Asardes wrote: »

Magicka_DK wrote: »

Tell me you have 1 bar in my group. I would remove you faster then zenimax can push out crown items

And then they'll just come to the forum and whine about the "elitists" that only want to play "meta". Whaaaaahhh whaaaaahhhh whaaaaahh

Yes those damn elitists who pull off those crazy complicated weapon swaps

Infinite12 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I've seen may CP400+ spamming just 2-3 abilities over and over again. Those certainly fit on a single bar

You are right, but when I swap to my back bar and drop poison arrow, arrow barrage and caltrops it ups my dps substantially compared to not using a back bar. The problem with using only 1 bar is not that you're gimp in your group but your gimp in yourself BIG TIME, in my opinion. If you only use 1 bar in solo content that's cool but if you're doing group content you should be maximizing your usefulness to the group.

I don't even know when I'm swapping bars. It has become instinctive. And it's not just the DDs. Even when I'm tanking I do one every ~10 s to reapply some buffs, debuffs and CC's. My rotation is 7-8 skills. And my boss fight bars are ~50% different from the trash fight bars. In some fights I use special abilities that are absolutely necessary. Frankly I wouldn't be even able to tank properly by using just one bar. Tanks that just stay on the same bar, taunt a couple of mobs and just hold block are 3/4 useless IMO. They're no better than DDs spamming light attacks or wrecking blow or a class skill until they run out of juice, barely doing 10K single target. I ran VICP with a DD a week ago that only did heavy attacks with a lightning staff. He wore Shoria but that was probably just for cosmetic effect, because I never actually saw a proc from that. He sucked big time and we barely finished, and that's because the other 2 players actually did enough DPS to down the boss on hard mode. At the end the group disbanded. Nobody wanted to run the other 2 pledges with him. Even if he ran 5 x Aether + 5 x Elegange that kind of un-rotation was not justified. And he was also 450 CP+. Some people just mindlessly copy builds, or just copy and paste bits of builds without actually having a clue about how to play them.

Suter1972 wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Everyone can do whatever they want . As long as you know that you are limiting yourself because ''this is how you want to play'' , it is all good .

Enjoy your RP , enjoy your solo-content but if I see a person not swapping weapons at all and trying to do DPS with this ''playstyle'' in a group I lead , I will kick from group without questioning and I have 100% right to do that because that person is pulling the group down . Some might say that they pull good numbers with 1-bar but I don't even have to say that you can pull maybe twice higher if you use 2-bars . I don't care if you see this as elitism or not , this is just simple logic .

Even though not wanting to press a button and get access to 6 new skills is something I don't support , I don't care unless you expect to be viable in end-game PvE .

So youre basically saying 'everyone can play how they want but if you want to play with me you have to do as I say'

What's wrong with that?

You're free to go and sit in McDonalds all afternoon if you wanted to, but *** on the floor once and they have every right to chuck you out.

If someone's leading a group for group content then it's their right to kick anyone they believe isn't helping the group do its best, or sometimes its bare minimum.

I think perhaps it simply comes down to a different vision as to why we play. There are those that enjoy the competition, the challenge to be the best you can possibly be, who spend hours tweaking their builds, researching, putting out the best possible product they can, respect to those people, but its just not what I personally play for.

There is another player who is a lot of ways opposite to that, the fun is not in the competition but the simple escape, its about the story, the lore, the atmosphere, that is the type of player I am, that is my enjoyment out of elder scrolls. I am not arguing that I would not be better with two bars, I know I would be, its simply that one bar does what I bought the game for just fine, doing quests, running around collecting mats, fishing, building armor, exploring. These people tend to not have as much time to invest in the game so more focus on just going out and having fun. Many people bought this game as its an MMO, but a lot of other people bought it because of their love for elder scrolls, there is definitely a mix in this game of many different types of players. I don't plan on running group play, to me this is another skyrim with other people running around, when some call out elitism and playing the way you want to play, I think its in reference to this, I paid just as much as anyone else for this game, and feel I can enjoy it the way I want to, and that is using whatever skills I need to get through the stories, then probably move on to another game, maybe I will come back after time, maybe I wont. I am a casual player, I play my way in that I don't want competition, I just want to have some fun. I play my games on easy, I rarely use all skills in any game opened to me, I simply only use what is good enough. Hate me if you will, but this is just a game to me, I am having fun, and I have a great life outside my game time as well, so I must be doing something right! I dont get the hate for the casual player, I am willing to bet its the casual player that has the biggest market share which is why ZOS tried to appeal to both sides.

About the only time I will agree that you need to put in a good effort is if your doing group play, I do not agree with bringing your group down for your choices, but if its PVE and your only effecting yourself, I very much think we can play however we want to play even if you think its wrong we are not maximizing our skill set.

Vaerth wrote: »

Might just be me but when I use bow/DW or bow/2H it bothers me that my quiver and now just vanish when I draw my other weapons lol.

This might be a good recommendation for a visuals update. I think I have seen a few NPCs with sword/shield out and a greatsword across the back. This obviously doesn't address the issue of both sets holstered. In this case, a static hardpoint for primary and secondary sets could be used:

- 2-handers and staves could cross the back, or use an inverted sling along the same path to avoid model collision (
angled the same way, but greataxe heads pointing different directions)

- DW could sit at slightly lower points or cross the small of the back

- Double sword-n-board might be a bit tough to render appropriately. How does one carry two shields without being awkward? Unless the active, holstered shield just stayed on, buckler-style

- Double bows would have to set quivers in radically different positions: one possibly across the small of the back. The sling point for the second bow could stack with the first or hang off the second quiver