This is just terrible...

Argah · November 2016

Watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hjO3d234ak

Search for a quick dungeon and it gets disbanded before I even have chance to accept if I want to join so a 15 minute timer AGAIN!!! its happening a lot recently and putting me right off this game.

Mic1007 · November 2016

Yeah, I've given up on trying to get a group through the Group Finder. Easier to form a group outisde and just queue.

Shad0wfire99 · November 2016

This has happened to me a few times. Still not sure if someone is actually disbanding the group, or if it's an actual bug.

Argah · November 2016

Mic1007 wrote: »

Yeah, I've given up on trying to get a group through the Group Finder. Easier to form a group outisde and just queue.

Its driving me crazy because dungeons are pretty much all I do so when it happens I actually sit and wait 15 minutes.

AlexDaedric · November 2016

It's most likely due to high level players not happy with the group they've been put with, or haven't been assigned a Dungeon they like, it's kind of annoying.

I think there should be more variables taken into consideration when applying the 15 minute wait time.

I get why they have it, but when you haven't even entered the dungeon, and after 30+ minutes of queuing, it's a kick in the teeth.

Alucardo · November 2016

Happens here too. I've pretty much abandoned all hope on the dungeon finder. Came in useful a few times when I was just looking for a single person, but if you're trying to put a full group together, just forget about it.

Argah · November 2016

AlexDaedric wrote: »

It's most likely due to high level players not happy with the group they've been put with, or haven't been assigned a Dungeon they like, it's kind of annoying.

I think there should be more variables taken into consideration when applying the 15 minute wait time.

I get why they have it, but when you haven't even entered the dungeon, and after 30+ minutes of queuing, it's a kick in the teeth.

I don't think a 15 minute wait should be there at all its just a thing trolls can and do abuse.

Alucardo · November 2016

Argah wrote: »

AlexDaedric wrote: »

It's most likely due to high level players not happy with the group they've been put with, or haven't been assigned a Dungeon they like, it's kind of annoying.

I think there should be more variables taken into consideration when applying the 15 minute wait time.

I get why they have it, but when you haven't even entered the dungeon, and after 30+ minutes of queuing, it's a kick in the teeth.

I don't think a 15 minute wait should be there at all its just a thing trolls can and do abuse.

Yeah, if a group gets disbanded before it barely begins like you're video, there should be zero penalty.

Asardes · November 2016

Sometimes the group is disbanded by the tool itself. Had a bug where the group disbanded itself and we found ourselves kicked out of the dungeon as we were fighting the last boss. One of them was a premade group and we queued for VCoS. We were fighting Velidreth and then ... poof, back to Mournhold. Other times it made a group of 5 people and one had to leave. So the tool is buggy. The disband is not necessarily the player's fault. Best LFG in zone or guild chat, form a group then queue.

Argah · November 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

AlexDaedric wrote: »

It's most likely due to high level players not happy with the group they've been put with, or haven't been assigned a Dungeon they like, it's kind of annoying.

I think there should be more variables taken into consideration when applying the 15 minute wait time.

I get why they have it, but when you haven't even entered the dungeon, and after 30+ minutes of queuing, it's a kick in the teeth.

I don't think a 15 minute wait should be there at all its just a thing trolls can and do abuse.

Yeah, if a group gets disbanded before it barely begins like you're video, there should be zero penalty.

It's like they don't want people to do dungeons most of the time, I'm sure theres many like me who's favourite thing is doing them but are put off getting kicked before it starts etc. and being penalized for it.

bottleofsyrup · November 2016

Can't disband a group created through the group finder. It's a bug that ZOS still hasn't fixed.

Argah · November 2016

Asardes wrote: »

Sometimes the group is disbanded by the tool itself. Had a bug where the group disbanded itself and we found ourselves kicked out of the dungeon as we were fighting the last boss. One of them was a premade group and we queued for VCoS. We were fighting Velidreth and then ... poof, back to Mournhold. Other times it made a group of 5 people and one had to leave. So the tool is buggy. The disband is not necessarily the player's fault. Best LFG in zone or guild chat, form a group then queue.

It shouldn't be best to LFG if there's an in game groupfinder had enough of that crap in destiny the tool in this should just work and not have a 15 min penalty for being kicked.

Argah · November 2016

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Can't disband a group created through the group finder. It's a bug that ZOS still hasn't fixed.

Being kicked etc. wouldn't bother me if I didn't have to wait 15 minutes I understand some high level guys might want to play with someone similar but penalizeing the one kicked... That baffles me.

Sa0n · November 2016

Not a bug. Happened to me, I saw the group chat and they were voting me out because I was too low cp (270cp)
Too bad I'm an exp healer. I hope they had a good time waiting for another one.

Can't wait to be 300cp and considered "good enough." Just one of the reasons why I do what my signature says.

Enslaved · November 2016

kicking out cp270 healer?! Wow, just wow...

Asardes · November 2016

Finished VICP and VWGT with a ~220CP DD. And CPs are fare more important for DD than healer. The veteran hard mode dungeons, with the exception of SotH ones are perfectly doable for groups that average 250-300 CP. If someone has more than that and can't manage, his problem is not lack of CP, but lack of skill.

Dymence · November 2016

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Can't disband a group created through the group finder. It's a bug that ZOS still hasn't fixed.

This. What's shown in the video is a bug, since it clearly says the group got disbanded. You can't disband a dungeon finder group even if you have the group lead. You can only vote kick people or leave.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · November 2016

Dymence wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Can't disband a group created through the group finder. It's a bug that ZOS still hasn't fixed.

This. What's shown in the video is a bug, since it clearly says the group got disbanded. You can't disband a dungeon finder group even if you have the group lead. You can only vote kick people or leave.

This. Getting voted kicked and the group disbanded are two seperate issues. One is a bug. And one is people being wankers.

Argah · November 2016

Asardes wrote: »

Finished VICP and VWGT with a ~220CP DD. And CPs are fare more important for DD than healer. The veteran hard mode dungeons, with the exception of SotH ones are perfectly doable for groups that average 250-300 CP. If someone has more than that and can't manage, his problem is not lack of CP, but lack of skill.

Are the veteren hard mode dungeons you speak of the ones that unlock in group finder when hitting level 50 or something else?

Khaos_Bane · November 2016

The group finder has always been poorly designed and bugged unfortunately. Devs and Designers just cannot get it right. I have seen so many good ideas on the forums that are completely ignored.

To make this tool work for groups, they need to have a gear check and a CP check as well.

Asardes · November 2016

Argah wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Finished VICP and VWGT with a ~220CP DD. And CPs are fare more important for DD than healer. The veteran hard mode dungeons, with the exception of SotH ones are perfectly doable for groups that average 250-300 CP. If someone has more than that and can't manage, his problem is not lack of CP, but lack of skill.

Are the veteren hard mode dungeons you speak of the ones that unlock in group finder when hitting level 50 or something else?

Veteran mode is indeed locked until you hit level 50. Different normal dungeons have varying minimum level requirements. You can queue for DLC ones at level 10, though queuing for normal ICP or VWGT is not advisable. Even on normal the mechanics are much more demanding than vanilla game dungeons.

Argah · November 2016

Asardes wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Finished VICP and VWGT with a ~220CP DD. And CPs are fare more important for DD than healer. The veteran hard mode dungeons, with the exception of SotH ones are perfectly doable for groups that average 250-300 CP. If someone has more than that and can't manage, his problem is not lack of CP, but lack of skill.

Are the veteren hard mode dungeons you speak of the ones that unlock in group finder when hitting level 50 or something else?

Veteran mode is indeed locked until you hit level 50. Different normal dungeons have varying minimum level requirements. You can queue for DLC ones at level 10, though queuing for normal ICP or VWGT is not advisable. Even on normal the mechanics are much more demanding than vanilla game dungeons.

I've been looking forward to hitting level 50 and doing these as the normal ones are getting too easy but by the sound of things I'm just gonna get kicked for not having enough cp.

jakeedmundson · November 2016

You can't disband a group created by group finder. Try to disband one next time you're group lead... the only thing you can actually do is leave the group or vote to kick someone.

it's a bug... been around for a while now though. Very frustrating... i agree. I stopped doing dungeons recently because i get screwed by group finder so often. That auto disband issue or i get put into a group with 5 people OR it puts me in a group with no healer and 3 dps.

bottleofsyrup · November 2016

Argah wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Can't disband a group created through the group finder. It's a bug that ZOS still hasn't fixed.

Being kicked etc. wouldn't bother me if I didn't have to wait 15 minutes I understand some high level guys might want to play with someone similar but penalizeing the one kicked... That baffles me.

I agree. The timer should not be there for someone who was kicked.

Sa0n wrote: »

Not a bug. Happened to me, I saw the group chat and they were voting me out because I was too low cp (270cp)
Too bad I'm an exp healer. I hope they had a good time waiting for another one.

Can't wait to be 300cp and considered "good enough." Just one of the reasons why I do what my signature says.

In OP's video the "disband" is immediately upon the group being formed. Not even enough time for anyone to vote-kick him, not matter how fast they may be.

Asardes · November 2016

Argah wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Finished VICP and VWGT with a ~220CP DD. And CPs are fare more important for DD than healer. The veteran hard mode dungeons, with the exception of SotH ones are perfectly doable for groups that average 250-300 CP. If someone has more than that and can't manage, his problem is not lack of CP, but lack of skill.

Are the veteren hard mode dungeons you speak of the ones that unlock in group finder when hitting level 50 or something else?

Veteran mode is indeed locked until you hit level 50. Different normal dungeons have varying minimum level requirements. You can queue for DLC ones at level 10, though queuing for normal ICP or VWGT is not advisable. Even on normal the mechanics are much more demanding than vanilla game dungeons.

I've been looking forward to hitting level 50 and doing these as the normal ones are getting too easy but by the sound of things I'm just gonna get kicked for not having enough cp.

At level 45 you will receive a mail with an invitation to the undaunted enclave in your alliance capital - most likely DC from the scenery in the video so it's Wayrest - and you will receive a quest from it. Just talk to the NPCs there co complete and unlock the pledges. Of course you will be able to do just the normal modes for one key before you hit level 50. It's advisable to keep those keys until you hit at least CP160 and only then start opening the chests, because you will want their contents fully leveled. The pledge system has been changed in One Tamriel, and most veteran dungeons were buffed in terms of enemy health and damage. The only one that's now the same difficulty as I had experienced when I was low VR/CP about a year ago is VCoA 2. So it's advisable to wait until you are at least CP160 before attempting the veteran difficulty of those dungeons. In the mean time you will have the occasion to learn the mechanics and improve your skills and gear. Mechanics that can be ignored or healed on normal are one shot in veteran.