It's a place to challenge your solo skills, why would you quit over an irrelevant side venture?

AoDD33pfri3d wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

It's not just Maelstrom causing people to rage quit, it's the RNG in this game. It just affects Maelstrom even worse because getting the right weapon with the trait you want seems near impossible, and to get it you have to run the same arena over and over again. It's not like farming normal dungeons either - Maelstrom is hard af, unless you're a magicka build with juicy shields, or Andy S.

Welcome to rng if they don't like the rng then they shouldn't be playing and coming here complaining how bad rng is cause you didn't get what you want, here's a ideal. Option one keep grinding like everyone else option 2 just quit and stop complaining how bad it is

@AoDD33pfri3d I detest people like you.

You are the typical person that is against change and progression. The old guy in the company who does not welcome new technologies, to name an example.

It is not complaining, it is valid critique with valid arguments. I have not read ONE argumentation that is pro *** RNG System. Everybody I talk to agrees.

EDIT: Oh yea, don't be simple minded. There is always another option.

If your friends leave over not being able to do one or two things out of the multiple things to do in this game they were on the way out anyways..

If you think VMA was the only thing keeping them here you are lying to yourself !

There needs to be something in this game for dedicated players to work for...

The game caters too much to the CasualScrolls player as it is.

RNG is killing the game experience, challenging content is great, forced redundancy is boring and frustrating.

WalksonGraves wrote: »

It's a place to challenge your solo skills, why would you quit over an irrelevant side venture?

It's not a side venture. You cannot be competitive without vMA weapons. They make a huge difference in your performance. A raid with vMA weapons and a raid without will make a 20k+ difference in vMoL score, everything else kept equal (skill, luck/deaths, etc.).

I wanna see you get a 570k+ vMA score without vMA weapons.

AoDD33pfri3d wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

It's not just Maelstrom causing people to rage quit, it's the RNG in this game. It just affects Maelstrom even worse because getting the right weapon with the trait you want seems near impossible, and to get it you have to run the same arena over and over again. It's not like farming normal dungeons either - Maelstrom is hard af, unless you're a magicka build with juicy shields, or Andy S.

Welcome to rng if they don't like the rng then they shouldn't be playing and coming here complaining how bad rng is cause you didn't get what you want, here's a ideal. Option one keep grinding like everyone else option 2 just quit and stop complaining how bad it is

Everyone else? If it was this way, sure. Fact is, all competitive players have gotten their fancy vMA weapons before Dark Brotherhood in Sharpened. Only after giving out Sharpened vMA weapons like candy for months they added all the *** traits to the loot table and made it impossible for the newer (or very unlucky older) players to get them.

old_mufasa wrote: »

What the hell.. what are you going to do in game if you are just handed the BiS out of the door... the whole point of RNG is the carrot on the stick... some how you think if you are handed the best gear in the game right away that's going make things better...

No, but I think the system is flawed when there are a bunch of people who don't have the weapon(s) of their desire after 1000+ runs. Most extreme case I know: 1438 runs. No Sharpened Inferno.

Wizzo91 wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

What a bunch of self entitled whiners this new generation of gamers have become...

MMO's are about RNG.. try 40man raids that you can do only 1 time a week that the boss that has a certain item drop you need drops only 3 items for 40 people randomized for all the class's in the game...

You know what we didn't complain.. we hoped for the best and if we didn't get what we wanted we would congratulate the person that did...

What the hell.. what are you going to do in game if you are just handed the BiS out of the door... the whole point of RNG is the carrot on the stick... some how you think if you are handed the best gear in the game right away that's going make things better...

@old_mufasa

How many of those 40 man raids did you do back in the days? Actually it was pretty fast to get all the gear you need, because the loot tables were fairly small. Also there were no *** traits to dilute the table like here.

In WoW I could farm BiS gear in 2-4 weeks with my guild 40 man, 25 man or 10 man content, because ALMOST ALL items were usable. Usually people got their gear pretty quickly.

In ESO 90% of the items are junk (Except Trial Endbosses). In ESO there is a chance you will never see the item you actually want (Maelstorm), or it will take ages to get the setup (4-man Dungeons). There is no finish line like in other games.

Please don't talk, if you have no idea. MMOs are definitely not about RNG - or I would of never touched them.

I was in one of the top raid guilds on the bronzebeard server... and don't tell me that its not RNG... And you're full of it if you got a full set in 2-4 weeks in raid guild... the only way that would happen is if you were being back packed by already geared players...

It took me 6 months of farming Onyxia in vanilla to get the T2 helm as our one attempt every week kept failing to drop the Warlock helm 2 helm between all the class once a week... don't give me this crap you can get a full set in 2-4 weeks...

BNOC wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

settle down big hoss.... no one is talking about getting the exact weapon they want in one single run.

even the people you replied to mentioned "100-300 runs"... that's ridiculous. Since you are so against the idea of making the loot table better or getting some kind of token system... can we assume you were one of the 14 lucky people ever to get the weapons they wanted after a few runs?... must be terrible for you.

The rest of us are stuck in an endless circle of terrible rng. Some people don't even find a SINGLE destro staff or 1 handed axe after dozens and dozens of runs... THAT is what people hate and that is what needs to be changed.

so stop with the ... "work hard for it" BS... working hard in vMA gets you literally nothing. Being lucky does. It doesn't make you a better player, it doesn't make you know your character better, and it doesn't help you progress in any aspect of this game to play vMA 300 times.

"no one is talking about getting the exact weapon they want in one single run. even the people you replied to mentioned "100-300 runs"... that's ridiculous. "

Alucardo wrote: »

So you finally manage to complete it for your first run, and drop a powered 2h maul (when you wanted, say, a sharpened inferno staff). Now you have to go through all of that again, and quite possibly 100-300 more times.

Just give me my damn weapons and let me get the hell out of there forever.

Sounds like they want them straight away to me, or at least with minimal effort/runs.

Literally 1 hours of your time a week per character and you get 2 weapons, 1 hour.


" It doesn't make you a better player, it doesn't make you know your character better, and it doesn't help you progress in any aspect of this game to play vMA 300 times"

WHAT?! It absolutely makes you a better player, it absolutely makes you understand your character better and it helps you progress in a whole host of aspects.

Rotation (People still don't weave!?)
Positioning (Being in the right place at the right time is basically a prerequisite for every mechanic in the game)
Self sustain (especially magicka builds or stam builds without VO)
Damage output (tweaking to see improvements)

If you're not interested in getting better at any of those things then what are you even doing playing?
I used to do 15h+ runs, then 7h+ runs and so on, until now where I'm doing 40 minute runs without the buff timers that you have available to you., I didn't just magically get better overnight, I got better by doing.

If you play PvE and run PvE content, you'll get better at it. If you PvP and duel/go to cyrodil all day, you'l get better at it.
Nobody gets better at any of those things without doing and nothing is more effective than solo content where it's completely up to you and only you.

You are wrong. People don't want to have them weapons handed to them. We want a finish line. I just got back into PvE a couple of months ago and did not farm vMA back when it was easier (only 3 traits).

I'd be happy with a crazy amount of needed tokens 40, 50, 60..(1 per Run and giving people on the leaderboards 3-5) At least you have something to work for. The other solution is removing the *** traits and keeping the better traits (i.e. Sharpened, Precise only on daggers)

Rng is rough, I detest it. Whoever mentioned BDO as an alternative earlier though...omg. Do not, I repeat do not listen to this troll. The rng in BDO will have you praising even Maelstrom arena for its fairness. BDO is a dying korean p2w/f2p that still charges a box price. BDO is a bonified casino Sim, with worse odds. A classic korean job built to frustrate your butt right into the cash shop. The pvp is meh, and 100% gear/level based. If my 5 year old daughter out gears your eso grand warlord looking self, she will one shot you. That is all, now back to this Maelstrom weapon issue.

Funkopotamus wrote: »

The people that say you must have VMA weapons to run trials are in the wrong dam guild simple as that..

There is no content in this game that cannot be done with a guild full of players wearing crafted gear..

Now if you need your epeen fluffed then yes you might need to grab yourself a VMA weapon.. But if you just absolutely have to have that then do not come in here crying about it not being handed to you..

It is not a MUST have.. If you desire it then fine GO GET IT JUST LIKE THE REST OF US HAVE.

FFS. What the hell are you talking about? Read the posts in this thread. I have done many, many vMA runs. Maybe even more than you? There are people that have done the arena 1000+ times and have not gotten their desired weapon.

Do you seriously think that is good game design? Of course it is not. Like I said multiple times. We need a finish line in vMA- even if it is marathon to get there.

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

The people that say you must have VMA weapons to run trials are in the wrong dam guild simple as that..

There is no content in this game that cannot be done with a guild full of players wearing crafted gear..

Now if you need your epeen fluffed then yes you might need to grab yourself a VMA weapon.. But if you just absolutely have to have that then do not come in here crying about it not being handed to you..

It is not a MUST have.. If you desire it then fine GO GET IT JUST LIKE THE REST OF US HAVE.

FFS. What the hell are you talking about? Read the posts in this thread. I have done many, many vMA runs. Maybe even more than you? There are people that have done the arena 1000+ times and have not gotten their desired weapon.

Do you seriously think that is good game design? Of course it is not. Like I said multiple times. We need a finish line in vMA- even if it is marathon to get there.

My statement was for the other people crying that in order to be competitive you must have a VMA slotted on both bars..

To you I say.... WHY?

Why can VMA weapons not be so rare? I know it pisses us off that we cannot get them in the trait we want easily..
But god forbid ESO have one thing.. JUST ONE ITEM in this game that might be rare and hard to obtain.. The gamers today want everything handed to them..

They all cried the same way in WOW and you know what? Blizz listened to those players and started the welfare gear handouts.. AND LOOK AT THE GAME NOW? Most if not all of those players started crying that the game had became too easy and left..

I personally would rather lose players over a temper tantrum "I want all the candy now" <- Those players are a dime a dozen! then to have players leave over not having anything to work for!

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

The people that say you must have VMA weapons to run trials are in the wrong dam guild simple as that..

There is no content in this game that cannot be done with a guild full of players wearing crafted gear..

Now if you need your epeen fluffed then yes you might need to grab yourself a VMA weapon.. But if you just absolutely have to have that then do not come in here crying about it not being handed to you..

It is not a MUST have.. If you desire it then fine GO GET IT JUST LIKE THE REST OF US HAVE.

FFS. What the hell are you talking about? Read the posts in this thread. I have done many, many vMA runs. Maybe even more than you? There are people that have done the arena 1000+ times and have not gotten their desired weapon.

Do you seriously think that is good game design? Of course it is not. Like I said multiple times. We need a finish line in vMA- even if it is marathon to get there.

My statement was for the other people crying that in order to be competitive you must have a VMA slotted on both bars..

To you I say.... WHY?

Why can VMA weapons not be so rare? I know it pisses us off that we cannot get them in the trait we want easily..
But god forbid ESO have one thing.. JUST ONE ITEM in this game that might be rare and hard to obtain.. The gamers today want everything handed to them..

They all cried the same way in WOW and you know what? Blizz listened to those players and started the welfare gear handouts.. AND LOOK AT THE GAME NOW? Most if not all of those players started crying that the game had became too easy and left..

I personally would rather lose players over a temper tantrum "I want all the candy now" <- Those players are a dime a dozen! then to have players leave over not having anything to work for!

You have no idea about MMOs do you? Rarity has nothing to do with challenging content. That is not the point of MMOs. rewarding AND challenging content is.

I'm all for challenging content but not for bad loot systems and endless mindless grinds.

Stop.. Just STUUAHHHAAPP! right there..

I was here Beta testing Asherons Call and EQ two of the very first MMO's and enjoyed them both for over 5 years. 9 with AC. so please stop with the snide remarks they will only make you look worse than your uneducated remarks already have..

You speak of loot grinds may I point you to one of the best loot grinders of all time.. DIABLO?

Sadly I have played more MMO's than most people and I will tell you that I stand firm on having one item slot in this game being hard to obtain.. Just because we have skill to complete VMA does not gives us the right to the best gear in the game. I like the luck system.. Some do some do not and leave... Which will you be?

Wanted to add that I have a friend and guildmate that runs VMSA at least 4 times sometimes 5-6 a day and yes he is frustrated at the drops,but he understands why the system is the way it is. He is also glitched to were he cannot complete the flawless on it. Do we see him threatening to leave>? No because he UNDERSTANDS MMOS!

Serious, there's a bunch of thing to left ESO for, but because of Maelstorm? I kind need to agree with @old_mufasa here. Back in the old days we used to farm one month or even two, for the gear we wanted/needed. ESO is already very casual oriented and getting a good gear for end game content barely needs any grinding, don't make it into some Hello Kitty Online (yeah, it does exist HKO).

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

Serious, there's a bunch of thing to left ESO for, but because of Maelstorm? I kind need to agree with @old_mufasa here. Back in the old days we used to farm one month or even two, for the gear we wanted/needed. ESO is already very casual oriented and getting a good gear for end game content barely needs any grinding, don't make it into some Hello Kitty Online (yeah, it does exist HKO).

It is not only vMA RNG, in general it is terrible in this game.

At least here in ESO another player cannot loot your gear..

Just imagine farming for days/weeks/months to get your gear then I kill you in PvP and then loot your corpse of your VMA weapon... We could do that in Asherons Call.. So be happy you only have to deal with RNG..

Also I will give you some credit here.. The RNG might be a little strong in this game, but it makes finally getting that sharpened weapon that much better.

I only say that for VMA. If anyone comes in here crying about drops from dungeons then I will just laugh at them! There is nothing wrong with dungeon drops.. I have geared out all my characters and yes it took some time to get the full divines/Infused exactly the way I wanted it,but that is why we are all here.. To kill monsters and take their stuff! Just because I cannot get exactly what I want after the first kill or even the 2 or 3rd shouldn't bother any of us..

We are all here because we have extra time on our hands after all.....

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Not only have I seen it make players quit the game, it actually is the reason my last raid group before I joined FIF disbanded. There were several players (good players) that could not get over the RNG needed to min/max a build, so they moved on.

It's not VMA; it's the RNG associated with the last chest. I wont quote my number of clears, because frankly I have no idea, but I have done it on every class since about a month after it dropped. I have every weapon in at least some trait, double digits of many of them. IMO, there are potentially 9 BIS weapons out of this place (maybe not BIS, but things that are highly useful to someone): Sharp Inferno, Sharp Axe, Sharp Dagger, Sharp Lightening, Sharp 2H (really any of them, so this counts as 3), Decisive Resto, Sharp Bow. I have: Sharp Axe x2, Sharp Lightening, Sharp Greatsword x2, decisive Resto (resto trait isnt as important I suppose). Less than half of what I need, and double drops that I am sure someone would love if I could trade.

There are 4 weapons, that are BIS for PVE DPS (sharp bow, dagger, axe, inferno). I only have the axe. If we can't get the gear we need after nearly a year of the content being out, there is fundamental problem with the system.

^^ thats a great way to put it (bold above)

but i would add lightning staff to your dps list heavy attack builds are monsters.

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Just imagine farming for days/weeks/months to get your gear then I kill you in PvP and then loot your corpse of your VMA weapon... We could do that in Asherons Call.. So be happy you only have to deal with RNG..

@Funkopotamus Ok, I ran it 300 times without a single usable weapon before I quit. Call me lazy. What about all the people who farmed it for a year with 1000+ runs and didn't get it. It's not 1 person. I know 6. And I know 20+ others who ran it more than twice as many times as I did without the weapon of their desire.

Farming for months you say? That's ok. But farming hardcore (3h/day or more) for a year and still not getting it? That's not ok. Especially considering all competitive leaderboard-players that still play ESO got their vMA weapons when the ridiculous RNG wasn't there yet (before DB; they just ran it once a day for a month and got every possible weapon in precise and sharpened), while those who did it after, postponed their runs, or just started playing later, were forced out of competition by ZOS's great idea to add *** traits.

I also played games with tough RNG and PvP mix, where someone can just kill you and loot your BiS weapon that you worked hard on for months. However, in the game I played (KalOnline) "bind" didn't exist. You could either make money and buy another one, or you could try and do the same thing to someone else (or even go after the guy who killed you). Every game has its dynamics.

RNG is ok, but it has to fit and be reasonable. And if someone has never had a Sharpened Inferno drop in 500 runs, there should be a "bad luck protection" (like in BDO), interfering with the algorithm.