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World boss loot mechanics hoses tanks

  • Callous2208
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    Kammakazi wrote: »
    What kind of tank are you?

    It sounds like you just taunt one time, and hold block.

    I think you should be doing a lot of heavy attack, ransack, bash combos. Throw in a Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath in there.

    The boss is dead before my first taunt has worn off, even if I was a DK which im not there is no time. The point is I should not have to respec and gimp my build because ZOS thinks dps is a smart way to measure all classes.

    Then there are too many people tagging it and dpsing it down too fast. There are some pure dps builds around you not getting loot in this scenario. Your build is not the issue, your issue is that there are too many people on one boss. If there are so many people that the boss is dead before the taunt wears off, why are you even taunting?
  • WalksonGraves
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    Kammakazi wrote: »
    What kind of tank are you?

    It sounds like you just taunt one time, and hold block.

    I think you should be doing a lot of heavy attack, ransack, bash combos. Throw in a Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath in there.

    The boss is dead before my first taunt has worn off, even if I was a DK which im not there is no time. The point is I should not have to respec and gimp my build because ZOS thinks dps is a smart way to measure all classes.

    Then there are too many people tagging it and dpsing it down too fast. There are some pure dps builds around you not getting loot in this scenario. Your build is not the issue, your issue is that there are too many people on one boss. If there are so many people that the boss is dead before the taunt wears off, why are you even taunting?

    Because as a tank my opening hit is always a taunt? Do you ask healers why they heal as well?
    It was to give you an example of how short the fights are.
  • Callous2208
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    Kammakazi wrote: »
    What kind of tank are you?

    It sounds like you just taunt one time, and hold block.

    I think you should be doing a lot of heavy attack, ransack, bash combos. Throw in a Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath in there.

    The boss is dead before my first taunt has worn off, even if I was a DK which im not there is no time. The point is I should not have to respec and gimp my build because ZOS thinks dps is a smart way to measure all classes.

    Then there are too many people tagging it and dpsing it down too fast. There are some pure dps builds around you not getting loot in this scenario. Your build is not the issue, your issue is that there are too many people on one boss. If there are so many people that the boss is dead before the taunt wears off, why are you even taunting?

    Because as a tank my opening hit is always a taunt? Do you ask healers why they heal as well?
    It was to give you an example of how short the fights are.

    You're not in a dungeon. Troll thread confirmed. You're on a world boss with 5 million people. You mean to tell me you're so brainwashed tank 4 lyfe that you run up and start your tanking rotation in this scenario? GTFO, nobody is this dumb. Here's a shocker, the healers running around doing world bosses aren't opening with buffs and party heals as they run at a world boss being hammered on by the rest of Tamriel.
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    Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.


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  • WalksonGraves
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    Kammakazi wrote: »
    What kind of tank are you?

    It sounds like you just taunt one time, and hold block.

    I think you should be doing a lot of heavy attack, ransack, bash combos. Throw in a Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath in there.

    The boss is dead before my first taunt has worn off, even if I was a DK which im not there is no time. The point is I should not have to respec and gimp my build because ZOS thinks dps is a smart way to measure all classes.

    Then there are too many people tagging it and dpsing it down too fast. There are some pure dps builds around you not getting loot in this scenario. Your build is not the issue, your issue is that there are too many people on one boss. If there are so many people that the boss is dead before the taunt wears off, why are you even taunting?

    Because as a tank my opening hit is always a taunt? Do you ask healers why they heal as well?
    It was to give you an example of how short the fights are.

    You're not in a dungeon. Troll thread confirmed. You're on a world boss with 5 million people. You mean to tell me you're so brainwashed tank 4 lyfe that you run up and start your tanking rotation in this scenario? GTFO, nobody is this dumb. Here's a shocker, the healers running around doing world bosses aren't opening with buffs and party heals as they run at a world boss being hammered on by the rest of Tamriel.

    You realize if you run up on wb as a dps without a tank if there isn't a ton of people the boss one shots them? I started with 4 people, then 20 rush in kill the boss and disqualify me from looting. I get that your micropenis causes you frustration.
  • cjthibs
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    Kammakazi wrote: »
    What kind of tank are you?

    It sounds like you just taunt one time, and hold block.

    I think you should be doing a lot of heavy attack, ransack, bash combos. Throw in a Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath in there.

    The boss is dead before my first taunt has worn off, even if I was a DK which im not there is no time. The point is I should not have to respec and gimp my build because ZOS thinks dps is a smart way to measure all classes.

    Then there are too many people tagging it and dpsing it down too fast. There are some pure dps builds around you not getting loot in this scenario. Your build is not the issue, your issue is that there are too many people on one boss. If there are so many people that the boss is dead before the taunt wears off, why are you even taunting?

    Because as a tank my opening hit is always a taunt? Do you ask healers why they heal as well?
    It was to give you an example of how short the fights are.

    You're not in a dungeon. Troll thread confirmed. You're on a world boss with 5 million people. You mean to tell me you're so brainwashed tank 4 lyfe that you run up and start your tanking rotation in this scenario? GTFO, nobody is this dumb. Here's a shocker, the healers running around doing world bosses aren't opening with buffs and party heals as they run at a world boss being hammered on by the rest of Tamriel.

    You realize if you run up on wb as a dps without a tank if there isn't a ton of people the boss one shots them? I started with 4 people, then 20 rush in kill the boss and disqualify me from looting. I get that your micropenis causes you frustration.

    Ha. This is funny.
    The issue isn't the mechanics...even though you should be able to adjust to a DPS build easily with a few gear swaps...it's the fact that people are farming these things like crazy right now.

    Wait until the event is over and then you can happily taunt, hold block and count to ten, taunt, taunt, hold block and count to ten, taunt, taunt, hold block and count to ten, taunt, taunt, hold block and count to ten, taunt, taunt, hold block and count to ten, taunt, taunt, hold block and count to ten, taunt, taunt, hold block and count to ten, taunt, with your buddies all over again. :smile:
  • Callous2208
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    Kammakazi wrote: »
    What kind of tank are you?

    It sounds like you just taunt one time, and hold block.

    I think you should be doing a lot of heavy attack, ransack, bash combos. Throw in a Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath in there.

    The boss is dead before my first taunt has worn off, even if I was a DK which im not there is no time. The point is I should not have to respec and gimp my build because ZOS thinks dps is a smart way to measure all classes.

    Then there are too many people tagging it and dpsing it down too fast. There are some pure dps builds around you not getting loot in this scenario. Your build is not the issue, your issue is that there are too many people on one boss. If there are so many people that the boss is dead before the taunt wears off, why are you even taunting?

    Because as a tank my opening hit is always a taunt? Do you ask healers why they heal as well?
    It was to give you an example of how short the fights are.

    You're not in a dungeon. Troll thread confirmed. You're on a world boss with 5 million people. You mean to tell me you're so brainwashed tank 4 lyfe that you run up and start your tanking rotation in this scenario? GTFO, nobody is this dumb. Here's a shocker, the healers running around doing world bosses aren't opening with buffs and party heals as they run at a world boss being hammered on by the rest of Tamriel.

    You realize if you run up on wb as a dps without a tank if there isn't a ton of people the boss one shots them? I started with 4 people, then 20 rush in kill the boss and disqualify me from looting. I get that your micropenis causes you frustration.

    Reported for peeking in my shower window. Now my micro *** and I are off to farm world bosses with my tank. Also, FYI, my dps can solo some of these world bosses so...yea. Go in, tank, do some deeps while you work and by the time 20 people show up, you'll have that 3% little guy. ESO is a bit different than WoW but you'll get the hang of it buddy.
  • Solus
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    Sigtric wrote: »
    Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.


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  • cjthibs
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    Kammakazi wrote: »
    What kind of tank are you?

    It sounds like you just taunt one time, and hold block.

    I think you should be doing a lot of heavy attack, ransack, bash combos. Throw in a Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath in there.

    The boss is dead before my first taunt has worn off, even if I was a DK which im not there is no time. The point is I should not have to respec and gimp my build because ZOS thinks dps is a smart way to measure all classes.

    Then there are too many people tagging it and dpsing it down too fast. There are some pure dps builds around you not getting loot in this scenario. Your build is not the issue, your issue is that there are too many people on one boss. If there are so many people that the boss is dead before the taunt wears off, why are you even taunting?

    Because as a tank my opening hit is always a taunt? Do you ask healers why they heal as well?
    It was to give you an example of how short the fights are.

    You're not in a dungeon. Troll thread confirmed. You're on a world boss with 5 million people. You mean to tell me you're so brainwashed tank 4 lyfe that you run up and start your tanking rotation in this scenario? GTFO, nobody is this dumb. Here's a shocker, the healers running around doing world bosses aren't opening with buffs and party heals as they run at a world boss being hammered on by the rest of Tamriel.

    You realize if you run up on wb as a dps without a tank if there isn't a ton of people the boss one shots them? I started with 4 people, then 20 rush in kill the boss and disqualify me from looting. I get that your micropenis causes you frustration.

    Reported for peeking in my shower window. Now my micro *** and I are off to farm world bosses with my tank. Also, FYI, my dps can solo some of these world bosses so...yea. Go in, tank, do some deeps while you work and by the time 20 people show up, you'll have that 3% little guy. ESO is a bit different than WoW but you'll get the hang of it buddy.

    Next time you should step back and wait for a tank...it's dangerous going it alone. :smiley:
  • WalksonGraves
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    Sigtric wrote: »
    Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.


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    Those "tanks" can't play their class
    Edited by WalksonGraves on October 25, 2016 12:28AM
  • Callous2208
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    cjthibs wrote: »
    Kammakazi wrote: »
    What kind of tank are you?

    It sounds like you just taunt one time, and hold block.

    I think you should be doing a lot of heavy attack, ransack, bash combos. Throw in a Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath in there.

    The boss is dead before my first taunt has worn off, even if I was a DK which im not there is no time. The point is I should not have to respec and gimp my build because ZOS thinks dps is a smart way to measure all classes.

    Then there are too many people tagging it and dpsing it down too fast. There are some pure dps builds around you not getting loot in this scenario. Your build is not the issue, your issue is that there are too many people on one boss. If there are so many people that the boss is dead before the taunt wears off, why are you even taunting?

    Because as a tank my opening hit is always a taunt? Do you ask healers why they heal as well?
    It was to give you an example of how short the fights are.

    You're not in a dungeon. Troll thread confirmed. You're on a world boss with 5 million people. You mean to tell me you're so brainwashed tank 4 lyfe that you run up and start your tanking rotation in this scenario? GTFO, nobody is this dumb. Here's a shocker, the healers running around doing world bosses aren't opening with buffs and party heals as they run at a world boss being hammered on by the rest of Tamriel.

    You realize if you run up on wb as a dps without a tank if there isn't a ton of people the boss one shots them? I started with 4 people, then 20 rush in kill the boss and disqualify me from looting. I get that your micropenis causes you frustration.

    Reported for peeking in my shower window. Now my micro *** and I are off to farm world bosses with my tank. Also, FYI, my dps can solo some of these world bosses so...yea. Go in, tank, do some deeps while you work and by the time 20 people show up, you'll have that 3% little guy. ESO is a bit different than WoW but you'll get the hang of it buddy.

    Next time you should step back and wait for a tank...it's dangerous going it alone. :smiley:

    Good advice but I don't know man, this isn't WoW. Tanks have actual skills and rotations, contributing buffs and damage to group play. What if I get out dps'd by some hotshot tank and can't get that sweet sweet loot?
  • cjthibs
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    Those "tanks" can't play their class

    Hmm...how's that world boss tanking working out for you?
  • WalksonGraves
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    cjthibs wrote: »
    Kammakazi wrote: »
    What kind of tank are you?

    It sounds like you just taunt one time, and hold block.

    I think you should be doing a lot of heavy attack, ransack, bash combos. Throw in a Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath in there.

    The boss is dead before my first taunt has worn off, even if I was a DK which im not there is no time. The point is I should not have to respec and gimp my build because ZOS thinks dps is a smart way to measure all classes.

    Then there are too many people tagging it and dpsing it down too fast. There are some pure dps builds around you not getting loot in this scenario. Your build is not the issue, your issue is that there are too many people on one boss. If there are so many people that the boss is dead before the taunt wears off, why are you even taunting?

    Because as a tank my opening hit is always a taunt? Do you ask healers why they heal as well?
    It was to give you an example of how short the fights are.

    You're not in a dungeon. Troll thread confirmed. You're on a world boss with 5 million people. You mean to tell me you're so brainwashed tank 4 lyfe that you run up and start your tanking rotation in this scenario? GTFO, nobody is this dumb. Here's a shocker, the healers running around doing world bosses aren't opening with buffs and party heals as they run at a world boss being hammered on by the rest of Tamriel.

    You realize if you run up on wb as a dps without a tank if there isn't a ton of people the boss one shots them? I started with 4 people, then 20 rush in kill the boss and disqualify me from looting. I get that your micropenis causes you frustration.

    Reported for peeking in my shower window. Now my micro *** and I are off to farm world bosses with my tank. Also, FYI, my dps can solo some of these world bosses so...yea. Go in, tank, do some deeps while you work and by the time 20 people show up, you'll have that 3% little guy. ESO is a bit different than WoW but you'll get the hang of it buddy.

    Next time you should step back and wait for a tank...it's dangerous going it alone. :smiley:

    Good advice but I don't know man, this isn't WoW. Tanks have actual skills and rotations, contributing buffs and damage to group play. What if I get out dps'd by some hotshot tank and can't get that sweet sweet loot?

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    Those "tanks" can't play their class

    Hmm...how's that world boss tanking working out for you?

    How's that raid tanking with your mega badass dps tank?
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    You should have different set-ups for different content. PvP and PvE is very different, but so is overworld PvE and group PvE content. Just because you can't deal with that doesn't mean there is a problem.
  • AzraelKrieg
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    Sigtric wrote: »
    Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.


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    Those "tanks" can't play their class

    Those tanks know how to play their class when they aren't doing a group dungeon. A tank should be holding aggro and providing some debuffs and the best debuff a tank has is Pierce Armour which does damage and taunts the target so they have no issue doing damage. Also, most will use other skills like Heroic Slash to generate ultimate. A DK tank will drop Standard, decreasing the damage they take while in it and doing damage to the taunted target for example. If all you're doing is using Inner Fire as a taunt and then holding block, you're a useless tank and will be kicked from any vet dungeon or end game trial group.
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  • WalksonGraves
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    You should have different set-ups for different content. PvP and PvE is very different, but so is overworld PvE and group PvE content. Just because you can't deal with that doesn't mean there is a problem.

    No other class has to respec to loot a boss.
  • cjthibs
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    How's that raid tanking with your mega badass dps tank?

    I did say earlier on that I hadn't done trials with this one yet...for Vet Dungeons he does fantastic. And he has yet to miss loot on a world boss.
  • Callous2208
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    Sigtric wrote: »
    Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.


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    Those "tanks" can't play their class

    Every tank in every progression guild wrecking face in trials, dungeons, maelstrom, world bosses, and pvp says you're wrong. My mini dangle will believe their many videos, achievements and tutorials instead of your legendary tales from a bygone era...in some other game.
  • WalksonGraves
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    Sigtric wrote: »
    Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.


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    Those "tanks" can't play their class

    Those tanks know how to play their class when they aren't doing a group dungeon. A tank should be holding aggro and providing some debuffs and the best debuff a tank has is Pierce Armour which does damage and taunts the target so they have no issue doing damage. Also, most will use other skills like Heroic Slash to generate ultimate. A DK tank will drop Standard, decreasing the damage they take while in it and doing damage to the taunted target for example. If all you're doing is using Inner Fire as a taunt and then holding block, you're a useless tank and will be kicked from any vet dungeon or end game trial group.

    No one ever said any of that, some idiot decided to attack my tanking skills to be a troll even though he has no idea what im doing nor does it have anything to do with the original topic.
  • cjthibs
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    Sigtric wrote: »
    Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.


    latest?cb=20140319065822

    Those "tanks" can't play their class

    Those tanks know how to play their class when they aren't doing a group dungeon. A tank should be holding aggro and providing some debuffs and the best debuff a tank has is Pierce Armour which does damage and taunts the target so they have no issue doing damage. Also, most will use other skills like Heroic Slash to generate ultimate. A DK tank will drop Standard, decreasing the damage they take while in it and doing damage to the taunted target for example. If all you're doing is using Inner Fire as a taunt and then holding block, you're a useless tank and will be kicked from any vet dungeon or end game trial group.

    No one ever said any of that, some idiot decided to attack my tanking skills to be a troll even though he has no idea what im doing nor does it have anything to do with the original topic.

    Your own results, which you volunteered, tell us enough to know what's going on.
  • BigBragg
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    So overall it sounds like you believe one taunt, that doesn't even have time to wear off, should grant you guaranteed access to the loot table. Why? If a boss is burning down in under ten seconds, you aren't contributing anything. What if two tanks show up and do that? Perhaps three. None of them carry any wait in the outcome of the particular encounter, but all feel entitled to the reward?

    First thing a tank needs to do is know the fight.
  • WalksonGraves
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    BigBragg wrote: »
    So overall it sounds like you believe one taunt, that doesn't even have time to wear off, should grant you guaranteed access to the loot table. Why? If a boss is burning down in under ten seconds, you aren't contributing anything. What if two tanks show up and do that? Perhaps three. None of them carry any wait in the outcome of the particular encounter, but all feel entitled to the reward?

    First thing a tank needs to do is know the fight.

    Know the fight? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF WORLD BOSS? There are no fing mechanics and no real tank can compete doing dps against a dps.
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    Neither tanking nor healing should be penalised. Period.

    Though I belive the problem here is ttk is much lower than the devs planned, leaving some characters in the cold on getting 3% damage in with low dps builds.
  • cjthibs
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    BigBragg wrote: »
    So overall it sounds like you believe one taunt, that doesn't even have time to wear off, should grant you guaranteed access to the loot table. Why? If a boss is burning down in under ten seconds, you aren't contributing anything. What if two tanks show up and do that? Perhaps three. None of them carry any wait in the outcome of the particular encounter, but all feel entitled to the reward?

    First thing a tank needs to do is know the fight.

    Know the fight? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF WORLD BOSS? There are no fing mechanics and no real tank can compete doing dps against a dps.

    Gear for some Weapon Damage, throw a two-hander on your off-bar...sorted mate.
    Plus you can help execute on bosses with a lot of HP.
  • Solus
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    BigBragg wrote: »
    So overall it sounds like you believe one taunt, that doesn't even have time to wear off, should grant you guaranteed access to the loot table. Why? If a boss is burning down in under ten seconds, you aren't contributing anything. What if two tanks show up and do that? Perhaps three. None of them carry any wait in the outcome of the particular encounter, but all feel entitled to the reward?

    First thing a tank needs to do is know the fight.

    Know the fight? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF WORLD BOSS? There are no fing mechanics and no real tank can compete doing dps against a dps.

    I had no idea


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  • WalksonGraves
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    Sigtric wrote: »
    Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.


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    Those "tanks" can't play their class

    Every tank in every progression guild wrecking face in trials, dungeons, maelstrom, world bosses, and pvp says you're wrong. My mini dangle will believe their many videos, achievements and tutorials instead of your legendary tales from a bygone era...in some other game.

    There are no tanks in pvp, what are you going to do taunt with emotes? Hybrid builds are garbage and I feel bad for the people that have the misfortune of being in your group. Lol at tanking in vmsa, you realize it's a dps race right?
  • Solus
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    Sigtric wrote: »
    Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.


    latest?cb=20140319065822

    Those "tanks" can't play their class

    Every tank in every progression guild wrecking face in trials, dungeons, maelstrom, world bosses, and pvp says you're wrong. My mini dangle will believe their many videos, achievements and tutorials instead of your legendary tales from a bygone era...in some other game.

    There are no tanks in pvp, what are you going to do taunt with emotes?

    Why isnt this a thing.
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  • cjthibs
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    Solus wrote: »
    Sigtric wrote: »
    Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.


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    Those "tanks" can't play their class

    Every tank in every progression guild wrecking face in trials, dungeons, maelstrom, world bosses, and pvp says you're wrong. My mini dangle will believe their many videos, achievements and tutorials instead of your legendary tales from a bygone era...in some other game.

    There are no tanks in pvp, what are you going to do taunt with emotes?

    Why isnt this a thing.

    I /wave and /shout at enemies from the walls. Does that count? :smiley:
  • Solus
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    cjthibs wrote: »
    Solus wrote: »
    Sigtric wrote: »
    Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.


    latest?cb=20140319065822

    Those "tanks" can't play their class

    Every tank in every progression guild wrecking face in trials, dungeons, maelstrom, world bosses, and pvp says you're wrong. My mini dangle will believe their many videos, achievements and tutorials instead of your legendary tales from a bygone era...in some other game.

    There are no tanks in pvp, what are you going to do taunt with emotes?

    Why isnt this a thing.

    I /wave and /shout at enemies from the walls. Does that count? :smiley:

    Can we set up emotes so they work with the press of a button on PC? Will i get banned for even saying the devil word.... macro?..

    Because i have the logitech G910 keyboard, i could totally assign the G1-9 with emotes for ESO
    Edited by Solus on October 25, 2016 12:44AM
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  • cjthibs
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    Sigtric wrote: »
    Basically it's not tanks getting hosed, as other tanks have stated what they are doing to deal with this issue.


    latest?cb=20140319065822

    Those "tanks" can't play their class

    Every tank in every progression guild wrecking face in trials, dungeons, maelstrom, world bosses, and pvp says you're wrong. My mini dangle will believe their many videos, achievements and tutorials instead of your legendary tales from a bygone era...in some other game.

    There are no tanks in pvp, what are you going to do taunt with emotes? Hybrid builds are garbage and I feel bad for the people that have the misfortune of being in your group. Lol at tanking in vmsa, you realize it's a dps race right?

    ...you don't PvP much do you?
    Tanks don't -just- taunt. They take more damage than the other guys, and there are tons of people who do this in PvP.

    Hell, way back in the day 80% of Cyrodiil consisted of unkillable DK tanks. Those are gone, but there are still plenty of tank builds in Cyrodiil.
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