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Can't Wait for Crown Crates I'm So Excited!!
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »Funny how the words "Rare" and "Limited" make people do silly things.
On another game, I once spent 20+ dollars for a chance to get a "Rare" outfit. They have "Gatcha" machines that you pay very little money to get a chance to get a rare item. I spent a lot of money and got nothing.
OP, Instead of spending the money on crates, go buy something nice in real life.
This is the point, Emily, these crates are intentionally designed for that outcome, you got - having spent a lot of money and got nothing of value in return, so that you are eventually trying again and again and again.
There is a place for gambling. I have had fun playing blackjack. I don't like them in video games. It has turned every game I have played into pure crap. I want fair access to my desired entertainment purchases. This means a flat price, then I gladly buy if I desire. Not to mention, what else will be exclusives to these in the future. This isn't good for the game, period. If they can hit people with this, what other money walls will be put into place.
I think this is the problem.
If spending money on these crates only affected the people who buy them, then fine. You spend your money on whatever you like.
But it doesn't affect only them. It affects the game's development going forward, therefore affecting negatively everybody who plays the game, even people who do not buy a single crate.
This is what I think a lot of people don't understand. It is not about the damage it does to your wallet, I couldn't care less about that. It is about the damage it does to the game.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.7 -
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✭Where are all the PAWS at??Conan, what is good in life?
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SantieClaws✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ThePaleItalian wrote: »Where are all the PAWS at??
Khajiti posted earlier to the effect that she believes this thread does not express the genuinely held views of the original poster yes.
If you know what this one she means.
Yours with paws - and most certainly still with PAWS
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
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It is not about buying an expensive car - but imagine this - you would have to pay like $10,000 dollars for a chance to get a rare car - but what you actually get for your 10k dollars is a gallon of fuel, refill oil and a few screws - and you would have to buy in average 100 such crates to eventually get a car which is worth $750,000. You would really hate it, wouldn't you?
And don't think that ZOS is so generous with the chances in their crates as I was in the example above - they will drain you even more.Edited by ZOS_PeterT on October 27, 2016 4:14PM4 -
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All we know is that they will be live before the end of the year. They were removed from pts because they were overwhelmingly negative. The proposed changes are also not looking promising. It was also revealed that they may not be on the pts again before release. Probably so we can't see how little they actually do to make any positive changes.When are we getting crown crates? Just curious.5 -
Sinolai✭✭✭✭✭Deathgiggle wrote: »Bought a bunch of Crowns during the sale and just gonna wait until the Crates are released!! I love lotto's, grab bags, and mystery boxes, so this fits right into my mentality! Good job ZOS!!
Edited by Sinolai on October 27, 2016 3:24PM6 -
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✭✭Skinner boxes are mmo cancer. This is fact. There is no argument that can be made to the contrary.5 -
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✭Deathgiggle wrote: »Go in game to a major city and stand near the traders and count the number of Crown pets and Mounts that come and go. Do this for 10 minutes and you will see the impact and the popularity of these items. If the majority of people didn't want them, there wouldn't even be a Crown Shop. The fact that there are so many running around tells me that people love these items. I for one, love to see new stuff added from time to time. As a person who at this point has done pretty much everything in the game, it is exciting to look forward to these little extras.
Well, yeah, they see something, they like it, they buy it. There's a nice preview feature too in many cases.
Nothing wrong with offering something for sale and allowing people to buy it if the only advantage it gives them is convenience or appearance. Doesn't matter if it's digital or is expressed in pixels. It has actual value by any measure.
However it is unconscionable for a company to employ random interval reward schedules, knowing precisely their effect on people and relying on that effect to extend game content, to create a product for sale that offers merely the chance of getting something the buyer wants.0 -
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✭✭Wolfhammer wrote: »[SNIP]
I think it has less to do with wanting to control how people spend their money, and more to do with the fact that only *** tier quality games add these systems. Usually the implementation comes as a last ditch effort to milk some cash before the f2p/death sentence transition. I do know they hired some *** with years of experience transitioning games to f2p/p2w mode. Can't recall her title or name at the moment.Edited by ZOS_PeterT on October 27, 2016 4:35PM3 -
jeremiah911✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »Funny how the words "Rare" and "Limited" make people do silly things.
On another game, I once spent 20+ dollars for a chance to get a "Rare" outfit. They have "Gatcha" machines that you pay very little money to get a chance to get a rare item. I spent a lot of money and got nothing.
OP, Instead of spending the money on crates, go buy something nice in real life.
Great point Emily and I couldn't agree more with the impact the words "Rare" or "Limited" have on people.
I think the people in support of Crown crates are loosing sight on what the "anti" crown crate crowd is trying to say. The people against crown crates are not against items costing money; even inflated prices for "rare or limited" items. They would happily buy all these items outright if listed in the crown store. The gambling is the central issue.
I too have the disposable income to buy as many crates as I want just like so many of the people that support crown crates are quick to point out. I am also quick to spot a hustle when I see one. Crown crates, as last seen on PTS, are nothing short of a hustle.5 -
JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭[SNIP].
Everyone does gain a disadvantage with their existence. If they can easily drain money by putting things behind lotto crates, what is next. There are many systems they could monetize if they desire.
If someone wants a fancy car, they will pay a very high price for it. I totally understand and would do the same. I wouldn't give the dealer tons of money in hopes for a fancy car just to get a Pontiac Aztek. Just because someone doesn't like these doesn't mean they are broke. I graduated from college and have a decent job. I could easily spend hundreds of dollars a month if I wanted to. After playing game after game implementing these, it makes me sick thinking about where this could lead.
If I wanted to gamble I would go to Reno or Vegas, and I have. It's how those places make their money. If it becomes how this game makes it's money, then they will focus on that while neglecting the game.Edited by ZOS_PeterT on October 27, 2016 4:16PM0 -
DuckEmDoc✭✭It is not about buying an expensive car - but imagine this - you would have to pay like $10,000 dollars for a chance to get a rare car - but what you actually get for your 10k dollars is a gallon of fuel, refill oil and a few screws - and you would have to buy in average 100 such crates to eventually get a car which is worth $750,000. You would really hate it, wouldn't you?
And don't think that ZOS is so generous with the chances in their crates as I was in the example above - they will drain you even more.
I get your point but it ignores mine.... what does what I do with my money have to do with you or hurt you? Quit worrying about what others do... maybe I would feel bad about said scenario, maybe I wouldn't but that's my choice to make as much as it is yours. I stand by my point, crown crates don't HURT anything but people's pride who do t buy them for whatever their reason is.
Whoops, your right, I did.. should have been jealous and wayfarerx... my bad0 -
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I think it has less to do with wanting to control how people spend their money, and more to do with the fact that only *** tier quality games add these systems. Usually the implementation comes as a last ditch effort to milk some cash before the f2p/death sentence transition. I do know they hired some *** with years of experience transitioning games to f2p/p2w mode. Can't recall her title or name at the moment.[/quote]
It isn't worth to discuss this. The people who are not against the crates NEVER address this, they just repeat the same argument that has nothing to do with the issue. They go "lalalala can't hear you I do what I want lalalala". It is evident that they either have little experience with this kind of scheme in other games or just don't care for what happens to the game.Edited by ZOS_PeterT on October 27, 2016 4:36PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.4 -
ThePaleItalian✭✭✭✭✭
✭SantieClaws wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »Where are all the PAWS at??
Khajiti posted earlier to the effect that she believes this thread does not express the genuinely held views of the original poster yes.
If you know what this one she means.
Yours with paws - and most certainly still with PAWS
Santie Claws
I understand completely that this is a topic not considered approved by many. I would like to see them gone completely. However, since we all know that isnt going to happen. I hope there are some major tweeks to at least make it accepted, but I doubt at this point that is even much of an option for them.
I really hope they do not continue down this way. This is the only MMO I play anymore and the only game besides Skyrim.Conan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
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fr33r4ng3r✭✭✭Here's my PAWS
Happily spending $$$ on everything in the crown store other than lottery boxes...5 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ThePaleItalian wrote: »SantieClaws wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »Where are all the PAWS at??
Khajiti posted earlier to the effect that she believes this thread does not express the genuinely held views of the original poster yes.
If you know what this one she means.
Yours with paws - and most certainly still with PAWS
Santie Claws
I understand completely that this is a topic not considered approved by many. I would like to see them gone completely. However, since we all know that isnt going to happen. I hope there are some major tweeks to at least make it accepted, but I doubt at this point that is even much of an option for them.
I really hope they do not continue down this way. This is the only MMO I play anymore and the only game besides Skyrim.
There are few tweaks that I think would be enough to make many of us accept them.
1 - No exclusives, only retired items, or at least only the items that match the theme of the crate being exclusive (atronach themed stuff in this case).
2 - Let people trade unwanted collectibles for gems, not only repeated collectibles.
3 - Increase the gem return for repeated collectibles to be at least half the price of collectibles in the same tier.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.4 -
DuckEmDoc✭✭This thread is for real ?
[SNIP]
Humor me... I keep seeing how "bad" these are for the game but I haven't seen one single person show me HOW they are bad other than they hurt people's feelings. As I CLEARLY stated, as long as they do not include BiS or end game weapons or armor I fail to see how these hurt ANYONE. I 100% agree they are bad if it ever moves to include those things but otherwise, no. These things are already in the game anyways... those stupid crates/coffers you buy in Cyrodill with AP are the SAME THING... you just use earned currency. I earn my money so why not use it how I choose just as you use your AP?Edited by ZOS_PeterT on October 27, 2016 4:37PM1 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This thread is for real ?[SNIP]
Humor me... I keep seeing how "bad" these are for the game but I haven't seen one single person show me HOW they are bad other than they hurt people's feelings. As I CLEARLY stated, as long as they do not include BiS or end game weapons or armor I fail to see how these hurt ANYONE. I 100% agree they are bad if it ever moves to include those things but otherwise, no. These things are already in the game anyways... those stupid crates/coffers you buy in Cyrodill with AP are the SAME THING... you just use earned currency. I earn my money so why not use it how I choose just as you use your AP?
It is the shift on development focus that happens on every single game that introduced these.
Content release slows down, because developing stuff to put in the crates generate more money than DLC and the likes (already happening).
Thigs are removed to be put in the crates because that makes them more expensive (already happening).
Less stuff is put out for sale directly because with crates you can get people to put $200 in a mount instead of $20 (given the latest Crown Store Showcase, many people belive it is already happening).
Eventually, the game goes free to play and the crates become the only source of revenue, becoming the central piece of the game. Then we go from a game with gambling to a casino with a game, which wasn't what people signed up for.
This was extensively explained in more detail over and over again in many different threads. It happened to every game that introduced these, and ZOS already hired a woman that is specialized on the B2P - F2P transition with gambling boxes. She has a trail of dead MMOs behind her. There is no reason to think ESO will be any different.Edited by ZOS_PeterT on October 27, 2016 4:37PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.5 -
JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
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Humor me... I keep seeing how "bad" these are for the game but I haven't seen one single person show me HOW they are bad other than they hurt people's feelings. As I CLEARLY stated, as long as they do not include BiS or end game weapons or armor I fail to see how these hurt ANYONE. I 100% agree they are bad if it ever moves to include those things but otherwise, no. These things are already in the game anyways... those stupid crates/coffers you buy in Cyrodill with AP are the SAME THING... you just use earned currency. I earn my money so why not use it how I choose just as you use your AP?
SWTOR. Almost all cosmetics are in the crates. Dye stamps entirely in crates. Housing largely in crates. It becomes too expensive to purchase the things you would want for your character. In an rpg these things matter, there is more then just obtaining bis gear, especially to people into the role playing aspects of their character. Currently you can just buy the things that work for you. These take that away from you. Development in SWTOR is also very slow.
I have been here before, I don't want this type of rpg again.Edited by ZOS_PeterT on October 27, 2016 4:38PM5 -
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JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
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Humor me... I keep seeing how "bad" these are for the game but I haven't seen one single person show me HOW they are bad other than they hurt people's feelings. As I CLEARLY stated, as long as they do not include BiS or end game weapons or armor I fail to see how these hurt ANYONE. I 100% agree they are bad if it ever moves to include those things but otherwise, no. These things are already in the game anyways... those stupid crates/coffers you buy in Cyrodill with AP are the SAME THING... you just use earned currency. I earn my money so why not use it how I choose just as you use your AP?
It is the shift on development focus that happens on every single game that introduced these.
Content release slows down, because developing stuff to put in the crates generate more money than DLC and the likes (already happening).
Thigs are removed to be put in the crates because that makes them more expensive (already happening).
Less stuff is put out for sale directly because with crates you can get people to put $200 in a mount instead of $20 (given the latest Crown Store Showcase, many people belive it is already happening).
Eventually, the game goes free to play and the crates become the only source of revenue, becoming the central piece of the game. Then we go from a game with gambling to a casino with a game, which wasn't what people signed up for.
This was extensively explained in more detail over and over again in many different threads. It happened to every game that introduced these, and ZOS already hired a woman that is specialized on the B2P - F2P transition with gambling boxes. She has a trail of dead MMOs behind her. There is no reason to think ESO will be any different.
Yes this is exactly it. My experience exactly.ThePaleItalian wrote: »SantieClaws wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »Where are all the PAWS at??
Khajiti posted earlier to the effect that she believes this thread does not express the genuinely held views of the original poster yes.
If you know what this one she means.
Yours with paws - and most certainly still with PAWS
Santie Claws
I understand completely that this is a topic not considered approved by many. I would like to see them gone completely. However, since we all know that isnt going to happen. I hope there are some major tweeks to at least make it accepted, but I doubt at this point that is even much of an option for them.
I really hope they do not continue down this way. This is the only MMO I play anymore and the only game besides Skyrim.
There are few tweaks that I think would be enough to make many of us accept them.
1 - No exclusives, only retired items, or at least only the items that match the theme of the crate being exclusive (atronach themed stuff in this case).
2 - Let people trade unwanted collectibles for gems, not only repeated collectibles.
3 - Increase the gem return for repeated collectibles to be at least half the price of collectibles in the same tier.
This would work for me. I still wouldn't buy, but it would allow access to the content I desire. I could care less about the atronach, but want everything Argonian.Edited by ZOS_PeterT on October 27, 2016 4:38PM3 -
ThePaleItalian✭✭✭✭✭
✭ThePaleItalian wrote: »SantieClaws wrote: »ThePaleItalian wrote: »Where are all the PAWS at??
Khajiti posted earlier to the effect that she believes this thread does not express the genuinely held views of the original poster yes.
If you know what this one she means.
Yours with paws - and most certainly still with PAWS
Santie Claws
I understand completely that this is a topic not considered approved by many. I would like to see them gone completely. However, since we all know that isnt going to happen. I hope there are some major tweeks to at least make it accepted, but I doubt at this point that is even much of an option for them.
I really hope they do not continue down this way. This is the only MMO I play anymore and the only game besides Skyrim.
There are few tweaks that I think would be enough to make many of us accept them.
1 - No exclusives, only retired items, or at least only the items that match the theme of the crate being exclusive (atronach themed stuff in this case).
2 - Let people trade unwanted collectibles for gems, not only repeated collectibles.
3 - Increase the gem return for repeated collectibles to be at least half the price of collectibles in the same tier.
1 - 100% Agree, retired items, old costumes and such. Do not hide something behind a paywall. I
2 - I agree with this, and 3 ties into it with a nice refund as well. Lets you at least look and see what you can win. Or better yet, have them open 4 chests, but the chest say...hey... mount in this one, costume in this one and so on. Then let just spend our crowns on a random mount or costume. Idk. Even writing that last part made me feel dirty.Conan, what is good in life?
Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
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Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
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Humor me... I keep seeing how "bad" these are for the game but I haven't seen one single person show me HOW they are bad other than they hurt people's feelings. As I CLEARLY stated, as long as they do not include BiS or end game weapons or armor I fail to see how these hurt ANYONE. I 100% agree they are bad if it ever moves to include those things but otherwise, no. These things are already in the game anyways... those stupid crates/coffers you buy in Cyrodill with AP are the SAME THING... you just use earned currency. I earn my money so why not use it how I choose just as you use your AP?
You're asking for a long explanation that only inexperienced mmo gamers aren't aware of. Look up the skinner box theory as it relates to games. Also know that this is not opinion but fact: All games that have implemented such a feature have seen a severe drop in quality. Regular content updates disappear, customer service becomes non existent. Bugs, cheats, exploits go unresolved. Gamble boxes and getting you to feel as if you need them becomes the one and only priority. You may think I'm exaggerating or making broad generalizations...I wish that were true. The boxes will add more and more "need to have" items until one day we all realize, buying boxes is not just the only way to get cool ***, it's the only way to remain relevant in the game.Edited by ZOS_PeterT on October 27, 2016 4:39PM7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It is not about buying an expensive car - but imagine this - you would have to pay like $10,000 dollars for a chance to get a rare car - but what you actually get for your 10k dollars is a gallon of fuel, refill oil and a few screws - and you would have to buy in average 100 such crates to eventually get a car which is worth $750,000. You would really hate it, wouldn't you?
And don't think that ZOS is so generous with the chances in their crates as I was in the example above - they will drain you even more.
I get your point but it ignores mine.... what does what I do with my money have to do with you or hurt you? Quit worrying about what others do... maybe I would feel bad about said scenario, maybe I wouldn't but that's my choice to make as much as it is yours. I stand by my point, crown crates don't HURT anything but people's pride who do t buy them for whatever their reason is.
See, in my home country there is a law against immoral business practices, which abuse the weakness of people and sell them something what is significantly overpriced. Then there is a law, for selling something where the actual price is hidden or not mentioned. I am raised and living with these moral values - to me these crates are immoral and eventually even criminal. So I care, I care enough to not support this company any longer, if they implement these crates - and i stopped paying.4
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