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This shouldn't be possible.
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FleetwoodSmack✭✭✭✭✭
✭sirrmattus wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »sirrmattus wrote: »@Judas Helviaryn
im in the na server, we can duel anytime you want. See if ur all talk or actually have some skill
Oh sure, as soon as I tell you my ping doesn't go under 700, you want to have a slapfight to prove who's right.
Listen buddy, I could have gone the "lel git gud l2p gg no re" route, and left it at that.
I didn't.
Instead, I've been trying to show you that it is possible to beat these builds, it just takes solid building of your own, as well as practice against these individual builds, exclusively.
Am I going to teach you how? No. Otherwise you'll just be relying on people to build and practice for you.
Take it or leave it, if I see you ingame, I'll happily duel you. But it'll be for practice, not pride.
You contradicting yourself and showing us all. first you say you have no problem with the strongest meta builds in the game with your satellite 700ping service, then you say you cant duel because your satellite 700ping service and it would be an injustice to you.
Not only that but you keep saying how you are trying to help by providing no help. Yes of course these guys can be beaten, ive beaten plenty of them, thats not the issue, the issue is that these sets do not have a place in open world pvp or dueling for that matter. These sets are meant for PVE DD and should stay that way.
Funny, didn't you say in a previous post that these proc builds that "kill you instantly" were impossible to beat?
And yet you've beaten them with such regularity, you say.
What's the problem?
no, i said you can not counter RNG proc sets. there is a paper trail buddy, dont make it up
If you can't counter them, how is it possible to beat them? I'm not quoting verbatim because I'm on my phone.
i dont understand what you dont understand
Clearly a L2R issue on your part.Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!2 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
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Proc users are people too! Stop making them feel bad for being bad without their crutch.Edited by Minalan on October 25, 2016 6:30PM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DannyLV702 wrote: »Least they could do is give sorcs back our shield length and streak back...
Unnerfing some of these things would balance some of the issues . I wanted them to unnerf funnel health because in the current meta it would not be like it once was in PvP . Shield duration is another I agree with too .1 -
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✭They really need to make where you can only be effected by one proc suit at a time or make it to where you can only wear one proc suit at a time, all this garbage cheese builds with one suit proc another suit that's about all the skill there is these days, 90% proc armor 10 % skill and most of that is used to run around rocks for line of site, to the point every time I see it Benny Hill music goes off in my head..LOL4 -
Hurika✭✭✭✭So you've shown 1/2 the story which is the damage they did to kill. Can you share the other 1/2? How much do you have in health? Drink or food? What's your phy resist? What's your crit resist? Do you run radiant magelight? What's your CP? What do you do to NOT die?
I don't run proc sets so no vested interested in either side side of the arguement. I want to know if you've taken any steps yourself to stay alive or haven't. Have you done anything (and if so, what) or just want it done for you via nerfs? Not insulting - but need to know more of the whole story.
I see lots of people survive hits from proc people though they apparently did what it takes to beat those specs. Or outplayed them.0 -
Number_51✭✭✭✭✭kevlarto_ESO wrote: »They really need to make where you can only be effected by one proc suit at a time or make it to where you can only wear one proc suit at a time, all this garbage cheese builds with one suit proc another suit that's about all the skill there is these days, 90% proc armor 10 % skill and most of that is used to run around rocks for line of site, to the point every time I see it Benny Hill music goes off in my head..LOL
Have an Awesome... and a eightdamnyoutooblivion... now I won't be able to not hear Benny Hill music as I watch the conga-line circle the tree.Edited by Number_51 on October 25, 2016 6:48PM1 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So you've shown 1/2 the story which is the damage they did to kill. Can you share the other 1/2? How much do you have in health? Drink or food? What's your phy resist? What's your crit resist? Do you run radiant magelight? What's your CP? What do you do to NOT die?
I don't run proc sets so no vested interested in either side side of the arguement. I want to know if you've taken any steps yourself to stay alive or haven't. Have you done anything (and if so, what) or just want it done for you via nerfs? Not insulting - but need to know more of the whole story.
I see lots of people survive hits from proc people though they apparently did what it takes to beat those specs. Or outplayed them.
I would ask a proc set user (NOT YOU!) the same thing.
Have you done anything this patch other than slot two or three ridiculous overpowered sets? Did your build require any real thought?
Does your play style require any strategy other than hitting one or two buttons?
Do you think it's balanced that your light attack can proc 15K in damage with one button and zero effort?
Does your sudden new found ability depend on anything but a couple of broken gear sets? Do you even need food, drinks, or build changes when few ever survive your opener?
You can outplay terrible players using this, but anyone with a clue is going to roll you with it. It needs a nerf.Edited by Minalan on October 25, 2016 6:48PM4 -
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✭Is this an appropriate moment to say..
nerf sorcs ?
[quietly exits]Anything that can be exploited will be exploited1 -
Solus✭✭✭✭13,428 free damage from proc sets. Seems legit. The good news is that Nightblades get bonus damage from their procs because minor berserk amps its damage quite significantly. I love this game so much, and pvp is a lot of fun.
To add to this the proc sets can crit too. I know from personal experience. I thought for a second this was my doing haha xD
My setup exactly. But the only people i destroyed last night were also running tremorscale/viper so i was going to call you out.. but then i saw the EP in your signature (OP)Edited by Solus on October 25, 2016 7:21PMThe-Pumpkin-King // Stamblade
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SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
✭OP can't expect to setup as a glass cannon and not being one shot from stealth on this meta, got to be better prepared.. that said, I'm not a fan of all these proc sets, (particularly tremorscale, but that's mainly cause of the high and long lasting snare) tho I'm not enraged about it like most around here and it certeintly doesn't bother me as much as the previous meta of unkillable tanks. And I'm a mag sorc btw.Edited by SanTii.92 on October 25, 2016 7:31PMWhen the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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✭✭✭People still pvp in ESO?PC EU ADMaster Crafter - Anything you need!!High Elf Magicka Templar Healer/DPS/TankTrials / Dungeons / PVP / Everything3 -
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Yep, there will always be someone who comes on and tells the OP they're wrong or need to L2P just to be an *sshole;WalksonGraves wrote: »So many *** in the forum. Always someone with the "l2p nub" attitude who will say you're wrong and give you nothing to back up their point.
no matter how sensible a point they make about an issue that is pretty clear cut to 99% of the player base .0 -
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✭✭✭✭OP can't expect to setup as a glass cannon and not being one shot from stealth on this meta, got to be better prepared.. that said, I'm not a fan of all these proc sets, (particularly tremorscale, but that's mainly cause of the high and long lasting snare) tho I'm not enraged about it like most around here and it certeintly doesn't bother me as much as the previous meta of unkillable tanks. And I'm a mag sorc btw.
I can see the whole 'glass cannon' thing, and understand the theory there. But magicka Sorc specs are more like 'paper popguns'. There isn't nearly enough damage in non-stam non-proc setup to justify dying in one shot.0 -
Tyvarra✭✭✭Common ZOS explain to us what you where thinking. EXPLAIN WTF is going on atm with this stupid changes...
Srsly you never comment on anything. The community wants answers, so answer pls (FFS!). TyPlease fix the game!0 -
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✭OP can't expect to setup as a glass cannon and not being one shot from stealth on this meta, got to be better prepared.. that said, I'm not a fan of all these proc sets, (particularly tremorscale, but that's mainly cause of the high and long lasting snare) tho I'm not enraged about it like most around here and it certeintly doesn't bother me as much as the previous meta of unkillable tanks. And I'm a mag sorc btw.
I can see the whole 'glass cannon' thing, and understand the theory there. But magicka Sorc specs are more like 'paper popguns'. There isn't nearly enough damage in non-stam non-proc setup to justify dying in one shot.
Defensive rune and impen are enough to survive even the deadliest of openings.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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✭✭outplayedskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
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- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
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✭OP can't expect to setup as a glass cannon and not being one shot from stealth on this meta, got to be better prepared.. that said, I'm not a fan of all these proc sets, (particularly tremorscale, but that's mainly cause of the high and long lasting snare) tho I'm not enraged about it like most around here and it certeintly doesn't bother me as much as the previous meta of unkillable tanks. And I'm a mag sorc btw.
I can see the whole 'glass cannon' thing, and understand the theory there. But magicka Sorc specs are more like 'paper popguns'. There isn't nearly enough damage in non-stam non-proc setup to justify dying in one shot.
Defensive rune and impen are enough to survive even the deadliest of openings.
Unless you are sneak behind on melee range and get blown up by a fully charged heavy + incap with veli and viper proc. But if that's the case you jsut got outplayed..When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
Arg | Pc Na | Factionless Mag Warden.0 -
AtmaDarkwolf✭✭✭all proc effects need to bring them in line, is the same thing we already have for skills. A 1 second cool-down on ANY proc(A global 'item effect' cool-down) by which no 2 item effects can happen at same time, each having their own independent cool-downs, but no 2 effects can trigger in the same second.
This would mean, at the lest, it would take 3-4 seconds for 3 separate effects to trigger, giving ample time to 'react' and at least know what one is doing. (Would also bring a little skill back to pvp)0 -
Fatalyis✭✭✭✭ZoS won't explain any of it because they don't give a [snip]. They buff Stamina to profit from Race Change....then they'll buff Magicka to do it again. It's a shady business tactic that most of you fools are all to willing to throw money at.
Don't expect it to change anytime soon...0 -
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✭I love how people try to defend proc sets in this thread and say their counters so its not broken.When the only reliable counter is a tank .What's even worst is that these guys aren't glass cannons because their as tanky as a tank and do just as much damage as a DD.Their no reason not to ask a additional cool down to process sets it won't affect PVE and would fix PVP.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭And I still catch myself wondering why campaigns are empty af now even now well after One Tamriel released....
For the first time ever I don't have an issue with ZOS fixing Cyrodiil lag anymore. They simply found another solution and decided to implement it.
One Tamriel has finally allowed for the removal of legit PvP in Cyrodiil and even spread the lag to PvE Trials.
Cyrodiil itself is empty af and full of groups of cancerous no-skill players who all want to prove they're better than the next group of cancerous no-skill players. All of the truly skilled players have pretty much quit PvP because these days you can have great players get killed by terrible players who have access to OP Heavy Armor/Proc sets.... these are the same weaklings they used to 1vX because skill was once the most prevalent factor in a fight. Now 2v1 can become near impossible against correctly setup Heavy Armor builds. Stalemates in Duels are also happening constantly now.
Can PvP be saved? Absolutely 100% yes it can! Hopefully Q1 2017 (Player Housing/Balancing) actually does this like ZOS says it will.
Can PvP win back the players it has lost since Dark Brotherhood (Stamina becoming over the top) or the many players quitting since One Tamriel (numerous PvP rage quits by new players getting oneshotted all the time fromViper/Velidreth/Tremorscale/Widowmaker)? Doubt it..... Back at console launch many players quit due to PC transfers killing them. One Tamriel's PvP is significantly worse. I wouldn't want to continue playing a game where I was literally a walking orb of 20Ult for any decent player.
Idk..... I'm just another disappointmented player at this point. PvE is really great atm but PvP is in such a rough shape it makes me sad
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Rebornlogic✭✭And I still catch myself wondering why campaigns are empty af now even now well after One Tamriel released....
For the first time ever I don't have an issue with ZOS fixing Cyrodiil lag anymore. They simply found another solution and decided to implement it.
One Tamriel has finally allowed for the removal of legit PvP in Cyrodiil and even spread the lag to PvE Trials.
Cyrodiil itself is empty af and full of groups of cancerous no-skill players who all want to prove they're better than the next group of cancerous no-skill players. All of the truly skilled players have pretty much quit PvP because these days you can have great players get killed by terrible players who have access to OP Heavy Armor/Proc sets.... these are the same weaklings they used to 1vX because skill was once the most prevalent factor in a fight. Now 2v1 can become near impossible against correctly setup Heavy Armor builds. Stalemates in Duels are also happening constantly now.
Can PvP be saved? Absolutely 100% yes it can! Hopefully Q1 2017 (Player Housing/Balancing) actually does this like ZOS says it will.
Can PvP win back the players it has lost since Dark Brotherhood (Stamina becoming over the top) or the many players quitting since One Tamriel (numerous PvP rage quits by new players getting oneshotted all the time fromViper/Velidreth/Tremorscale/Widowmaker)? Doubt it..... Back at console launch many players quit due to PC transfers killing them. One Tamriel's PvP is significantly worse. I wouldn't want to continue playing a game where I was literally a walking orb of 20Ult for any decent player.
Idk..... I'm just another disappointmented player at this point. PvE is really great atm but PvP is in such a rough shape it makes me sad
you think viper/viel/tremor/widowmaker is bad, you have yet to see infinite dmg shield pet sorcs
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rebornlogic wrote: »And I still catch myself wondering why campaigns are empty af now even now well after One Tamriel released....
For the first time ever I don't have an issue with ZOS fixing Cyrodiil lag anymore. They simply found another solution and decided to implement it.
One Tamriel has finally allowed for the removal of legit PvP in Cyrodiil and even spread the lag to PvE Trials.
Cyrodiil itself is empty af and full of groups of cancerous no-skill players who all want to prove they're better than the next group of cancerous no-skill players. All of the truly skilled players have pretty much quit PvP because these days you can have great players get killed by terrible players who have access to OP Heavy Armor/Proc sets.... these are the same weaklings they used to 1vX because skill was once the most prevalent factor in a fight. Now 2v1 can become near impossible against correctly setup Heavy Armor builds. Stalemates in Duels are also happening constantly now.
Can PvP be saved? Absolutely 100% yes it can! Hopefully Q1 2017 (Player Housing/Balancing) actually does this like ZOS says it will.
Can PvP win back the players it has lost since Dark Brotherhood (Stamina becoming over the top) or the many players quitting since One Tamriel (numerous PvP rage quits by new players getting oneshotted all the time fromViper/Velidreth/Tremorscale/Widowmaker)? Doubt it..... Back at console launch many players quit due to PC transfers killing them. One Tamriel's PvP is significantly worse. I wouldn't want to continue playing a game where I was literally a walking orb of 20Ult for any decent player.
Idk..... I'm just another disappointmented player at this point. PvE is really great atm but PvP is in such a rough shape it makes me sad
you think viper/viel/tremor/widowmaker is bad, you have yet to see infinite dmg shield pet sorcs 0 dmg to them and 4 pets on you GG
4 pets
Is there an exploit? I remember reading about having 2 clannfears/familars or something like that if you bug it out somehow. Is that what you mean? Edited by Vaoh on October 26, 2016 1:37AM0
