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Crown crates .. What's wrong with negativity ?
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jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »When these things are released a large amount of people quit the game right out. They don't come whine on the forums. They don't make a scene. They say bye to guildies and quit.
As time goes on more people quit as they see how crappy these things are.
Due to loss of paying customers the studio turns more effort towards these boxes to make more revenue. Content is still released but gets more and more lacking because more time is concentrated towards boxes. More people quit.
People realise that without boxes, that neat mount would have been in crown store. People get mad, more people quit.
Studio has now lost lots of customers. They need money. More and more P2W items appear in these boxes to entice people to buy them. More people quit.
These boxes have a horrid stigma around them because anyone that has played any game that has introduced these things has seen this pattern in every one of them. Any time a game has introduced these things it goes on a decline. THIS IS FACT AND CAN BE PROVEN BY READING EVERY THREAD ABOUT THIS TOPIC WHERE MULTIPLE GAMES ARE BROUGHT UP. The only people who are for them are the (un)fortunate souls who haven't had them wreck a game they are invested in and love or people who play new mmos every other year and aren't around for the long haul in the first place.
Thank you for taking the time to post this so I don't have to explain the process to the people who have no experience with these schemes in MMOs again, I was getting tired of it.
Unfortunately, I imagine that the people who are defending the crates are just going to keep ignoring this. You can identify the People with no experience whatsoever by the "don't buy them, they are just cosmetics, it does not affect you" argument.
For the record, having no experience is NOTHING to be ashamed of, nobody is born knowing everything, and I don't mean to offend anyone when I say they are inexperienced with RNG boxes in MMOs. Although it would be nice if they read the actual arguments against the crates before posting their own arguments, so we wouldn't have so many posts with irrelevant arguments that do not tackle the issue.
yeah, all well and good but.... where are they?
"They" what? The people who are posting arguments that have nothing to do with the issue? The MMOs killed by the development shift caused by the crates? The various explanations about the development shift (which is the actual problem with the crates)? There is one explanation on the development shift on the post I quoted.
they what?
are you being deliberately obtuse?
the crates.... obviously
No, just that there were multiple things in my post that could be called a "they". You could be questioning where the people with the arguments that do not tackle the issues were (these people being a "they"), where the arguments detailing the actual issue were (also a "they") or where the games we keep referencing to were (the games also being a "they").
The crates were put up for testing on the PTS last test cycle (and removed about a week later). We don't have an actual ETA on them other than "later this year", if that's what you wish to know.
this is just the kind of patronising drivel i have come to expect from the anti crate brigade.
i'll stop now.0 -
KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭GW2 has 'crates' but no one buys them. You loot the chests and you can earn keys from leveling or buy keys from the shop... but you can convert in-game gold into the shop's currency (gems) so you can gamble with fake money rather than real. But no one does that as the chests are pretty worthless.0 -
Nyghthowler✭✭✭✭✭
✭How is anything in a game like this "useless" ? If it's an item that gives you bonus damage or bonus regen than how is it worthless?
If the boxes are simply for cosmetic items or mounts what difference does it make? It wont effect your game play.
Because the focus of the devs goes from making more, better content to creating bigger, greater items for the gambling boxes.
Also, the items go from innocuous, to cool but whatever, and finally get to must have if you want to be able to progress at all.I'm not prejudiced; I hate everyone equally !2 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »When these things are released a large amount of people quit the game right out. They don't come whine on the forums. They don't make a scene. They say bye to guildies and quit.
As time goes on more people quit as they see how crappy these things are.
Due to loss of paying customers the studio turns more effort towards these boxes to make more revenue. Content is still released but gets more and more lacking because more time is concentrated towards boxes. More people quit.
People realise that without boxes, that neat mount would have been in crown store. People get mad, more people quit.
Studio has now lost lots of customers. They need money. More and more P2W items appear in these boxes to entice people to buy them. More people quit.
These boxes have a horrid stigma around them because anyone that has played any game that has introduced these things has seen this pattern in every one of them. Any time a game has introduced these things it goes on a decline. THIS IS FACT AND CAN BE PROVEN BY READING EVERY THREAD ABOUT THIS TOPIC WHERE MULTIPLE GAMES ARE BROUGHT UP. The only people who are for them are the (un)fortunate souls who haven't had them wreck a game they are invested in and love or people who play new mmos every other year and aren't around for the long haul in the first place.
Thank you for taking the time to post this so I don't have to explain the process to the people who have no experience with these schemes in MMOs again, I was getting tired of it.
Unfortunately, I imagine that the people who are defending the crates are just going to keep ignoring this. You can identify the People with no experience whatsoever by the "don't buy them, they are just cosmetics, it does not affect you" argument.
For the record, having no experience is NOTHING to be ashamed of, nobody is born knowing everything, and I don't mean to offend anyone when I say they are inexperienced with RNG boxes in MMOs. Although it would be nice if they read the actual arguments against the crates before posting their own arguments, so we wouldn't have so many posts with irrelevant arguments that do not tackle the issue.
yeah, all well and good but.... where are they?
"They" what? The people who are posting arguments that have nothing to do with the issue? The MMOs killed by the development shift caused by the crates? The various explanations about the development shift (which is the actual problem with the crates)? There is one explanation on the development shift on the post I quoted.
they what?
are you being deliberately obtuse?
the crates.... obviously
No, just that there were multiple things in my post that could be called a "they". You could be questioning where the people with the arguments that do not tackle the issues were (these people being a "they"), where the arguments detailing the actual issue were (also a "they") or where the games we keep referencing to were (the games also being a "they").
The crates were put up for testing on the PTS last test cycle (and removed about a week later). We don't have an actual ETA on them other than "later this year", if that's what you wish to know.
this is just the kind of patronising drivel i have come to expect from the anti crate brigade.
i'll stop now.
I'm not patronizing you. Your personal attacks are absolutely uncalled for. Read your previous comment again. The most logical conclusion from what you asked, when quoting my comment, was that you wanted to know where the arguments that I was telling people to read were, not where the crates were. Although I thought you could also be asking me to point out who in the thread was inexperienced with MMOs or daring me to name the games that this kind of things killed. Actually, why would I even think that you were asking where the crates were, when it was repeated multiple times that they are coming "later this year" and I didn't say in any part of my comment that they were already in the game? Your question had so little to do with the post you quoted that I find it hard to believe you can't understand my confusion.KhajiitiLizard wrote: »GW2 has 'crates' but no one buys them. You loot the chests and you can earn keys from leveling or buy keys from the shop... but you can convert in-game gold into the shop's currency (gems) so you can gamble with fake money rather than real. But no one does that as the chests are pretty worthless.
You can also sell the stuff that the chests drop and farm keys. Or at least you could back when I played GW2.
It is not a system I particularly like, but it is still more consumer friendly than what we saw of the crates in the PTS.Edited by Abeille on October 30, 2016 11:20PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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Fear mongering much? Stick to the facts, please.Nyghthowler wrote: »How is anything in a game like this "useless" ? If it's an item that gives you bonus damage or bonus regen than how is it worthless?
If the boxes are simply for cosmetic items or mounts what difference does it make? It wont effect your game play.
Because the focus of the devs goes from making more, better content to creating bigger, greater items for the gambling boxes.
Also, the items go from innocuous, to cool but whatever, and finally get to must have if you want to be able to progress at all.2 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Fear mongering much? Stick to the facts, please.Nyghthowler wrote: »How is anything in a game like this "useless" ? If it's an item that gives you bonus damage or bonus regen than how is it worthless?
If the boxes are simply for cosmetic items or mounts what difference does it make? It wont effect your game play.
Because the focus of the devs goes from making more, better content to creating bigger, greater items for the gambling boxes.
Also, the items go from innocuous, to cool but whatever, and finally get to must have if you want to be able to progress at all.
It is what happened on every other game they were introduced (curiously, in many games, they were introduced by the same lady who was hired to do this in ESO too). Do you have a reason to believe ESO will be the only MMO that won't follow this path?Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
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What if ZOS tests lootbox concept internally by having Wrobel pull "balance decisions" out of them instead of items?Lava_Croft wrote: »
Fear mongering much? Stick to the facts, please.Nyghthowler wrote: »How is anything in a game like this "useless" ? If it's an item that gives you bonus damage or bonus regen than how is it worthless?
If the boxes are simply for cosmetic items or mounts what difference does it make? It wont effect your game play.
Because the focus of the devs goes from making more, better content to creating bigger, greater items for the gambling boxes.
Also, the items go from innocuous, to cool but whatever, and finally get to must have if you want to be able to progress at all.0 -
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Not every MMO has gone down this route and so far ESO has neither. There's more than enough time to cry foul, these crates are coming anyway.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Fear mongering much? Stick to the facts, please.Nyghthowler wrote: »How is anything in a game like this "useless" ? If it's an item that gives you bonus damage or bonus regen than how is it worthless?
If the boxes are simply for cosmetic items or mounts what difference does it make? It wont effect your game play.
Because the focus of the devs goes from making more, better content to creating bigger, greater items for the gambling boxes.
Also, the items go from innocuous, to cool but whatever, and finally get to must have if you want to be able to progress at all.
It is what happened on every other game they were introduced (curiously, in many games, they were introduced by the same lady who was hired to do this in ESO too). Do you have a reason to believe ESO will be the only MMO that won't follow this path?0 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Not every MMO has gone down this route and so far ESO has neither. There's more than enough time to cry foul, these crates are coming anyway.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Fear mongering much? Stick to the facts, please.Nyghthowler wrote: »How is anything in a game like this "useless" ? If it's an item that gives you bonus damage or bonus regen than how is it worthless?
If the boxes are simply for cosmetic items or mounts what difference does it make? It wont effect your game play.
Because the focus of the devs goes from making more, better content to creating bigger, greater items for the gambling boxes.
Also, the items go from innocuous, to cool but whatever, and finally get to must have if you want to be able to progress at all.
It is what happened on every other game they were introduced (curiously, in many games, they were introduced by the same lady who was hired to do this in ESO too). Do you have a reason to believe ESO will be the only MMO that won't follow this path?
Do you know any MMO that introduced this kind of RNG Crates and didn't go straight to the gutter shortly after?Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2 -
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✭✭Sorry I had to go wash my eyes out after reading so many spelling mistakes in the OP, what have I missed?Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!0 -
Nyghthowler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Fear mongering much? Stick to the facts, please.Nyghthowler wrote: »How is anything in a game like this "useless" ? If it's an item that gives you bonus damage or bonus regen than how is it worthless?
If the boxes are simply for cosmetic items or mounts what difference does it make? It wont effect your game play.
Because the focus of the devs goes from making more, better content to creating bigger, greater items for the gambling boxes.
Also, the items go from innocuous, to cool but whatever, and finally get to must have if you want to be able to progress at all.
I'm not fear mongering. Nor can I positively state this is what will happen with ESO. But, EVERY OTHER GAME I have played that introduced GAMBLIMG BOXES has gone this route. They cease to focus on content and only seem to care about bilking that next dollar out of the player base.
I hope I'm wrong. I love playing this game. So I'll hope for he best, and expect the worst. Because that is what past experience has taught me.
I'm not prejudiced; I hate everyone equally !1 -
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✭We all want to believe ZOS is better. For 2.5 years they have been. These are telling me they want to be like every other cheap f2p game on the market. It won't be good for the game. Never has been good for a game, won't be for ESO.Edited by JimT722 on October 31, 2016 12:37AM0 -
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I would not try to pretend like I know every MMO, unlike you. I stick to ESO and at this moment ESO is being quite nice when it comes down to what you can buy for real money from the Crown Store.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Not every MMO has gone down this route and so far ESO has neither. There's more than enough time to cry foul, these crates are coming anyway.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Fear mongering much? Stick to the facts, please.Nyghthowler wrote: »How is anything in a game like this "useless" ? If it's an item that gives you bonus damage or bonus regen than how is it worthless?
If the boxes are simply for cosmetic items or mounts what difference does it make? It wont effect your game play.
Because the focus of the devs goes from making more, better content to creating bigger, greater items for the gambling boxes.
Also, the items go from innocuous, to cool but whatever, and finally get to must have if you want to be able to progress at all.
It is what happened on every other game they were introduced (curiously, in many games, they were introduced by the same lady who was hired to do this in ESO too). Do you have a reason to believe ESO will be the only MMO that won't follow this path?
Do you know any MMO that introduced this kind of RNG Crates and didn't go straight to the gutter shortly after?
If you really want to use "every other MMO" as an argument, a good start would be to not apply it abritrarily just because it suits your particular crusade against these silly crates.
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
I would not try to pretend like I know every MMO, unlike you. I stick to ESO and at this moment ESO is being quite nice when it comes down to what you can buy for real money from the Crown Store.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Not every MMO has gone down this route and so far ESO has neither. There's more than enough time to cry foul, these crates are coming anyway.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Fear mongering much? Stick to the facts, please.Nyghthowler wrote: »How is anything in a game like this "useless" ? If it's an item that gives you bonus damage or bonus regen than how is it worthless?
If the boxes are simply for cosmetic items or mounts what difference does it make? It wont effect your game play.
Because the focus of the devs goes from making more, better content to creating bigger, greater items for the gambling boxes.
Also, the items go from innocuous, to cool but whatever, and finally get to must have if you want to be able to progress at all.
It is what happened on every other game they were introduced (curiously, in many games, they were introduced by the same lady who was hired to do this in ESO too). Do you have a reason to believe ESO will be the only MMO that won't follow this path?
Do you know any MMO that introduced this kind of RNG Crates and didn't go straight to the gutter shortly after?
If you really want to use "every other MMO" as an argument, a good start would be to not apply it abritrarily just because it suits your particular crusade against these silly crates.
I remember when a subscription game went free to play. The first time I was excited. I quickly realized they were all crap. The worst subscription game in my opinion to go f2p had gambling crates. SWTOR constantly updated the crates and spammed me with emails with what I could have. Scavenge it today, they would say. Like I'm a complete idiot. The expansions always disappointed me.
These crown crates won't be better for this game either.Edited by JimT722 on October 31, 2016 12:54AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
I would not try to pretend like I know every MMO, unlike you. I stick to ESO and at this moment ESO is being quite nice when it comes down to what you can buy for real money from the Crown Store.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Not every MMO has gone down this route and so far ESO has neither. There's more than enough time to cry foul, these crates are coming anyway.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Fear mongering much? Stick to the facts, please.Nyghthowler wrote: »How is anything in a game like this "useless" ? If it's an item that gives you bonus damage or bonus regen than how is it worthless?
If the boxes are simply for cosmetic items or mounts what difference does it make? It wont effect your game play.
Because the focus of the devs goes from making more, better content to creating bigger, greater items for the gambling boxes.
Also, the items go from innocuous, to cool but whatever, and finally get to must have if you want to be able to progress at all.
It is what happened on every other game they were introduced (curiously, in many games, they were introduced by the same lady who was hired to do this in ESO too). Do you have a reason to believe ESO will be the only MMO that won't follow this path?
Do you know any MMO that introduced this kind of RNG Crates and didn't go straight to the gutter shortly after?
If you really want to use "every other MMO" as an argument, a good start would be to not apply it abritrarily just because it suits your particular crusade against these silly crates.
I am not pretending I know every MMO ever, but I know every MMO that this particular person who was hired to introduce the crates worked on and I know exactly what happened to each of them when she "did her thing". I am not asking you for much. I am asking you for ONE title. Can you provide me with ONE title? One single MMO that can back up your claim that "not all of them" ended like this after introducing this kind of scheme?
Edited by Abeille on October 31, 2016 1:01AMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.3 -
MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭Can you provide me with ONE title? One single MMO that can back up your claim that "not all of them" ended like this after introducing this kind of scheme?
I'll save the time and effort. Nobody will be able to name a single MMO that wasn't ruined with the introduction of loot crates. Even "just cosmetic ones" because it really is as you say. Once they're in, all development effort goes towards them and not actual content.
But you can't tell the crate brigade that. They just don't hear it.I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.3 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MercyKilling wrote: »Can you provide me with ONE title? One single MMO that can back up your claim that "not all of them" ended like this after introducing this kind of scheme?
I'll save the time and effort. Nobody will be able to name a single MMO that wasn't ruined with the introduction of loot crates. Even "just cosmetic ones" because it really is as you say. Once they're in, all development effort goes towards them and not actual content.
But you can't tell the crate brigade that. They just don't hear it.
I imagine that to be the case, but @Lava_Croft said not all of them ended like that so I want to know which one didn't, because all of the ones I know had the development shift happen to them. Then they went f2p, the crates became the only source of money and they increasingly became the focus, which made players leave the games. The bad press that usually accompanies these boxes because of how hated they are by the MMO players in general also kept new players away. The reputation of the games and the companies were dragged to the mud. Everybody now remembers them as "failed MMOs".Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.3 -
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
I would not try to pretend like I know every MMO, unlike you. I stick to ESO and at this moment ESO is being quite nice when it comes down to what you can buy for real money from the Crown Store.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Not every MMO has gone down this route and so far ESO has neither. There's more than enough time to cry foul, these crates are coming anyway.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Fear mongering much? Stick to the facts, please.Nyghthowler wrote: »How is anything in a game like this "useless" ? If it's an item that gives you bonus damage or bonus regen than how is it worthless?
If the boxes are simply for cosmetic items or mounts what difference does it make? It wont effect your game play.
Because the focus of the devs goes from making more, better content to creating bigger, greater items for the gambling boxes.
Also, the items go from innocuous, to cool but whatever, and finally get to must have if you want to be able to progress at all.
It is what happened on every other game they were introduced (curiously, in many games, they were introduced by the same lady who was hired to do this in ESO too). Do you have a reason to believe ESO will be the only MMO that won't follow this path?
Do you know any MMO that introduced this kind of RNG Crates and didn't go straight to the gutter shortly after?
If you really want to use "every other MMO" as an argument, a good start would be to not apply it abritrarily just because it suits your particular crusade against these silly crates.
I am not pretending I know every MMO ever, but I know every MMO that this particular person who was hired to introduce the crates worked on and I know exactly what happened to each of them when she "did her thing". I am not asking you for much. I am asking you for ONE title. Can you provide me with ONE title? One single MMO that can back up your claim that "not all of them" ended like this after introducing this kind of scheme?
May as well give up arguing with that person. They are the kind that that believes this game can do no wrong.MercyKilling wrote: »Can you provide me with ONE title? One single MMO that can back up your claim that "not all of them" ended like this after introducing this kind of scheme?
I'll save the time and effort. Nobody will be able to name a single MMO that wasn't ruined with the introduction of loot crates. Even "just cosmetic ones" because it really is as you say. Once they're in, all development effort goes towards them and not actual content.
But you can't tell the crate brigade that. They just don't hear it.
You are absolutely correct. When the game goes down the drain and massive P2W items are in the crate and new content releases are laughed at, these people have either moved on and don't care anymore or are sitting there telling everyone that the game's thriving because they seen one max level toon run by them at prime time in the main city.
They nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
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✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Fear mongering much? Stick to the facts, please.Nyghthowler wrote: »How is anything in a game like this "useless" ? If it's an item that gives you bonus damage or bonus regen than how is it worthless?
If the boxes are simply for cosmetic items or mounts what difference does it make? It wont effect your game play.
Because the focus of the devs goes from making more, better content to creating bigger, greater items for the gambling boxes.
Also, the items go from innocuous, to cool but whatever, and finally get to must have if you want to be able to progress at all.
Okay. The crown crate experience potion/scroll/whatever is better than the players can craft. They originally stated this will never happen. The response to the crate feedback where people opened 50-80 crates on the pts and got literally hundreds of weak poisons and food not as good as provisioners can make was to buff the items in the crates to be better. Oh, yeah, they'll throw out s few new recipes so the provisioners can make something equal. Maybe. They "may" add new recipes to allow players to make somthing "similar".
They didn't take the step of removing the consumables that no one liked or wanted. They decided to buff them to be better.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3384769/#Comment_3384769
Hi everyone, here’s where we are with Crown Crates:
We put systems on the PTS for player feedback for a reason – we have sifted (and continue to analyze) your feedback on Crown Crates, and as such, we’re going to make at least the following changes to the system before it goes live later this year:
We are working to change the way the system works to ensure that you get higher tiered items more often.
We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
We will also take another look at Crown Crate potions, food, XP scrolls, etc. with an eye towards boosting their effectiveness and/or duration. This *may* entail us adding new recipes to allow crafters to make similar items.
We may well find other changes we want to make as well, and will let everyone know what we have done when this initial round of changes are in and can test them internally. emphasis mine
So if they believe that people aren't buying the items, they won't stop making them/putting them in the rngesus boxes; they'll make them better. Where does "better than what you can make or get in-game" turn to pay to win?4 -
elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭There not Pay 2 WIn, yet...........but give it time.....it is coming in the end
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✭✭✭✭Play TF2 to see a good example of crates that contain random items.
ZOS are mostly a bunch of idiots that have trouble doing the logical things that most other MMO's do. I don't see why they will all of a sudden make sense and try to center the game around these crates.1 -
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✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »Play TF2 to see a good example of crates that contain random items.
ZOS are mostly a bunch of idiots that have trouble doing the logical things that most other MMO's do. I don't see why they will all of a sudden make sense and try to center the game around these crates.
Apparently they have hired someone whose job seems to be focused on monetizing games as much as possible. She seems to be hired at games that went free to play/pay to win shortly after her intervention.
If they've hired someone whose main purpose is to get as much money as possible out of the game, then they aren't going to dial back anything having to do with the rngesus crates. That person's whole job is to make sure the crates are popular and sell. Nothing to do with the game, just the crates.
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »I don't see why they will all of a sudden make sense and try to center the game around these crates.
Because they bring in revenue. There is no denying that at all. They work. The problem is that the game goes to *** and everyone leaves. The few remaining people left are people who have no problem dropping hundreds and hundreds a month on these boxes. Granted, in the long(er) run their revenue will get smaller and smaller where they will start laying off people that are working on the game. Nobody EVER (NOBODY) hires new devs with the influx of cash these things bring in. So the game gets less and less content and "stuff" released. More time is spent on putting more things in the boxes to get the remaining player base to spend even more money as the game slowly goes on life support.
What these boxes WILL NOT do is bring in more players. Anyone who is not playing currently is not going to go "OMG LOOK, ESO HAS LOTTERY CRATES ERMAGHERD WABBLE WABBLE *HEART ATTACK* I MUST GET THAT GAME NOW!!!@#$!!!" That does not happen. It will kill the game. That is the reason why everyone is against them. They know exactly what happens when they are introduced and they are scared because they like this game (myself included, I'm subbed along with my wife and we buy crowns a lot) and they do not want to see it go down this horrible route. The game's on the offramp, we're trying to get them to get back on the freeway and not hang a left onto bullsh*t avenue.
They nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
I'm blown away by the utter stupidity I see here on the daily. - Wrekkedd4 -
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✭For the nine, look at these comments. You guys are totally freaking out because of those boxes. Get yourselves together people, you guys are scaring me.
Anyway, I support ZOS and the CCrates, I think all this paranoia is nonsense. I'll gadly show my support to ZOS in my signature and I suggest other people to do it as well. We can not let these insane paranoia be more vocal than the rest of the players.
EDIT: Of course, if you play in PC/NA and is considering quitting the game because of those boxes, I'll kindly take your stuff so you don't have to bother with it. @milvan.Edited by Milvan on November 1, 2016 3:43PM“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
Gryphons guild - @Milvan,0 -
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