Woeler wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.

So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.

"We" hope? Speak for yourself.

@Woeler

Do you want the crates?

Honestly, I don't give a flying F. If they get more money to pay developers to bring me ACTUAL content, more power to them.

They have been able to pay their developers for 2 years now without these gamble boxes. They have been able to make a years worth of ACTUAL content without the need for these gamble boxes.

This argument is tired and poorly thought out.

Not actually an argument, because even if the money goes to the American Maffia or to the moon, I don't care. If the money goes to development, great, do whatever you want. If the money does not go to development, I dont care, do whatever you want.

Sooner or later we'll see these crates anyway. And if they bring them in or not, you're gonna keep playing anyway. You know that, I know that and they know that.

If you dont care. Why are you here commenting? Seems a bit odd that someone that doesnt care whatsoever seems to be so strongly opinionated and feels the need to tell everyone about it.

Nope, just pointing out not everyone is against them. And of course because I like making fun of people on high horses, there's also that.

My horse doesn't smoke weed. So there.

Osteos wrote: »

But this thread isn't about the communities feeling on crown crates, the OP wanted to know the odds were based on people testing them on the pts. Ranting about how the community feels and telling the op not to make threads on the subject was an incorrect rude response, especially from a community ambassador. Anyways the op got their answer and you guys already have an anti crown crate rant thread. Time to move along.

@Osteos @Woeler


If it came across as me telling someone not to post, I apologize for that. I never said that people should not ask for Crown Crates, just that a thread like this could make ZOS think that people want these things. And I know some do want this. I do not and I am allowed to express my opinion the same as everyone else. Anyone who reads my posts know I am fan of the game and community, but I also have my share of criticisms about the game. I want this game to be the best it can be, and that includes maximizing revenue for the developers so they can afford to develop and release the content.

While some may get a thrill out of the gambling aspect of the system, does that really have a place in a revenue model for game? Wouldn't a better revenue model be to just place the items in the Crown Store at a reasonable price and let people choose what they are going to spend their money on? Do you really want a small insignificant chance that you have to pay real money for to gain a new shiny? Wouldn't you rather know the transaction price up front, make the decision about the item with that in mind, and simply purchase it if you want to? I know I would.

I would rather engage the revenue model than be manipulated by it.

@DahliaNight

Yes, this thread has devolved into a discussion about the Crown Crates, but, I also provided the answer to your question in the first post, we don't know what the drop rates are going to be. You did get your answer that is based on the best information we have. So, that freed the thread up to further this discussion so hopefully ZOS can gauge the mood of the community regarding this controversial topic. It was going to head in this direction anyway. Its the way of the forums.

@Solus

I am a dude

DahliaNight wrote: »

@Nestor The responses I got from @Korah_Eaglecry @Osteos @Abeille and @MissBizz where the answers I was looking for.

If you don't know the answer to a question or even have any speculation why try answering that question and even go as far as to assume that you did answer that question.

That whole "I answered your question so this thread should be free to be whatever discussion" is completely wrong considering that not only did you not answer my question your first comment was already spiralling my thread off topic making it another redundant thread that I was accused of doing because people couldn't even look back and see what my original question was because they were so deep in their own discussion.

He did answer your first question though. You asked "if the mounts are already in the crates or will they be added in a later update", and he answered "There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game" before giving his opinion on the matter (which he is free to do).

DahliaNight wrote: »

If you don't know the answer to a question or even have any speculation why try answering that question and even go as far as to assume that you did answer that question.

Yes, they gave you the drop rates that were experienced in the PTS and there is an extensive thread that gathered that information in the PTS section of the boards. You could have quickly searched and found that.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/292572/crown-crate-drop-rate-research-final-results/p1

However, that does not matter as the PTS drop rates are going to change if the Crates do go to Live. That was already stated by ZOS.

So, telling you that we don't know what the drops rates are going to be is the answer. It may not be the answer you want, but it is the only answer there is. I am not sure what else I could have said as no one knows how many Crowns you will to spend on average to get the specific shiny that you want.

But, I also can't believe that you would rather have a system that gives a small chance to get what you want, vs a system that offers you something at a price and you can decide if you want to spend that much on it. The first is going to more than likely spend a lot more of your money, where the latter is going to get you what you want without the time spent dancing with RNG.

You want the Atronach Mount, I get that. Wouldn't this be the time to press for a system where you can get what you want at a known price?

Woeler wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.

So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.

"We" hope? Speak for yourself.

@Woeler

Do you want the crates?

Honestly, I don't give a flying F. If they get more money to pay developers to bring me ACTUAL content, more power to them.

Past history of other games has pretty consistently shown that the quality of a game goes down overall once these pernicious gambling boxes arrive. The money derived from them does not go into development of new content. It goes into new goodies people will be enticed to buy. They feed on themselves and get bloated while the rest of the game starves. Their arrival WILL impact you and your enjoyment of the game...even if you never buy a single one. THAT is the problem.

Woeler wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.

So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.

"We" hope? Speak for yourself.

@Woeler

Do you want the crates?

Honestly, I don't give a flying F. If they get more money to pay developers to bring me ACTUAL content, more power to them.

They have been able to pay their developers for 2 years now without these gamble boxes. They have been able to make a years worth of ACTUAL content without the need for these gamble boxes.

This argument is tired and poorly thought out.

Not actually an argument, because even if the money goes to the American Maffia or to the moon, I don't care. If the money goes to development, great, do whatever you want. If the money does not go to development, I dont care, do whatever you want.

Sooner or later we'll see these crates anyway. And if they bring them in or not, you're gonna keep playing anyway. You know that, I know that and they know that.

I'm waiting for vMA weapons, gold jewelry, upgrade materials, and alchemy reagents to be put in the crown store. Everyone just has to face reality and understand that the plan which generates the most revenue is the plan that the developers will end up going with.

What's good for the game owners is good for the players and if players don't like changes to the game, then they don't have to play the game, do they?

There is no stopping the steady march of development progress citizens!

For the eight and our yet to be born lord and savior Talos. This hate towards the boxes is just shallow and pointless. They are cosmetic only, it's not mandatory to buy, and they don't affect gameplay at all. Get over them for Jode and Jone.

You don't like the boxes? Don't buy them. If people isn't really willing to buy them and this ends up being a not profitable idea they will remove eventually. You want to express your discontentment with this implementation, great go ahead.

But don't come up with this shallow "it will end up in p2w" thing and making up BS like "I'm waiting for vMA weapons, gold jewelry, upgrade materials, and alchemy reagents to be put in the crown store." because you don't want those gamble boxes. Making up BS is even more stupid than those boxes.

This is why there is always someone trying to destroy the world.

Milvan wrote: »

For the eight and our yet to be born lord and savior Talos. This hate towards the boxes is just shallow and pointless. They are cosmetic only, it's not mandatory to buy, and they don't affect gameplay at all. Get over them for Jode and Jone.

You don't like the boxes? Don't buy them. If people isn't really willing to buy them and this ends up being a not profitable idea they will remove eventually. You want to express your discontentment with this implementation, great go ahead.

But don't come up with this shallow "it will end up in p2w" thing and making up BS like "I'm waiting for vMA weapons, gold jewelry, upgrade materials, and alchemy reagents to be put in the crown store." because you don't want those gamble boxes. Making up BS is even more stupid than those boxes.

This is why there is always someone trying to destroy the world.

Nobody cares about p2w and, even if they do, then they can go play another game if they don't like p2w. Do any of you have breakfast in the morning so you can enjoy a more productive day? Do you drive a car to work to save time? Well better item's in the crown are no different than those conveniences.

The individuals who monetize the game have a huge opportunity in selling players the materials and gear which they desire. There is no stopping the inevitable, so there is no point in trying to pretend that we wont eventually be able to buy a greater variety of items in the crown store and we will like it.

Slurg wrote: »

A year after these things launch half of us will be gone and the majority of the future F2P player base will be in favor of the crates, because "the company has to make money somehow". The people who make the decisions know this will make more money from new players. The old player base can get with the program or not, just like when the game went from subscription only to B2P - I don't think it matters to the people who decide these things.

I'm still not buying the crates - I'll spend my money on other things and see if the game is still fun or not after the new player base arrives.

You can see by many of the comments that are in favor of the boxes that the player base is already being replaced by those with no previous experience with RNG boxes and that do not even understand why we are against that (people who keep repeating the same arguments that have nothing to do with the issue, as if those arguments in any way refute the arguments against the boxes).

It's a shame, because a game like ESO could have a solid, loyal player base of actual fans of TES, but these are not the fans they want.

@Abeille That's still not answering my question. Do I need to re-hash what I asked?

Abeille wrote: »

DahliaNight wrote: »

@Nestor The responses I got from @Korah_Eaglecry @Osteos @Abeille and @MissBizz where the answers I was looking for.

If you don't know the answer to a question or even have any speculation why try answering that question and even go as far as to assume that you did answer that question.

That whole "I answered your question so this thread should be free to be whatever discussion" is completely wrong considering that not only did you not answer my question your first comment was already spiralling my thread off topic making it another redundant thread that I was accused of doing because people couldn't even look back and see what my original question was because they were so deep in their own discussion.

He did answer your first question though. You asked "if the mounts are already in the crates or will they be added in a later update", and he answered "There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game" before giving his opinion on the matter (which he is free to do).

First I wasn't asking if the crown crates were in the store I was asking if the mounts were in the crown crates to which he did not know the answer to in which case all he could've said is I don't know usually people don't try answering questions that they do not know the answer to.

Someone else has already given me the answer to this question though.

Also I never had an issue with him sharing his opinion my problem started out when he told me what I should and should not post.

@Nestor

Nestor wrote: »

DahliaNight wrote: »

If you don't know the answer to a question or even have any speculation why try answering that question and even go as far as to assume that you did answer that question.

Yes, they gave you the drop rates that were experienced in the PTS and there is an extensive thread that gathered that information in the PTS section of the boards. You could have quickly searched and found that.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/292572/crown-crate-drop-rate-research-final-results/p1

However, that does not matter as the PTS drop rates are going to change if the Crates do go to Live. That was already stated by ZOS.

So, telling you that we don't know what the drops rates are going to be is the answer. It may not be the answer you want, but it is the only answer there is. I am not sure what else I could have said as no one knows how many Crowns you will to spend on average to get the specific shiny that you want.

But, I also can't believe that you would rather have a system that gives a small chance to get what you want, vs a system that offers you something at a price and you can decide if you want to spend that much on it. The first is going to more than likely spend a lot more of your money, where the latter is going to get you what you want without the time spent dancing with RNG.

You want the Atronach Mount, I get that. Wouldn't this be the time to press for a system where you can get what you want at a known price?

As I said before I did try looking this up before I posted this I even searched on Google for an answer and all I got was people saying they don't want them and a website asking the ZOS developers opinion on the matter.

And when I searched the forums for info on crown crates they were all the same thing. So no coming from someone that did not know they were on the PTS it wasn't easy for me to search for it. I seen a picture of the mounts on a website and found out they might be crown crate exclusive then found out crown crates were suppose to be here with update 12 and figured someone might have more info or speculation on the matter than me.

DahliaNight wrote: »

@Abeille That's still not answering my question. Do I need to re-hash what I asked?

Abeille wrote: »

DahliaNight wrote: »

@Nestor The responses I got from @Korah_Eaglecry @Osteos @Abeille and @MissBizz where the answers I was looking for.

If you don't know the answer to a question or even have any speculation why try answering that question and even go as far as to assume that you did answer that question.

That whole "I answered your question so this thread should be free to be whatever discussion" is completely wrong considering that not only did you not answer my question your first comment was already spiralling my thread off topic making it another redundant thread that I was accused of doing because people couldn't even look back and see what my original question was because they were so deep in their own discussion.

He did answer your first question though. You asked "if the mounts are already in the crates or will they be added in a later update", and he answered "There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game" before giving his opinion on the matter (which he is free to do).

First I wasn't asking if the crown crates were in the store I was asking if the mounts were in the crown crates to which he did not know the answer to in which case all he could've said is I don't know usually people don't try answering questions that they do not know know the answer to.

Someone else has already given me the answer to this question though.

Also I never had an issue with him sharing his opinion my problem started out when he told me what I should and should not post.

@Nestor

Nestor wrote: »

DahliaNight wrote: »

If you don't know the answer to a question or even have any speculation why try answering that question and even go as far as to assume that you did answer that question.

Yes, they gave you the drop rates that were experienced in the PTS and there is an extensive thread that gathered that information in the PTS section of the boards. You could have quickly searched and found that.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/292572/crown-crate-drop-rate-research-final-results/p1

However, that does not matter as the PTS drop rates are going to change if the Crates do go to Live. That was already stated by ZOS.

So, telling you that we don't know what the drops rates are going to be is the answer. It may not be the answer you want, but it is the only answer there is. I am not sure what else I could have said as no one knows how many Crowns you will to spend on average to get the specific shiny that you want.

But, I also can't believe that you would rather have a system that gives a small chance to get what you want, vs a system that offers you something at a price and you can decide if you want to spend that much on it. The first is going to more than likely spend a lot more of your money, where the latter is going to get you what you want without the time spent dancing with RNG.

You want the Atronach Mount, I get that. Wouldn't this be the time to press for a system where you can get what you want at a known price?

As I said before I did try looking this up before I posted this I even searched on Google for an answer and all I got was people saying they don't want them and a website asking the ZOS developers opinion on the matter.

And when I searched the forums for info on crown crates they were all the same thing. So no coming from someone that did not know they were on the PTS it wasn't easy for me to search for it. I seen a picture of the mounts on a website and found out they might be crown crate exclusive then found out crown crates were suppose to be here with update 12 and figured someone might have more info or speculation on the matter than me.

I don't think you are being fair to him.

He didn't say you can't post this or that, he explained the consequences of you posting this, and he wasn't wrong. Posting a thread showing interest on acquiring the Crown Crates DOES give ZOS the impression that this is something the community wants.

And it really looked like you didn't know when the Crown Crates were supposed to hit live, even more now with your latest post, since you are saying that you saw that the crates "were supposed to be here with update 12", which never was the case (they were not pushed back, "later this year" had always been the closes to an ETA), it seems that you didn't know that they were not supposed to be in the store already, since update 12 is already out.

Maybe it was the way you phrased it, but it really did look like that's what you wanted to know, which would make @Nestor 's answer a correct answer (no ETA on Crown Crates). Besides, he is also right that the odds can and will be changed before the Crates are put on live. This is actually better information than what I gave to you, because my odds are only valid for that 8 days of test we got on the PTS, not for the Live servers.

Actually, purchasing any amount of Crowns based on the information that I gave you would be terribly misguided, because @Nestor is right, and the PTS odds are completely invalid. They show how bad it was then, not how bad it will be on live.

So how about you two move on? You got your answers, there are other threads about how bad this addition will be to the game in medium and long term, no need to keep bickering.

@Abeille How hard is it to understand that I wasn't asking for "I don't knows" I myself already did not know. Doesn't mean I was going to go crazy buying crowns over other people's speculation.

Whether or not I knew the crates were live is irrelevant because as I just cleared up for you it's not what I was asking I didn't even insinuate it.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.inquisitr.com/3447585/the-elder-scrolls-online-soon-to-feature-crown-crates-offering-random-items-redesigned-craglorn-with-one-tamriel-update/amp/?client=ms-android-americamovil-us

This is why I thought it was coming with update 12 aka One Tameriel but as I looked in the crown store and seen it wasn't there I assumed it would be coming later on.

Also it's best not to tell people to move on after you've added to the disagreement.

I asked people that may have some knowledge on the matter even people that are just familiar with RNG simply because drop rates can be increased.

Nickernator wrote: »

Idk why so many people want to get those mounts, I personally don't like how they look and they could only really fit for my sorcerer. But I feel bad for them since it seems that it will become a gambling mount, if you have bad luck you will have to spend a lot of money to get that mount. I would rather see them in the store for a default price.

*PS I guess it's because I only have 1 mount.. "Diamond" from the Imperial Edition, got her since 2014 and she still does the job in 2016

The most unfortunate thing about it is that it wont be a "Oh look at that cool mount that guy bought" sort of status symbol in game but a "damn, that guy really blew a lot of money for that thing" sort of deal. Anyone with some common sense is going to realize that those chasing the mounts are ***** away money for five seconds of gratification.

As much as I hate Gamble Boxes at least in Star Trek Online when you gamble for a Ship youre gambling for a character. The Ship is your character in space and its not some novelty mount that is only out when youre travelling about. The Ship is what you fight and play the game with.

DahliaNight wrote: »

@Abeille How hard is it to understand that I wasn't asking for "I don't knows" I myself already did not know. Doesn't mean I was going to go crazy buying crowns over other people's speculation.

Whether or not I knew the crates were live is irrelevant because as I just cleared up for you it's not what I was asking I didn't even insinuate it.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.inquisitr.com/3447585/the-elder-scrolls-online-soon-to-feature-crown-crates-offering-random-items-redesigned-craglorn-with-one-tamriel-update/amp/?client=ms-android-americamovil-us

This is why I thought it was coming with update 12 aka One Tameriel but as I looked in the crown store and seen it wasn't there I assumed it would be coming later on.

Also it's best not to tell people to move on after you've added to the disagreement.

I asked people that may have some knowledge on the matter even people that are just familiar with RNG simply because drop rates can be increased.

It isn't hard to understand that you don't want that kind of answer, although it is the only right answer, that's your prerogative. It is hard to understand why you are being so combative about it.

I'm sorry you don't like the answer, but it is still the answer. Jumping on people for providing it does nothing to change that.

You don't have to explain why you thought it was coming with update 12, it is not your fault that the source turned out to be incorrect. But since the source was wrong, it stands to reason that other people would point it out to you and give you the information we have - which, right now, is much closer to "I don't knows" than to anything else.

I'm asking you two to move on from the bickering, not from the actual discussion. There is no need to act like this just because you don't like his answer. How was he supposed to know that you didn't want the actual answer? But if you want to keep bickering, then be my guest. It's not really my problem, and I wouldn't have jumped in if you didn't take my statistics as if it was a meaningful answer. I would feel like it was my fault if you were misguided by PTS statistics instead of listening to @Nestor .

@Abeille I never said there was a right answer I was looking for speculations someone to basically guesstimate so no for this particular question "I don't know" wasn't the best answer it wasn't a wrong answer but it wasn't the best and he most certainly didn't answer my question.

Also I did not "jump" on him I told him I wasn't looking for someone to tell me what I should and should not post. And yet in the end I got accused twice of making a redundant thread oh and also apparently jumping on someone. So yeah to be honest at this moment I am a bit annoyed.

Your comment wasn't taken to heart or anywhere near a fact but it was one of the few that actually had something to do with what I had asked. There were no right answers unless someone somehow knew the facts so the people that speculated and gave statistics were the closest thing to the right answer. This is what I'm saying you're not understanding.

I am actually done replying to you because I've cleared up as much as I could and I feel like you're going to continue this disagreement but I really have nothing more to say on subject.