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Achievments Account-Wide like in World of Warcraft
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The game is already alt friendly. What you are asking for is a hand out. Guild and pvp skill lines need to be earned per character. Achievements are fine the way they are. You can already use the dyes and costumes on all characters, only thing missing is the titles. You want the title on your alt, go earn it!DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault0 -
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✭✭✭THIS is an absolute must for ESO!
Been screaming for it since beta.
Unbelievable to think some achievements are expected to be completed over and over again, account wide1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Jimbullbee85 wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »dont tell me this, please =(FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Most likely never
Its the sad truth. They don't want level 3 people running around with Stormproof or Flawless Conqueror
Yet they allow them to have maxed out champion points..... hmmmm
What is 561 CP if you don't know how to play the character? If you do know how to play the character then you should have no problem earning the achievements again.
Like waiting 20 hours for bosses to spawn in cyrodiil and collecting 100 plunder skulls? Or perhaps earning 1 000 000 gold by selling stolen goods? No thanks. Once should be enough. Doing all achievements 14 times would take more than 1 life time, even if you were playing 24/7.
Once is enough if you only want to level one character through the game. However, if you want to play alts throughout the leveling process then you want to play them fully as individuals. What would make more sense for those who only want to level one character and then have a load of "minimum effort, high-level" alts for e.g. instant PvP purposes would be to lobby for instant level 50s through the Crown Store (once you've leveled a character to the cap) rather than wanting achievements made account-wide for everyone regardless of their playstyle. That way we all win, including ZOS. Alternatively, ZOS could follow the original Guild Wars method of allowing the creation of an instantly maxed character that could only enter PvP campaigns.
Otherwise the choice is between you having to level up multiple characters slowly and me having to accept that my holy paladin style templar is going to be stuck with shared achievements from the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood which are totally against his principles (remember, it is a MMORPG). Neither option is particularly palatable, and so a different solution is required acceptable to all - such as instant high-level characters that you can buy and I can ignore. The trouble is that we then get onto the B2P slippery slope arguments so far as some are concerned (hint: this would be a good time to do it while they're distracted by the immorality of the Crown Crates
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Number_51✭✭✭✭✭No thanks. Achievements are there to show what a character has not done as much as they are to show what he/she has done. How would I ever prove I got a character to lvl 50 without ever picking up a weapon or making a single kill if the achievements are account wide? And yes... that really is one of my 19 characters (12 played regularly).
FWIW I'd be perfectly fine if CP weren't account-wide either. In fact, I'm in favor of nothing, except cosmetics purchased for real money, being account-wide.1 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭BlanketFort wrote: »Achievements for clearing difficult content with title rewards should not be account-wide.
They can be account-wide, but titles may be personal. So easyDC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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Why not? you can already use skins and colors achieved form achievement on your lvl 3 noob. Why not to share the achievement and titles too? It just tells you are not a total noob even though you are plaing with lvl 3 character.BlanketFort wrote: »Achievements for clearing difficult content with title rewards should not be account-wide.
Because they show your mastery of playing a certain class/build. The only problem I have with this is why shouldn't be account-wide if I have two magicka sorcs on my account.
what shows emperor costume on 3 lvl char?DC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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Daraugh✭✭✭✭✭A level 3 can use every rare dye your other characters have gotten. If anyone cares to notice prisoner's rags dyed abyssal beryl that is. So no, the visual is already there for the account achievement. I like my characters to be individuals.Edited by Daraugh on October 28, 2016 8:56PMMay all beings have happiness
May they be free from suffering
May they find the joy that has never known suffering
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The game is already alt friendly. What you are asking for is a hand out. Guild and pvp skill lines need to be earned per character. Achievements are fine the way they are. You can already use the dyes and costumes on all characters, only thing missing is the titles. You want the title on your alt, go earn it!
I could care less about titles (set to "none" since start), I don't even have name/guild tags set to on, could care less what others have done.
A hand out? I play the game for fun, leveling lets say Mage guild a 2nd, 3rd, etc... for a few class skills is just dumb. The divide between players is already large enough with far too many variables, and hardly alt friendly at all. I look forward to Zenimax slow move towards the casual.
Heck bring on faction change and level 50 tokens!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »
I had tagged you because if your petty name calling and what was most of that previous post attempting to belittle me kinda like you just tried again. Name calling is truly petty Pathetic behavior.
Second, I specifically addressed in the post you are referring to about the problems of maiming some achieve te account wide. Much of the small population who cares about this subject would not be happy with what Zos considers an account wide achievement.
People that are actually interested in this will not be happy. People who worked hard to get more worthwhile achievements on multiple characters will get bent it that achievement becomes account wide.
I respect your all into the achievements to the degree you are. Sorry you feel bad playing on a newer alt. That's cool, but I still recommend Zos say no since I doubt you'll be happy unless they permit sharing everything.
BTW, I don't die armor for any character I don't play. I pretty much have all the achievements I've gotten on all characters. So again, the name calling, very much not appropriate.
Have a good day.
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You answered 0 of my questions. Why would adding more stuff to the game be bad for anyone?
People who won't be happy? you mean the ones that are perfectly happy with account-wide mounts, pets, etc? They will be perfectly happy with achievements too, once that is introduced.
Worthwhile achievements are done fast. I am talking about GRIND. Those are not worthwhile achievements. It doesn't matter which character you used to fish.
Yes, the name calling is appropriate. because where were you, when they added new levels of undaunted skill line and screwed over everyone who already earned all achievements and could only level those skill lines by pledges? Where was the majority of people who "won't be happy" because they will get "bent"? Oh right, creating threads about making VMA loot tradeable or adding the token system, to "bend" those who farmed for years, 500 runs or something.
So yeah , that's pretty hypocrite to only welcome changes if they improve your particular part of the game, even though that bends others, but not welcome them if they add fun to others. How would that even "bend" them? They will still have their achievements on multiple characters. We are talking about adding a counter on top of that, not to just have 1 achievements table for an account,no. You will still know if 1 particular character got an achievement.
@Artis
Umm, you asked me two questions and one was basically rhetorical in nature. So I will answer your questions. All two, including the rhetorical one.A character who a player hasn't completed vma with will not have a Stormproof title. Where did this idea come from?
Answering this question and the bigger questions that was a petty attempt to derail the conversations.
For everyone who wants the Slaughters achievement shared account wide there will be one who wants Stormproof and Mageslayer an account wide achievement. Everyone does not have the same idea of how something like this should pan out.
It is also human nature to want more. So in the end, it is easier, and better, for Zos to just move past this subject and not make any changes. This is why Zos will not make any changes this thread is requesting. This is what your next reply should focus on.
As for your question to who would get upset because some some achievements are now account wide? Consider that question answered properly, if it was not clear before. I do see your confusion, but vMA weapons are not an achievement and is a wholly separate topic.
And yes, it is hypocrite. You want to see achievements of your characters? Go ahead, no one is asking to take that away from you. We are asking to help us have fun and not make us feel bad if we're playing another character that RNG will give those characters what our mains still don't have.
This was the rhetorical question, I assume. I have no concerns about seeing all my achievements on each character. I am fully aware of what I have accomplished on a character, at least of achievements I am concerned with. I also do not feel bad when playing a character I have not accomplished a certain task on because. I will earn it on that character, or not.
Probably a matter of, if someone is that much of a completionist, that they must have every achievement, they should probably only have one character.
Thank you for not resorting to name calling. Much better.
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Skinzz✭✭✭✭✭Hell nah. It's called character progression. Do you possibly need every title and achievement for your alts?Anybody got a group? LFG, anybody? Hello?0 -
Kamatsu✭✭✭✭I'm no programmer, so admit I don't know how hard or easy it would be - but couldn't you have achievements be both character and account bound?
What I mean by this is each character will start with no achievements, and as they do stuff it will unlock on that character. Meanwhile the account will track each achievement, so as a character gets an achievement the account gets it. However other characters won't have the achievement, just the character that did it and the account.
This would need a UI change to either add an 'account' achievement screen, or a way of showing that an achievement had been 'account' unlocked previously.
This would work as such: Character A gets the achievement for opening 1,000 treasure chest's, which would unlock it on the account level. Character B meanwhile has only gotten the 25 chest's achievement... so anyone looking at 'B' would see they had earned the 25 chest's, but the account had done the full 1,000 - either shown on same screen, or by switching to an account view of the person's achievements.
This would let ppl track what they are doing on each character, and show off their efforts per character, while also letting ppl say "Yes, I have done X, Y or Z but not on this character" and prove it without switching characters.
Again, no idea how easy or hard it would be to do, or how practical... but seems to provide for those who was account-wide achievements, and those who want to show stuff character-by-character... at least to me (ie this is my opinion).o_O0 -
QUEZ420✭✭✭✭Champion points are account wide, dye colors are account wide, achievement points and titles should b as well only makes sense lol. I understand achievements still unlocking for character progression n thats completely fine jus have an "account total achievement points" and a "per character total" n then titles account wide jus gate some of the more harder ones only by unlocking but festival n fishing achievements per say account wide. I mean the player skill behind the controller and/or keyboard earned them not the AI bot on the screen. Make it happen ZOS!
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✭✭✭It would not work. then your new character would have the achievement of all skyshards for example. And then it is hard to track which ones you missed. Same for certain quests.
I am neutral about achievements being account wide though. Achievements don't mean squat to me. I never understood why people are obsessed with achievements. Just play the game.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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Morvane✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »It would not work. then your new character would have the achievement of all skyshards for example. And then it is hard to track which ones you missed. Same for certain quests.
its very easy. in WoW, for example, u can see all ur achievments, but character progression remains individual. So, u can see achive from 1000 quests, but every char have his own counter on quests, skyshards etc. Its ver easy to do, u just never see an example, so u think its problem.
U can link ur achievment from every character, but every has note which character obtain it. Thats cool and I dont understand people who cant understand this and afraid of losing somethingDC Dunmer Sorcerer since 2014
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✭At the end of the day...
are you playing the game directly ?
are you playing the game via a roleplaying character ?
Everything is done via the medium of a role played character.
If you wish to bypass that role played character, then there is no need for any more than one character.
There is no need for the RPG in this game genre.
There is no point in having ALTs
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✭Completely delete titles from game. Make achievements account wide. No 3lvl stormproof problems. No elitism and counter-elitism issues.0 -
Sengra✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »It would not work. then your new character would have the achievement of all skyshards for example. And then it is hard to track which ones you missed. Same for certain quests.
I wouldn't make every single achievement account wide and I'm against it when it comes to exploration or quests, but fishing achievements or even crafting styles/recipes/learned traits should be accound wide I think.
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✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »
Answering this question and the bigger questions that was a petty attempt to derail the conversations.
For everyone who wants the Slaughters achievement shared account wide there will be one who wants Stormproof and Mageslayer an account wide achievement. Everyone does not have the same idea of how something like this should pan out.
Ok, so the first ones will get what they want and others won't. They'll run vAA ONE time and get their title again. Just because they want something illogical it doesn't mean that others should suffer.Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »It is also human nature to want more. So in the end, it is easier, and better, for Zos to just move past this subject and not make any changes. This is why Zos will not make any changes this thread is requesting. This is what your next reply should focus on.
Easier yes. Better - no.
Oh no, if character aren't just player's tools, then be consistent.Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »As for your question to who would get upset because some some achievements are now account wide? Consider that question answered properly, if it was not clear before. I do see your confusion, but vMA weapons are not an achievement and is a wholly separate topic.Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »This was the rhetorical question, I assume. I have no concerns about seeing all my achievements on each character. I am fully aware of what I have accomplished on a character, at least of achievements I am concerned with. I also do not feel bad when playing a character I have not accomplished a certain task on because. I will earn it on that character, or not.
Probably a matter of, if someone is that much of a completionist, that they must have every achievement, they should probably only have one character.
Thank you for not resorting to name calling. Much better.
Enjoy the game.
Only having one character doesn't work as planned, since in this game, unlike in previous TES games, you can't try everything with one character. AND races have impact on endgame, so we are forced to have more than one.
And no, it's not rhetorical. I hate it that 2 days ago I got a "Gossamer winglet" on my alt when I killed a random wasp who didn't let me teleport. Whereas I never got it on my main since pre-release.Knootewoot wrote: »It would not work. then your new character would have the achievement of all skyshards for example. And then it is hard to track which ones you missed. Same for certain quests.
I am neutral about achievements being account wide though. Achievements don't mean squat to me. I never understood why people are obsessed with achievements. Just play the game.
Please read threads where you reply before replying. That concept was addressed long time ago. Just see how wow has their system. You won't have that achievement. You will see that that character hasn't completed it.
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✭✭✭✭You're welcome to keep playing WoW to meet your needs of having a WoW game experience. Or you can appreciate ESO for what it it, and how it chooses to be different from other games.
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I play characters... not "an account". That would be why the each look individually, level individually, and ... oh yes... earn achievements when they actually EARN them.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
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House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
ChandraNalaar✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »When I first started playing, I didn't like this, too. But it really has grown on me. It allows me to feel the sense of accomplishment associated with each character separately.
Of course, that was before Trophies were bound to character.
I can agree with that; however, I do wish the trophies were account wide. I can deal with the rest of the stuff being character based, but the sheer rarity of the trophy drops, the number of them you need for the achievements, and the fact that you can no longer trade them between your characters is a bit much for my tastes. If they really increased the drop rates or made them bankable/tradeable between your toons I would be a happy little gamer. I could have completed all the achievements by now if they were account wide.0