Message to 'elitist' players - pull your heads in.

Mic1007 · October 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

i think the one and only reason is that you're not CP160+
because why else they'd be in CoH beside farming stuff, and since you're not of that level range, your loot will be low level and useless to them, so even if u get something they want, it'll be low level and be a waste

its nothing personal, not to you or anyone else
there is no elitist BS here.

@Waseem all dungeons scale now so everyone gets their level of loot. Even if my CP160 is grouped with 3 level 30's... I would still get CP160 loot.

Exactly. Why should you assume I'll give you my stuff if I get a cool drop? You're not entitled to my loot or anything. So this argument fails too.

Rebornlogic · October 2016

disintegr8 wrote: »

Why the heck would you kick a level 32 out of Crypt of Hearts I (obviously normal mode) before any fight has even started?

This is the sort of thing that is tarring all high CP players with a bad reputation. I just entered group finder with my newest character, a level 32 stam sorc, and got into Crypt of Hearts I only to get voted out before any fighting started. They then proceed to start the fight before I am even transported out of it. I do not understand why people would do this before you have even done anything. I can only assume it is either the undaunted pledge or it was a group of people farming the dungeon not wanting to 'carry' anyone.

Unfortunately I have to wait a 15 minute penalty which gives me time to post this rant. I have over 600CP and am getting this character up to level 50 before the witches festival ends. Any level 32 is able to run this dungeon regardless of CP and deserves the opportunity to prove their worth before being kicked.

I have started a list of players in groups that vote to kick me. Next time I am on my max level characters, especially my healer or tanks, and any of them get into my group through group finder, I will spam vote to kicks. If ZOS is not doing anything about this, or at least remove the 15 minute penalties for being kicked through no fault of your own, I have to take my own action.

wow lol. its pretty amusing. not that the fact that they kicked you. but if they were high cp's why not just carry you through LOL maybe they were looking for another high CP to carry them LOL

Ankael07 · October 2016

He was probably looking for increasing his chance to get more c160 loot. In any case it would be rude to kick people without telling anything.

Another rude thing is immediately labeling people with elitism without knowing their purpose.

ValkynSketha · October 2016

These that kick low lvl players are not elitists, they are bad players who want others to carry them.

Suter1972 · October 2016

As a casual low level player all I'm picking up from this is everyone seems in a rush.

Why do you need to get through the dungeon in 20 minutes? Is there a witches festival feature where you turn into a pumpkin if you don't?

I play the game for FUN. I have plenty of deadlines at work and this is an escape from that. Time to chill, have fun and excitement without being interviewed over my character build or being treated as a weak link.

It's sounds like there are people out there that feel the same but it's clear it's getting harder and harder to find them.

In my view, the elistists will kill the game before any crown crate will. People like the op and others will simply walk away to other titles.

Yes, it's not you're 'job' to carry others but come on.... the guy didn't even get a chance and that sucks.

BlanketFort · October 2016

I'm against kicking lower leveled players out for the sole assumption that "they don't know how to play". And even if that were the case (which I've experienced plenty of but was generally hilarious), it is not a phase in which a player permanently stays in. Some people get all high and mighty by looking at their numbers and forget that they, too, were once clueless. IMO, if they don't want to be grouped with inexperienced, low-leveled, or "casual" players, they should just keep their fingers off of Group Finder. I vote to kick if a player remains inactive for far too long without communicating what is currently happening at their end.

Everyone else who has resigned to "I don't want plebs, they waste my time, I can't be bothered to help, they don't know how to play, git gud scrub " is of no help to the community and only adds to the existing toxicity. It pushes away new blood and that is certainly not what we should be doing in an MMO.
We have a tool for communication, if they don't want to spend that much time in a dungeon and have no intention to teach anyone the mechanics (which I can also understand. They may not have a lot of time), then they should move their fingers and type in chat instead of just kicking anyone off without a word. It is the polite thing to do, a high CP does not excuse anyone from being an ***.

Not everyone has the time to master the game as quickly as these Elitist players seem to have done.
Not everyone is playing to compare numbers and stroke their e-peen.
For some people, it is an escape from the stress of work, school/uni, or life in general and we, as a whole, should not cast players out simply because they do not meet our criteria. Gaming anxiety is a real struggle.

TL;DR: The game does not only cater to the Elite end-game player base, as is clearly evident in how casual ESO is. People experience the steepness of the learning-curve differently or they might just prefer to take their time with it. Let us not push new blood away, or punish them for their lack of in-game knowledge.
Most of us are here to have fun, not to participate in a pissing contest.

UrbanMonk · October 2016

disintegr8 wrote: »

Why the heck would you kick a level 32 out of Crypt of Hearts I (obviously normal mode) before any fight has even started?

I have started a list of players in groups that vote to kick me. Next time I am on my max level characters, especially my healer or tanks, and any of them get into my group through group finder, I will spam vote to kicks.

Love this idea...

wolfxspice · October 2016

maybe the should just suspend vote to kick for 5 minutes or so after you get into a group through group finder, that way they can at least see what you can do.

Suter1972 · October 2016

How about it all being flipped on its head.

I.e. You can't kick people but you can leave yourself if you're not happy. If you do leave, YOU get the timer and not some poor player who was singled out as a weak link who was ready and willing.

Rune_Relic · October 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Join a guild,stop using the finder to pug. Been saying it since the beginning.

Unless if you join one of those massive elite guilds even finding players inside guilds can seem to be a struggle. Often times I find myself having to play with PUG because theirs nobody in 5 of my guilds that are available.

Its because you arent good enough

This game is so messed up now.
And its just as much player bigotry as ZOS balancing.
You cant play football with us ..you aint cool enough.
It really is like being in a schoolground watching all the ugly souls wallowing in their cess pit.

Rhyagell · October 2016

They could have at least said "I'm sorry, but we got to remove you from the party for so and so reasons".

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

there should not be the ability to KICK people out of Anything!
if they dont like it thenthey should leave the group, not KICK people!

This is supposed to be a joke, right?

Hempyre · October 2016

Alright, I'll be the bad guy.

Clearly no one in this thread has had their pugged pledge agonisingly drawn out because of a low level player not being able to pull their own weight. Hmm? Riiight...

Maybe you in particular are a rock star on your lowby. Good for you. Couldn't be happier...
However, chances are, you're not geared, don't have the cp, light on skills and most importantly, don't know the conduct required for the group and or the mechanics.

I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times, some undergeared lowbie has blown the fight by rushing past the tank , or drawing agro, and adds outside the circle of death, and they won't back off the attack or can't block, or roll dodge out of the big red circles.

This just put more strain on the healer to keep their low resists asses alive. Not to mention the tank having to re grab agro over and over. All so some lowby yahoo can go all Serious Sam like the rest of the group is his personal keep alive squad.

Oh, but wait. The rest of the group should be able to carry the lowby, right?

Why the *** should they keep your lowby stam/mana sponge ass alive? Yes, I like more work to make your game experience better. You need to keep up, not expect to be carried.

Not my job buddy.

I ran pledges on Friday, and just new, I mean really knew.. that the 140 something CP was gonna be a problem as soon as he whipped out his 2h sword... Sigh, this is gonna be a long boss fight... He didn't disappoint. Crit rushed past the tank, ran adds away from the group, overworked the healer and died excessively. Just being a general cockup, even after being told what to do.
Full hero mode.

All I wanted was my two *** keys...

I wish I had booted that guy from the start.

Now on an easy norm, weeeelll... Maybe, but once bitten, twice shy.

So ya, your 38 would get the Adios from me too.

SaibotLiu · October 2016

Im reminded of launch day on FFXIV, I joined a pug through group finder for a group quest. And the tank goes "you guys better know the fights". LOL The game hasnt even been out 8 hours yet and some scrubchild pretends to know better than us, because he's a tank. It took about 2 pulls of me trolling him in chat to blow a fuse and he aggros half the dungeon so the whole group dies.

MMO people are just generally scum, I have fun with it.

Curragraigue · October 2016

Hempyre wrote: »

Alright, I'll be the bad guy.

Clearly no one in this thread has had their pugged pledge agonisingly drawn out because of a low level player not being able to pull their own weight. Hmm? Riiight...

Maybe you in particular are a rock star on your lowby. Good for you. Couldn't be happier...
However, chances are, you're not geared, don't have the cp, light on skills and most importantly, don't know the conduct required for the group and or the mechanics.

I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times, some undergeared lowbie has blown the fight by rushing past the tank , or drawing agro, and adds outside the circle of death, and they won't back off the attack or can't block, or roll dodge out of the big red circles.

This just put more strain on the healer to keep their low resists asses alive. Not to mention the tank having to re grab agro over and over. All so some lowby yahoo can go all Serious Sam like the rest of the group is his personal keep alive squad.

Oh, but wait. The rest of the group should be able to carry the lowby, right?

Why the *** should they keep your lowby stam/mana sponge ass alive? Yes, I like more work to make your game experience better. You need to keep up, not expect to be carried.

Not my job buddy.

I ran pledges on Friday, and just new, I mean really knew.. that the 140 something CP was gonna be a problem as soon as he whipped out his 2h sword... Sigh, this is gonna be a long boss fight... He didn't disappoint. Crit rushed past the tank, ran adds away from the group, overworked the healer and died excessively. Just being a general cockup, even after being told what to do.
Full hero mode.

All I wanted was my two *** keys...

I wish I had booted that guy from the start.

Now on an easy norm, weeeelll... Maybe, but once bitten, twice shy.

So ya, your 38 would get the Adios from me too.

Reread the opening post. Over CP cap and not his first rodeo. Hence wasn't given a chance was just kicked.

cpuScientist · October 2016

Waseem wrote: »

i think the one and only reason is that you're not CP160+
because why else they'd be in CoH beside farming stuff, and since you're not of that level range, your loot will be low level and useless to them, so even if u get something they want, it'll be low level and be a waste

its nothing personal, not to you or anyone else
there is no elitist BS here.

Here's the answer as to why, they are farming an MD having this person whose lot us useless to them in the group is not helpful. Since that person cannot trade it to them. You just were unfortunate to join a group that was farming. Oh well....

Rev Rielle · October 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

there should not be the ability to KICK people out of Anything!
if they dont like it thenthey should leave the group, not KICK people!

Exactly.

nordsavage · October 2016

Us elitist already put our time in and we are not interested in watching you light attack all day while we drop it like its hot. Cut your teeth with other lowbies.

Suter1972 · October 2016

Here's a thing. I've gone from cp50 to cp225 in two weeks with the festival.

I know little about dungeon mechanics as I did when I was lvl 50. Yet a group would likely look at my cp over the op and possibly take the gamble on me. In reality the op would be a much better option.

If I had another 2 weeks of festival I could well be over 300cp and still know nothing.

It's downright stereotyping when a simple question "do you know the deal with this dungeon mate?" Would save a lot of hassle.

I wonder how all the current elitists got on in their first dungeon? It's easy to forget......

BlanketFort · October 2016

Hempyre wrote: »

Alright, I'll be the bad guy.

Clearly no one in this thread has had their pugged pledge agonisingly drawn out because of a low level player not being able to pull their own weight. Hmm? Riiight...

Maybe you in particular are a rock star on your lowby. Good for you. Couldn't be happier...
However, chances are, you're not geared, don't have the cp, light on skills and most importantly, don't know the conduct required for the group and or the mechanics.

I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times, some undergeared lowbie has blown the fight by rushing past the tank , or drawing agro, and adds outside the circle of death, and they won't back off the attack or can't block, or roll dodge out of the big red circles.

This just put more strain on the healer to keep their low resists asses alive. Not to mention the tank having to re grab agro over and over. All so some lowby yahoo can go all Serious Sam like the rest of the group is his personal keep alive squad.

Oh, but wait. The rest of the group should be able to carry the lowby, right?

Why the *** should they keep your lowby stam/mana sponge ass alive? Yes, I like more work to make your game experience better. You need to keep up, not expect to be carried.

Not my job buddy.

I ran pledges on Friday, and just new, I mean really knew.. that the 140 something CP was gonna be a problem as soon as he whipped out his 2h sword... Sigh, this is gonna be a long boss fight... He didn't disappoint. Crit rushed past the tank, ran adds away from the group, overworked the healer and died excessively. Just being a general cockup, even after being told what to do.
Full hero mode.

All I wanted was my two *** keys...

I wish I had booted that guy from the start.

Now on an easy norm, weeeelll... Maybe, but once bitten, twice shy.

So ya, your 38 would get the Adios from me too.

I don't know how it is "clear" that no one here has experienced an overdrawn and antagonisingly slow pledge run due to having been grouped with lower levels.

I have. Still do. A lot of them just don't know what they are doing because they are new. Communication is key. In my experience, if I come across such a situation, I just talk to them. Ask if they are experiencing any problems and help in areas I can. Last night was such a case, and after several people having left the group after many queues, I suggested we just run it with 2 DD and 1 Healer. Both new players and pretty much clueless as to what they were or should be doing. Simply suggested to healer to focus on the other DD and I'll manage on my own.

Long story short, it took us well over an hour to finish FG1 between breaks to explain stuff. And it's not like I have plenty of time to play, either. I only have an hour to play after work. But they were willing to try again, and again after each wipeout. That shows motivation and a no-quit attitude! Plus, they were astonishingly STILl in a good mood and were well aware of their shortcomings and tried their best to pull their weight. We went through the dungeon with a lot of deaths and laughs.

I wasn't able to do any of my pledges and writs last night because I had no more time to play. But that long run was FUN despite the slow progression, mainly because of how they (and myself) rejoiced after each boss. It was cute, really, and is the reason I play. To have FUN instead of staring at the screen and have success greeted with nary a smile.

One could go and handle these situations with bigotry and a rude disposition while stuffing them in the "plebs" drawer,
Or be polite and explain you want higher CPs because you don't want to risk prolonging the run,
Or give them the benefit of the doubt and try it out, and take wipe-outs with Humor.

It's quite sad when some people take the game way too seriously, and forget it is a game. An MMO, at that. If you think about it, the way some players treat others, it's as if they are completely unaware that these are people, too, and that problems can be discussed and solved. Some people's attitude very well match the aesthetics of the Monster Sets they wear.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

OP first laments the fact that he gets randomly kicked, only to continue with saying he will basically do the same.

...

Waseem · October 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

i think the one and only reason is that you're not CP160+
because why else they'd be in CoH beside farming stuff, and since you're not of that level range, your loot will be low level and useless to them, so even if u get something they want, it'll be low level and be a waste

its nothing personal, not to you or anyone else
there is no elitist BS here.

@Waseem all dungeons scale now so everyone gets their level of loot. Even if my CP160 is grouped with 3 level 30's... I would still get CP160 loot.

I am aware of that.
Thing is, when 4 players farming some set, they want it to be CP160 to all players, so if a player in the group is CP159 or less, whatever he/she gets is not gonna be useful for other 3 players in the group because its not CP160, and miss out the "fancy" trade between group members.

if i farm a set with 3 players with CP 159 or lower, it'll be -for me- exactly as farming it before the group trade function came to life, i'll be spending months there

Mic1007 wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

i think the one and only reason is that you're not CP160+
because why else they'd be in CoH beside farming stuff, and since you're not of that level range, your loot will be low level and useless to them, so even if u get something they want, it'll be low level and be a waste

its nothing personal, not to you or anyone else
there is no elitist BS here.

@Waseem all dungeons scale now so everyone gets their level of loot. Even if my CP160 is grouped with 3 level 30's... I would still get CP160 loot.

Exactly. Why should you assume I'll give you my stuff if I get a cool drop? You're not entitled to my loot or anything. So this argument fails too.

did you really have to dig so much to feel like finding a flaw in my argument?
there are thousands of other players who will give out stuff they dont need to other group members, because that what the group trade function came for

if im farming scathing mage in ICP, and you get a piece which might be useful to my build, while you dont need scathing mage at all
you'll prefer to deconstruct it than to give to a player who needs it? that's what you're saying?
thats not cute

pod88kk · October 2016

Just go into dungeons with a friend. If you've been playing this long enough to get to CP600 then you've surely made a friend or two at this stage. So what you got kicked no biggy. Happens to us all.

Bobby_V_Rockit · October 2016

I dont vote to kick people, I leave myself. Getting pretty sick of level 10-12 healers honestly.

Solariken · October 2016

It's pretty silly that some people act this way considering that truly decent players can solo most of the 4 man content. I could care less what level my group mates are as long as they are actively playing the dungeon and not being a jerk in general.

Bobby_V_Rockit · October 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

i think the one and only reason is that you're not CP160+
because why else they'd be in CoH beside farming stuff, and since you're not of that level range, your loot will be low level and useless to them, so even if u get something they want, it'll be low level and be a waste

its nothing personal, not to you or anyone else
there is no elitist BS here.

@Waseem all dungeons scale now so everyone gets their level of loot. Even if my CP160 is grouped with 3 level 30's... I would still get CP160 loot.

But if the four members are sharing and trading, everyone needs to get cp160 gear. Thats an effective farm strategy.

The three 30's in your example would be of no benefit when trading.

raglau · October 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

I don't complain about lowbies in normal dungeons, or even low cp in vet dungeons. As long as you don't ruin the entire run for everyone, you're fine.

^This.^ar,

... BUT ...

... why would high CP players choose normal mode for either farming or pledges?

Would be nice to hear the other side of the story.

When farming for set gear, we sometimes do normal runs because we can cram a load into a short time and thus increase the usable drops per hour. Then just upgrade the drops we like.

But I would never kick anyone. The only time in all my years of playing, since the beta of ESO, that I have ever kicked anyone, is disconnected players. As a high CP player I can just steamroll the dungeon regardless of how well another person is playing.

Dymence · October 2016

Stop trying to pin this kind of *** on 'elitists'.

If person in question was an elitist, he wouldn't have had to kick you out of his group because he'd be easily able to carry you through.

No, person in question is a person who's *** at the game himself and that's why he kicked you out, because he needs someone to carry him along.

There you go, another mystery case solved.

Karamis_Vimardon · October 2016

Dymence wrote: »

Stop trying to pin this kind of *** on 'elitists'.

If person in question was an elitist, he wouldn't have had to kick you out of his group because he'd be easily able to carry you through.

No, person in question is a person who's *** at the game himself and that's why he kicked you out, because he needs someone to carry him along.

There you go, another mystery case solved.

This right here folks^

Those who are familiar with the mathematical and mechanics of the game have a Bag of Holding and/or enjoy the challenge of picking up the slack, I know I do.

Nothing quite like running random groups on my Magplar, only to have everyone else wipe and either solo the boss down or manage to rez everyone. It's a real feel-good situation.

Plus I like helping people out.

Mush55 · October 2016

The thing is zos play as you want makes dungeon groups think that the low lvl player is gong to be a heavy armoured magic sorc useing a bow and 2 hand sword ( you get the idea)

That is why many low level players get the boot before they can even prove themselves, it's a shame but I have been in to many pugs with the above and even my dps or healing although it can carry you makes for a less than fun dungeon for everyone...

azoriangaming · October 2016

ValkynSketha wrote: »

These that kick low lvl players are not elitists, they are bad players who want others to carry them.

this is your answer, most players with high cp just solo the normal stuff if they're farming for gear, yes the queue time should be removed because it's total unfair if you've gotta wait 15mins before you can queue again and more than likely have the same issue again with people who think there good and just assume you're not good just because you're on a low level toon.

IMHO normal dungeons are there people to level or learn the game because you could sneeze and everything would die in there with high cp toons.