Friends giving up on ESO after Maelstrom, anyone else?

WalksonGraves · October 2016

Lol you don't need VMA weapons as non dps classes and even within that category afaik the only essential is dw & bow.

As a tank I'd rather have a set bonus than hp on piercing strike.

Armitas · October 2016

When it released I rage quit the game for 3 months after 8 hours straight of it. After coming back I did it a number of times and the more I do it the less I log into the game. There is something about that dungeon that makes me want to play the game less and less.

UppGRAYxDD · October 2016

Gimme your stuff, and your friends stuff

Wizzo91 · October 2016

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Serious, there's a bunch of thing to left ESO for, but because of Maelstorm? I kind need to agree with @old_mufasa here. Back in the old days we used to farm one month or even two, for the gear we wanted/needed. ESO is already very casual oriented and getting a good gear for end game content barely needs any grinding, don't make it into some Hello Kitty Online (yeah, it does exist HKO).

It is not only vMA RNG, in general it is terrible in this game.

At least here in ESO another player cannot loot your gear..

Just imagine farming for days/weeks/months to get your gear then I kill you in PvP and then loot your corpse of your VMA weapon... We could do that in Asherons Call.. So be happy you only have to deal with RNG..

Also I will give you some credit here.. The RNG might be a little strong in this game, but it makes finally getting that sharpened weapon that much better.

I only say that for VMA. If anyone comes in here crying about drops from dungeons then I will just laugh at them! There is nothing wrong with dungeon drops.. I have geared out all my characters and yes it took some time to get the full divines/Infused exactly the way I wanted it,but that is why we are all here.. To kill monsters and take their stuff! Just because I cannot get exactly what I want after the first kill or even the 2 or 3rd shouldn't bother any of us..

We are all here because we have extra time on our hands after all.....

I had to run 100+ FG1 to get my BiS Viper schield. I literlly can solo the Dungeon on Vet. Why make players Go through that tiresome Grind. You can't tell me anybody enjoys that. If you do, something seriously wrong with you.

Just stop talking until you have a valuable argument.

Callous2208 · October 2016

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Serious, there's a bunch of thing to left ESO for, but because of Maelstorm? I kind need to agree with @old_mufasa here. Back in the old days we used to farm one month or even two, for the gear we wanted/needed. ESO is already very casual oriented and getting a good gear for end game content barely needs any grinding, don't make it into some Hello Kitty Online (yeah, it does exist HKO).

It is not only vMA RNG, in general it is terrible in this game.

At least here in ESO another player cannot loot your gear..

Just imagine farming for days/weeks/months to get your gear then I kill you in PvP and then loot your corpse of your VMA weapon... We could do that in Asherons Call.. So be happy you only have to deal with RNG..

Also I will give you some credit here.. The RNG might be a little strong in this game, but it makes finally getting that sharpened weapon that much better.

I only say that for VMA. If anyone comes in here crying about drops from dungeons then I will just laugh at them! There is nothing wrong with dungeon drops.. I have geared out all my characters and yes it took some time to get the full divines/Infused exactly the way I wanted it,but that is why we are all here.. To kill monsters and take their stuff! Just because I cannot get exactly what I want after the first kill or even the 2 or 3rd shouldn't bother any of us..

We are all here because we have extra time on our hands after all.....

I had to run 100+ FG1 to get my BiS Viper schield. I literlly can solo the Dungeon on Vet. Why make players Go through that tiresome Grind. You can't tell me anybody enjoys that. If you do, something seriously wrong with you.

Just stop talking until you have a valuable argument.

If someone did enjoy that or at the very least didn't mind it, who are you to say something is wrong with them? Shoulda run that dungeon with a group of friends, 4x the chance at the shield. I also don't buy your 100+ claim. Just stop talking until you have a valuable argument.

jeremiah911 · October 2016

There was a thread a few weeks back that talked about Undaunted chest drop rates in which @ZOS_RichLambert showed data on the drop rate % based on traits. In the end, the drop rate was something like 12.5% for each trait in the loot table, which showed some of the RNG claims by players were extremely exaggerated.

I wish @ZOS_RichLambert would publish the same weapon/trait %drop data for vMA. I can only assume these RNG claims are really as bad as some of the players who claim "ive run vMA +1000 times without a sharpened inferno", or these stories are extremely over exaggerated as @ZOS_RichLambert proved in the Undaunted chest drop rates thread.

Wizzo91 · October 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Serious, there's a bunch of thing to left ESO for, but because of Maelstorm? I kind need to agree with @old_mufasa here. Back in the old days we used to farm one month or even two, for the gear we wanted/needed. ESO is already very casual oriented and getting a good gear for end game content barely needs any grinding, don't make it into some Hello Kitty Online (yeah, it does exist HKO).

It is not only vMA RNG, in general it is terrible in this game.

At least here in ESO another player cannot loot your gear..

Just imagine farming for days/weeks/months to get your gear then I kill you in PvP and then loot your corpse of your VMA weapon... We could do that in Asherons Call.. So be happy you only have to deal with RNG..

Also I will give you some credit here.. The RNG might be a little strong in this game, but it makes finally getting that sharpened weapon that much better.

I only say that for VMA. If anyone comes in here crying about drops from dungeons then I will just laugh at them! There is nothing wrong with dungeon drops.. I have geared out all my characters and yes it took some time to get the full divines/Infused exactly the way I wanted it,but that is why we are all here.. To kill monsters and take their stuff! Just because I cannot get exactly what I want after the first kill or even the 2 or 3rd shouldn't bother any of us..

We are all here because we have extra time on our hands after all.....

I had to run 100+ FG1 to get my BiS Viper schield. I literlly can solo the Dungeon on Vet. Why make players Go through that tiresome Grind. You can't tell me anybody enjoys that. If you do, something seriously wrong with you.

Just stop talking until you have a valuable argument.

If someone did enjoy that or at the very least didn't mind it, who are you to say something is wrong with them? Shoulda run that dungeon with a group of friends, 4x the chance at the shield. I also don't buy your 100+ claim. Just stop talking until you have a valuable argument.

Of course I did it with friends. And it was above 100 Times....

jeremiah911 wrote: »

There was a thread a few weeks back that talked about Undaunted chest drop rates in which @ZOS_RichLambert showed data on the drop rate % based on traits. In the end, the drop rate was something like 12.5% for each trait in the loot table, which showed some of the RNG claims by players were extremely exaggerated.

I wish @ZOS_RichLambert would publish the same weapon/trait %drop data for vMA. I can only assume these RNG claims are really as bad as some of the players who claim "ive run vMA +1000 times without a sharpened inferno", or these stories are extremely over exaggerated as @ZOS_RichLambert proved in the Undaunted chest drop rates thread.

Thats the thing with RNG, some will get lucky, some will never get what they want. I would also like to see the sheet for vMA published @ZOS_RichLambert.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

There are many reasons I consider leaving, and likely might have done if my xbox had a greater library or another game my PC could run came out that did ESO's action style of combat better.

The first is the DPS nation thing this game has got going. Maelstrom arena is a great example of it. Do you wanna be able to even get Maelstrom weapons? You need high DPS. It's the rich get richer, DPS version. But this isn't so bad because I'm a tank main.

Which brings me to my next problem. Tanks do things the Wrobel way or not at all, dedicating all their build potential to maintaining block twenty four seven. Saptanks are the only viable alternative and I had to find that out when I played way back before Imperial city which nerved my favorite spec, build, and made me quit the game. When I came back, trials and content were released and tanks had slowly got nerfed over the course of many patches. The end result? You do things the Wrobel way, being a wall, and not being able to do anything else, or not at all.

Then there's the lack of direction for building and no pointers or tips. When a guide is practically required to play your game in any aspect, you have done something wrong. When in order to function in content, not just compete, like cradle of shadows which your allowed to pug in group finder, you have *** up your fundemental design to the point of weeping hilarity.

This is to say nothing of the eight hour matinences and all that.

If there was a viable alternative, even something like say, Overwatch on console, I would be gone. My role and any engaging gameplay potential it ever had, with a damage rotation and reactionary gameplay, has been slashed and burned to be this thing that blocks all the damn time. If my current build which mercifully can do most of the content, becomes unviable I will likely quit this game and never look back until they stop this pidgeon holing with no information.

TLDR: ESO''s meta and tactics have sprung up independant of the developers, and the way they want us to do things as support roles is dull as dishwater. When ESO starts giving us fun ways to tank besides sitting there, blocking, thinking about my own mortality rate, or starts giving us tips how to not completely *** up our build for DPS, I will stop actively looking for an alternative to this game. Maelstrom is just a temple to broken design, and it only stands out because of the demands it makes of people who have no idea how to build characters, because the game wont give them any hints, and punishes them harshly when they dont figure it out.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2016

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Lol you don't need VMA weapons as non dps classes and even within that category afaik the only essential is dw & bow.

As a tank I'd rather have a set bonus than hp on piercing strike.

Yeah, magic DPS can pull 40-50k on VMOL bosses without VMA weapons. At this point, the VMA inferno staff is typically a backbar weapon to buff your front bar light attacks. That being said, it is more DPS (about 2K), so the min/maxer will want one.

The Stam weapons are a different story (DW and Bow). It's tough to be competitive on long fights without them. In short fights and VMA, you are probably better off using crafted DW weapons and a monster set. Otherwise it is undisputed that these are best in slot.

The Resto staff is nice, but not game-changing by any stretch. Because most healers do run two 5-piece sets, they often have a dead slot in their weapons, which makes VMA and Master staffs appealing. Personally, I think the Master staff is better, especially if healing on a non templar.

2Handers. Great in PVP. Not much else to say.

Dont get me started on the sword and board. The shields are totally f'ing useless because they dont match the sword. There was such an opportunity for a great two piece tanking set and they blew it. I know of nobody that runs either of these weapons. I have like a dozen gold shields that I keep as a reminder of the the suck that is VMA.

Pops_ND_Irish · October 2016

ZOS should be ashamed. I am willing to make a sacrifice for all !
I will be willing to take all gold and mats from anyone that wants to leave game for good on PS4

That's just the nice guy I am

Malamar1229 · October 2016

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

You should really check out BDO to see what a good game looks like. Feel free to shoot me a private message. Chances are, your friends are in my guild.

Who are you trying to kid? BDO is a korean grindfest that rewards no lifers. I've played. Many of us have. Ezareth, who was a huge proponent of that game and used to be a well known sorc here, wrote up a lengthy article about it on their forums....about how bad it is.

Voxicity · October 2016

I love vMSA

Really challenging content, requires a lot of time and patience, but is very rewarding and makes you feel accomplished when you finally beat it

Then the downwards slope starts. You complete it again, and beat your last score

You complete it again, in under an hour

You complete it again, and get on leaderboards

By that point there's not much else to strive for except the weapons which are quite frankly some of the most broken rng in any game I have ever played

I no longer play vMSA regularly, even though I don't have BiS weapons with perfect traits, I refuse to play it until they add a token system or fix the god awful rng somewhow

Junipus · October 2016

I'd rather spend my time in vMA than suffer some of the attitudes here in game.

Pallio · October 2016

RNG is making me burn out on this game, either make crafted gear better or let us use in game gold/crown to trade in the rediculous drops for something actually useful ie token system.

RinaldoGandolphi · October 2016

I don't mind running VMA. I have many clears...if i didn't take 5 minutes breaks between rounds to walk around, get a drink, etc i'd have higher scores...the content is more about just being patient and learning how to deal with multiple mechanics at a time rather then it being hard.

that being said I am nearing the end of my runs as i doubt i'll ever get a usable weapon. My Magic Sorc has received more Powered Swords then should even be possible...useless Swords and Shields make up 90% of my chest drops..I have only seen one Destro Staff...a Defending Ice Staff and that was before they polluted the loot table.

I have a friend who has been on the weekly every week since a week after Orsinium launch and probably has close to 1000 clears and has never seen a Maelstrom Inferno Staff in a usable trait...thats just ridiculous...I don't even think you can call it RNG at that point...he has pretty much given up on the arena completely. Thats a shame too.

I don't think people should get their weapon on the 1st clip, but there has to be some balance here...i'd rather not get a weapon drop at all from the last chest then to get an staff in a useless trait I can't use...i'd rather get nothing...its more infuriating to get a useless weapon then to get no weapon at all...just my 2 cents.

I'll most likely clear VMA again tonight and get another Powered Sword to add to my collection...I have gotten and deconed a lot of those....and those Well-Fitted sheilds....par for the course for me.

Rohamad_Ali · October 2016

This is what worries me about buying Orsinium . All these vma rage posts . How could one dungeon ruin an entire game ?

Junipus · October 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

I don't mind running VMA. I have many clears...if i didn't take 5 minutes breaks between rounds to walk around, get a drink, etc i'd have higher scores...the content is more about just being patient and learning how to deal with multiple mechanics at a time rather then it being hard.

that being said I am nearing the end of my runs as i doubt i'll ever get a usable weapon. My Magic Sorc has received more Powered Swords then should even be possible...useless Swords and Shields make up 90% of my chest drops..I have only seen one Destro Staff...a Defending Ice Staff and that was before they polluted the loot table.

I have a friend who has been on the weekly every week since a week after Orsinium launch and probably has close to 1000 clears and has never seen a Maelstrom Inferno Staff in a usable trait...thats just ridiculous...I don't even think you can call it RNG at that point...he has pretty much given up on the arena completely. Thats a shame too.

I don't think people should get their weapon on the 1st clip, but there has to be some balance here...i'd rather not get a weapon drop at all from the last chest then to get an staff in a useless trait I can't use...i'd rather get nothing...its more infuriating to get a useless weapon then to get no weapon at all...just my 2 cents.

I'll most likely clear VMA again tonight and get another Powered Sword to add to my collection...I have gotten and deconed a lot of those....and those Well-Fitted sheilds....par for the course for me.

Primary source of my dwemer frames, although I've noticed with higher scores I get more staves in 2nd and 3rd BiS traits but I think it's just RNG luck waiting to run out.

Stamden · October 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

My pvp friends however, specially the magicka DK's tend to quit ESO for BDO and return after 3 months.

I wonder why..

I pray for the day that magika (specifically caster) DKs are viable in PvP

failkiwib16_ESO · October 2016

Birdovic wrote: »

@failkiwib16_ESO
I will never understand whats so great about BDO, altmer.
I tried it when it released and really. It was boring af to me o.o

@Birdovic hi muffin, sorry I didn't reply earlier.... and now that I know you've played BDO, I've got a legit reason to punish you

come here little dunmber

LegendaryArcher · October 2016

I will never understand why someone quits BDO in its current state and comes back to ESO. The only reason I see is if someone is a lot into the Elder Scrolls lore and doesn't care about competitive gameplay whatsoever.

Absolutely everything is better in BDO than in ESO, from graphics to combat system. It has so much depth, is much bigger, crafters can build up their own crafting empires. There is so much to do. The PvP is huge, on the land and the sea. And the RNG is fair - there's bad luck protection!

Yes, if you just wanna fight, and don't like crafting/harvesting, you'll have to fight quite a bit to get BiS gear (either through drops or making money in game). But everyone has to do it! Not like with ZOS where the best players get BiS weapons for some time and then no one will get them anymore because - *** you, loyal players.

Someone even mentioned P2W in BDO. There is absolutely nothing you can buy for real money that will make you stronger in-game. Same as in ESO, it's just cosmetics. The only difference is that you can buy ESO gold on any gold selling website (EpicNPC, PlayerAuctions, etc.). BDO, on the other hand, not that much. Why? Because they're Korean and don't give a damn about US Laws. You do buy gold, you get a perma ban. You sell gold, you get a perma ban. You do shady stuff, YOU have to prove your innocence to be unbanned. You hack, guess what happens? What happens in ESO? We all know. Just go to Cyrodiil to find out.

Bobby_V_Rockit · October 2016

Is it any easier now that we all have 561cp?

Junipus · October 2016

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Is it any easier now that we all have 561cp?

Had a guildie get Flawless Conqueror at 481CP, so being at CP cap doesn't really make it any easier. Practice makes it easier.

Digiman · October 2016

Didn't they aim to make the loot drop smarter with One tamriel or was the DLC excluded?

Lord_Eomer · October 2016

I gave up too, its giving me headache than anything else..

Pops_ND_Irish · October 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

I gave up too, its giving me headache than anything else..

Lava_Croft · October 2016

Digiman wrote: »

Didn't they aim to make the loot drop smarter with One tamriel or was the DLC excluded?

They indeed aimed for it, but as we all know the people at ZOS are terrible marks(wo)men.

CultOfMMO · October 2016

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Is it any easier now that we all have 561cp?

IMO anyone who waits until max cp for their first clear will probably be disappointed by how little difference it makes if you dont have a half decent understanding of the arena in the first place.

First clear is literally just about time commitment, any half decent gear and build can do it at cp160+. Better gear, better build, and better cp only makes it faster in subsequent runs, it doesnt matter in the first clear.

EsoRecon · October 2016

alephthiago wrote: »

So in the last 2 months 3 of my friends gave up on the game after maelstrom, these were people that would run dungeons with me everyday, farm together to gear up one or another and give mats, lend money and stuff like that, AKA, real partners.
One day we even rolled new noobs in the opposite faction(everyone was cp 400+) only to fight in other campaigns and laugh a LOT! lol
Well, these guys never cared for maelstrom but each one of them went more or less the same path in different occasions...starting maelstrom, staying whole days there, getting the weapon (always the wrong one with **** traits) and soon after....leaving the game...
Now i dont blame maelstrom for that, but everyone is going the same way, is anyone else experiencing the same thing?

ok you have problems if you do that. so you're buds quit because they didn't get the trait they wanted from vma? lol bunch of cry babies.

DeadlyRecluse · October 2016

KaiVox22 wrote: »

I love vMSA

Really challenging content, requires a lot of time and patience, but is very rewarding and makes you feel accomplished when you finally beat it

Then the downwards slope starts. You complete it again, and beat your last score

You complete it again, in under an hour

You complete it again, and get on leaderboards

By that point there's not much else to strive for except the weapons which are quite frankly some of the most broken rng in any game I have ever played

I no longer play vMSA regularly, even though I don't have BiS weapons with perfect traits, I refuse to play it until they add a token system or fix the god awful rng somewhow

This is on the money, IMO.

vMA, as content, is great.

As a grind for gear, it's miserable. Plan around not having it, and adjust if you get lucky, or wait for a token system (unlikely), or grind your fingers down the the first joint.

But as content, learning it the first time is one of the more intrinsically rewarding challenges in the game, despite the RNGscrew on some rounds.