Message to 'elitist' players - pull your heads in.

disintegr8 · October 2016

Why the heck would you kick a level 32 out of Crypt of Hearts I (obviously normal mode) before any fight has even started?

This is the sort of thing that is tarring all high CP players with a bad reputation. I just entered group finder with my newest character, a level 32 stam sorc, and got into Crypt of Hearts I only to get voted out before any fighting started. They then proceed to start the fight before I am even transported out of it. I do not understand why people would do this before you have even done anything. I can only assume it is either the undaunted pledge or it was a group of people farming the dungeon not wanting to 'carry' anyone.

Unfortunately I have to wait a 15 minute penalty which gives me time to post this rant. I have over 600CP and am getting this character up to level 50 before the witches festival ends. Any level 32 is able to run this dungeon regardless of CP and deserves the opportunity to prove their worth before being kicked.

I have started a list of players in groups that vote to kick me. Next time I am on my max level characters, especially my healer or tanks, and any of them get into my group through group finder, I will spam vote to kicks. If ZOS is not doing anything about this, or at least remove the 15 minute penalties for being kicked through no fault of your own, I have to take my own action.

WuffyCerulei · October 2016

I don't complain about lowbies in normal dungeons, or even low cp in vet dungeons. As long as you don't ruin the entire run for everyone, you're fine.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

Shouldn't have to be this eliteist, but the higher difficulty push is making everyone this paranoid. Take it up with the designers, not us.

Taleof2Cities · October 2016

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

I don't complain about lowbies in normal dungeons, or even low cp in vet dungeons. As long as you don't ruin the entire run for everyone, you're fine.

^This.^

... BUT ...

... why would high CP players choose normal mode for either farming or pledges?

Would be nice to hear the other side of the story.

Gilvoth · October 2016

there should not be the ability to KICK people out of Anything!
if they dont like it thenthey should leave the group, not KICK people!

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · October 2016

I ran Darkshade II the other day with a lvl 48 and they did perfectly fine. Don't judge someone based on their level.

Elsonso · October 2016

disintegr8 wrote: »

Why the heck would you kick a level 32 out of Crypt of Hearts I (obviously normal mode) before any fight has even started?

With the scaling, they were afraid you would out DPS them.

bottleofsyrup · October 2016

Sounds like they weren't very good if they couldn't handle a normal dungeon with someone's lowbie in the group.

alexkdd99 · October 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

there should not be the ability to KICK people out of Anything!
if they dont like it thenthey should leave the group, not KICK people!

Lol or if you don't like people having the option to kick make your own group. I for one am tired of underleveled or underskilled players queuing for dungeons they can't do.

As far as kicking people before given the chance to fight in a normal dungeon is ridiculous. But it does take a majority vote so it is not like 1 person can just kick people at will like op plans to do throwing a tantrum.

Last 5 times queuing for dungeons all 3 people I got were under level 20. The first 3 times I tried running it with them but I was on my healer and it was to much.

If you can't hold your own don't expect to be carried. Not saying that is what op was doing but the group was probably getting crap players over and over, so they got picky right off the bat.

If people were not constantly queuing for dungeons they can't do people would not be so quick to kick people. People are expecting to be carried far too often and it is just easier to kick people who are unlikely to be able to complete the dungeon.

Honestly level 36 is ok for a normal dungeon but apparently the majority of THAT group didn't feel that way.

raidentenshu_ESO · October 2016

Crypt of Hearts I was my first solo run dungeon on normal, and I didn't realize how easy it was to beat the dungeon. Yes I was 500 CP, but still. It's not like doing normal ICP. I have no idea why your lowbie toon was kicked due to the level differences. I suppose you were unfortunate enough to encounter ***?

Since I do all of my pledges on vet is the only time that I become picky on who I play with in form of CP. As for the rest... I don't see the problem with playing with lowbies.

Loc2262 · October 2016

I very much agree. Voting a level-32 (CP or no CP) out of a normal tier-3 dungeon is really low.

timidobserver · October 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

I don't complain about lowbies in normal dungeons, or even low cp in vet dungeons. As long as you don't ruin the entire run for everyone, you're fine.

^This.^

... BUT ...

... why would high CP players choose normal mode for either farming or pledges?

Would be nice to hear the other side of the story.

I'm not defending the kicking but I will answer your question. When farming, you only need Vet for Monster Helms and Purple Jewelry. If farming weapons or armor the dropped quality doesn't matter since you can just upgrade. In other words, people farming weapons or armor pieces may do speed runs of normal.

Mojmir · October 2016

Join a guild,stop using the finder to pug. Been saying it since the beginning.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

there should not be the ability to KICK people out of Anything!
if they dont like it thenthey should leave the group, not KICK people!

...Nnnnno.

The rest of us shouldn't have to restart the dungeon because there is one guy dragging people down by either light attacking endlessly or using really bad rotations. That's not on.

Curragraigue · October 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

Why the heck would you kick a level 32 out of Crypt of Hearts I (obviously normal mode) before any fight has even started?

With the scaling, they were afraid you would out DPS them.

Lol I was thinking something similar that the group must have been scrubs to kick a lowbie from a normal dungeon. The scaling on lowbies is still awesome even without all the CP you had OP.

exeeter702 · October 2016

The interface really needs to show how much Cp a pre 50 character actually has under the hood.

This doesn't solve the issue for players that are truly low level though, but at least it will limit unjust kicking due to an assumed liability.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

there should not be the ability to KICK people out of Anything!
if they dont like it thenthey should leave the group, not KICK people!

sorry but no. The tool / option needs to exist. Or are you saying when I queue for a random vet on my healer and it gives me vet fungal grotto 1/2 and instead of an actual tank, it's some vegetable brain stamina neckbeard dps trying to farm viper? (Dont bother pointing out the fact that a lot of groups farm it with 3dps and a healer, that is not the point).

The option to vote out someone is needed. I refuse to be held hostage by someone sabotaging an otherwise solid group in any given scenario.

Red_Mars · October 2016

Stop moaning and do the dungeon yourself. You obviously still need 2 learn some real life lessons. Why should we carry you is more the question & with 600cp you should have your own crew?. Sick of people like you thinking your owed something. Sshhhh.

Curragraigue · October 2016

Red_Mars wrote: »

Stop moaning and do the dungeon yourself. You obviously still need 2 learn some real life lessons. Why should we carry you is more the question & with 600cp you should have your own crew?. Sick of people like you thinking your owed something. Sshhhh.

He used group finder. The point of group finder is to group people to do the content. He was not even given a chance to fight so how was he being carried? It is not unreasonable to assume that if you use group finder the rest of the group you join are wanting to do the dungeon and that you won't be unreasonably kicked.

If the group he joined didn't want someone below 50 they should have manned up and done Vet version.

disintegr8 · October 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

Join a guild,stop using the finder to pug. Been saying it since the beginning.

Everyone has a right to use the group finder - maybe max CP players should be using guilds and banned from group finder. Why do you always tell lower level characters to stay away from group finder?

Red_Mars wrote: »

Stop moaning and do the dungeon yourself. You obviously still need 2 learn some real life lessons. Why should we carry you is more the question & with 600cp you should have your own crew?. Sick of people like you thinking your owed something. Sshhhh.

Who said anything about being carried?
So according to your comment, anyone at max CP should have their own crew and should not need to use group finder. If that was the case I would not have had to start the thread in the first place as the incident would not have happened.

There are some really nice people playing this game and if you took your heads out of your behinds once in a while, you might actually meet some of them..

mobicera · October 2016

disintegr8 wrote: »

I have started a list of players in groups that vote to kick me. Next time I am on my max level characters, especially my healer or tanks, and any of them get into my group through group finder, I will spam vote to kicks. If ZOS is not doing anything about this, or at least remove the 15 minute penalties for being kicked through no fault of your own, I have to take my own action.

This will solve nothing at all and only serves to add more negativity to the player base.
I agreed with everything up to that point, but by doing such you will fuel a never-ending cycle of negative attitudes.
Be the bigger person, be better than those who serve to troll and cause suffering.

On a side note the 15 min penalty is being abused and needs to be changed.

Kammakazi · October 2016

"Elitist"

@Woeler

ArchMikem · October 2016

Red_Mars wrote: »

Stop moaning and do the dungeon yourself. You obviously still need 2 learn some real life lessons. Why should we carry you is more the question & with 600cp you should have your own crew?. Sick of people like you thinking your owed something. Sshhhh.

Your logic assumes everyone who isn't level 50 needs to be carried through. Your logic is unsound, you still need to learn some lessons.

TheSeer · October 2016

I like how ever person's solution is to "Make your own group". I see DPS and Healers, mostly DPS, spamming chat for hours trying to find a group when that is what group finder was built for.

acw37162 · October 2016

disintegr8 wrote: »

Why the heck would you kick a level 32 out of Crypt of Hearts I (obviously normal mode) before any fight has even started?

This is the sort of thing that is tarring all high CP players with a bad reputation. I just entered group finder with my newest character, a level 32 stam sorc, and got into Crypt of Hearts I only to get voted out before any fighting started. They then proceed to start the fight before I am even transported out of it. I do not understand why people would do this before you have even done anything. I can only assume it is either the undaunted pledge or it was a group of people farming the dungeon not wanting to 'carry' anyone.

Unfortunately I have to wait a 15 minute penalty which gives me time to post this rant. I have over 600CP and am getting this character up to level 50 before the witches festival ends. Any level 32 is able to run this dungeon regardless of CP and deserves the opportunity to prove their worth before being kicked.

I have started a list of players in groups that vote to kick me. Next time I am on my max level characters, especially my healer or tanks, and any of them get into my group through group finder, I will spam vote to kicks. If ZOS is not doing anything about this, or at least remove the 15 minute penalties for being kicked through no fault of your own, I have to take my own action.

This one thinks with your shinning example of practicing what you preach maybe getting kicked wasn't the worst thing in the world.

Maybe if you going to chastise players who who lick people ending your tirade with the immkeeping a naughty list to use to kick you once I have Kick authority is not the way to go.

raidentenshu_ESO · October 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

Join a guild,stop using the finder to pug. Been saying it since the beginning.

Unless if you join one of those massive elite guilds even finding players inside guilds can seem to be a struggle. Often times I find myself having to play with PUG because theirs nobody in 5 of my guilds that are available.

Waseem · October 2016

i think the one and only reason is that you're not CP160+
because why else they'd be in CoH beside farming stuff, and since you're not of that level range, your loot will be low level and useless to them, so even if u get something they want, it'll be low level and be a waste

its nothing personal, not to you or anyone else
there is no elitist BS here.

reesenorman · October 2016

The other day was the first time I used the group finder in months and I realised what people are talking about. First guy stood there afk for a few bosses and trash mobs, kicked him after the 2nd boss. Next guy spammed light attacks with a bow for another boss fight. Doubt ill use group finder for some time again.

Lutallo · October 2016

There's a thin line between elitism and fairness though. In all honesty, if a 50cp DPS comes into a vet dungeon, I would probably be inclined to kick them because I really don't want to sit through a 2 hour vet dungeon when it could be done in 20 minutes. But if you're a true elitist, you won't be group queuing for dungeons in the first place.

But I do agree, a battle-levelled character in a normal dungeon should be just fine. The bosses only have 800k-1.5m health anyway, most end-game characters could easily solo carry normal dungeons.

Mojmir · October 2016

disintegr8 wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Join a guild,stop using the finder to pug. Been saying it since the beginning. [/quote]
Everyone has a right to use the group finder - maybe max CP players should be using guilds and banned from group finder. Why do you always tell lower level characters to stay away from group finder?

Reason no.1: the finder does not always work and will never work as long you can que any role or level. It's as broken as the loot RNG system.

Reason no.2: in a guild you'll meet steady content running people who will more often than not help you,I run with the same 3-4 guilds since this games start. I have NEVER seen anyone kicked from a group while running with guild members,except when it was deserved by a players actions leading too it.

Sorry for bad editing, my phones being a turd

MissBizz · October 2016

Waseem wrote: »

i think the one and only reason is that you're not CP160+
because why else they'd be in CoH beside farming stuff, and since you're not of that level range, your loot will be low level and useless to them, so even if u get something they want, it'll be low level and be a waste

its nothing personal, not to you or anyone else
there is no elitist BS here.

@Waseem all dungeons scale now so everyone gets their level of loot. Even if my CP160 is grouped with 3 level 30's... I would still get CP160 loot.

Strider_Roshin · October 2016

Sounds more like a scrub rather than an elitist. I've left groups of max CP players before. Not because they were garbage, but because they were garbage, and were complaining about how quickly I was killing everything. CP is a lot like an alliance rank; just because it's high, doesn't make the player good.