So many tanking sets.. *drool*

WalksonGraves

So here is my conundrum.
Too many awesome choices.

I have to pick two out of this list and it's too hard. I'm a max hp & healing Argonian.

-Leeching Plate: 8% chance of aoe dmg/heals on hit

-Defending Warrior: 4k aoe on block that heals. This is definitely my first pick

- 7th legion brute: 10% chance to heal 2.5-3.5k hp on hit.

-Alemaxias mercy: 20% chance when hit to aoe heal for like 6-7k.

Worst part is I started using the Knighmare set and that aoe maim is amazing. Hate to lose it.


Probably going defending/Alemaxias.

Oakmontowls_ESO

What class is your tank? Also are you planning on being stamina based or magika based?

sickboy2808

Just found a piece of Legion Brute and thought ohhh that sounds a nice set??

WalksonGraves

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

What class is your tank? Also are you planning on being stamina based or magika based?

Nb, I put all into hp and use mag for everything but piercing strike. Siphoning strikes makes resource regen meaningless. Using the hp with mag regen. Currently using 7th legion, it's great for how easy it is to acquire. With chudan my def is always capped so I pretty much just have to sit there taunting and healing myself. Most boss fights I stay above 90% hp.

Baconfat79

I don't think that any of these are a valid replacement for the Ultimate-focused sets (Bloodspawn, Tava's, Potentates, Werewolf Hide, etc.) While the bonuses on the sets you listed are cool, none of them are going to be as helpful to the group as having better uptime on Warhorn. Warhorn is just way too good.

Doctordarkspawn

There's also a nice one from trials now that, on block, basicly drops a mine that explodes and heals you for 100% damage.

Oompuh

You're on the right track for a Saptank (A Magicka Nightblade based tank that heals himself). As a nightblade with already high ult recovery and no sustain issues with siphoning, focusing on self/group healing is the right direction. AoE heals on damage would be beneficial to the team, but make sure your off tank is wearing alkosh and ebon to give other support that the group needs (in trials situations, If your just a 4 man tank, don't worry about that).

I would not suggest Mighty Chudan at all! As a nightblade, you have refreshing path and dark shades. One is a aoe hot, the other applies maim. While either of these are down (or any skills line in the shadow tree) you get major ward and resolve from passives, making that set useless.

Doctordarkspawn

Oompuh wrote: »

You're on the right track for a Saptank (A Magicka Nightblade based tank that heals himself). As a nightblade with already high ult recovery and no sustain issues with siphoning, focusing on self/group healing is the right direction. AoE heals on damage would be beneficial to the team, but make sure your off tank is wearing alkosh and ebon to give other support that the group needs (in trials situations, If your just a 4 man tank, don't worry about that).

I would not suggest Mighty Chudan at all! As a nightblade, you have refreshing path and dark shades. One is a aoe hot, the other applies maim. While either of these are down (or any skills line in the shadow tree) you get major ward and resolve from passives, making that set useless.

But the buff is only 10 seconds long. For those who dont have the best reaction time or have trouble keeping buffs along at the best of times it's not a bad alternative.

I say go for it, it's what I plan to do.

WalksonGraves

Whole reason I use chudan and nightmare is to not need to use those skills and always be at cap defense. Never run out of mana for mirage.

WalksonGraves

Baconfat79 wrote: »

I don't think that any of these are a valid replacement for the Ultimate-focused sets (Bloodspawn, Tava's, Potentates, Werewolf Hide, etc.) While the bonuses on the sets you listed are cool, none of them are going to be as helpful to the group as having better uptime on Warhorn. Warhorn is just way too good.

As a vampire all I really need is invigorating drain. Bloodspawn is lackluster now because shalk blows every ult generator away and the defense bonus is too uncommon to be useful. Warhorn regularly is great but your primary concern is survivability.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Baconfat79 wrote: »

I don't think that any of these are a valid replacement for the Ultimate-focused sets (Bloodspawn, Tava's, Potentates, Werewolf Hide, etc.) While the bonuses on the sets you listed are cool, none of them are going to be as helpful to the group as having better uptime on Warhorn. Warhorn is just way too good.

As a vampire all I really need is invigorating drain. Bloodspawn is lackluster now because shalk blows every ult generator away and the defense bonus is too uncommon to be useful. Warhorn regularly is great but your primary concern is survivability.

http://esoitem.uesp.net/itemLinkImage.php?itemid=7382&level=66&quality=5&version=12pts

SHALK EXOSKELETON is terrible buddy, Minor Heroism is something that you get from heroic slash, so you get that buff from an ability that you ought to be running anyways as a tank. nothing beats the set that Wlak mentioned. maybe for a mag dk, that does use the heroic slash for minor main.


survivability is easy to gain from other sources, other then hard capped armor resists. healing, shields and the like.

WalksonGraves

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Baconfat79 wrote: »

I don't think that any of these are a valid replacement for the Ultimate-focused sets (Bloodspawn, Tava's, Potentates, Werewolf Hide, etc.) While the bonuses on the sets you listed are cool, none of them are going to be as helpful to the group as having better uptime on Warhorn. Warhorn is just way too good.

As a vampire all I really need is invigorating drain. Bloodspawn is lackluster now because shalk blows every ult generator away and the defense bonus is too uncommon to be useful. Warhorn regularly is great but your primary concern is survivability.

http://esoitem.uesp.net/itemLinkImage.php?itemid=7382&level=66&quality=5&version=12pts

SHALK EXOSKELETON is terrible buddy, Minor Heroism is something that you get from heroic slash, so you get that buff from an ability that you ought to be running anyways as a tank. nothing beats the set that Wlak mentioned. maybe for a mag dk, that does use the heroic slash for minor main.


survivability is easy to gain from other sources, other then hard capped armor resists. healing, shields and the like.

2600 stam every 9 seconds vs always.
With decisive your ult shoots up ridiculously fast.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Baconfat79 wrote: »

I don't think that any of these are a valid replacement for the Ultimate-focused sets (Bloodspawn, Tava's, Potentates, Werewolf Hide, etc.) While the bonuses on the sets you listed are cool, none of them are going to be as helpful to the group as having better uptime on Warhorn. Warhorn is just way too good.

As a vampire all I really need is invigorating drain. Bloodspawn is lackluster now because shalk blows every ult generator away and the defense bonus is too uncommon to be useful. Warhorn regularly is great but your primary concern is survivability.

http://esoitem.uesp.net/itemLinkImage.php?itemid=7382&level=66&quality=5&version=12pts

SHALK EXOSKELETON is terrible buddy, Minor Heroism is something that you get from heroic slash, so you get that buff from an ability that you ought to be running anyways as a tank. nothing beats the set that Wlak mentioned. maybe for a mag dk, that does use the heroic slash for minor main.


survivability is easy to gain from other sources, other then hard capped armor resists. healing, shields and the like.

2600 stam every 9 seconds vs always.
With decisive your ult shoots up ridiculously fast.

well that is the great thing about tanking, there are a lot of ways to do it, so.

my slash costs 2.3k, you must not have any cp into cost reduction or wear any medium armor.

also my tank is a stam dk, so every other set bonus is worthless to me. might be good on a magic toon that doesn't use horic slash or the stam taunt though. though to me, that would not be a very good tank, as you are missing out on the major debuffs and such but you could make it work.


but for the fun of it let's do some math, tavas vs Shalk.

with shalk you get 40 ulti a minute, with decisive on your one hander you get 17% more ulti, on average( http://esoitem.uesp.net/itemLinkImage.php?itemid=96711&level=66&quality=5&version=12pts)

so 40*.17 = 6.8, so in that minute from that set you get an average of 47 ulti.

now tavas is 9 ulti every 3 seconds you dodge an attack( http://esoitem.uesp.net/item-71792-66-5.png)

so the max you can get in the same amount of time is 180 ulti, without decisive, is almost 4 times as much. you would only need to dodge an attack every 10 seconds to get the same amount of ulti as you would get from Shalk. plus, when you run heroic slash, you get the ulti from that as well. so, if you are good and keep that up, you can get the 40 ulti from that on top of tavas. AND you don't need to run decisive, you can run infused for the crusher enchant or defending for more armor or run the master sword.


even werewolf hide (http://esoitem.uesp.net/itemLink.php?itemid=43893&summary), which is 60 ulti every minute, beats it if you are gettting hit at least every 6 seconds AND when you run heroic slash, you get the ulti from that as well. so, if you are good and keep that up, you can get the 40 ulti from that on top of werewolf hide .

i personally run tava and dragonguard on my tank, i like the magic regen from dragon more then the other set bonuses from werewolf or Potentates

WalksonGraves

Your math is off because decisive adds 1 every time you get ult.

so shalk is 60 a min, with invigorating drain you can up that to 365 ult a minute in total.

ww gets outperformed.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Your math is off because decisive adds 1 every time you get ult.

so shalk is 60 a min, with invigorating drain you can up that to 365 ult a minute in total.

ww gets outperformed.

This is so wrong man, there is a 17% chance that you MIGHT get one, so out of 100 times you gain 1 ulti point, you, on average, get 17 more. Now this can be more and can be less on the short term.

I am not calculating for any skills outside the set bonuses and the skill heroic slash.


also "shalk is 60 a min" is wrong. it is 40. it says "Gain Minor Heroism at all times while you are in combat, generating 1 Ultimate every 1.5 seconds" so that is 2 ulti every 3 second or 40 every 60 seconds. pay attention to the text man.

WalksonGraves

Actually 60/1.5= 40

40 × 17% = 6.8
That's 6.8 chance of 1 ult.

So 66.8 from shalk a min.

Ww is every 5 sec so 60/5 = 12

12 x 17% = 2

62 a min from ww

Tava's is totally useless as no one can perma roll forever so lets say its active 1/3 of the time.
45 ult.

Invigorating Drain
5 ult every second = 300
60×17% = 10

310 total.

So shalk + drain wins because WW isn't as consistent since its dependant on taking damage. As for durability, it's almost impossible to die in bolstering darkness and you can run it uninterrupted.

You are forgetting that extra ult is 1 per tick not a percentage.

Baconfat79

WalksonGraves wrote: »

As a vampire all I really need is invigorating drain. Bloodspawn is lackluster now because shalk blows every ult generator away and the defense bonus is too uncommon to be useful. Warhorn regularly is great but your primary concern is survivability.

Bloodspawn is a 2-piece head/shoulder set, Shalk is a 5-piece that drops in all slots. Apples and oranges.

As far as survivability being the primary concern...no. If you are concerned about survivability, you are doing something terribly wrong as a tank. Survivability should be a given. Your primary concern is buffing the group as much as possible. Warhorn is super important. More DPS means the boss dies faster, which means less concern for your "survivability."

Also, using Chudan set is a huge waste of those slots, and quite frankly, a noob move.

Erock25

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Actually 60/1.5= 40

40 × 17% = 6.8
That's 6.8 chance of 1 ult.

So 66.8 from shalk a min.

Ww is every 5 sec so 60/5 = 12

12 x 17% = 2

62 a min from ww

Tava's is totally useless as no one can perma roll forever so lets say its active 1/3 of the time.
45 ult.

Invigorating Drain
5 ult every second = 300
60×17% = 10

310 total.

So shalk + drain wins because WW isn't as consistent since its dependant on taking damage. As for durability, it's almost impossible to die in bolstering darkness and you can run it uninterrupted.

You are forgetting that extra ult is 1 per tick not a percentage.

Yeah but shalk is crap because it's super easy to keep heroic slash up. Also invigorating drain isn't a passive 5 ulti a second so unless you're spamming it, no idea why you are calculating that as 300 ulti a minute.

Baconfat79

Major Ward, Major Resolve, and Minor Heroism are buffs that any decent tank should have up all the time anyway, so Chudan and Shalk sets are both garbage. They are giving you buffs that you should already have. This isn't rocket science. You are wasting gear slots if you are using those sets.

WalksonGraves

It's better to be permanently capped for def than require spamming 2 abilities every 10 seconds. Relying on major ward from spells weakens you. Same goes for Bloodspawn, If you are getting any use out of 6000 defense your base is too low. You want to be a tank 100% of the time not when sets proc.

Baconfat79

If you need to rely on gear to keep your basic buffs up, then you just aren't very good. You could be using those gear slots for other bonuses that you can't get natively. It's as simple as that. I don't know one single tank that runs Chudan or Shalk, and there are good reasons for that.

WalksonGraves

I've run both, chudan is BiS for tanks. Don't forget it's secondary is one of the only ways to hit 33k. Better to have defense 100% of the time and free up space on your bar.

refreshing path isn't worth using and dark shades last twice as long as the buff so there is no visual cue for when it is up.

I dropped shalk just because the ult generation was ok but only a fraction of invigorating drain.

Dream gear is defensive warrior and Alemaxias mercy.

Rune_Relic

Baconfat79 wrote: »

I don't think that any of these are a valid replacement for the Ultimate-focused sets (Bloodspawn, Tava's, Potentates, Werewolf Hide, etc.) While the bonuses on the sets you listed are cool, none of them are going to be as helpful to the group as having better uptime on Warhorn. Warhorn is just way too good.

+10% resource
+30% critical his @ 250 ultimate vs...

- 30% damage taken on all player
- 60% damage on tank
70% snare on enemies
+ 50% movement speed
+ invisibilty
+ healing
@200 ultimate

Baconfat79

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I've run both, chudan is BiS for tanks. Don't forget it's secondary is one of the only ways to hit 33k. Better to have defense 100% of the time and free up space on your bar.

LOL Chudan is absolutely NOT BiS for tanks. You are dead wrong. One of the only ways to hit 33k? LOL again. It is so easy to have capped resistance without it. SO EASY. Again, no other tanks run Chudan. You have no idea what you are talking about.

WalksonGraves

Baconfat79 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I've run both, chudan is BiS for tanks. Don't forget it's secondary is one of the only ways to hit 33k. Better to have defense 100% of the time and free up space on your bar.

LOL Chudan is absolutely NOT BiS for tanks. You are dead wrong. One of the only ways to hit 33k? LOL again. It is so easy to have capped resistance without it. SO EASY. Again, no other tanks run Chudan. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Sure buddy, tell me all about your first hand experience using these sets. Oh you can't?
Shock.

Please tell me how having 2/3s defense when your buffs aren't up is beneficial. Bloodspawn is no longer bis or even good. It generates as much ult from a proc as a single drain.

"What your friends do" is meaningless because they aren't using my build.

Baconfat79

I don't have experience using them, because they are garbage. Why waste gear slots on buffs that you can get natively? I don't have 2/3 defense ever, because I keep my buffs up. I never said anything about what "my friends" do. It is a fact that serious tanks don't use Chudan. Ask anyone who tanks trials, vDSA, or DLC pledges. Nobody uses it. Find a build on Foundry that uses it. Find an endgame tank that uses it. Go ahead..,

WalksonGraves

I didn't have to I made one. Its sad that you are so dependant on foundry builds to the point of blindness. .
100% uptime on def cap and dpdge > 15 ult 6% of the time.

Baconfat79

I'm not dependant on them. You are putting words in my mouth. My point was that nobody else uses the set, yet you claim it is BiS. You are flat-out wrong. I have 100% uptime on def caps WITHOUT Chudan, as do most other tanks. You could be using those slots to generate more ultimate, use warhorn more often, and help your party more. Instead you waste those slots because you are too lazy to keep simple buffs up. It's a selfish way to play, and it is far from optimal. Your build is fine for pledges, but you will never tank endgame content with it. Claiming it is BiS is just simply not true. Any vet trials group will laugh at you for wearing it.

WalksonGraves

I generate 300 ult a minute, wtf do I need blood spawn for?
I can tank anything in the game without breaking a sweat.

You seem to forget chudan also gives def with its primary bonus.

Baconfat79

You can meet resistance caps 100% of the time without Chudan. I'm not forgetting it's def bonus...I'm saying that it is not needed. You could have something far more useful to your group in those slots. You clearly don't want to listen to reason, so I'm just going to let this argument die. Enjoy using your "BiS" Chudan set.

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I can tank anything in the game without breaking a sweat.

This gave me a good laugh, btw. When was the last time you tanked vet trials with that setup? Never? Oh. Go figure.

WalksonGraves

Baconfat79 wrote: »

You can meet resistance caps 100% of the time without Chudan. I'm not forgetting it's def bonus...I'm saying that it is not needed. You could have something far more useful to your group in those slots. You clearly don't want to listen to reason, so I'm just going to let this argument die. Enjoy using your "BiS" Chudan set.

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I can tank anything in the game without breaking a sweat.

This gave me a good laugh, btw. When was the last time you tanked vet trials with that setup? Never? Oh. Go figure.

Lol from the guy who fails at comprehending addition. Yeah my having higher stats and more buffs clearly puts me at a disadvantage.