Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Also, Group damage was purposely disabled. Only way you know if you are pulling more than the next guy is if everyone has damage sharing on FTC enabled (which is not always reliable) or everyone was posting damage in chat (maybe they did).

There is an addon (Combat metrics) that will allow players to see not only how much damage they have done, but what buffs and debuffs were on them and what healing they received. They will also get a percentage of damage they dealt during the fight. It isn't always accurate though and some people just flat read it wrong. Sad thing is they get that and are using the numbers to kick people. It is a real good addon though for people that just want to use it to improve their rotation.

Going on a tangent I have since the update run into people that were used to running dungeons with no problem now getting thumped and blaming it on everybody else in the group. I was healing a group and the tank kept getting one shotted. The boss had a large AOE and I was standing outside of it. I could still cover the entire group with my entire rotation and didn't have to worry about stopping healing to roll out of the red. He kept getting one shotted though and blamed it on me not standing near enough to him. The boss was hitting more than double what his health was so me being closer wasn't going to do anything other than get us both dead. He kept saying I run this dungeon all the time so I know it isn't my build. We couldn't convince him the dynamics had changed and he couldn't just stand there and block any more. So we all went in and stood by the tank, died then left group. Sad thing is other than him being stubborn we had a really good group and that fight should have been no real problem. If he could have kicked me he would have because obviously him getting one shotted was all based on where I was standing while healing.

Chrysa1is wrote: »

I literally started the Banished Cells II Pledge. And I got asked to stop spamming the bow skill Focused Aim, and just for the record. I don't stand there using the move, I use other moves as well. After beating Maw of the Infernal. I got told to stop using it, then one member passed the crown to the guy complaining and I got removed from the group.

Basically, I got removed for using a move someone else didn't like because I was apparently doing bad dps.

Has it really gotten to the stage where you get told how to play the game and what skills you can use? Almost like a ''My way, or the highway'' thing.

What are your thoughts on this?

@Chrysa1is

These people are parrots, they have little to offer other than repeating word for word whatever streamer they watched claims.

As shown here you can pull 37k dps while using Focused aim as a main spammable, not that you were but its very possible and well within the range of acceptable numbers. Unfortunately there are POS in this game that believe you must do things their way or get booted.

You could be doing 10k less damage just using WB and they would probably never notice you, or boot you. Simply because you were in melee and they were focused on their actions.

Players in this game often fail to recognize the difference between smart damage and pure numbers. Smart damage is what gets you through things like VMA, killing the right targets at the right time and managing burst and sustain.

Being able to sustain aoe dps for 10+ seconds is irrelevant if the adds are not alive for 10+ seconds, having great AOE damage is irrelevant if your group is not stacking the adds appropriately. Being able to sustain 30k+ on a stationary target is irrelevant if the boss is constantly on the move. Being able to sustain 30k dps is irrelevant if you need 40k for 10s or you wipe, either you can reach the 40k bar or not.

These elitist will always exist but they are only made worse by ZOS's adamant attitude toward concealing numbers and game mechanics.

Essentially it sucks for those who don't wish to follow the current "meta", but really you don't want to support or play with that garbage anyways.

[edited for bypassing the profanity filter]

I don't understand why they'd hate you using a hard-hitting range move that's fine on using on a boss that almost HAS to be ranged. If it was the ONLY move you were using, I can see the problem. Dropping poison injection and endless hail on em before you use focused aim will improve your deeps. Also, if you have issues with prudes like this, don't pug dungeons anymore.

susmitds wrote: »

Focused Aim is bad, huh?

Yes, comparatively, my Surprise attack does 11-12k each hit, the difference is 3.2 DPS

Francescolg wrote: »

@Chrysa1is
I'm a healer and I'd never kick a bow user but always remember use poison arrow and enless hail together, then you do it the right way. Get the Srendarr Addon (buff addon), so you can keep both DoTs up. This way you learn the right way.

Put people who show "Trump like behaviour" immediately on ignore-list, so you don't meet them again. There're just a lot of them Healers have no problems healing you on distance but, on certain fights, you have to get close in the healer circle/field, because of the fight's mechanics. You'll be told so by any good healer. (like in trials)
Otherwise you can play on distance, just pay attention to the mechanics sometimes.

When I heal I don't mind ranged attackers getting away from the fight. I don't like when they stand behind me. For some reason a lot of players doing ranged attacks think that behind the healer is the best place to be. I want to be able to see them just because it is easier to send a healing springs their way when needed. Also skills like Combat Prayer only targets the characters in front of the healer. I usually ask them to get a little in front of me or on the opposite side of the boss. Then I'll get closer if I need to. Would never kick a player for staying behind me, but I might let them die once and tell them it was because I couldn't see them. I hate getting out of rotation to throw out a breath of life simply because I couldn't see the person that is going down.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

This game has no room for people who want to play as archers

This, Zos has neglected archers for so long its pointless to use a bow for just about anything in the game except ganking,

But even that isn't viable as long as you aren't fighting a potato you can hear the arrow comming and avoid it.

Guess you have no clue about playing a stamina dps then, because all have Endless Hail and Poison Injection on their off-bar.

BC2 is as easy as it gets, who cares what you run. However if you were in my group and we were doing a dungeon that requires a minimum amount of DPS to actually progress and we were hitting a wall, you'd get a bootin'.

A tip though if you're on PC, get a dps meter of some sort. If you can show to the group that you can do around 20k dps in a boss fight there's no reason to kick you. It's not great but it's good enough for all vet dungeons. Maybe vRoM would be an exception.

Dungeons should really be balanced around 3 DPS and not just 2.

Also, allowing group DPS meters will sort this sort of crap out.

I think even if your team mates are "something right" they should not be so unfriendly and kick you out.

I think is about comprension, for one side you should try to understand why they say "don't use it" and try to swap to what the team would like/need you to use.

From the other side your team mates have to understand that not every player are the same, know everything and do it perfect like any other, that's why better to kick is to be tolerant and explain why they don't want you use that skill.

Everything is about respect, hear each other and play in team.

That's why my idea of : https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/298595/remove-skill-points-from-the-game/p1

It would fit perfect in this kind of situation.

I also got kickt for using Bow.

While I mostly use single bow skils to pick off te healers in the back then go for de AoE and DoT's.

And for most Bosses i only open with bow en switch to DW.

Then you have those F##kers that kick you just before the final Boss.

If you get kicked because of using Bow and Snipe, it just means that those people are aware that they are bad and they are looking for someone to carry them through the dungeon...Thus, it doesn't mean that you are bad, just that you are not the right role model in their eyes...

This doesn't mean I personally agree with their approach, but I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here..

It was their group and they were in their 'right' to kick you out of it. The only thing you can do is look for another group or set up a group of your own.