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bellanca6561n✭✭✭✭✭
✭The issue of mystery boxes, or crown crates or whatever name is given to these sorts of predatory products is not the issue posed here, as much as many of us, including myself, would like it to be.
Best, the most elegant, and subtle case against them - while also answering the OP's question - were provided by the odds makers
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.
So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.
"We" hope? Speak for yourself.
We speaks for a lot of "us" who've adamantly expressed our own desires not to have crown crates in the game.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DahliaNight wrote: »@Nestor, Regardless of my thread crown crates are going to be a reality whether or not people like it. I was trying to ask a question not have someone tell me what I should and should not post.
"And, threads like this might give them the impression that people might want to deal with these things."
If you're curious as to what I was talking about.
To everyone else thanks for the info, hearing that the drop rate is probably in the $250 makes me dissapointed but hopefully once it comes live the drop rate is increased.
He discouraged you from encouraging ZOS to do a Very Bad Thing, and I consider that perfectly reasonable.Edited by MasterSpatula on October 25, 2016 7:29PM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle13 -
Diabolus1989✭✭✭I am one of the "we" too. My last RNG experience was with Mass Effect 3, which I still play today AND still have not unlocked what I want. But at least I was only spending in-game currency.
The Crown Crates don't even give you that option. I know there are gems, but you still need to spend real cash in order to receive a pitiful amount of them.
I think it would be better if you could spend in-game gold on gems - even with a ridiculous exchange rate, like 2,000 gold for a single gem. It's a lot of gold but at least the players who have invested a lot of time into the game would finally be able to do something with their masses of gold.
This is essentially gambling. Players will bet their real cash on the 'chance' to receive something decent in return.
I was never a massive fan of the crown store in the first place but at least you have the guarantee that your real cash will go toward an item you definitely want.
ZOS have gone from 'Gives us real money and we'll give you want you want' to 'Gives us more real money and we 'might' give you what you want (but most likely not)'.4 -
DahliaNight✭✭✭@MasterSpatula No ones opinion discouraged me from anything. I asked about the crown crates and he jumped to the conclusion that I supported the idea.
His opinion changed about as much as the polls changed Zos plan. It still won't change the fact that I asked my question and will continue asking questions about crown crates in the future If I need to.1 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.
So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.
"We" hope? Speak for yourself.
@Woeler
Do you want the crates?
Honestly, I don't give a flying F. If they get more money to pay developers to bring me ACTUAL content, more power to them.
They have been able to pay their developers for 2 years now without these gamble boxes. They have been able to make a years worth of ACTUAL content without the need for these gamble boxes.
This argument is tired and poorly thought out.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax7 -
Kendaric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Honestly, I don't give a flying F. If they get more money to pay developers to bring me ACTUAL content, more power to them.
It won't go into actual content development, the majority of the money will go into further stuff for the scam crates. It's likely we'll see a true f2p transition in the near future.11 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Diabolus1989 wrote: »ZOS have gone from 'Gives us real money and we'll give you want you want' to 'Gives us more real money and we 'might' give you what you want (but most likely not)'.
Kind of like the same way they went from saying 'a DLC every quarter' to 'an update every quarter, not necessarily a paid DLC.'
I half-expect them next year to put up a sales thermometer showing how close we are to having Vvardenfell finished. Hey, it worked for Mattel. Sometimes.signing off2 -
Woeler✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.
So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.
"We" hope? Speak for yourself.
@Woeler
Do you want the crates?
Honestly, I don't give a flying F. If they get more money to pay developers to bring me ACTUAL content, more power to them.
They have been able to pay their developers for 2 years now without these gamble boxes. They have been able to make a years worth of ACTUAL content without the need for these gamble boxes.
This argument is tired and poorly thought out.
Not actually an argument, because even if the money goes to the American Maffia or to the moon, I don't care. If the money goes to development, great, do whatever you want. If the money does not go to development, I dont care, do whatever you want.
Sooner or later we'll see these crates anyway. And if they bring them in or not, you're gonna keep playing anyway. You know that, I know that and they know that.Edited by Woeler on October 25, 2016 9:00PM2 -
clocksstoppe✭✭✭✭✭
✭There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.
So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.
"We" hope? Speak for yourself.
Speak for yourself as well, bub. His "we" is much larger than yours and you know it.12 -
Mandragora✭✭✭✭I think they need to have stable revenue, possible to count, which are more likely subs+what they could sell directly. I'm not sure you can count income of gambling, so I would say also that it will go directly to their management pockets - as a surplus income.
If the game couldn't sell themself, they would close it. That is the reason why I still believe, that you can have profitable market goods and financing the game that way, but the same way as gamblers are tempted by gambling, I think this is the temptation of surplus income for management.
I know that FtP games does work on the same princliple, but I think that is not the case of ESO.
I'm not an expert, but that is my guess.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
Loralai_907✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you want to spend money on a chance to get something, have at it. Before I would personally spend my money on them, I would pull the cash out of my wallet and literally light it on fire. Better result from that option.PC-NA - formerly, mommadani907Guild: Weeping Angels - Co-GMTwitter: @ Loralai_907 several Alt accounts....CP 1700+Active characters:Fauna Rosewood ( Bosmer Stam DK - Master Crafter/AD)///Loralai Darknova (Drunken Zombie Bosmer Stam Sorc - PvP/AD)Lilith Darknova ( Dunmer Mag DK - Master Crafter - PvP/AD)///and roughly 1billion alts3 -
KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The idea that you could spend 200$ and not even get to choose which mount you want...
ZOS is defecating in your mouth and calling it dinner.
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✭I want to say the chances were really poor and more towards $250. There are a few threads in the pts section that break it down. But as @Nestor said the drop rates may be different on live.
I've spent $200 on crowns in preparation for this. This is something I want, I don't see why everyone should feel entitled to buy the same things for a cheap price.
There is already a lack of rarity in content; everyone can make gold 160 gear, anyone can farm set pieces and everyone can participate in the weekly content to get a few trial pieces.
What I haven't seen are RARE items in the game. Elderscrolls games have always centered themselves around collecting; and for me this is an opportunity to enjoy myself and have a little excitement opening crates.
I literally get the same adrenaline from opening crates as I do VD bombing an entire raid and getting 20k TV...
Says the guy who spent 200 in anticipation, your exactly who they are hoping for but even you and your considerable wallet are in what is polling as the cast minority.
If they made atro mounts an ultra rare collectible that took hours to grind out in game I wouldn't care making it so those prepared to shell out hundreds to thousands in real cash to feel special in game I don't agree with.
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Solus✭✭✭✭There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.
So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.
"We" hope? Speak for yourself.
As he (she?) is the community ambassador, I fully relinquish my right to free speech pertaining to this matter and allow him (her?) to speak on my behalf. The term "we" would refer to about 80% of the population who participated in the poll where a vast majority of people were against the implementation of these crown "RNG" crates.
I mean read most of our signatures. We took the time to add PAWS to our sig. for a reason.
WE agree, crown crates is a TERRIBLE idea.
Edited by Solus on October 25, 2016 11:25PMThe-Pumpkin-King // Stamblade
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.
So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.
"We" hope? Speak for yourself.
@Woeler
Do you want the crates?
Honestly, I don't give a flying F. If they get more money to pay developers to bring me ACTUAL content, more power to them.
.........
Not actually an argument, because even if the money goes to the American Maffia or to the moon, I don't care. If the money goes to development, great, do whatever you want. If the money does not go to development, I dont care, do whatever you want.
Sooner or later we'll see these crates anyway. And if they bring them in or not, you're gonna keep playing anyway. You know that, I know that and they know that.
@Woeler Two things I think you should know:
1) ZOS already has lots of content ready for you. It is being held off because of these Crown-oriented items/features, not sped up. Take a look at poor old Spellcrafting
ZOS already has Vvardenfell, Murkmire, Clockwork City, and Mephala's Realm in development, alongside many other new features such as Spellcrafting, player housing, and much more. This is only the info we know as well.
As for the progress made on all of this (based on tons of datamining & educated/painfully obvious observation).... Murkmire has been finished since 2015 but was recently updated to remove the forced-grouping witnessed in Craglorn. Clockwork City and Mephala's Realm are near-finished, and Vvardenfell is still being developed but may also be near-finished.
Player Housing is finished and releasing next major patch, while Spellcrafting has been finished for years but is on the backburner atm thanks to loads of fresh balance issues and the new emphasis on Crown-paid items/features.
2) These Crown Crates only serve to exploit players who tons of money or those with gambling issues, along with those unintelligent few who think they will get what they want in a few attempts. These Crates have actually done the opposite of what you want. More emphasis will be placed in this new feature which will not grant you new content. Your new content will be held off in favor of Crown schemes like this one. Devs get more $$$ for much less effort, whereas DLCs are now only released to keep players interested.
Crown Crates also make a huge amount of people angry and cast a VERY negative shadow onto everything ESO is. I know many players who aren't as invested as I am (or you are) into ESO that would be fine with leaving the game should it go down that route.
If your whole argument is that these Crates will indirectly bring you more content or group dungeons/trials, I highly advise you to rethink that. It won't in the slightest.Edited by Vaoh on October 25, 2016 11:26PM13 -
Osteos✭✭✭✭✭
✭There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.
So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.
"We" hope? Speak for yourself.
As he (she?) is the community ambassador, I fully relinquish my right to free speech pertaining to this matter and allow him (her?) to speak on my behalf. The term "we" would refer to about 80% of the population who participated in the poll where a vast majority of people were against the implementation of these crown "RNG" crates.
I mean read most of our signatures. We took the time to add PAWS to our sig. for a reason.
WE agree, crown crates is a TERRIBLE idea.
But this thread isn't about the communities feeling on crown crates, the OP wanted to know the odds were based on people testing them on the pts. Ranting about how the community feels and telling the op not to make threads on the subject was an incorrect rude response, especially from a community ambassador. Anyways the op got their answer and you guys already have an anti crown crate rant thread. Time to move along.DAGGERFALL COVENANTNA PCFormer Vehemence MemberOnistka Valerius <> Artemis Renault <> Gonk gra-Ugrash <> Karietta <> Zercon at-Rusa <> Genevieve Renault <> Ktaka <> Brenlyn Renault1 -
Solus✭✭✭✭There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.
So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.
"We" hope? Speak for yourself.
As he (she?) is the community ambassador, I fully relinquish my right to free speech pertaining to this matter and allow him (her?) to speak on my behalf. The term "we" would refer to about 80% of the population who participated in the poll where a vast majority of people were against the implementation of these crown "RNG" crates.
I mean read most of our signatures. We took the time to add PAWS to our sig. for a reason.
WE agree, crown crates is a TERRIBLE idea.
But this thread isn't about the communities feeling on crown crates, the OP wanted to know the odds were based on people testing them on the pts. Ranting about how the community feels and telling the op not to make threads on the subject was an incorrect rude response, especially from a community ambassador. Anyways the op got their answer and you guys already have an anti crown crate rant thread. Time to move along.
To counter this, since it has already been discussed, this thread is considered spam as op could have used the search bar to find old threads pertaining to this topic. The community ambassador felt it necessary to add, along with the answer to the OP's question, that inquiring about the crown crates in this manner would make the moderators report to the development board that people are wanting crown crates, which is definitely not the case, as the vast majority of us are completely against this. For a new person looking into this, not knowing anything about it (assuming that is the case), its good to keep them informed. People on the PTS get 5,500 crowns a day to test this feature, where one even stated:
"I do not get anything even worth 400 crowns, just a bunch of potions, and things I would never use."
This is, again, coming from someone that is testing this feature.The-Pumpkin-King // Stamblade
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JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.
So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.
"We" hope? Speak for yourself.
@Woeler
Do you want the crates?
Honestly, I don't give a flying F. If they get more money to pay developers to bring me ACTUAL content, more power to them.
.........
Not actually an argument, because even if the money goes to the American Maffia or to the moon, I don't care. If the money goes to development, great, do whatever you want. If the money does not go to development, I dont care, do whatever you want.
Sooner or later we'll see these crates anyway. And if they bring them in or not, you're gonna keep playing anyway. You know that, I know that and they know that.
@Woeler Two things I think you should know:
1) ZOS already has lots of content ready for you. It is being held off because of these Crown-oriented items/features, not sped up. Take a look at poor old Spellcrafting
ZOS already has Vvardenfell, Murkmire, Clockwork City, and Mephala's Realm in development, alongside many other new features such as Spellcrafting, player housing, and much more. This is only the info we know as well.
As for the progress made on all of this (based on tons of datamining & educated/painfully obvious observation).... Murkmire has been finished since 2015 but was recently updated to remove the forced-grouping witnessed in Craglorn. Clockwork City and Mephala's Realm are near-finished, and Vvardenfell is still being developed but may also be near-finished.
Player Housing is finished and releasing next major patch, while Spellcrafting has been finished for years but is on the backburner atm thanks to loads of fresh balance issues and the new emphasis on Crown-paid items/features.
2) These Crown Crates only serve to exploit players who tons of money or those with gambling issues, along with those unintelligent few who think they will get what they want in a few attempts. These Crates have actually done the opposite of what you want. More emphasis will be placed in this new feature which will not grant you new content. Your new content will be held off in favor of Crown schemes like this one. Devs get more $$$ for much less effort, whereas DLCs are now only released to keep players interested.
Crown Crates also make a huge amount of people angry and cast a VERY negative shadow onto everything ESO is. I know many players who aren't as invested as I am (or you are) into ESO that would be fine with leaving the game should it go down that route.
If your whole argument is that these Crates will indirectly bring you more content or group dungeons/trials, I highly advise you to rethink that. It won't in the slightest.
My experience from every game that has implemented this after release. As for invested players leaving, except for 2 months when my computer died I have played nearly daily since may 2014. I am going to just play Skyrim on PS4 unless by some miracle they come to their senses.
If this game released with these I wouldn't care because I never would have started playing to begin with. Adding this 2.5 years later, we have a right to be pissed.7 -
DahliaNight✭✭✭@Solas No actually I did and they were all rants about how they shouldn't implement the feature which isn't what this is about.
If you felt that my thread was redundant then you could've just moved along. No instead you decided to add an irrelevant opinion that had nothing to do with my question and thus succeeded in making it a redundant thread.
Thank you and goodbye.0 -
Lukums1✭✭✭✭Im ready to dump $300.00 on crown crates lego. Mounty mount time.PS4 Yellow Scum Dominion
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Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.
So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.
"We" hope? Speak for yourself.
@Woeler
Do you want the crates?
Honestly, I don't give a flying F. If they get more money to pay developers to bring me ACTUAL content, more power to them.
They have been able to pay their developers for 2 years now without these gamble boxes. They have been able to make a years worth of ACTUAL content without the need for these gamble boxes.
This argument is tired and poorly thought out.
Not actually an argument, because even if the money goes to the American Maffia or to the moon, I don't care. If the money goes to development, great, do whatever you want. If the money does not go to development, I dont care, do whatever you want.
Sooner or later we'll see these crates anyway. And if they bring them in or not, you're gonna keep playing anyway. You know that, I know that and they know that.
If you dont care. Why are you here commenting? Seems a bit odd that someone that doesnt care whatsoever seems to be so strongly opinionated and feels the need to tell everyone about it.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax6 -
Sadly polls on forums only reach those on the forums which is a small portion of the player base, secondly not all of those on the forums even see the polls, next you have to factor in only those that care about the subject matter to some degree are going to even click the thread and read it, after that you have to factor in that of those not all are going to vote or voice their opinion. What you are left with is a sample size to small for anyone to really take seriously, you also do not have a good sampling of the various types of consumers that you need. It's a nice thought that most people agree with you, but the reality is that only those that are similar enough to you to join the forums, on it enough to see a specific poll, feel strongly enough about the subject matter to enter, read, and reply/vote seem to agree with you. It's like walking into a hunting lodge and surveying the group about guns being good or bad.
With that aside, even if your polls did have the correct sampling size and variety it wouldn't matter. Other games with similar business models have found great financial success in this type of addition. Also something you must understand is whether you realize it or not they have been conducting they're own "survey" on the reception of these "Gambling Boxes". Surveys are not always reliable anyways and why they are not utilized any where near as much as they were. Alternative assessments are being used instead of the traditional survey. Industry/Institutional data is being used more, data collected through other means rather than a survey is being given more weight because it is more honest to begin with. They have likely already implemented things to test the waters that have shown positive results.
In any case, the long and short of it is this.... "Gambling Boxes" have already shown to be highly profitable and regardless of a few people on the forums complaining most seem to accept them with little to no issue.
I personally am looking forward to them. ESO gives me store credit simply for being a subscriber, there is not much on the store I have an overt desire to buy so these would help there and add a little excitement in my purchasing.2 -
probablyafk✭✭✭This biggest problem with Crown Crates and buying them to get an Apex Mount is not how many crates you need to buy to have a good shot at getting the mount - it's that all the other stuff in the crates is really boring.
You're essentially going to have a whole bunch of mostly useless junk at the end of this. If there was enough stuff in here to make them worth while that'd be one thing ... but potions and poisons? Consumables are a waste of money.
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gard✭✭✭✭✭There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.
So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.
"We" hope? Speak for yourself.
Yeah, he and I. Technically "we".
If he said "we all" then you might have a legitimate complaint.3 -
Solus✭✭✭✭GrayGhost79 wrote: »Sadly polls on forums only reach those on the forums which is a small portion of the player base, secondly not all of those on the forums even see the polls, next you have to factor in only those that care about the subject matter to some degree are going to even click the thread and read it, after that you have to factor in that of those not all are going to vote or voice their opinion. What you are left with is a sample size to small for anyone to really take seriously, you also do not have a good sampling of the various types of consumers that you need. It's a nice thought that most people agree with you, but the reality is that only those that are similar enough to you to join the forums, on it enough to see a specific poll, feel strongly enough about the subject matter to enter, read, and reply/vote seem to agree with you. It's like walking into a hunting lodge and surveying the group about guns being good or bad.
With that aside, even if your polls did have the correct sampling size and variety it wouldn't matter. Other games with similar business models have found great financial success in this type of addition. Also something you must understand is whether you realize it or not they have been conducting they're own "survey" on the reception of these "Gambling Boxes". Surveys are not always reliable anyways and why they are not utilized any where near as much as they were. Alternative assessments are being used instead of the traditional survey. Industry/Institutional data is being used more, data collected through other means rather than a survey is being given more weight because it is more honest to begin with. They have likely already implemented things to test the waters that have shown positive results.
In any case, the long and short of it is this.... "Gambling Boxes" have already shown to be highly profitable and regardless of a few people on the forums complaining most seem to accept them with little to no issue.
I personally am looking forward to them. ESO gives me store credit simply for being a subscriber, there is not much on the store I have an overt desire to buy so these would help there and add a little excitement in my purchasing.
I see your point, however the people that even join the forums, are people that care enough about the direction of the game to voice an opinion on the matter.
I made an account with the forums mostly so i can see what the patch notes were, and help others who were having an issue with something. The demographic you are describing would be the average consumer. Someone who plays occasionally, among other things. They did make a post asking us for feedback, whether or not that was because they actually care or they are just seeing how many of us squirm is up to your interpretation but in my mind, by them asking us, the customer base to give them feedback on a decision kind of counters your argument entirely. Any time someone brings crown crates up, someone links the post where the poll is being held. So it is an ongoing thing, this isnt something that has ended and passed.
Furthermore, its more of the principal, that ZOS said things like this wouldnt be implemented on day one, and the slow shift to P2W is where most of the anti-crate advocates are making their points. The fact that SOMEONE who is a fan took time out of their day to even make a poll (which its not a yes/no poll either, there are many choices in this poll) and there are over 500 total votes, 380ish of which are COMPLETELY against crown crates. Only 24 are wanting these implemented. Sure, 500 people voting on this is a small amount of the player base, but its still something that they look at. They could have implemented them this patch, why didn't they? If you take the above statistics, it is clear that even on a larger scale, the numbers would be somewhat similar. The variable would be how they spin crown crates, how well the marketing is on the survey, bottom line people that care about the integrity of the game would be completely against this.Edited by Solus on October 26, 2016 3:14AMThe-Pumpkin-King // Stamblade
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Kova✭✭✭✭✭I think what gets people flustered the most in forums is, regardless of trolling or genuine arguments, everyone imagines the opposing poster writing their response with some self-satisfying grin and scoffing "Checkmate" as they hit the post button.
Well, crates bad.
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Solus✭✭✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »There are no Crown Crates in the live game. There is no eta for Crown Crates in the live game. We hope they do not add the Crown Crates to the Live Game.
So, we don't know and the only way to test them is on the PTS, and no way to know if those drop rates are what we would expect if they ever make it to Live.
"We" hope? Speak for yourself.
Speak for yourself as well, bub. His "we" is much larger than yours and you know it.
Lol could be her "we"
That sounds bad...
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GrayGhost79 wrote: »Sadly polls on forums only reach those on the forums which is a small portion of the player base, secondly not all of those on the forums even see the polls, next you have to factor in only those that care about the subject matter to some degree are going to even click the thread and read it, after that you have to factor in that of those not all are going to vote or voice their opinion. What you are left with is a sample size to small for anyone to really take seriously, you also do not have a good sampling of the various types of consumers that you need. It's a nice thought that most people agree with you, but the reality is that only those that are similar enough to you to join the forums, on it enough to see a specific poll, feel strongly enough about the subject matter to enter, read, and reply/vote seem to agree with you. It's like walking into a hunting lodge and surveying the group about guns being good or bad.
With that aside, even if your polls did have the correct sampling size and variety it wouldn't matter. Other games with similar business models have found great financial success in this type of addition. Also something you must understand is whether you realize it or not they have been conducting they're own "survey" on the reception of these "Gambling Boxes". Surveys are not always reliable anyways and why they are not utilized any where near as much as they were. Alternative assessments are being used instead of the traditional survey. Industry/Institutional data is being used more, data collected through other means rather than a survey is being given more weight because it is more honest to begin with. They have likely already implemented things to test the waters that have shown positive results.
In any case, the long and short of it is this.... "Gambling Boxes" have already shown to be highly profitable and regardless of a few people on the forums complaining most seem to accept them with little to no issue.
I personally am looking forward to them. ESO gives me store credit simply for being a subscriber, there is not much on the store I have an overt desire to buy so these would help there and add a little excitement in my purchasing.
I see your point, however the people that even join the forums, are people that care enough about the direction of the game to voice an opinion on the matter.
I made an account with the forums mostly so i can see what the patch notes were, and help others who were having an issue with something. The demographic you are describing would be the average consumer. Someone who plays occasionally, among other things. They did make a post asking us for feedback, whether or not that was because they actually care or they are just seeing how many of us squirm is up to your interpretation but in my mind, by them asking us, the customer base to give them feedback on a decision kind of counters your argument entirely. Any time someone brings crown crates up, someone links the post where the poll is being held. So it is an ongoing thing, this isnt something that has ended and passed.
Furthermore, its more of the principal, that ZOS said things like this wouldnt be implemented on day one, and the slow shift to P2W is where most of the anti-crate advocates are making their points. The fact that SOMEONE who is a fan took time out of their day to even make a poll (which its not a yes/no poll either, there are many choices in this poll) and there are over 500 total votes, 380ish of which are COMPLETELY against crown crates. Only 24 are wanting these implemented. Sure, 500 people voting on this is a small amount of the player base, but its still something that they look at. They could have implemented them this patch, why didn't they? If you take the above statistics, it is clear that even on a larger scale, the numbers would be somewhat similar. The variable would be how they spin crown crates, how well the marketing is on the survey, bottom line people that care about the integrity of the game would be completely against this.
I'm just pointing out how things have changed and explaining that surveys are not the be all end all they used to be. Now days they aren't given much weight for numerous reasons. In any case, regardless of the poll they spent the money to have the coding, modeling, and animations done for the Crown Crates and the items inside. It's kind of a pointless debate at this point, it was stated the surveys/polls showed most disliked the idea, they are going through with it anyways like every other company has, I explained why, I expressed my feelings on the matter, so.... C'est la vie0
