Really AD?

ataggs · October 2016

@Minno have you ever used an emoji other than then winky face? Is that truly how you feel every post?

God_flakes · October 2016

ataggs wrote: »

@Minno have you ever used an emoji other than then winky face? Is that truly how you feel every post?

Digging deep in your criticism bag?

ataggs · October 2016

Why would you think it is a criticism?

Telel · October 2016

Seems they removed the video because Telel said one naughty word in it...

Maybe khajiit will reupload and replace the audio with the music entirely. But until then...you'll have to go to youtube to see it.

Telel · October 2016

Minno wrote: »

Everyone knows poplocked EP and AD have been fighting a 3bar DC at primetime eastern, right?

This week EP had a 40+ que, idk AD's number but probably "poplocked instant", and DC is super instant.

Guess whose still in first?

When Telel began streaming last night it was 3 bars AD, pop locked griffs and three bars of bloops. This one will give you a guess where most of those opponents were as the pack made to retake home keeps.

It's only after the Dumbminion retakes Alessia that the population locks. This is due to the AP mules getting off of their mains to come over and clog up our queue so that they can feed their friends on the bridge.

It's also one of the reasons why the Dumbminion can never seem to get groups nearly the size of the Dramflawed Cumberbund's massive hordes during the period of the day we refer to as 'purple time'. All the alts over on the wrong side of the map refuse to help or go to another server. This combines with several other issues our faction has right now to make just holding the line a bit of a chore.

The bloops also seem to know this which is why they so rarely try for Alessia until they've taken every other keep on the map.

Nevertheless the dumbminion has managed to hold onto second place and even made a few goes for first this month. If the queue cloggers will just go to their buff campaign and farm themselves there Trueflame might become even more competitive for all three factions.

Manoekin · October 2016

Minno wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Everyone knows poplocked EP and AD have been fighting a 3bar DC at primetime eastern, right?

This week EP had a 40+ que, idk AD's number but probably "poplocked instant", and DC is super instant.

Guess whose still in first?

Please minno. Anyone can look at a map. I imagine even EP could win a campaign if they were ignored by an entire faction for 90% of the day. The 10% of the day I actually see EP push the north keeps all I ever see is DC back at the tri keeps same as AD. And DC is still locked at those times.

Looks like EP just wants second place. DC has a decent amount of players hitting chal all the time (you've seen them around bleaks). Even if Ash is taken, DC still hits chal lol.

I'm usually on between 8pm-12am and I que up to a 3 bar DC force.

Yeah EP does not care at all which is honestly surprising to me. Doesn't matter either if DC has chal if that's where it stops. DC can have Chal and it won't flag for several hours because EP has their entire faction down at alessia/faregyl, meanwhile DC stops pushing northern keeps and then also brings their entire faction down south. I would expect any faction to simply just not be able to deal with crap like that, and every night I've seen it happen to DC they end up turtling their last three keeps just the same as AD. The score is honestly just a representation of who holds off hours more, and who gets zerged down mercilessly the least/most. There's no attempt at strategy being used any more. If EP can't take alessia with 40 players they bring 80. Same with DC and probably AD. No one is actively doing anything to push their faction forward.

Vitaely · October 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

EP has their entire faction down at alessia/faregyl, meanwhile DC stops pushing northern keeps and then also brings their entire faction down south. I would expect any faction to simply just not be able to deal with crap like that, and every night I've seen it happen to DC they end up turtling their last three keeps just the same as AD.

Yes.

PVP has become factions acting as one big megazerg. You can kid yourself and say "We're all small man groups fighting next to each other", it's a lie. Every time the cycle Mano described happens, we take our small men north. (Bleakers/Bruma/Ales) And every time we hit 1-2 small men groups who didn't get the memo about their whole faction hitting AD (or DC or EP doesn't matter) home keeps. After a while running around in the empty northern wastelands gets too boring and the moment I port back south, I find all the people I fought up north and many more in our tri-keeps.

There is a very simple solution to this. We need more than 1 guild active at prime time, and some common sense in their leaders. (Stop stacking with everyone else.) So we can have a more interactive campaign where people try to push multiple objectives at a time. Know this: Pugs will be pugs and they will follow you around as blobs.

The real issue is no one (serious about pvp) wants to pvp anymore. It could be just that some guilds aren't prepared for the meta yet, or they're just sick of the meta. I can't answer that.

EDIT
This reminds me: We tried pulling DC back from going past Roe by attacking Ales. While AD took Aleswell and Ash, they chose to fight empty/pug protected AD trikeeps. I say to that "Really DC?"

Telel · October 2016

Manoekin wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Everyone knows poplocked EP and AD have been fighting a 3bar DC at primetime eastern, right?

This week EP had a 40+ que, idk AD's number but probably "poplocked instant", and DC is super instant.

Guess whose still in first?

Please minno. Anyone can look at a map. I imagine even EP could win a campaign if they were ignored by an entire faction for 90% of the day. The 10% of the day I actually see EP push the north keeps all I ever see is DC back at the tri keeps same as AD. And DC is still locked at those times.

Looks like EP just wants second place. DC has a decent amount of players hitting chal all the time (you've seen them around bleaks). Even if Ash is taken, DC still hits chal lol.

I'm usually on between 8pm-12am and I que up to a 3 bar DC force.

There's no attempt at strategy being used any more. If EP can't take alessia with 40 players they bring 80. Same with DC and probably AD. No one is actively doing anything to push their faction forward.

AHEM?

Vitaely wrote: »

There is a very simple solution to this. We need more than 1 guild active at prime time, and some common sense in their leaders. (Stop stacking with everyone else.) So we can have a more interactive campaign where people try to push multiple objectives at a time. Know this: Pugs will be pugs and they will follow you around as blobs.

The real issue is no one (serious about pvp) wants to pvp anymore. It could be just that some guilds aren't prepared for the meta yet, or they're just sick of the meta. I can't answer that.

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Also, AHEM?

God_flakes · October 2016

Vitaely wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

EP has their entire faction down at alessia/faregyl, meanwhile DC stops pushing northern keeps and then also brings their entire faction down south. I would expect any faction to simply just not be able to deal with crap like that, and every night I've seen it happen to DC they end up turtling their last three keeps just the same as AD.

Yes.

PVP has become factions acting as one big megazerg. You can kid yourself and say "We're all small man groups fighting next to each other", it's a lie. Every time the cycle Mano described happens, we take our small men north. (Bleakers/Bruma/Ales) And every time we hit 1-2 small men groups who didn't get the memo about their whole faction hitting AD (or DC or EP doesn't matter) home keeps. After a while running around in the empty northern wastelands gets too boring and the moment I port back south, I find all the people I fought up north and many more in our tri-keeps.

There is a very simple solution to this. We need more than 1 guild active at prime time, and some common sense in their leaders. (Stop stacking with everyone else.) So we can have a more interactive campaign where people try to push multiple objectives at a time. Know this: Pugs will be pugs and they will follow you around as blobs.

The real issue is no one (serious about pvp) wants to pvp anymore. It could be just that some guilds aren't prepared for the meta yet, or they're just sick of the meta. I can't answer that.

EDIT
This reminds me: We tried pulling DC back from going past Roe by attacking Ales. While AD took Aleswell and Ash, they chose to fight empty/pug protected AD trikeeps. I say to that "Really DC?"

I can tell you why Saramis does this, and his strat is on point. AD attacks our inner keeps, they best prepare to have their inner keeps struck as well. Turn about is fair play. Saramis knows DC pugs are usually strong enough to hold glade and ales. Train your pugs better.

Telel · October 2016

Vitaely wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

EP has their entire faction down at alessia/faregyl, meanwhile DC stops pushing northern keeps and then also brings their entire faction down south. I would expect any faction to simply just not be able to deal with crap like that, and every night I've seen it happen to DC they end up turtling their last three keeps just the same as AD.

Yes.

PVP has become factions acting as one big megazerg. You can kid yourself and say "We're all small man groups fighting next to each other", it's a lie. Every time the cycle Mano described happens, we take our small men north. (Bleakers/Bruma/Ales) And every time we hit 1-2 small men groups who didn't get the memo about their whole faction hitting AD (or DC or EP doesn't matter) home keeps. After a while running around in the empty northern wastelands gets too boring and the moment I port back south, I find all the people I fought up north and many more in our tri-keeps.

There is a very simple solution to this. We need more than 1 guild active at prime time, and some common sense in their leaders. (Stop stacking with everyone else.) So we can have a more interactive campaign where people try to push multiple objectives at a time. Know this: Pugs will be pugs and they will follow you around as blobs.

The real issue is no one (serious about pvp) wants to pvp anymore. It could be just that some guilds aren't prepared for the meta yet, or they're just sick of the meta. I can't answer that.

EDIT
This reminds me: We tried pulling DC back from going past Roe by attacking Ales. While AD took Aleswell and Ash, they chose to fight empty/pug protected AD trikeeps. I say to that "Really DC?"

God_flakes wrote: »

Vitaely wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

EP has their entire faction down at alessia/faregyl, meanwhile DC stops pushing northern keeps and then also brings their entire faction down south. I would expect any faction to simply just not be able to deal with crap like that, and every night I've seen it happen to DC they end up turtling their last three keeps just the same as AD.

Yes.

PVP has become factions acting as one big megazerg. You can kid yourself and say "We're all small man groups fighting next to each other", it's a lie. Every time the cycle Mano described happens, we take our small men north. (Bleakers/Bruma/Ales) And every time we hit 1-2 small men groups who didn't get the memo about their whole faction hitting AD (or DC or EP doesn't matter) home keeps. After a while running around in the empty northern wastelands gets too boring and the moment I port back south, I find all the people I fought up north and many more in our tri-keeps.

There is a very simple solution to this. We need more than 1 guild active at prime time, and some common sense in their leaders. (Stop stacking with everyone else.) So we can have a more interactive campaign where people try to push multiple objectives at a time. Know this: Pugs will be pugs and they will follow you around as blobs.

The real issue is no one (serious about pvp) wants to pvp anymore. It could be just that some guilds aren't prepared for the meta yet, or they're just sick of the meta. I can't answer that.

EDIT
This reminds me: We tried pulling DC back from going past Roe by attacking Ales. While AD took Aleswell and Ash, they chose to fight empty/pug protected AD trikeeps. I say to that "Really DC?"

I can tell you why Saramis does this, and his strat is on point. AD attacks our inner keeps, they best prepare to have their inner keeps struck as well. Turn about is fair play. Saramis knows DC pugs are usually strong enough to hold glade and ales. Train your pugs better.

Telel agrees. The best way to keep a faction from pushing is to take a choice objective, and hold it until your less organized allies can get their elves together.

That may surprise some folks considering the fact this one has said repeatedly how often they're run over by masses of bloops. Not to mention the daily occurrences of 'purple time'.

But in the end the Dumbminion has shown that with sufficient groups and some coordination on strategy it can reverse being double teamed and even use it to retake some ground.

Which is why khajiit is more often to be heard complaining about their own faction instead of being en elf about the other two.

Well except for AP mules. But those are technically on the good team, even if they're just queue cloggers playing for the griffs.

Oh, and Alessia bridge. That thing truly is this one's unbeatable end game boss, and should be nerfed.

That being said, anyone who takes a scroll keep that no longer has a scroll is a filthy elf loving elf and should just go back to playing call of duty against their grandma.

Telel · October 2016

Okay new version of the 'Telel zerging and PVDooring' video sans the Team speak commentary the forum moderators declared as obscene.

https://youtu.be/QRoryWvCynw

As usual, spot any fighting between the bloops and griffs and get a moon sugar brownie.

NBrookus · October 2016

Nice D, @Telel .

Team purple doesn't exist. DC hits Bleakers and Chalman all night long. Tonight DC even managed to flip Chal, Arrius, Kings and Farr within a few minutes tonight.

I spent my first week on TF in 2-4 man groups, trying to find some small scale and responding to keep defense needs. Got zerged relentlessly and negate carpetbombed while EP didn't bother doing anything but farming AP at places like Bloodmaybe. Eh, fine, I'll just go to the bridge.

fastolfv_ESO · October 2016

for ages now i log on to form my raid up and check the map, ash yellow brk yellow. So i form up go take nikel go take fare and hope dc pugs can retake ash while ep takes sej brk and alessia. This happens to ad every day because they do the same thing all 3 alliances do, overextend against 2 alliances. Later in the evening when dc numbers wane pugs will flip chal on dc side then the exact same thing happens ad retakes roe brindle nikel and pushes ash while ep is on ales. Lesson of the story no 1 alliance can take on the other 2 aaaand pugs are horrible we need more guilds on all 3 sides

Skyy · October 2016

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

for ages now i log on to form my raid up and check the map, ash yellow brk yellow. So i form up go take nikel go take fare and hope dc pugs can retake ash while ep takes sej brk and alessia. This happens to ad every day because they do the same thing all 3 alliances do, overextend against 2 alliances. Later in the evening when dc numbers wane pugs will flip chal on dc side then the exact same thing happens ad retakes roe brindle nikel and pushes ash while ep is on ales. Lesson of the story no 1 alliance can take on the other 2 aaaand pugs are horrible we need more guilds on all 3 sides

Exactly. Most days I get on for some prime time fighting it starts with a pop-locked AD pushed up into a 3-bar EP and a 3-Bar DC so of course AD gets pushed back.

Telel · October 2016

Skyy wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

for ages now i log on to form my raid up and check the map, ash yellow brk yellow. So i form up go take nikel go take fare and hope dc pugs can retake ash while ep takes sej brk and alessia. This happens to ad every day because they do the same thing all 3 alliances do, overextend against 2 alliances. Later in the evening when dc numbers wane pugs will flip chal on dc side then the exact same thing happens ad retakes roe brindle nikel and pushes ash while ep is on ales. Lesson of the story no 1 alliance can take on the other 2 aaaand pugs are horrible we need more guilds on all 3 sides

Exactly. Most days I get on for some prime time fighting it starts with a pop-locked AD pushed up into a 3-bar EP and a 3-Bar DC so of course AD gets pushed back.

However in the end those dumbininion blokes who are effectively fighting eight bars worth of pop with three (remember, EP alts on AP mules don't count as pop), do not come to the forums and make an elf face all over it.

Though when an elfish sort comes here to make an elfing elf of their elf self and accuse certain humble khajiit of certain elfish acts we do tend to have an opinion on the matter.

An opinion that can and will be backed up with Mariachi music.

Rohamad_Ali · October 2016

I am happy . Everyone gets double teamed sometimes . So what . Every time I log in it seems we are being pushed by both sides down to home keeps even if missing scrolls and no emporership being in second place . I look at it like we must be the biggest threat and taking this as compliment now .

Skyy · October 2016

Telel wrote: »

Skyy wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

for ages now i log on to form my raid up and check the map, ash yellow brk yellow. So i form up go take nikel go take fare and hope dc pugs can retake ash while ep takes sej brk and alessia. This happens to ad every day because they do the same thing all 3 alliances do, overextend against 2 alliances. Later in the evening when dc numbers wane pugs will flip chal on dc side then the exact same thing happens ad retakes roe brindle nikel and pushes ash while ep is on ales. Lesson of the story no 1 alliance can take on the other 2 aaaand pugs are horrible we need more guilds on all 3 sides

Exactly. Most days I get on for some prime time fighting it starts with a pop-locked AD pushed up into a 3-bar EP and a 3-Bar DC so of course AD gets pushed back.

However in the end those dumbininion blokes who are effectively fighting eight bars worth of pop with three (remember, EP alts on AP mules don't count as pop), do not come to the forums and make an elf face all over it.

Though when an elfish sort comes here to make an elfing elf of their elf self and accuse certain humble khajiit of certain elfish acts we do tend to have an opinion on the matter.

An opinion that can and will be backed up with Mariachi music.

You think AD are the only ones with useless alt players? it's 4 bars again two sets of three that definitely fight each other as well as the 4. Quit trying to play the victim when you have the numbers.

Telel · October 2016

Skyy wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Skyy wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

for ages now i log on to form my raid up and check the map, ash yellow brk yellow. So i form up go take nikel go take fare and hope dc pugs can retake ash while ep takes sej brk and alessia. This happens to ad every day because they do the same thing all 3 alliances do, overextend against 2 alliances. Later in the evening when dc numbers wane pugs will flip chal on dc side then the exact same thing happens ad retakes roe brindle nikel and pushes ash while ep is on ales. Lesson of the story no 1 alliance can take on the other 2 aaaand pugs are horrible we need more guilds on all 3 sides

Exactly. Most days I get on for some prime time fighting it starts with a pop-locked AD pushed up into a 3-bar EP and a 3-Bar DC so of course AD gets pushed back.

However in the end those dumbininion blokes who are effectively fighting eight bars worth of pop with three (remember, EP alts on AP mules don't count as pop), do not come to the forums and make an elf face all over it.

Though when an elfish sort comes here to make an elfing elf of their elf self and accuse certain humble khajiit of certain elfish acts we do tend to have an opinion on the matter.

An opinion that can and will be backed up with Mariachi music.

You think AD are the only ones with useless alt players? it's 4 bars again two sets of three that definitely fight each other as well as the 4. Quit trying to play the victim when you have the numbers.

This one is far to polite to point out which of their opponents are useless. Thus, they do not do so and leave such things to those who are not Telel.

Which also saves plenty of time to work on their own factions short comings over being an elf about their opponents lack of skill. Because again, khajiit is very polite and would never say such things.

ataggs · October 2016

Really DC? Sooooooo many of you. Grats on the win but DC has no right to throw stones at anyone for their numbers.

God_flakes · October 2016

ataggs wrote: »

Really DC? Sooooooo many of you. Grats on the win but DC has no right to throw stones at anyone for their numbers.

So many of us? DC is almost always at a numbers disadvantage!!! U must be referring to one oddball fight late at night Saturday night when some Oceanic guild happened to have numbers. Any other time we struggle to get the numbers we need.

Elong · October 2016

Thought AD brought it on themselves to hold up in two keeps with EP scrolls rather than take more keeps that would've given them more points tonight.

maxjapank · October 2016

ataggs wrote: »

Really DC? Sooooooo many of you. Grats on the win but DC has no right to throw stones at anyone for their numbers.

As for the Oceanic timezone, it is exceptionally rare for blue to have more numbers than yellow. Last night, blue had 2 bars to yellow 3. Then for a short time, blue, red, and yellow were at 2 bars each. Then a bit later, yellow is pop locked to blue's 3 bars.

Interestingly, Japan time from 9pm is looking to be a very strong AD force. You have Queen's RAM. Another Japanese guild called Kagerou. And a new third Japanese guild called Haiku wo Yome. We've nicknamed Haiku wo Yome to be "HighWay" by the way. And their numbers and increasingly better coordination is really looking good. Blue is gonna have some tough fights in the coming months. Big cheers to the Japanese guilds!

Red is hurting this timezone. It would be nice to see some of the Oceanic crew organize something to get them up and running. Having red with more numbers would make this timezone the best of the best, not that it isn't an awesome timezone now.

ScooberSteve · October 2016

There is also a lot of good players zerging on ad which is sad because they have forgotten what pvp is about

ataggs · October 2016

My previous post was out of frustrattion. It was sort of the 'feels like' temperature the weather person gives and not scientifically calculated.

It is nice hear we have players from other time zones logging in. I did notice quite a few more EP this weekend.

The fights last night were fun. I logged in and saw those scrolls and laughed knowing what was coming. Could have done without the gate campers but outside of that it was a good time.

Eirella · October 2016

God_flakes wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

What's wrong with this? How are they pvdoor heroes if they are fighting NPCs and taking keeps? I get your frustration but if their are keeps to take, shouldn't people take them?

It's anti-competitive, you won't get any AP if there's no one left to fight. They can be the big bully all they want but then they'll whine and complain when someone does the same thing to them. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

I can't think of the last time DC had the numbers to pvdoor a map prime time. Maybe 2 years ago?

LOL wat.

God_flakes wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

Really DC? Sooooooo many of you. Grats on the win but DC has no right to throw stones at anyone for their numbers.

So many of us? DC is almost always at a numbers disadvantage!!! U must be referring to one oddball fight late at night Saturday night when some Oceanic guild happened to have numbers. Any other time we struggle to get the numbers we need.

Really? Often when I play, AD and DC outnumber EP O_o. I think gone are the days where DC can be considered the outnumbered faction...

ScooberSteve · October 2016

Not only are ep est na tf outnumbered we have mostly scrubs due to all the good players either changing sides or ditching the campaign completely, not to mention theres no guilds running the nightshift anymore.

maxjapank · October 2016

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Not only are ep est na tf outnumbered we have mostly scrubs due to all the good players either changing sides or ditching the campaign completely, not to mention theres no guilds running the nightshift anymore.

Well, It is what it is. And I get that. But I suspect that there is more talent. It's really the lack of guilds or a player willing to lead and teach. But I do keep my hopes up that red will organize better in the Oceanic time zone so they can put some pressure on yellow.

ScooberSteve · October 2016

Its more fun being the underdog anyway

Manoekin · October 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Not only are ep est na tf outnumbered we have mostly scrubs due to all the good players either changing sides or ditching the campaign completely, not to mention theres no guilds running the nightshift anymore.

Well, It is what it is. And I get that. But I suspect that there is more talent. It's really the lack of guilds or a player willing to lead and teach. But I do keep my hopes up that red will organize better in the Oceanic time zone so they can put some pressure on yellow.

EP does enough of that in primetime, please no.

Pchela · October 2016

maxjapank wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Not only are ep est na tf outnumbered we have mostly scrubs due to all the good players either changing sides or ditching the campaign completely, not to mention theres no guilds running the nightshift anymore.

Well, It is what it is. And I get that. But I suspect that there is more talent. It's really the lack of guilds or a player willing to lead and teach. But I do keep my hopes up that red will organize better in the Oceanic time zone so they can put some pressure on yellow.

One can only 'lead and teach' those who want to learn... most EP want to sit at the [SNIP] bridge.