Friends giving up on ESO after Maelstrom, anyone else?

alephthiago · October 2016

So in the last 2 months 3 of my friends gave up on the game after maelstrom, these were people that would run dungeons with me everyday, farm together to gear up one or another and give mats, lend money and stuff like that, AKA, real partners.
One day we even rolled new noobs in the opposite faction(everyone was cp 400+) only to fight in other campaigns and laugh a LOT! lol
Well, these guys never cared for maelstrom but each one of them went more or less the same path in different occasions...starting maelstrom, staying whole days there, getting the weapon (always the wrong one with **** traits) and soon after....leaving the game...
Now i dont blame maelstrom for that, but everyone is going the same way, is anyone else experiencing the same thing?

rebody · October 2016

Nope. If I get sick of Maelstrom I just go do something else until I am ready to tackle it again.

Alucardo · October 2016

It's not just Maelstrom causing people to rage quit, it's the RNG in this game. It just affects Maelstrom even worse because getting the right weapon with the trait you want seems near impossible, and to get it you have to run the same arena over and over again. It's not like farming normal dungeons either - Maelstrom is hard af, unless you're a magicka build with juicy shields, or Andy S.

failkiwib16_ESO · October 2016

I've known more players quit ESO due to lack of content, and they don't want to dedicate 9 hours over 3 nights a week to a trial guild, to do Maelstrom Arena.

They return with every new DLC, play the game and upgrade their gear, level their Champion Points and quit after 2 weeks, return with new DLC.

My pvp friends however, specially the magicka DK's tend to quit ESO for BDO and return after 3 months.

Sallington · October 2016

The whole trait RNG system is so terrible. They either need to get rid of half of them, or make the loot smarter.

If you can find me one person looking for a Charged or Powered maelstrom weapon, I'll do Wrobel's laundry for a month.

Mettaricana · October 2016

My wins vs lose vs impossible odds on maelstrom made me say [Snip] it and skip maelstrom weapons

Amount of times on frozen round I'd be doing good and the boss spawns like three neroed and a bunch of archers and they all shoot at once for combined 40k dmg I dodge roll or block only to be caught by half the hits by time roll ends and still one shots me.

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Birdovic · October 2016

@failkiwib16_ESO

I will never understand whats so great about BDO, altmer.
I tried it when it released and really. It was boring af to me o.o

GDOFWR420 · October 2016

Over a year and i havent beat it. Dont put to much stock in maelstrom. As in dont let it ruin the game for you. I was stuck on the ice level for months finally beat that now im stuck at final boss without a single vet completion. It will happen, just not as fast as people with more patience and op builds. Dont give up.

Edit: im on a magicka DK trying and i tell you the struggle is real

DeadlyRecluse · October 2016

As long as you don't set your heart on maelstrom, I actually think learning it is super fun. Tough, but fun.

It's less fun after you have it down and are just grinding the RNG.

Malamar1229 · October 2016

They revamped traits but they still suck. They shouldve catered them to certain builds so all traits would be desireable for someone.

Rohaus · October 2016

When I work hard in RL, I am generally rewarded for it. Working hard with RNG in place, you are generally NOT rewarded for it.

It's a lazy concept intended for use by those who aren't able to push content fast enough.
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Smasherx74 · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

It's not just Maelstrom causing people to rage quit, it's the RNG in this game. It just affects Maelstrom even worse because getting the right weapon with the trait you want seems near impossible, and to get it you have to run the same arena over and over again. It's not like farming normal dungeons either - Maelstrom is hard af, unless you're a magicka build with juicy shields, or Andy S.

its not that hard.

AgentSylo · October 2016

I nearly quit because of maelstrom arena, I enjoyed the challenge, but the not so RNG put me off so much.

And I'm not just talking bad traits, sure bad traits is 1 thing but constantly getting the same weapons over and over is another and that's what put me off.

Izaki · October 2016

I stopped caring for the Inferno vMA Staff. I have 2 vMA destros so far and both of them are in horrendous traits. When I see people like Streak One who can pull 50k DPS on a magicka sorcerer without a damn sharp maelstrom staff, I just think to myself that, I'll passively wait for it. I'm just doing leaderboard runs on all my toons every week. That's 8 chances for the damn weapon. I have all the other ones in BiS. All my stam toons are geared up with sharpened and precise daggers and axes and bows.
No point in sweating over a weapon that barely adds 2-3k DPS.

Alucardo · October 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

It's not just Maelstrom causing people to rage quit, it's the RNG in this game. It just affects Maelstrom even worse because getting the right weapon with the trait you want seems near impossible, and to get it you have to run the same arena over and over again. It's not like farming normal dungeons either - Maelstrom is hard af, unless you're a magicka build with juicy shields, or Andy S.

its not that hard.

It all depends on the class you play and gear you can afford (and obviously CP). I had an easier time doing it when I respec my stam character to magicka and facerolled a majority of the content by stacking shields. Not saying it's impossible on stam, just a lot harder.

So you finally manage to complete it for your first run, and drop a powered 2h maul (when you wanted, say, a sharpened inferno staff). Now you have to go through all of that again, and quite possibly 100-300 more times. You'll get better at running vMA after your 20th time, but then it will turn into a chore, and you begin resenting it because of the shotty RNG. You'll then start making mistakes time and time again because you're so bored and fed up of it, which slows you down even more. This is what vMA is. Just give me my damn weapons and let me get the hell out of there forever.

Izaki · October 2016

Sallington wrote: »

The whole trait RNG system is so terrible. They either need to get rid of half of them, or make the loot smarter.

If you can find me one person looking for a Charged or Powered maelstrom weapon, I'll do Wrobel's laundry for a month.

@Sallington The resto staff in powered... A lot of healers like that (I personally find Precise better tbh) Go do some laundry mate

Smasherx74 · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

It's not just Maelstrom causing people to rage quit, it's the RNG in this game. It just affects Maelstrom even worse because getting the right weapon with the trait you want seems near impossible, and to get it you have to run the same arena over and over again. It's not like farming normal dungeons either - Maelstrom is hard af, unless you're a magicka build with juicy shields, or Andy S.

its not that hard.

It all depends on the class you play and gear you can afford (and obviously CP). I had an easier time doing it when I respec my stam character to magicka and facerolled a majority of the content by stacking shields. Not saying it's impossible on stam, just a lot harder.

So you finally manage to complete it for your first run, and drop a powered 2h maul (when you wanted, say, a sharpened inferno staff). Now you have to go through all of that again, and quite possibly 100-300 more times. You'll get better at running vMA after your 20th time, but then it will turn into a chore, and you begin resenting it because of the shotty RNG. You'll then start making mistakes time and time again because you're so bored and fed up of it, which slows you down even more. This is what vMA is. Just give me my damn weapons and let me get the hell out of there forever.

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I just run Stamplar TBS/Agility(with 1 stam recovery)/NightMother and do just fine. Vigor for self heals, repentance for resources, basic meta build. Completed VMA on my first try, after doing nMA of course.

hydrocynus · October 2016

Mettaricana wrote: »

My wins vs lose vs impossible odds on maelstrom made me say f@#$ it and skip maelstrom weapons

Amount of times on frozen round I'd be doing good and the boss spawns like three neroed and a bunch of archers and they all shoot at once for combined 40k dmg I dodge roll or block only to be caught by half the hits by time roll ends and still one shots me.

Yeah I hate it when all that stuff randomly spawns. Frikken RNG! If only there was another way to control it. Maybe if I had even more dps i could get through all the trash on that round when it all spawns together. They just want you to blast everything down. There is an art to controlling a fight and I wish ZOS would give us more arenas where control is more important than pure DPS.

GreenhaloX · October 2016

alephthiago wrote: »

So in the last 2 months 3 of my friends gave up on the game after maelstrom, these were people that would run dungeons with me everyday, farm together to gear up one or another and give mats, lend money and stuff like that, AKA, real partners.
One day we even rolled new noobs in the opposite faction(everyone was cp 400+) only to fight in other campaigns and laugh a LOT! lol
Well, these guys never cared for maelstrom but each one of them went more or less the same path in different occasions...starting maelstrom, staying whole days there, getting the weapon (always the wrong one with **** traits) and soon after....leaving the game...
Now i dont blame maelstrom for that, but everyone is going the same way, is anyone else experiencing the same thing?

Hope you're referring to vet Maelstrom, right? Yes, vMA is brutal for the non-elite types and can cause many to want to take breaks. Normal isn't hard, once you know the mechanics. I am not elite or ever considered myself to be, but I can hold my own on soloing world bosses and vet trials. Yet, some stages in vMA can still give me a rough time; particularly that crazy 5th ice stage. Like many have given me advice/recommendation previously, I take a break for a week or two and then go back in and tackle it.

That blows, though, if people are actually and really calling it a day with ESO, just because of Maelstrom. There are worst things. Because this is still a social setting and social media, there are too many who think they are better than others; shuns or ridicule you if you don't have the right gear and weapon or playing well enough to their likings. Oh no, hold the press, folks! Stop everything, this guy is using a 2H.. in a trial.. what the hell?! We can't be here for 8 hours.. we need to get this done in 10 minutes! (hopefully you can see the sarcastic) I can see these negative type folks and unsportsmanlike conducts causing others to leave this game.

Pops_ND_Irish · October 2016

If they quit on PS4 ill take the crafting materials and gold

BNOC · October 2016

Rohaus wrote: »

When I work hard in RL, I am generally rewarded for it. Working hard with RNG in place, you are generally NOT rewarded for it.

It's a lazy concept intended for use by those who aren't able to push content fast enough.

Reminds me of socialism/communism... work hard... get nothing in return.

Actually, you've got that all wrong. if you work hard ONCE in life, I highly doubt you're rewarded for it and even if you are, who is to say it'll be something beneficial to you and not just a thank you or well done, whereas if you worked hard on the same thing MULTIPLE times, chances are you'll be rewarded - They've already made changes so you get a weapon every time and if you're only doing completes and not aiming for R1 then there shouldn't be an issue because your runs are care free.

The only lazy concept is the one that the majority of you seem to be pushing for which is "I've just done Maelstrom for the first time and it's taken me 4 hours, give me the weapon I wanted so I never have to come back in here and play the content."

Also, there's people in here talking about RNG, what RNG? Plants on round 7? Everything in there can be avoided and if you put enough time into it, you'll soon learn and will be doing 40 minute runs.

Alucardo wrote: »

It all depends on the class you play and gear you can afford (and obviously CP). I had an easier time doing it when I respec my stam character to magicka and facerolled a majority of the content by stacking shields. Not saying it's impossible on stam, just a lot harder.

So you finally manage to complete it for your first run, and drop a powered 2h maul (when you wanted, say, a sharpened inferno staff). Now you have to go through all of that again, and quite possibly 100-300 more times. You'll get better at running vMA after your 20th time, but then it will turn into a chore, and you begin resenting it because of the shotty RNG. You'll then start making mistakes time and time again because you're so bored and fed up of it, which slows you down even more. This is what vMA is. Just give me my damn weapons and let me get the hell out of there forever.

Stam characters have the highest scores on EVERY class, they do more damage and manage their resources better because of sets, I'm not sure what characters you've been on or where you've been but look at the leaderboards.

Second part of yourpost sums up the mentality I mentioned above which is embarrassing - Give me my weapons on my first complete so I never have to come back.

Get out of here with that nonsense.

Asardes · October 2016

Dumping the whole game because 1% of the content that's not even mandatory to run. Very mature in deed.

kuro-dono · October 2016

alephthiago wrote: »

So in the last 2 months 3 of my friends gave up on the game after maelstrom, these were people that would run dungeons with me everyday, farm together to gear up one or another and give mats, lend money and stuff like that, AKA, real partners.
One day we even rolled new noobs in the opposite faction(everyone was cp 400+) only to fight in other campaigns and laugh a LOT! lol
Well, these guys never cared for maelstrom but each one of them went more or less the same path in different occasions...starting maelstrom, staying whole days there, getting the weapon (always the wrong one with **** traits) and soon after....leaving the game...
Now i dont blame maelstrom for that, but everyone is going the same way, is anyone else experiencing the same thing?

many of my nicer guildies, have become total wankers/toxic after maelstorm. first its sobbing and whining how hard it is, then suddenly their dps transform to higher since they basicly copy the elites/streamers builds, then when they clear them they happy and brag about it for 1 week, then they farm it until they burn out, then they become quiet, and stop greeting in guild chat, then they join elite trial raids since i keep guild raids casual mode instead of elite, then they just leave

About 30 member left guild like that, 9 of them, so far have quit the game aswell. Few tried to come back, but i explained to them that they need to get rid of that toxic atmosphere of theirs if they want, but nah, they are fully spoiled/ corrupted by maelstorm. I tried myself maelstorm 3 times, and i understand what it does to human being. I leave it alone so the same wont happen to me

PS: i mostly pvp, and similarly, i burned myself down for one month of cyrodiil raiding, 16h per day burned me and made me quite toxic, thank god i realized whats happening to me, so i stopped it after that month, as in stopped playing competively.

Curtdogg47 · October 2016

I gave up on a VMA, I would not give up on ESO.

Juhasow · October 2016

It's obvious that current loot table on vMA is much worse then previously when You had 50% to drop maelstorm weapon but there was only 3 traits in loot table. People was crying that it should be 100% so here You have it 100% drop chance, but the chance to get weapon with trait You want is lowered to the point it's almost impossible. This is what happening when people asking Zenimax for ,,improvements".

Ethromelb14_ESO · October 2016

As a whole, ESO is not combat fair or friendly to melee fighters the way it caters to staves and bows. So typically a player can't afford to use a sword/dual-wield unless they're near tank fortitude which will affect your damage output potential.

For a game that claims to offer robust and diverse choices in builds, they blatantly only offer a linear untrue ES experience when it comes to their effectiveness in all forms of combat. Think Legolas in melee, he doesn't all of a sudden stop using a bow because the enemies are too close, anymore than a sword fighter should be at a disadvantage because they can't get in close to the boss who happens to be blasting lava the whole damn fight. Give melee weapons minor range potential with sword waves that can reach up to 5 meters, or some sort of feature that allows the weapon to gain a soul charge that causes the weapon to emanate lethal energy to their target. I don't know. Something is better than nothing.

But yeah, Maelstrom Arena caters only to a certain type of build, and if you're anything else, you're up crap's creek.

Robbmrp · October 2016

I gave up on Mael when it first came out. I have better things to do that to spend countless hours in one dungeon that's a huge gold sink.

BNOC · October 2016

kuro-dono wrote: »

many of my nicer guildies, have become total wankers/toxic after maelstorm. first its sobbing and whining how hard it is, then suddenly their dps transform to higher since they basicly copy the elites/streamers builds, then when they clear them they happy and brag about it for 1 week, then they farm it until they burn out, then they become quiet, and stop greeting in guild chat, then they join elite trial raids since i keep guild raids casual mode instead of elite, then they just leave

"first its sobbing and whining how hard it is,"
What everyone in here is doing right now only difference is the people you're talking about persevered and done it.

"then they join elite trial raids since i keep guild raids casual mode instead of elite, then they just leave"
Sounds like your attitude that's making them leave, what's the point in doing something if you don't want to progressively get better at it?

Casual raids promote bad players with limited experience/understanding.
Bad players = Wipes and long runs (Which is a hot point in this thread)
Wipes and longer run times = Less interest in participating
Less interest in participating = No run today because not enough are on
No runs = Time for a new guild.

Would you stay in a football team that lost every week and just got on with it, or would you join one that won and wanted to continue progressing?

Alucardo · October 2016

BNOC wrote: »

Second part of yourpost sums up the mentality I mentioned above which is embarrassing - Give me my weapons on my first complete so I never have to come back.

Get out of here with that nonsense.

Triggered. Well my work here is done. Up, up and awaaaay!

LegendaryArcher · October 2016

I quit ESO after 300 runs of not getting a single useful weapon.

We have a guild in Black Desert with over 30 players that quit ESO solely because of not getting their vMA weapons after hundreds of runs (almost 50 ex-ESO players overall that quit for various reasons). Some of them didn't get a single Inferno after 1000+ runs. Overall, I know 6 people that didn't get their inferno after 1000+ runs, but the other 3 didn't want to come with us to BDO.

BDO has a "bad luck protection" system implemented in its RNG. Chances increase to get a certain item on the next roll when you didn't get it the previous time. But then again, BiS items are BoE there. And the chances to get something that is hard to get are equal for everyone. Never in hell would the devs hand out BiS weapons to decent players for some time and then lock them behind impossible odds for everyone else who doesn't have them yet in a later patch, like ZOS did.

You should really check out BDO to see what a good game looks like. Feel free to shoot me a private message. Chances are, your friends are in my guild.

BNOC · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

Triggered. Well my work here is done. Up, up and awaaaay!

Triggered? I pointed out the flaws in your argument

You came in and spewed a load of nonsense.