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So many tanking sets.. *drool*
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✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »You realize 1k is nothing right? It's 10% of base hp, 1/4 of what your food bonus is.
Enjoy your eggshell dps.
Going from 16.2k HP to 17.3k HP is the line between life and death for MANY dmging abilities in trials.
Take some points out of stam/mag. You don't need to be a glass cannon to dps and the dps gain is negligible from a few points.
Man, I thought this thread would have died off by now...
You realize that the percentage changes in dps by having to invest in 1k health vs having your group buffed by the tank is noticeable and significant. It matters to min/maxers, which, despite your claims, you're clearly not.5 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »You realize 1k is nothing right? It's 10% of base hp, 1/4 of what your food bonus is.
Enjoy your eggshell dps.
Going from 16.2k HP to 17.3k HP is the line between life and death for MANY dmging abilities in trials.
Take some points out of stam/mag. You don't need to be a glass cannon to dps and the dps gain is negligible from a few points.
You think your 5 piece set bonus as the tank is worth DPS gains from anywhere from 8-10 DPS characters? Serious question, please answer.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points0 -
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✭WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »You realize 1k is nothing right? It's 10% of base hp, 1/4 of what your food bonus is.
Enjoy your eggshell dps.
Going from 16.2k HP to 17.3k HP is the line between life and death for MANY dmging abilities in trials.
Take some points out of stam/mag. You don't need to be a glass cannon to dps and the dps gain is negligible from a few points.
You think your 5 piece set bonus as the tank is worth DPS gains from anywhere from 8-10 DPS characters? Serious question, please answer.
I think that the gain from 1000 stam is only 25 weapon damage so yes. *** knightmare is a better set, anything that regens ult, Leeching, etc.
Or you could have a proper healer who auto shields, the sky is the limit. I'd rather tank longer with a proper group than have a bunch of glass cannons. I swear this game is infested with people who only see value in dps and ignore every other aspect of the game.Edited by WalksonGraves on October 26, 2016 6:41PM0 -
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✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »You realize 1k is nothing right? It's 10% of base hp, 1/4 of what your food bonus is.
Enjoy your eggshell dps.
Going from 16.2k HP to 17.3k HP is the line between life and death for MANY dmging abilities in trials.
Take some points out of stam/mag. You don't need to be a glass cannon to dps and the dps gain is negligible from a few points.
You think your 5 piece set bonus as the tank is worth DPS gains from anywhere from 8-10 DPS characters? Serious question, please answer.
I think that the gain from 1000 stam is only 25 weapon damage so yes. *** knightmare is a better set, anything that regens ult, Leeching, etc.
Or you could have a proper healer who auto shields, the sky is the limit. I'd rather tank longer with a proper group than have a bunch of glass cannons. I swear this game is infested with people who only see value in dps and ignore every other aspect of the game.
You know the game is literally scored on how fast you can clear content right? Also, 1000 stam is about 95 weapon dmg.Edited by Erock25 on October 26, 2016 6:46PMYou earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points3 -
Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lol. Actually, 1000 stamina is worth 95.6 weapon damage, nearly 4x as much as you think.
If your issue is with the game being too heavily dps-focused, your issue is with ZOS. This isn't WoW. In ESO, the healers' and the tanks' jobs are to buff their dps. That is literally the definition of both roles. Aggro, mitigation, and healing are all just the "busy work" of the role in this game.
I swear, it's like you started playing two months ago and are arguing with all of the big players in the tanking community, one by one. I can't fathom why they are shooting you down at every turn...
No matter. It's not like most of us disagreeing with you have spent dozens of hours on the math alone, or cumulative days of real-time testing in practical settings. What could we possibly know about group composition and optimal set balancing?Edited by Autolycus on October 26, 2016 6:59PM1 -
WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
✭WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »You realize 1k is nothing right? It's 10% of base hp, 1/4 of what your food bonus is.
Enjoy your eggshell dps.
Going from 16.2k HP to 17.3k HP is the line between life and death for MANY dmging abilities in trials.
Take some points out of stam/mag. You don't need to be a glass cannon to dps and the dps gain is negligible from a few points.
You think your 5 piece set bonus as the tank is worth DPS gains from anywhere from 8-10 DPS characters? Serious question, please answer.
I think that the gain from 1000 stam is only 25 weapon damage so yes. *** knightmare is a better set, anything that regens ult, Leeching, etc.
Or you could have a proper healer who auto shields, the sky is the limit. I'd rather tank longer with a proper group than have a bunch of glass cannons. I swear this game is infested with people who only see value in dps and ignore every other aspect of the game.
You know the game is literally scored on how fast you can clear content right? Also, 1000 stam is about 95 weapon dmg.
You can worry about your dps score, my job is to keep everyone alive. Honestly you think 95 added dmg really compares to lets say more often warhorn? Literally tens of thousands of added dps x 20 vs 2k total. Here's a thought, don't make a *** build that can't survive without a marginal health increase.Edited by WalksonGraves on October 26, 2016 7:01PM0 -
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✭Lol. Actually, 1000 stamina is worth 95.6 weapon damage, nearly 4x as much as you think.
If your issue is with the game being too heavily dps-focused, your issue is with ZOS. This isn't WoW. In ESO, the healers' and the tanks' jobs are to buff their dps. That is literally the definition of both roles. Aggro, mitigation, and healing are all just the "busy work" of the role in this game.
I swear, it's like you started playing two months ago and are arguing with all of the big players in the tanking community, one by one. I can't fathom why they are shooting you down at every turn...
No matter. It's not like most of us disagreeing with you have spent dozens of hours on the math alone, or cumulative days of real-time testing in practical settings. What could we possibly know about group composition and optimal set balancing?
I've been playing tank since launch. It's cute that you consider yourself "big players" on this easymode console mmo, maybe if you didnt worship youtubers you might be able to think of a build yourself.Edited by WalksonGraves on October 26, 2016 7:14PM0 -
Shaiba✭✭✭I play all Healers in endgame content but my main is my Khajiit Nightblade.
My Youtube Channel
My Twitch Channel
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WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
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What content have you tanked ?WalksonGraves wrote: »I've been playing tank since launch.
Vet Hel Ra, all the vet dungeons, MA (with my tank set up, took forever).0 -
Shaiba✭✭✭In response to your edit : They are good players. I have read a lot of things from Autolycus and Lightspeed, they are great players, giving tons of good advices (not only "meta" one), they're open-minded, you shouldn't be condescending with them, they're only here to help you (cause you opened a thread to receive advices from experienced tank and they're wasting their time cause you're better than anyone and you know everything about the game). I don't know the other guys who posted here, but i'm sure they were trying to help you and what they said was very insightful, and all you did was being condescending towards them, what for ? Why have you asked for help if you can't/don't accept it ? Do you have a problem with people who are more experienced than you ? (kind of jealousy/hate or something like that ? cause it looks like that) Do you have a problem with people who achieve endgame content while being glasscannon DD (cause their group is well-synergized and it permit them to play that way) ?
What feedback did you received from your vet trial group on your tanking ? What kind of group is that ? (are they looking to be well synergized as a group ?).
Well, if you know what a vet trial is, let's talk about this 1000 ressources lost for each of your group members. Talking in a setup of 2heals/2tanks (or 1 tank 1 offtank)/8DD (quite usual in vet trials). You have 8/9 DD who will have to lose 1000 ressource pool for their HP (cause you as the tank don't want to run Ebony), which equates to 95.6 weap dmg (thx Autolycus for the math
). Individually, they loose "little" DPS, for the group, the loss become bigger (8*95.6). And the loss become even bigger with all the buffs we're running in trials which boost damages done (combat prayer, aether, warhorn, ...), they're buffing damage done by %, the more you have the more you get. Won't talk about your healers but they will suffer from that too. Everyone will suffer from this. See why it's a big loss ? Only cause one guy doesn't want to synergize with his group, and want to run a more selfish setup ?
I'm not saying Ebony is a must have. Not at all. But if you decide not using it, you must wear something that is at least as good.
I can't help you more for one reason : I don't want to help you, you simply don't deserve it and it seems you don't want to be helped. All you want is people telling you that you're right. So here it is, YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT, PRO ENDGAME TANK. Happy ?
I play all Healers in endgame content but my main is my Khajiit Nightblade.
My Youtube Channel
My Twitch Channel
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Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭WalksonGraves wrote: »Lol. Actually, 1000 stamina is worth 95.6 weapon damage, nearly 4x as much as you think.
If your issue is with the game being too heavily dps-focused, your issue is with ZOS. This isn't WoW. In ESO, the healers' and the tanks' jobs are to buff their dps. That is literally the definition of both roles. Aggro, mitigation, and healing are all just the "busy work" of the role in this game.
I swear, it's like you started playing two months ago and are arguing with all of the big players in the tanking community, one by one. I can't fathom why they are shooting you down at every turn...
No matter. It's not like most of us disagreeing with you have spent dozens of hours on the math alone, or cumulative days of real-time testing in practical settings. What could we possibly know about group composition and optimal set balancing?
I've been playing tank since launch. It's cute that you consider yourself "big players" on this easymode console mmo, maybe if you didnt worship youtubers you might be able to think of a build yourself.
Lol, yes it's sooooo easy. That's why you go up against ~10 mobs at a Dark Anchor and almost died instantly (edit: he didn't actually die, because the ever-so-amazing Invigorating Drain spam), or perhaps it's why you have no endgame experience. But I get it: everyone who disagrees with you copied their build from a "youtuber" who is inherently evil for having a video. God you are so very stupid. I've never seen a worse tank in all of my years of MMOs.
I don't believe for a second that you've been tanking since launch. Unless of course, you mean pvp tanking, which counts for nothing in endgame pve content. I know a good tank when I see one, and your understanding of tanking fundamentals, group composition, and build optimization is about as complex as sticking two Legos together. It's not your difference in playstyle that leads me to this conclusion, it's simply your arrogance and hostility, your inability to have a conversation without dropping accusations and arguing with everyone.
You don't even bother reading everything that people post. Countless times you have argued with someone about something they had already explained. Most of what you argued has been mathematically proven, yet you argue it as if it were no more than an untested hypothesis with a plethora of holes within its logical. You see no logic at all, you are exceedingly aggressive, and you even argue with people who agree with you.
Some of the people you are insulting and arguing with have spent days worth of time on the math to prove these concepts alone. The amount of time spent in actual trials testing and perfecting builds and mastering the finer details of ESO's mechanics even put that to shame. You have no idea how knowledgeable and experienced some of these "big players" are, yet you are fully confident that you know better. I'm not even lumping myself in with the "big players," because even with as much experience as I have, many others are still far more knowledgeable than I am still. It's pathetic and you should be ashamed of your demeanor.Edited by Autolycus on October 26, 2016 9:13PM5 -
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✭✭I'd just love to be able to tank and still have say, 2800 weapon damage and at least 40 percent crit, unbuffed. That way I might actually be able to enjoy doing solo stuff with the tank not just being stuck just as a group member, also when the inevitable whining about not having war horn slotted, as my anxiety disorder cannot tolerate pvp, I'd at least be able to argue that I'm doing more damage than a lot of dps in pug groups. I pretty much exclusively do dungeons through the group finder
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AverageJo3Gam3r✭✭✭✭✭OP needs to look at vMOL tanks, and copy what they do. Seriously, why would anyone question the chops of folks that have cleared the hardest group content in the game. Every single one of them runs similar builds. Not a single one runs mighty chudan, invigorating drain, or 50k hp. Until OP posts a vMOL clear with his build, then stop arguing it's BiS. The players that have completed the hardest content in the game have, by definition, the BiS builds.4 -
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✭WalksonGraves wrote: »Lol. Actually, 1000 stamina is worth 95.6 weapon damage, nearly 4x as much as you think.
If your issue is with the game being too heavily dps-focused, your issue is with ZOS. This isn't WoW. In ESO, the healers' and the tanks' jobs are to buff their dps. That is literally the definition of both roles. Aggro, mitigation, and healing are all just the "busy work" of the role in this game.
I swear, it's like you started playing two months ago and are arguing with all of the big players in the tanking community, one by one. I can't fathom why they are shooting you down at every turn...
No matter. It's not like most of us disagreeing with you have spent dozens of hours on the math alone, or cumulative days of real-time testing in practical settings. What could we possibly know about group composition and optimal set balancing?
I've been playing tank since launch. It's cute that you consider yourself "big players" on this easymode console mmo, maybe if you didnt worship youtubers you might be able to think of a build yourself.
Lol, yes it's sooooo easy. That's why you go up against ~10 mobs at a Dark Anchor and almost died instantly (edit: he didn't actually die, because the ever-so-amazing Invigorating Drain spam), or perhaps it's why you have no endgame experience. But I get it: everyone who disagrees with you copied their build from a "youtuber" who is inherently evil for having a video. God you are so very stupid. I've never seen a worse tank in all of my years of MMOs.
I don't believe for a second that you've been tanking since launch. Unless of course, you mean pvp tanking, which counts for nothing in endgame pve content. I know a good tank when I see one, and your understanding of tanking fundamentals, group composition, and build optimization is about as complex as sticking two Legos together. It's not your difference in playstyle that leads me to this conclusion, it's simply your arrogance and hostility, your inability to have a conversation without dropping accusations and arguing with everyone.
You don't even bother reading everything that people post. Countless times you have argued with someone about something they had already explained. Most of what you argued has been mathematically proven, yet you argue it as if it were no more than an untested hypothesis with a plethora of holes within its logical. You see no logic at all, you are exceedingly aggressive, and you even argue with people who agree with you.
Some of the people you are insulting and arguing with have spent days worth of time on the math to prove these concepts alone. The amount of time spent in actual trials testing and perfecting builds and mastering the finer details of ESO's mechanics even put that to shame. You have no idea how knowledgeable and experienced some of these "big players" are, yet you are fully confident that you know better. I'm not even lumping myself in with the "big players," because even with as much experience as I have, many others are still far more knowledgeable than I am still. It's pathetic and you should be ashamed of your demeanor.
That vid was with lvl 20 greens to show the ult gen with hide of the ww set, what an amazing example. Just because you can do it one way doesn't mean it's the only method.
You've never seen me tank so I'm not sure how "I'm the worst ever". I'm sure you do fine with other people's builds, I just prefer to test and create things for myself. Don't worry once I get my sets built I'll post the vids on youtube and you can have a new hero to emulate.Edited by WalksonGraves on October 26, 2016 9:47PM1 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We talking PVE? Mitigation caps for tanking are irrelevant. Your job is to be a buff/debuff Ulti-Bot. Figure out how to not die and get your major force uptime to 50% (warhorn from group every 20 seconds), and you are good.
Sets you see on tanks in competitive endgame content: Tavas (ulti-bot), Dragon (ulti-bot), Ebon (buff), Alkosh (debuff).
Edit: Dont hesitate to throw in your favorite Monster set. Most good tanks carry a few depending on situation. Bloodspawn and Lord Warden seem to be the most popular in VMOL.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on October 26, 2016 10:35PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »Baconfat79 wrote: »You can meet resistance caps 100% of the time without Chudan. I'm not forgetting it's def bonus...I'm saying that it is not needed. You could have something far more useful to your group in those slots. You clearly don't want to listen to reason, so I'm just going to let this argument die. Enjoy using your "BiS" Chudan set.WalksonGraves wrote: »I can tank anything in the game without breaking a sweat.
This gave me a good laugh, btw. When was the last time you tanked vet trials with that setup? Never? Oh. Go figure.
Lol from the guy who fails at comprehending addition. Yeah my having higher stats and more buffs clearly puts me at a disadvantage.
Actually it puts your group at a disadvantage. There are two things you need to do when tanking. Stay alive (while holding aggro), and help your group.
The first part, staying alive, is pass/fail. Either you die or you dont. One way to pass is to stack mitigation through the roof. The other is to use your skill and figure out just how much resistance you need to avoid a one shot. Hint: The later is better, and the amount of resistance needed is nowhere near the cap.
The Second part is more subjective. Are you Buffing your Group? Are you Debuffing the Boss? Are your spitting out warhorns on command? Hint: this part is WAY more important. Anybody can max mitigation caps and hold down RMB. It doesnt make you a good tank.
If you do more than is needed to accomplish the first part, you will fail miserably at the second part. Most tanking Duos taking on VMOL wear the same sets. One goes 5 Alkosh/5 Tavas, the other goes 5 Ebon/5 Tavas. Warhorn is life!!!
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✭I know no sane person would read through those angry walls of text, but yeah Im running all buff/debuffs and warhorn takes me about 45 seconds to generate.0 -
Autolycus✭✭✭✭✭
✭WalksonGraves wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »Lol. Actually, 1000 stamina is worth 95.6 weapon damage, nearly 4x as much as you think.
If your issue is with the game being too heavily dps-focused, your issue is with ZOS. This isn't WoW. In ESO, the healers' and the tanks' jobs are to buff their dps. That is literally the definition of both roles. Aggro, mitigation, and healing are all just the "busy work" of the role in this game.
I swear, it's like you started playing two months ago and are arguing with all of the big players in the tanking community, one by one. I can't fathom why they are shooting you down at every turn...
No matter. It's not like most of us disagreeing with you have spent dozens of hours on the math alone, or cumulative days of real-time testing in practical settings. What could we possibly know about group composition and optimal set balancing?
I've been playing tank since launch. It's cute that you consider yourself "big players" on this easymode console mmo, maybe if you didnt worship youtubers you might be able to think of a build yourself.
Lol, yes it's sooooo easy. That's why you go up against ~10 mobs at a Dark Anchor and almost died instantly (edit: he didn't actually die, because the ever-so-amazing Invigorating Drain spam), or perhaps it's why you have no endgame experience. But I get it: everyone who disagrees with you copied their build from a "youtuber" who is inherently evil for having a video. God you are so very stupid. I've never seen a worse tank in all of my years of MMOs.
I don't believe for a second that you've been tanking since launch. Unless of course, you mean pvp tanking, which counts for nothing in endgame pve content. I know a good tank when I see one, and your understanding of tanking fundamentals, group composition, and build optimization is about as complex as sticking two Legos together. It's not your difference in playstyle that leads me to this conclusion, it's simply your arrogance and hostility, your inability to have a conversation without dropping accusations and arguing with everyone.
You don't even bother reading everything that people post. Countless times you have argued with someone about something they had already explained. Most of what you argued has been mathematically proven, yet you argue it as if it were no more than an untested hypothesis with a plethora of holes within its logical. You see no logic at all, you are exceedingly aggressive, and you even argue with people who agree with you.
Some of the people you are insulting and arguing with have spent days worth of time on the math to prove these concepts alone. The amount of time spent in actual trials testing and perfecting builds and mastering the finer details of ESO's mechanics even put that to shame. You have no idea how knowledgeable and experienced some of these "big players" are, yet you are fully confident that you know better. I'm not even lumping myself in with the "big players," because even with as much experience as I have, many others are still far more knowledgeable than I am still. It's pathetic and you should be ashamed of your demeanor.
That vid was with lvl 20 greens to show the ult gen with hide of the ww set, what an amazing example. Just because you can do it one way doesn't mean it's the only method.
You've never seen me tank so I'm not sure how "I'm the worst ever". I'm sure you do fine with other people's builds, I just prefer to test and create things for myself. Don't worry once I get my sets built I'll post the vids on youtube and you can have a new hero to emulate.
What a hypocrite. "Look at me, I'm going to be a youtuber too, then talk *** on everyone who watches a video."
I don't need to see anything else to know you're wrong and that your setup is lacking. I've talked to you extensively and I know the limitations of your knowledge and experience because of it. You fail to realize that most of us develop our builds on our own. We seek only the knowledge that others have to share to add to our own, and then develop our own builds from the collective knowledge. That's how *** gets done. We don't just emulate some popular random on the internet. I mean... DUH. What a stupid comment.
One of the first things I said to you was that it's possible and reasonable to make different builds work. I also gave you suggestions on how to do that with your setup. And what did you do? You argued with and insulted me. I can credit you with one thing, at least: You aren't prejudiced. You are just an ass to everyone, clearly.
Thanks for proving my point: that you lack knowledge and experience, and that you don't even listen/read the advice people give you. That's the single thing that is most likely to halt your progression: not listening to feedback and trying suggestions that people make. I'm sure I'll be saying this again, but these concepts are not some random thoughts that people think might work. These are concepts that have been proven mathematically in combination with dozens, if not hundreds, of hours of research and testing. To ignore the time and effort others in the community have spent to learn and share that information, and then top it off with insults, is pathetic.Edited by Autolycus on October 26, 2016 11:12PM3 -
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✭I think my build is better than what "works" but please continue to explain why your amazing dps isn't viable in raids due to low hp somehow being the tanks responsibility.
DK and NB tanks have completely different strengths, your info is outdated anyways.0 -
mildlylucid✭✭✭Everything in this game is about group dps.
The biggest question when it comes to builds (for any role) in this game for group content is:How does this affect the group's dps?
If a tank doesn't provide a buff that the DDs or Healers then need to provide themselves at the cost of their dps, then the dps you gained from whatever you replaced that buff with better increase your dps more than it reduced theirs.Another day, another deathtrap.
PC | NA | CP: 690+
Main: Littlewill (50) - Khajiit Dragonknight Tank
Alts:Bajzhli-do (50) - Khajiit Stamina Dragonknight DPS
Tlanir Dro'flayn (23) - Dunmer Magicka Nightblade DPS
Morgayne Dalodrel (21) - Breton Magicka Templar Healer
Tumande Stormwatch (20) - Altmer Magicka Sorcerer DPS
Tamdril Merilyn (5) - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight DPS
Bjorngrim Ingensen (5) - Nord Warden Tank
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✭I put Yokeda on my NB tank and am loving it.
Did it just try the fiev piece and ended up loving the five so much.
Tried this on the planar inhibitor the other day and it worked like charm;
Right before blue phase starts drop a veil
As blue flame starts; drop a shade and take off running
Get to the edge of you shade range (you can tell because the skill will grey out)
Right when he get to you teleport back to the shade sitting in your veil;
When the inhibitor reaches you agin redeploy a shade and tale off as far as you this time you may have to incorporate a dodge roll because of the snare;
Jump back to the shade
The inhibitor should go down before she gets back to you if you were patient enough and got the spacing right.
Still take a healer dedicated to saving your bacon with the DOT your carrying but you can tank the inhibitor and live (with heal support) in purple Tavas and Yokeda,
And if you die during blue phase you get one free death every ten minutes.
Although the healer needs to continue to heal you you still carry your DOT from the pinion even after a Yokeda.
There are much easier and simpler strategies for this fight but using a shade is just so damn fun.
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✭✭✭✭@Autolycus
@Oreyn_Bearclaw
@Erock25
You know, if you look at his arguements from the position of a pug scrub that's used to getting carried then they're all 100% correct. Maybe we just need perspective5 -
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✭@Autolycus
@Oreyn_Bearclaw
@Erock25
You know, if you look at his arguements from the position of a pug scrub that's used to getting carried then they're all 100% correct. Maybe we just need perspective
lol you are such petty little tw@s. Enjoy your suck builds losers1 -
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✭WalksonGraves wrote: »@Autolycus
@Oreyn_Bearclaw
@Erock25
You know, if you look at his arguements from the position of a pug scrub that's used to getting carried then they're all 100% correct. Maybe we just need perspective
lol you are such petty little tw@s. Enjoy your suck builds losers
I'm pretty sure they do enjoy them and from the sounds of things, are pretty successful with them. If your set up works for you and your group isn't complaining about you not supplying them with the buffs and debuffs that they expect from a tank then power to you and I hope you enjoy it.1 -
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✭✭✭I'm so sick of the meta game in ESO but you're screwed if you don't conform to it, at least for competitive settings.
While OP is allowed to have an opinion on what sets he wants to wear, that's all it is, his opinion.
If he wants to wear Mighty Chuden and be a max resist tank, let him but when he gets 1 shot by Mantikora or any other Trial Boss, he might realize max resistance mean all of jack in ESO. The best way to tank in ESO is to make the content go by as quickly as possible and that usually means conforming to what is most efficient, which is the Ultimate Regen Tank build, decked to the 9s in Buffs and Debuffs for the group to better perform their jobs with. Its sucks and is horribly boring but that's honestly what it comes down too.
There are no Tanks or Healers in ESO, just Buff Totems that hold aggro, heal people, and make life easier for the DPS.Argonian forever2 -
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✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »I've run both, chudan is BiS for tanks. Don't forget it's secondary is one of the only ways to hit 33k. Better to have defense 100% of the time and free up space on your bar.
refreshing path isn't worth using and dark shades last twice as long as the buff so there is no visual cue for when it is up.
I dropped shalk just because the ult generation was ok but only a fraction of invigorating drain.
Dream gear is defensive warrior and Alemaxias mercy.
There is nothing wrong with running your own unique setup that works for you, but typically you should provide evidence if you are going to declare something to be BIS. Videos, Leaderboard scores, HM completions, ECT.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »There are no Tanks or Healers in ESO, just Buff Totems that hold aggro, heal people, and make life easier for the DPS.
That's it for group and especially vet raid PvE, the whole secret in one sentence. ESO is centered around dps, maybe even more as other MMOs.
It does not make a tank and/or a healer role less necessary as in WoW or other MMOs, btw, It just makes the role different and maybe even more complex.
I still have my Footman stuff in my inventory, because I once thought being a max resistance and max hp tank is the goal to aim for, but meanwhile I use Ebon/Tavas and have several monster sets (Bloodspawn, Lord Warden, Engine Guardian) for different scenarios. It's pretty sufficient for surviving.
Edited by Flameheart on October 27, 2016 3:34PMSometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
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✭✭✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »@Autolycus
@Oreyn_Bearclaw
@Erock25
You know, if you look at his arguements from the position of a pug scrub that's used to getting carried then they're all 100% correct. Maybe we just need perspective
lol you are such petty little tw@s. Enjoy your suck builds losers
Dude, what is wrong with you? You asked advice, and then you attack everyone that doesnt agree with you? Wear whatever f'ing armor you want, but dont make posts proclaiming something to be BIS with not support.
In 4 man content, it really doesnt matter. You can DPS tank damn near everything. If you want to talk about actually tanking difficult stuff like VMOL, well none of the armor you mentioned is being worn by anyone clearing that place.
Have you tanked VMOL successfully? My guess is no, because I cant see a group putting up with that, but if so, we would all love to see a unique take on how to do it. The community of people pushing VMOL speedruns and clearing/attempting HM is pretty small. If you have some insight on how to make it better, then either share it with proof, or keep it to yourself.
To comment on a few other things you said:
1. Could you please post a video of you getting a warhorn up in 45 seconds, while wearing no gear to boost your ulti gain, I would love to see it. I wont hold my breath, however, because I dont believe it.
2. You cant possibly be running all the debuffs, because I dont think you are wearing alkosh. This set is huge. Yes it can be worn by a stamina DPS, but the vast majority of groups have found you get a better uptime if the tank wears it.
3. If you need 33k resist to survive, you keep talking about max resist, then you probably arent much of a tank. There is no fight that requires that in this game. Like anything in this game, there are tradeoffs. If you are pushing resist to the cap, you are making other sacrifices.
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✭✭✭Baconfat79 wrote: »Finally, another rational person in this thread. I was starting to feel like I was taking crazy pills. OP is a special kind of stupid. I'm done with this thread.
I think the other point being missed is that the skills which offer major ward/resolve ALSO confer other benefits which are not being given by the passive applied from a piece of armor. This also makes you less likely to use these skills. I actually could see the point of using Shalk to use something else for ultimate generation, but I don't see how its the highest and best use.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
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✭Seriously though, I just get defensive about my builds.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »@Autolycus
@Oreyn_Bearclaw
@Erock25
You know, if you look at his arguements from the position of a pug scrub that's used to getting carried then they're all 100% correct. Maybe we just need perspective
lol you are such petty little tw@s. Enjoy your suck builds losers
Dude, what is wrong with you? You asked advice, and then you attack everyone that doesnt agree with you? Wear whatever f'ing armor you want, but dont make posts proclaiming something to be BIS with not support.
In 4 man content, it really doesnt matter. You can DPS tank damn near everything. If you want to talk about actually tanking difficult stuff like VMOL, well none of the armor you mentioned is being worn by anyone clearing that place.
Have you tanked VMOL successfully? My guess is no, because I cant see a group putting up with that, but if so, we would all love to see a unique take on how to do it. The community of people pushing VMOL speedruns and clearing/attempting HM is pretty small. If you have some insight on how to make it better, then either share it with proof, or keep it to yourself.
To comment on a few other things you said:
1. Could you please post a video of you getting a warhorn up in 45 seconds, while wearing no gear to boost your ulti gain, I would love to see it. I wont hold my breath, however, because I dont believe it.
2. You cant possibly be running all the debuffs, because I dont think you are wearing alkosh. This set is huge. Yes it can be worn by a stamina DPS, but the vast majority of groups have found you get a better uptime if the tank wears it.
3. If you need 33k resist to survive, you keep talking about max resist, then you probably arent much of a tank. There is no fight that requires that in this game. Like anything in this game, there are tradeoffs. If you are pushing resist to the cap, you are making other sacrifices.dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »Baconfat79 wrote: »Finally, another rational person in this thread. I was starting to feel like I was taking crazy pills. OP is a special kind of stupid. I'm done with this thread.
I think the other point being missed is that the skills which offer major ward/resolve ALSO confer other benefits which are not being given by the passive applied from a piece of armor. This also makes you less likely to use these skills. I actually could see the point of using Shalk to use something else for ultimate generation, but I don't see how its the highest and best use.
I'll post a vid once I get a tavas set to show the difference.
But here is the calc anyways,
300 ult a min from drain, only time I stop is to block heavy attacks or light attacks to keep resources topped off.
20 ult from pots every 45 seconds, (26 ult/min)
Not counting the ult from light attacks (which heal 2.5k and restore all resources)
If I ran bs/tavas/dragon Id get 230 ult in 25 seconds assuming bs procs once and I use a pot and heroic slash.
Hide of ww (60 ult/min)
With Tava's (180 ult/min)
heroic (40 ult/min)0