Has every player turned into a toxic jerk? (rant)

Bebopgroove · October 2016

So I'm a humble female player here in the PS4 NA server, DC if that matters. 460CP, if that even matters. Plus subscriber. Lately, I've had a huge gripe with what seems like literally every player I run into happens to be an elitist douchy jerk.

I'm wondering if this is something perhaps console exclusive, or if this is also a problem on pc (idk, because my 10-year old laptop sucks). It's gotten so bad, I have to be cautious about even the guilds I'm in - which btw, I do not recommend joining the [Snip] - if they want to be a bunch of other-alliance hating, sexist elitists, they can do so without me (they quite literally all ganged up on me via text chat when I pointed out one of the members being an item scammer, shouting sexist insults at me and all. Sad times when even your own guild turns on you).

But I run into this alot. Even for being CP460, it's almost as if no one wants to group with you unless you're top-tier CP531+. Which is why I have to rely on guilds more, except I have to be careful even with those (so I guild-hop alot, it's sad).

I consider myself an understanding, mature adult (30yrs old if you care), and I help and assist other players if need be. I don't understand the increase in this douchy bsing attitude, and I feel like it's getting worse. Almost to the point where even the game is no longer enjoyable.

And no you can't have my stuff. (j/k)

[Edit to remove name and shame]

Rohamad_Ali · October 2016

Not everyone is like this but every platform has those people in them . Just ignore and look for respectable guilds on the guild recruitment threads . You will find people tired of negativity too . It just takes a little more effort . Mean people are often louder and more talkative and that's why it seems there are more of them . I have found many of the best players are actually quiet and confident . They don't ramble nonsense to draw attention to themselves .

Elara_Northwind · October 2016

omg, that is shocking that you would recieve such treatment from your own guild! It is a shame that you are in NA, we would have the perfect home for you in our lovely guild of great people, and with almost half of us girls, certainly no sexism!

I think perhaps it is just your server, or maybe I have just been lucky enough not to encounter too much of this! Certainly I have met my fair share or arses in this game but nothing like you have described. Report them!

You paid for this game like everybody else, you deserve to enjoy it without getting abuse from idiots.

AzraelKrieg · October 2016

Sounds like a console issue has I haven't seen anything to that nature occur on PC

Lumenn · October 2016

It's unfortunate but it happens(especially in today's internet age where there are no consequences for said behavior. It's a joke that people were more polite in the wild west days because many people were "packing") but no not everyone is that way. Plenty of people out there who don't have to put others down daily and actually want to have a good time and enjoy the game.

SienneYviete · October 2016

Toxicity and bad attitudes are part of any online game and especially an mmo where accountability for ones actions are non existent and age ranges can vary so much. All I can suggest is you take a step back and ignore the stupidity and toxicity as much as possible and your playtime will be a much more enjoyable experience for doing so. If guild hopping is required to put you in a better place with relate able players then so be it, I know a bunch of people that hopped from guild to guild and finally found a place with my guild where they fit in and are now enjoying the game again.

ConeOfSilence · October 2016

It is generally quite good on P.C you can have conversations with randoms and ppl help you out, of course there are jerks as with everything but overall quite good.

RAGUNAnoOne · October 2016

It is not a console issue it is a people issue there are jerks in both PC gaming and console gaming trust me the ratio is the same. You were just in the wrong guild anyone that gangs up on one person over petty reasons like that is an ass period.

I have been in the Burning Persona for a while and they don't give a *** about alliances gender or CP (they had a run 2 days ago with 2 CP 120s) and chat is very active if you want an invite you can message me @Red_Psylocke or @Macktor

geonsocal · October 2016

I always appreciate when others show their true nature (whether good or bad)...think of it as a positive that you no longer have to interact with those people...it'll just move you one step closer to those whom you do actually share a connection with other than a silly tabbard...

Bebopgroove · October 2016

SadieJoan wrote: »

omg, that is shocking that you would recieve such treatment from your own guild! It is a shame that you are in NA, we would have the perfect home for you in our lovely guild of great people, and with almost half of us girls, certainly no sexism!

I think perhaps it is just your server, or maybe I have just been lucky enough not to encounter too much of this! Certainly I have met my fair share or arses in this game but nothing like you have described. Report them! You paid for this game like everybody else, you deserve to enjoy it without getting abuse from idiots.

It's such a shame that accounts can't be shared or be transferred across servers, otherwise I might spend more time there

Bebopgroove · October 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

It is not a console issue it is a people issue there are jerks in both PC gaming and console gaming trust me the ratio is the same. You were just in the wrong guild anyone that gangs up on one person over petty reasons like that is an ass period.

I have been in the Burning Persona for a while and they don't give a *** about alliances gender or CP (they had a run 2 days ago with 2 CP 120s) and chat is very active if you want an invite you can message me @Red_Psylocke or @Macktor

Thank you for the advice and invite!

Vorcil · October 2016

'So I'm a humble female player here in the PS4 NA server, DC if that matters. 460CP, if that even matters. Plus subscriber. '

Stopped reading there

Solus · October 2016

Bebopgroove wrote: »

So I'm a humble female player here
[Edit to remove name and shame]

Here's a picture of a kitty, people can be dumb, but not all are like this. Keep your head up gurlll!

Magicka_DK · October 2016

No, I've always been one.

bedlom · October 2016

I'm with you there n believe me us guys have to deal with these idiots too.
But sadly there's nothing we can do except take comfort in our own life and assume they struggle to do the same.

LegendaryMage · October 2016

Ever since this game went b2p, the amount of toxic jerks has been increasing slowly but surely. Just wait until it goes f2p, it will all escalate extremely fast when all the 12-13 years old start showing up in mass.

RAGUNAnoOne · October 2016

Bebopgroove wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

It is not a console issue it is a people issue there are jerks in both PC gaming and console gaming trust me the ratio is the same. You were just in the wrong guild anyone that gangs up on one person over petty reasons like that is an ass period.

I have been in the Burning Persona for a while and they don't give a *** about alliances gender or CP (they had a run 2 days ago with 2 CP 120s) and chat is very active if you want an invite you can message me @Red_Psylocke or @Macktor

Thank you for the advice and invite!

Your welcome I can't get on tonight (I shouldn't even be posting here I should be finishing a paper LOL) but I will send the invite after I get home from class tomorrow it should be around one or two if the bus is actually on time tomorrow

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Abeille · October 2016

NA/PC here. A long time ago, in the first trading guild I joined, I was jumped on and threatened when I caught an officer lying to a new member about the requirements to stay in the guild (trying to make them donate more). Note that I didn't even accuse them, I explained it as if the officer had made a simple mistake. But of course, the officer had bank privileges so someone donating more meant said officer had access to more, and they didn't like having someone getting in the way. Anyway, I ended up leaving a while after that happened. Point is, some people are awful.

But trust me, most people are on the okay-ish to good spectrum. For every awful person that I met in the game, I met dozens of other people who are really great. Total strangers on The Rift zone chat that helped me get my Ysgramor pieces (I love you guys so much), all the people who joined me on telling skeleton puns during this festival, the guys in Orsinium that wait until everybody from the group arrives before killing ogres and rescuing prisoners, it's great.

WhoThenNow7 · October 2016

geonsocal wrote: »

I always appreciate when others show their true nature (whether good or bad)...think of it as a positive that you no longer have to interact with those people...it'll just move you one step closer to those whom you do actually share a connection with other than a silly tabbard...

@geonsocal This is good advice for both in and outside of the game... Thanks for that.

Volrion · October 2016

It's definitely gotten worse as the game matures and we are left with only the serious players.

It also depends on what you're doing.

Pvp is pretty toxic at times, and end-game PVE is very elitist.

I don't quest, but when I'm in those areas (Rift/Orsinium etc.) I always find RPers having a great time and just enjoying themselves.

The stress of the RNG gear grind *** with people's heads, I think. A lot of frustrated virgins in zone chat these days.

With that said, you still find some great groups using LFG.

Whenever you have a good PUG run with good people, my advice is to friend them and build yourself a nice small network of quality people.

Solus · October 2016

SourishWhale wrote: »

It's definitely gotten worse as the game matures and we are left with only the serious players.

It also depends on what you're doing.

Pvp is pretty toxic at times, and end-game PVE is very elitist.

I don't quest, but when I'm in those areas (Rift/Orsinium etc.) I always find RPers having a great time and just enjoying themselves

The stress of the gear grind *** with people heads, I think. A lot of frustrated virgins in zone chat these days.

With that said, you still find some great groups using LFG.

Whenever you have a good PUG run with good people, my advice is to friend them and build yourself a nice small network of quality people.

I second this.

phairdon · October 2016

Slightly more noticeable on NA-PC now, after One Tamriel dropped. Put on player on ignore yesterday, who felt the need to throw random insults inside a delve, and I mean random as they were not whispered but typed into zone chat. This is not common though, thank goodness.

ArchMikem · October 2016

People are easily lured into Evil when given the opportunity without the fear of consequences. It's an unfortunate truth that can't be changed. As long as there is a free internet and the belief of Anonymity, there will be Evil people.

Stoopid_Nwah · October 2016

Same deal on Xbox, also coming from a female mid-20's perspective. I got emp awhile ago and an entire guild of guys became extremely rude (assuming jealous), went as far as telling any new players they found in pvp to never res me, give away my position to enemy groups, etc. because they said I was a *****. The funny thing is, when I got emp I actually gave out gold, tripots, thousands of repair kits, and siege to every single person that was in that last keep with me, including twenty or so people from their guild. So I'm very sorry to hear you also had to deal with a less than welcoming guild experience.

I want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and say that many have grown irritated in general with the direction of the game and so they just take it out on everyone, but I won't excuse the blatant sexism that occurs.

There are tons of great people in game that I've met and it's always awesome to run into friendly people when grouping with randoms or running around the sewers, but recently I decided to take a break. It was just feeling more like a chore dealing with all of the toxicity; I can't believe how different it has become compared to console launch. Maybe I just grew bored of running maelstrom for the 800th time though

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acw37162 · October 2016

The extra health on the bosses has in some cases exposed mid toe players used to just out DPS into mechanics.

The resulting wipes and of course blame could not possible be on these people.

They handle the stress and failure with all the grace and dignity of baby giraffe.

No the whole game is not like that, sorry about your guild mates being turncoates sounds like the don't like being called out either.

BlanketFort · October 2016

Hmm, female player here as well (XB1 EU) and I sympathise with you. I know the feeling well from my sexist co-workers (for working in a field that is predominantly male-inhabited).
It's tough and one knows that the thing to do is to simply ignore them and carry on, but that's all easier said than done, as the negative feelings stick for quite a while. My only advice is to not take it personally, but we all know how such remarks can take a real damaging hold on your dignity, self-esteem, etc. especially because they are attacking an attribute of yours (gender) that you have no control over. I can only wish you the best and hope that your encounter with these situations lessen over time.

As far as elitism goes, I have only experienced it through pre-emptive kicks off the group (the group JUST formed and we got ported to dungeon. Seconds later I'll get kicked off). And that still happens on Normal dungeons (I know better than to queue for vet on 160ish CP).

And guilds? Hopeless. I'm in a social guild claiming to be helpful and all, but every time I ask around for Normal pledges, I get pretty much the same response "we'd rather be doing vet. Your CP is too low. Try your luck with Activity Finder", while a valid response, it is still disheartening to hear it from your own guildies that no one would take the time to do a 15min normal dungeon run. I've been long on the search for a decent social guild, where BiS/Meta pressure is not as strong and doesn't only cater to max CP players. But no luck, so far. Talking in my guild has also brought no positive results. It seems that the core guildies have already established their regular "buddies" and every other newcomer gets mostly ignored. One feels really left out. I start to wonder what the point of being in a social guild is, at all.

EDIT: I forgot to mention the one time where I queued up for A random normal. Group was soon after formed and we ported. We were all around the same level save for one over 300 CP. everything was going great. Adds we're going down fast, bosses were more than manageable and we hadn't had any deaths. By the time we got to Selene, I asked through voice chat what mechanics I should look out for (it was my first time doing Selene). One guy answered and asked "are you a girl" I said yes, I am. And then I was kicked. Just. Like. That.

Sigma957 · October 2016

I'm in a pretty easy laid back guild, pity you weren't on pc or I could invite you

It is a shame that there are people/guilds out there that are not playing eso just for fun.

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

A lot (and I do mean a lot) of people on ESO are appearing to be: Disrespectful, inconsiderate, obnoxious, and rude. And it's not just in-game either, as the forums shows this right and left. It's literally like a sudden explosions of negativity and toxicity erupted, and people said F it and submitted to it. ESO is becoming more and more like League of Legends and World of Warcraft in regards to toxicity and negativity within the community, and it feels like ZOS isn't doing much to combat it. Hopefully something is done about it, and soon. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

reclaimervii.sierra117ub17_ESO · October 2016

Bebopgroove wrote: »

So I'm a humble female player here in the PS4 NA server, DC if that matters. 460CP, if that even matters. Plus subscriber. Lately, I've had a huge gripe with what seems like literally every player I run into happens to be an elitist douchy jerk.

I'm wondering if this is something perhaps console exclusive, or if this is also a problem on pc (idk, because my 10-year old laptop sucks). It's gotten so bad, I have to be cautious about even the guilds I'm in - which btw, I do not recommend joining the [Snip] - if they want to be a bunch of other-alliance hating, sexist elitists, they can do so without me (they quite literally all ganged up on me via text chat when I pointed out one of the members being an item scammer, shouting sexist insults at me and all. Sad times when even your own guild turns on you).

But I run into this alot. Even for being CP460, it's almost as if no one wants to group with you unless you're top-tier CP531+. Which is why I have to rely on guilds more, except I have to be careful even with those (so I guild-hop alot, it's sad).

I consider myself an understanding, mature adult (30yrs old if you care), and I help and assist other players if need be. I don't understand the increase in this douchy bsing attitude, and I feel like it's getting worse. Almost to the point where even the game is no longer enjoyable.

And no you can't have my stuff. (j/k)

[Edit to remove name and shame]

If you dont find it enjoyable my best advice would be to just stop and start new somewhere else. Try looking for new guilds or take a break from the game.

The gaming community is toxic in general

sourceroni · October 2016

I just started playing like 3 weeks ago ago and so far most people have been pretty cool.. I'm playing on PC though.. I've noticed though that in general with a lot of games people who play on console tend to be younger and/or a lot more immature than PC gamers.. of course there is *** that use PC too but it seems theres a lot more on the console.

altemriel · October 2016

Bebopgroove wrote: »

So I'm a humble female player here in the PS4 NA server, DC if that matters. 460CP, if that even matters. Plus subscriber. Lately, I've had a huge gripe with what seems like literally every player I run into happens to be an elitist douchy jerk.

I'm wondering if this is something perhaps console exclusive, or if this is also a problem on pc (idk, because my 10-year old laptop sucks). It's gotten so bad, I have to be cautious about even the guilds I'm in - which btw, I do not recommend joining the [Snip] - if they want to be a bunch of other-alliance hating, sexist elitists, they can do so without me (they quite literally all ganged up on me via text chat when I pointed out one of the members being an item scammer, shouting sexist insults at me and all. Sad times when even your own guild turns on you).

But I run into this alot. Even for being CP460, it's almost as if no one wants to group with you unless you're top-tier CP531+. Which is why I have to rely on guilds more, except I have to be careful even with those (so I guild-hop alot, it's sad).

I consider myself an understanding, mature adult (30yrs old if you care), and I help and assist other players if need be. I don't understand the increase in this douchy bsing attitude, and I feel like it's getting worse. Almost to the point where even the game is no longer enjoyable.

And no you can't have my stuff. (j/k)

[Edit to remove name and shame]

leave that guild, find a better one (keywords in the guild description: mature, friendly, relaxed), use ignore list on those people, report them to ZOS in the game, that is the only thing you can do.

of course there are also toxic people on PC too, but that is the things that you can do against it