Why is character creation so bland?

Nerouyn · October 2016

I wouldn't call it bland. There's the lighting problem and a few other annoyances but if you play with it long enough you can make decent looking characters.

Unfortunately that requires actually creating a character and walking around with them in the world. With the character deletion limits (which I understand the reasons for) it can take weeks to arrive at something you're happy with. For me it took 6 and I'm not exaggerating in the slightest.

Scorpion1959 · October 2016

bellanca6561n wrote: »

It's not bad.

Man, I looked at this and thought...... well, never mind what I thought........ I think I need to get out more!

(Excellent work though matey. Excellent graphic.....yes graphic..... only a graphic....)

Banana · October 2016

Come on. This has to be the best one Ive used. You should try GTA5s. Nothing but crack heads and *** no matter what you try.

Prof_Bawbag · October 2016

nordsavage wrote: »

Maybe you are just not as creative as some of us are or lack the finer points of aesthetics or just do not know how to work with what is available. I for one am regularly complemented on my characters. I see many players with decent or better looking alts or at least creative and have their "trademark".

When i first began playing the game I thought there were some great looking characters, but the longer you play the game you soon realise there is no wow factor nor distinguishing features that make any character stand out from the rest because you basically see the same characters over and over again. I'm not doubting you take pride in your creations, but they're probably nothing impressive compared to 1000's of other similar toons running around. No pun intended, but people can dress it up any way they want, the fact is, the character creator is very limited (not bland) and as such I don't think I'd be bowled over by your characters as I'll have seen many similar ones running around.

Take the Bosmer females as an example, there's 1000's of them running around with long burgundy hair, cutesy looks and so on, yet there is zero distinguishing features about them that make them stand out from the next one you run into 10ft later.

Sausage · October 2016

I think there should be 3 option, young, adult and mature, if they make Character Creator like that, it'd no doubt bring more people to the game. Ironically most ES fans are old and the chars looks teens.

Coatmagic · October 2016

Scorpion1959 wrote: »

bellanca6561n wrote: »

It's not bad.

Man, I looked at this and thought...... well, never mind what I thought........ I think I need to get out more!

(Excellent work though matey. Excellent graphic.....yes graphic..... only a graphic....)

Aye, I don't swing that way, but she's a hottie

Just goes to show, if ya' work hard enough at it you can even make Imperial women look hawt

Nord and Breton females have been the ones I've had to re-roll the most to lose the cookie-cutter look.

NewBlacksmurf · October 2016

I personally feels it's waaaaay better than TES games and honestly it's better than a lot of MMo's made around 2012-2013

It just hasn't had any improvements made which are being requested as time passes. Also with spec upgrades maybe it's a better time to ask for specifics.

BlueViolet · October 2016

I think the char creator could do with some more facial marking / scars / tattoos and less odd / tarty makeup. I'd like to see a natural gloss lipstick with no matching eyeshadows, or some black eyeliners with no lipsticks at all.

There have been some nice characters posted in this thread, the creator isn't all bad, though it does suffer with dreadful lighting issues.
Also I noticed tonight that Redguard's cannot have grey or even salt and pepper hair colour on dreadlock styles. It turns out as a dark yellowish blonde.
Also, there is no beard that isn't a heavy ish type. There isn't anything like very thick stubble. Not that I can find anyway, though I am not used to making male characters.

Divinius · October 2016

I'll just leave this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgowBLb4sKw

TheShadowScout · October 2016

KaiVox22 wrote: »

I've seen MUCH worse, believe me

Indeed. ESO chargen is not perfect, but its better then many I have seen before... so I for one am mostly content... mostly...

Integral1900 wrote: »

I just wish that the female characters could be a bit more bulky, I've spent a lot of time with historical renactors and some of the lovely ladies there could snap a maxed out female nord physique in half like a bread stick. It's not supprising I suppose, the media still has a bug up its nose about ladies having to be all slender and helpless, all the time, even in eso you see them with characters that could barely lift that sword let alone swing it...

Agreed, and doubly so for some proportions. Like... hands. I have a maximum muscle orc blacksmith girl character, and it has always vexed me that her hands are far too dainty to look right on her arms... wish I had a slider for hand b8ulk as well to make her look better that way!

Sausage wrote: »

We all look like teenagers, thats what Ive said multiple times. Wheres like super fat, big belly, or body builder, handsome, charisma type etc...

...yes, Yes, YES!
I want to see fat friar healers, towering but gaunt "slenderman" type mages, over-muscular "hulk" orc warriors, boyish sorcerors apprentices, matronly witches, tiny skinny ninja girls, oversized "titanborn" nords, adult-movie-star impractical breast sizes, whatver!
As such, I really would love more chargen options. Heck, I'd gladly pay crowns for this, a "structural options" pack and some character redesign tokens...

And while we're at it, additional coloring options for skin and hair, for those who liike to play their characters as "halfbreed" (as in, nords may be generally pale skinned and fair haired, but if there is a bit of redguard in the family tree, there ought to be a dusky black-haired nord somewhere around Skyrim, yes?)

BuddyAces · October 2016

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Maybe you are just not as creative as some of us are or lack the finer points of aesthetics or just do not know how to work with what is available. I for one am regularly complemented on my characters. I see many players with decent or better looking alts or at least creative and have their "trademark".

When i first began playing the game I thought there were some great looking characters, but the longer you play the game you soon realise there is no wow factor nor distinguishing features that make any character stand out from the rest because you basically see the same characters over and over again. I'm not doubting you take pride in your creations, but they're probably nothing impressive compared to 1000's of other similar toons running around. No pun intended, but people can dress it up any way they want, the fact is, the character creator is very limited (not bland) and as such I don't think I'd be bowled over by your characters as I'll have seen many similar ones running around.

Take the Bosmer females as an example, there's 1000's of them running around with long burgundy hair, cutesy looks and so on, yet there is zero distinguishing features about them that make them stand out from the next one you run into 10ft later.

Thank you, your post was better than what I was trying to convey across.

Hairs still look crap and could use some love.

JD2013 · October 2016

No, this is a bland character creation.

Trublz · October 2016

Op has never played SWTOR obviously

Trublz · October 2016

Divinius wrote: »

I'll just leave this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgowBLb4sKw

Lol wtf is this

BuddyAces · October 2016

Trublz wrote: »

Op has never played SWTOR obviously

Did you read my OP? Look at every thing else in this game. See how awesome it looks? Now outside of 1 or 2 hairstyles it looks like the hairs were imported from a lesser game. That's the point I'm trying to get across.

Qbiken · October 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I disagree. The character creation is pretty robust.

What armor set is dis?????? Khajiit needs

PS. Nice character

Skayaq · October 2016

Qbiken wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I disagree. The character creation is pretty robust.

What armor set is dis?????? Khajiit needs

PS. Nice character

It's order of the hour medium armor

Trublz · October 2016

BuddyAces wrote: »

Trublz wrote: »

Op has never played SWTOR obviously

Did you read my OP? Look at every thing else in this game. See how awesome it looks? Now outside of 1 or 2 hairstyles it looks like the hairs were imported from a lesser game. That's the point I'm trying to get across.

Yes I did and I disagree with you. I think the character creation is great. Yea it could have more options but it's leagues better than a majority of other games

Abeille · October 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Don't trash the Skyrim creator, there are things you can do in it that you can't do in this game.

Yes, like this (no mods):

Oh my god! ZOS, look! What is this hair color? How comes that race has it? How do they do that?

Coatmagic · October 2016

Divinius wrote: »

I'll just leave this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgowBLb4sKw

ROFL! That would be the game for me!

Rosveen · October 2016

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Abeille wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Don't trash the Skyrim creator, there are things you can do in it that you can't do in this game.

Oh my god! ZOS, look! What is this hair color? How comes that race has it? How do they do that?

I would pay actual money to see your reaction on the day ZOS unlocks all hair color options.

Abeille · October 2016

Rosveen wrote: »

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Abeille wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Don't trash the Skyrim creator, there are things you can do in it that you can't do in this game.

Oh my god! ZOS, look! What is this hair color? How comes that race has it? How do they do that?

I would pay actual money to see your reaction on the day ZOS unlocks all hair color options.

I have a post prepared for it, actually. I just need the screens I'll take once my Altmer has black hair.
It will be the first and only thread I will ever post, and it will be pic heavy for sure.

Gedalya · October 2016

I just created a new Nightblade; and as I usually do I spent a lot of time in the creation process. Very robust, detail oriented, lots of options; and they are adding more. Great job ZOS.

altemriel · October 2016

bellanca6561n wrote: »

It's not bad.

wow she is really beautiful!!! great job!!!

makeyurself · October 2016

Abeille wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

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Abeille wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Don't trash the Skyrim creator, there are things you can do in it that you can't do in this game.

Oh my god! ZOS, look! What is this hair color? How comes that race has it? How do they do that?

I would pay actual money to see your reaction on the day ZOS unlocks all hair color options.

I have a post prepared for it, actually. I just need the screens I'll take once my Altmer has black hair.
It will be the first and only thread I will ever post, and it will be pic heavy for sure.

BLACK HAIRED ALTMER....I had such high hopes for the styling parlor and changes that would include such things. One day [name I do not want to give away], I will be able to create you.

bellanca6561n · October 2016

SnubbS wrote: »

Do yourself a favor and never look up the character creation in Black Desert Online. You might actually become depressed at how unimaginably perfect it is.

Not unimaginable given that videos of that character creator have been around for years.

Problem is that in order to use that character you create, you have to play Black Desert.

bellanca6561n · October 2016

Sausage wrote: »

We all look like teenagers, thats what Ive said multiple times. Wheres like super fat, big belly, or body builder, handsome, charisma type etc. ES is old series, sadly the characters makes it look so young, I really think something just aint right there. Hopefully Bethesda gest it for ES6, it really bothers me. ES series does not age very well, if they keep this course it might kill this series eventually.

Shortly said, ES series currently is like a old wine with some disco lights around it.

Plenty of players do many interesting things with this game's character creator.

raidentenshu_ESO · October 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I disagree. The character creation is pretty robust.

Damn look at that!

bellanca6561n · October 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

bellanca6561n wrote: »

Just try to make a Dunmer who isn't either scowling or stuck with her mouth hanging open because the player tried to put a pleasing expression on her face.

But, as folks have noted, for an online game, it's good. It's not Black Desert, though. But, thankfully, ESO is not the Black Desert game

That's because Dunmer are always angry. They're just not a jolly people, and being elves they've got that Romulan thing going with the forehead.

Oh, I know and I agree. I did a video once on trying to make a happy Dunmer in the ESO character creator, mostly as a joke. Won't post it here, though, because it would only be amusing to people who know me and my sense of humor.

It can be done. It's just that something about the result ends up feeling, as you might say, wrong

bellanca6561n · October 2016

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Maybe you are just not as creative as some of us are or lack the finer points of aesthetics or just do not know how to work with what is available. I for one am regularly complemented on my characters. I see many players with decent or better looking alts or at least creative and have their "trademark".

When i first began playing the game I thought there were some great looking characters, but the longer you play the game you soon realise there is no wow factor nor distinguishing features that make any character stand out from the rest because you basically see the same characters over and over again. I'm not doubting you take pride in your creations, but they're probably nothing impressive compared to 1000's of other similar toons running around. No pun intended, but people can dress it up any way they want, the fact is, the character creator is very limited (not bland) and as such I don't think I'd be bowled over by your characters as I'll have seen many similar ones running around.

Take the Bosmer females as an example, there's 1000's of them running around with long burgundy hair, cutesy looks and so on, yet there is zero distinguishing features about them that make them stand out from the next one you run into 10ft later.

The biggest issue, Professor, is the one shot nature of it. You have either a different shader in character creation, or a shader setting/light source setup very different from many you'll encounter in the game.

Yes, we now have the ability to go back in....for a thousand crowns *winces*

Now, if they gave you a 24 hour test drive of your character, during which you could go back into the creator as many times as you wanted, THEN we would see the full potential of the module expressed, with far more diversity I believe.

I don't want to say the number of passes Erana - the Imperial gal that many folks reacted so positively to in this thread - went through that module. But let's just say the number of tokens I used before I was satisfied with her could have gotten me a personal merchant...or banker...or...ummm....both *blush*