AuldWolf wrote: »

Proposed Solution: Use the scaling.

Have the game run at a difficulty level of 'Normal' which is soloable. Then, add 'Hard,' 'Very Hard,' 'Extreme', 'Ultimate,' and 'Superior' difficulties to the menu. These just scale the player down, so that they're much weaker. Their armour, for example, just becomes a lot weaker. Their items become weaker, et cetera. And playing on a higher difficulty just gives them bragging rights. But everyone else can play on whatever difficulty they want and still unlock everything.

Play your own way should be important, especially when you're stopping 95~ per cent of the community from playing their own way.

Not trying to be rude at all to you but the game has difficulty already. Technically if you wanted things to be set as hard, you would just remove all CP and run in a green drop set. Or craft a green set.

I just soloed veteran dungeons and world bosses...

2 man group should be able to get it done...

Loving the update. I mean I didn't die to the world boss, but it actually took some time

LiquidSchwartz wrote: »

Hahahhahahahha aside from dueling in town being kinda laggy this update is the best thing to come to ESO

i agree

I love the changes to the World bosses! I am able to still solo some but others are a whomping nightmare - its great. I love having to have few people get together to take one on. Bittergreen (I think) in Deshann was a wipe machine last night.

Abob wrote: »

I usually solo the World bosses, so I can't understand all this crying.

@Abob
Are you saying a level 22 player can solo bosses? I think you are wrong on this point as it is not true. A lot of players can not solo these bosses with 1.3mil health.

AuldWolf wrote: »

The changes ESO is making now mimic the changes that Battleborn and Champions Online made. They appealed to PvP players and hardcore PvE players. There's nothing wrong with those groups, it's just that they aren't the majority. And they certainly aren't cash shop buyers. Changing things to suit these minorities will cost you population, and that will cost you money (rather than make you money). Every single change like this will cost you population and money. These are really silly choices to make. I don't want to see ESO go down the same terrible road that Champions Online did, but I see so many parallels that it's uncanny. No, it's frightening.


@ZOS_GinaBruno

Well, first off, what would you say if OneTamriel had a >50% approval rating? You're argument at that point essentially works AGAINST you, and in your own opinion you should not be catered to. But, let's assume that this isn't true.

Second, You make this argument in almost every thread I see, regarding OneTamriel, and every time I see it, I'm pretty sure someone explains to you how wrong you are. I even took the time to read about these two terrible games you've listed here, and neither of which share any relationship to ESO beyond being MMORPGs. I mean, you even posted links that provide a handful of counterexamples to the connections you're trying to make, here. It's like you didn't even try to read the data and make sense of it.

Let's look at battleborn. You can explain the population shifts in battleborn by looking at it's release date, as most people burn out on other games they've been playing, they try out new ones. Hence the high initial population that decayed in average players from the very first day. At no point did it EVER increase in it's average population.

Let's look at champions online. If you read the blog for this game, you find that it was never able to live up to it's hype of being the same thing that the city of heroes was, and that the only increase in population that this game really ever saw was when the leadership of development changed to a person who previously helped with city of heroes. They also gave away free rainbow flight power (wtf is this anyways?) around the time champions online saw this dramatic increase, which was only a temporary bump, doubling the population FOR A MONTH. From there, the game has progressively lost people. Which, I would bet has to do with the fact that the game isn't like city of heroes, which a lot of the fans were hoping for.

From that information alone, I can suggest to you that your claims that any developer appealing to one specific crowd would reduce the population is utterly misinformed. IF ANYTHING, that move would RETAIN a certain number of players, rather than lose them. The hardcore players are the lifeblood of most games, and they are the players that devs want to keep. Casuals are great, they have a unique perspective, and they generate profits, hence all of the changes made to the game for casual players. But, casuals have a bad side, they are fickle and easily shift from one MMO to another - it's my understanding that this is why so many casuals like free to play games. Most of them don't like games enough to pay for them monthly, whereas hardcore players will. Do casuals make up the majority of the population? Yes. But, do they contribute to the game as much as the hardcore players do? Actually, I would say they both contribute to the quality of the game equally, just in different ways.

Ultimately, I'd bet that it's the restricted/isolated perspective that you're using to reason through your convictions that is making it so damn difficult to understand why adding OneTamriel has been good. What's really frustrating though, is that you aren't really able to interpret the data, so there's really no point in having a conversation with you about it, because any points made against you might not make sense. No offense, seriously. I honestly have no idea what is motivating you to continue arguing this.


EDIT::: Just to clarify, I have a subscription, have been playing since console launch, and intend on continuing to do so. I really enjoy the changes to OneTamriel, as the game previously was too easy. Even with my build from before OneTamriel I am still able to kill most monstes in two or three single target abilities, sometimes in one. I play PvE and PvP; I've already soloed a few of the group craglorn bosses, and have come close to soloing a world boss - as a stage 4 vampire, soloing a xivkyn world boss is a bad idea.

All the epeen measuring with the dueling is a bit annoying in crowded areas...

But as far as the bosses, I am happy they are actually bosses now.

What a selfish presumptuous post.

Darkestnght wrote: »

Abob wrote: »

I usually solo the World bosses, so I can't understand all this crying.

@Abob
Are you saying a level 22 player can solo bosses? I think you are wrong on this point as it is not true. A lot of players can not solo these bosses with 1.3mil health.

@Darkestnght For 300k g, I will solo ten world bosses for you on a Lv10-15 character.

I don't agree with the original post.

I"m not a PvP-er and i consider myself as a casual, although after 1 1/2 years of playing i'm vet 160. Seems casual to me. I have a small group of friends that play with me, but i'm not a guild guy.

So these type of games need play-style balance; things for solo, small groups, large groups, casuals, hard-core, PvEers and PvPers. Most games do NOT try to tackle all these categories.

what do we have with update 12:

If you're a solo person: you have hundreds of story quests. and delves
if you're a small group: you have 4 person Dungeons, Dolmens, World Bosses
if you're a large group: you have Trails and PvP (yes you have to have a large group to PvP in this game)

If you start shifting Dolmens and World Bosses back to the solo category, then you're eliminating things to do for the small group. The game is made for multi-player, you have to allow for that.

Now, as a solo player, will you be able to do EVERYTHING in the game? no. I've never done a Trail, because I don't play with 12 people at once and i don't really like playing with strangers. Thats fine.

susmitds wrote: »

Darkestnght wrote: »

Abob wrote: »

I usually solo the World bosses, so I can't understand all this crying.

@Abob
Are you saying a level 22 player can solo bosses? I think you are wrong on this point as it is not true. A lot of players can not solo these bosses with 1.3mil health.

@Darkestnght For 300k g, I will solo ten world bosses for you on a Lv10-15 character.

@susmitds - you are awesome

O dear.

First, stop assuming the majority of players are your playstyle. There are no numbers to look at who solos, who groups, who pve, who pvp etc. From my perspective most people pvp. Why? Because most of the people I associate and see are pvp players. The problem is people throwing out random numbers saying x number of players do this or that. You have no idea.

And hahaha haha if you think this game caters to PvE elites and pvp players. For one, pvp is heavily neglected in this game and has gotten worse over the years. Not realy much to speak of in terms of content additions. Especially compared to pve. Not to mention the ever swinging pendulum of balance that never can seem to rest somewhere near the center. Although it has been worse imo. Second, many elite players will tell you how dumb down and easy the dungeons have gotten. Not to mention the less and less skill needed to do well especially in pvp.

You complain about changes to world bosses and city populations. THIS IS AN MMO!!! sure there are single player elements and what not etc, but this is ultimately a multi-player game. Your nonesense statistics about people mostly solo etc is inherently false for this main reason.

I would love to see where the. Umber are backing up who is buying crown store items and what not. Guess what, plenty of pvp players buy from crown store. For instance mount upgrades for new characters or heck even mounts. What about the pve group players and pvp ayers that buy DLC for the new dungeons and sets?

This game has plenty to offer to all. So sorry the game is not all solo or have dead cities so you can go rp. You want that then go to one of the dozens of cities people do not go to. So sorry if the way I want to play the game is not the way you want me to play. Get over yourself.

I'm tired of people like you who think they are entitled to the way they want to play at the expense of others. Hey guess what, I pay for this game too. I subscribe, I buy from store, etc. Have been here since beta supporting this game. So GTFO with your nonsense l.

jeevin wrote: »

PvP in towns is annoying but duels have been requested from PC beta. The implementation could use a tweak, maybe to make PvP in towns a crime but frankly it's what a vocal group of players have wanted all along.

I like the idea of Duelling being a crime - (NPC's could get hurt/disturbing the peace/public nuisance) - the guards come running up to fine you both/take away stolen items, etc.

Means people could use a "Let's take this outside (the city), bud!" Emote and go fight outside the town and not disturb people.


Personal note, I had my first duel today - I am a pure Healer, had set up auto-decline until one guy HAD to duel me, please! Beg beg. Fine...I won, he begged me to "try and beat him without healing"
I replied that currently I had a 100% success rate and didn't want to break my streak - so he proceeded to follow me everywhere I went for the next 20 mins until he got bored of my mad research and decon skills.

That's just one person though. Duelling seems fun if kept out of cities or near Dolmens (I don't want to duel when a dark Anchor is crashing down!)