Why is character creation so bland?
BuddyAces
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This has always bugged me. Was it the last thing they worked on and were running out of time or is it an engine limitation thing? More variety would be great but even the ones we have now could be touched up. Game has some of the greatest scenery ever but it looks like the hairs were made in ms paint and slapped into the game. The styles, which like any game could have more variety, are just fine. Its the quality of them that bugs me.
Dont mean to sound like I'm being whiny or anything, just curious why they are gomer looking in this gorgeous game.
Dont mean to sound like I'm being whiny or anything, just curious why they are gomer looking in this gorgeous game.
They nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
I'm blown away by the utter stupidity I see here on the daily. - Wrekkedd
I'm blown away by the utter stupidity I see here on the daily. - Wrekkedd
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Integral1900✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I just wish that the female characters could be a bit more bulky, I've spent a lot of time with historical renactors and some of the lovely ladies there could snap a maxed out female nord physique in half like a bread stick. It's not supprising I suppose, the media still has a bug up its nose about ladies having to be all slender and helpless, all the time, even in eso you see them with characters that could barely lift that sword let alone swing it. At least it's better than the one in skyrim, love that game or not you have to admit the character craetion was pure garbage, there was a reason why it was the first thing to be modded.4 -
Kendaric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Character creation in ESO is pretty good as far as MMORPGs go. Could it be better? Sure, but you can create good looking characters with just a bit of effort.3 -
DeadRune✭✭✭Integral1900 wrote: »I just wish that the female characters could be a bit more bulky, I've spent a lot of time with historical renactors and some of the lovely ladies there could snap a maxed out female nord physique in half like a bread stick. It's not supprising I suppose, the media still has a bug up its nose about ladies having to be all slender and helpless, all the time, even in eso you see them with characters that could barely lift that sword let alone swing it. At least it's better than the one in skyrim, love that game or not you have to admit the character craetion was pure garbage, there was a reason why it was the first thing to be modded.
I agree. I'd like to be able to create musclier/fatter/taller ladies.On my way to PC EU!4 -
Resfeber✭✭✭Integral1900 wrote: »I just wish that the female characters could be a bit more bulky, I've spent a lot of time with historical renactors and some of the lovely ladies there could snap a maxed out female nord physique in half like a bread stick. It's not supprising I suppose, the media still has a bug up its nose about ladies having to be all slender and helpless, all the time, even in eso you see them with characters that could barely lift that sword let alone swing it. At least it's better than the one in skyrim, love that game or not you have to admit the character craetion was pure garbage, there was a reason why it was the first thing to be modded.
I agree. I'd like to be able to create musclier/fatter/taller ladies.
Thirded. Especially for some races where you can barely get out of the range of just "thin".
Although I will also agree that it's still has one of the better customization options I've seen for mmos.Resfeber (n.): the restless race of the traveler's heart before the journey begins, when anxiety and anticipation are tangled together; a travel fever that can manifest as an illness.
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BuddyAces✭✭✭✭✭
✭Integral1900 wrote: »I just wish that the female characters could be a bit more bulky, I've spent a lot of time with historical renactors and some of the lovely ladies there could snap a maxed out female nord physique in half like a bread stick. It's not supprising I suppose, the media still has a bug up its nose about ladies having to be all slender and helpless, all the time, even in eso you see them with characters that could barely lift that sword let alone swing it. At least it's better than the one in skyrim, love that game or not you have to admit the character craetion was pure garbage, there was a reason why it was the first thing to be modded.
I agree. I'd like to be able to create musclier/fatter/taller ladies.
Thirded. Especially for some races where you can barely get out of the range of just "thin".
Although I will also agree that it's still has one of the better customization options I've seen for mmos.
I completely agree. I'm not sure I was able to articulate what I meant :-( The hairstyles themselves seem, graphically wise, something you'd find from a nintendo game. A little more detail on them would have been great.
IMO outside of maybe 2 hairstyles the rest look like crap. It's not the style, it's how they look: rushed and thrown on at last minute.They nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
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✭Integral1900 wrote: »I just wish that the female characters could be a bit more bulky, I've spent a lot of time with historical renactors and some of the lovely ladies there could snap a maxed out female nord physique in half like a bread stick. It's not supprising I suppose, the media still has a bug up its nose about ladies having to be all slender and helpless, all the time, even in eso you see them with characters that could barely lift that sword let alone swing it. At least it's better than the one in skyrim, love that game or not you have to admit the character craetion was pure garbage, there was a reason why it was the first thing to be modded.
I agree. I'd like to be able to create musclier/fatter/taller ladies.
You can go with more muscles on Redguard gals.
Or Imperial women....
Some can be heavy and intentionally aimed at hurting your eyes.....
And Altmer women can indeed have altitude. But Dunmer gals can't have the Linda Hamilton look from Terminator 2, or even modest muscular bulk.
Plus the OP has a real point. I don't think any player has spent more time than I in the character creation module. They might as well call that horrid face creation triangle the Bermuda Triangle, as it's a strange and dangerous place, sharply different for each race.
Just try to make a Dunmer who isn't either scowling or stuck with her mouth hanging open because the player tried to put a pleasing expression on her face.
But, as folks have noted, for an online game, it's good. It's not Black Desert, though. But, thankfully, ESO is not the Black Desert game
Edited by bellanca6561n on October 30, 2016 5:47PM1 -
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✭Integral1900 wrote: »I just wish that the female characters could be a bit more bulky, I've spent a lot of time with historical renactors and some of the lovely ladies there could snap a maxed out female nord physique in half like a bread stick. It's not supprising I suppose, the media still has a bug up its nose about ladies having to be all slender and helpless, all the time, even in eso you see them with characters that could barely lift that sword let alone swing it. At least it's better than the one in skyrim, love that game or not you have to admit the character craetion was pure garbage, there was a reason why it was the first thing to be modded.
I agree. I'd like to be able to create musclier/fatter/taller ladies.
Thirded. Especially for some races where you can barely get out of the range of just "thin".
Although I will also agree that it's still has one of the better customization options I've seen for mmos.
I completely agree. I'm not sure I was able to articulate what I meant :-( The hairstyles themselves seem, graphically wise, something you'd find from a nintendo game. A little more detail on them would have been great.
IMO outside of maybe 2 hairstyles the rest look like crap. It's not the style, it's how they look: rushed and thrown on at last minute.
Hair is tricky, much the way water has always been in games.....here's a good article on the subject.
In ESO they use a deformable mesh that has clipping problems.
But if you read the article you'll understand their decision a bit better perhaps. In an online game you cannot control the number of objects that need to be drawn on the screen at any one time. Hair is one of many compromises you have to make to give players an acceptable frame rate, alas.
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Kendaric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I completely agree. I'm not sure I was able to articulate what I meant :-( The hairstyles themselves seem, graphically wise, something you'd find from a nintendo game. A little more detail on them would have been great.
IMO outside of maybe 2 hairstyles the rest look like crap. It's not the style, it's how they look: rushed and thrown on at last minute.
Yeah, the hair and facial hair styles aren't that great, but that's something you can't necessarily avoid in a MMORPG. I'd love to see better hair eventually, especially more long hair for males.3 -
CapnPhoton✭✭✭✭✭Its fine. There are newer games that are not as good.Xbox One NA Aldmeri Dominion0 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It could have a few more options, especially when it comes to the absurd race restrictions on hair colors, but I think it is a good character creator overall.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.4 -
RoyalPink06✭✭✭✭✭Try making a character on Skyrim, then you'll be wishing you had as many choices as ESO does.... (as someone above said, it's terrible lol)
And as far as body type diversity, you kinda have to consider the lore. I don't think there is such a thing as a muscular or "heavy" elf, as an example. It's just the way the race is. And not just in ESO, but even Lord of the Rings, etc. Khajits too. It's just how they are. On the flip side, I've never seen a bonerack orc or Nord.
I kinda wish the ESO character creator was like fallout (4, since I didn't play the others) where you can individually click on and sculpt specific areas of the face, rather than just preset sliders.NA PS42 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RoyalPink06 wrote: »Try making a character on Skyrim, then you'll be wishing you had as many choices as ESO does.... (as someone above said, it's terrible lol)
And as far as body type diversity, you kinda have to consider the lore. I don't think there is such a thing as a muscular or "heavy" elf, as an example. It's just the way the race is. And not just in ESO, but even Lord of the Rings, etc. Khajits too. It's just how they are. On the flip side, I've never seen a bonerack orc or Nord.
I kinda wish the ESO character creator was like fallout (4, since I didn't play the others) where you can individually click on and sculpt specific areas of the face, rather than just preset sliders.
Moot point,skyrim has a creation kit0 -
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✭✭✭For an MMO it's pretty darn good. It's even better than a lot of single player games out there."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."1 -
RoyalPink06✭✭✭✭✭RoyalPink06 wrote: »Try making a character on Skyrim, then you'll be wishing you had as many choices as ESO does.... (as someone above said, it's terrible lol)
And as far as body type diversity, you kinda have to consider the lore. I don't think there is such a thing as a muscular or "heavy" elf, as an example. It's just the way the race is. And not just in ESO, but even Lord of the Rings, etc. Khajits too. It's just how they are. On the flip side, I've never seen a bonerack orc or Nord.
I kinda wish the ESO character creator was like fallout (4, since I didn't play the others) where you can individually click on and sculpt specific areas of the face, rather than just preset sliders.
Moot point,skyrim has a creation kit
Not for PS4.
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✭✭✭I think the main issue isn't that it's bland, it's more to do with there being nothing unique about any of the characters people have posted nor the characters you see roaming around on your travels. It needs mouth types, nose shapes, eye shapes etc etc. All the noses for example are just the same nose but tweaked here n there. The same tweaks countless others have probably used to.4 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »I think the main issue isn't that it's bland, it's more to do with there being nothing unique about any of the characters people have posted nor the characters you see roaming around on your travels. It needs mouth types, nose shapes, eye shapes etc etc. All the noses for example are just the same nose but tweaked here n there. The same tweaks countless others have probably used to.
I agree with this. It would be great if we had different shapes of each feature and then we could tweak them.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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✭Say what you will, but I was able to make a character in beta that looked so much like me that I couldn't play her because it gave me the creeps. Hahaah, guess that makes me 'bland'!
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✭✭✭bellanca6561n wrote: »Integral1900 wrote: »I just wish that the female characters could be a bit more bulky, I've spent a lot of time with historical renactors and some of the lovely ladies there could snap a maxed out female nord physique in half like a bread stick. It's not supprising I suppose, the media still has a bug up its nose about ladies having to be all slender and helpless, all the time, even in eso you see them with characters that could barely lift that sword let alone swing it. At least it's better than the one in skyrim, love that game or not you have to admit the character craetion was pure garbage, there was a reason why it was the first thing to be modded.
I agree. I'd like to be able to create musclier/fatter/taller ladies.
You can go with more muscles on Redguard gals.
Or Imperial women....
Some can be heavy and intentionally aimed at hurting your eyes.....
And Altmer women can indeed have altitude. But Dunmer gals can't have the Linda Hamilton look from Terminator 2, or even modest muscular bulk.
Plus the OP has a real point. I don't think any player has spent more time than I in the character creation module. They might as well call that horrid face creation triangle the Bermuda Triangle, as it's a strange and dangerous place, sharply different for each race.
Just try to make a Dunmer who isn't either scowling or stuck with her mouth hanging open because the player tried to put a pleasing expression on her face.
But, as folks have noted, for an online game, it's good. It's not Black Desert, though. But, thankfully, ESO is not the Black Desert game
That's because Dunmer are always angry. They're just not a jolly people, and being elves they've got that Romulan thing going with the forehead.
US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
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✭✭✭Don't trash the Skyrim creator, there are things you can do in it that you can't do in this game.
I also like the character creator in ESO. It may not do what YOU want but it does a hell of a lot more than many other games that allow you to make your character unique.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
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nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭Maybe you are just not as creative as some of us are or lack the finer points of aesthetics or just do not know how to work with what is available. I for one am regularly complemented on my characters. I see many players with decent or better looking alts or at least creative and have their "trademark".I didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.1
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Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭We all look like teenagers, thats what Ive said multiple times. Wheres like super fat, big belly, or body builder, handsome, charisma type etc. ES is old series, sadly the characters makes it look so young, I really think something just aint right there. Hopefully Bethesda gest it for ES6, it really bothers me. ES series does not age very well, if they keep this course it might kill this series eventually.
Shortly said, ES series currently is like a old wine with some disco lights around it.Edited by Sausage on October 31, 2016 10:46AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭You want your females to look more intimidating? Nothing a patriarch beard can't fix
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Coatmagic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Couldn't use my actual delf due to vampirism, but yeah.. the most muscular and least scowly I could come up with (without an open mouth). The delfs may be lacking in the upper arm area but they sure do win on the hlps/thighs (for elves that is)...
Edited by Coatmagic on October 31, 2016 11:08AM0
