drops make a message. "Sorry you need dlc xxxx to use this pieces"

Agalloch · November 2016

YES remove the useless BOP on all items ( not including VMSA drops)

After 1 TAMRIEL BOP ...I see rarely people doing normal trials. ZOS killed the trials. How to learn them if there is no incentive to do them and learn them?
Also they killed the market and the crafters in many aspects.

Excuse my english.

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