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Get rid of undaunted chests
WalksonGraves
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There has to be a better way to complete a monster set than praying to rngesus. Make them drop in dungeons so we can farm traits.
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W0lf_z13✭✭✭✭✭
✭sooo... ur asking for them to get rid of rngesus for another rngesus?Breton Nightblade ~ Fang of the Wolf ~ (50) | Altmer Dragonknight ~ Ðårk Ŵølf ~ (50) | Altmer Necro ~ Ðeåth Ŵølf ~ (50)
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SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭One word: Tokens
PS: Just let us use the keys as tokens and select the gear we want. Make the keys harder to get if you must. Maybe every 5 keys turn into a token. Anything is better than what we have now ...
Edited by SirAndy on October 17, 2016 5:35PM10 -
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✭One word: Tokens
PS: Just let us use the keys as tokens and select the gear we want. Make the keys harder to get if you must. Maybe every 5 keys turn into a token. Anything is better than what we have now ...
At the current drop rate of useful traits, it could be 10/1 or even 20/1 and still be a net win for us as players.0 -
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✭✭✭Something is wrong with me, I have not opened any undaunted chests or IC vaults.
I have a little over 30 undaunted keys, and around 70 IC Trophy keys. I think it is time to go shopping , but for some reason I just want to save my keys
Edited by vamp_emily on October 17, 2016 5:47PM
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Cryptical✭✭✭✭✭
✭vamp_emily wrote: »Something is wrong with me, I have not opened any undaunted chests or IC vaults.
I have a little over 30 undaunted keys, and around 70 IC Trophy keys. I think it is time to go shopping , but for some reason I just want to save my keys
If you're on console, wait. The coming odds are the same or better, depending on your desired gear.Xbox NA0 -
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✭vamp_emily wrote: »Something is wrong with me, I have not opened any undaunted chests or IC vaults.
I have a little over 30 undaunted keys, and around 70 IC Trophy keys. I think it is time to go shopping , but for some reason I just want to save my keys
If you're on console, wait. The coming odds are the same or better, depending on your desired gear.
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is another thread suggesting that RNG sucks and the game needs a token system. Well, the vast majority of us agree with you, but ZOS does not seem to. They view RNG as the only carrot they have to keep us playing. Shame, the game itself should be the carrot.
Personally, I would like a vendor that sells specific shoulders for 50 keys, but also keeping the chests if you want to roll the dice. I think that is a reasonable number of dungeon runs (25 HMs) to get a guaranteed drop. Since keys cant be traded or put in a bank, that would mean 9 days of running every pledge on HM would get you a shoulder. I would be fine if they doubled that too be honest.6 -
Lucious90✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »This is another thread suggesting that RNG sucks and the game needs a token system. Well, the vast majority of us agree with you, but ZOS does not seem to. They view RNG as the only carrot they have to keep us playing. Shame, the game itself should be the carrot.
Personally, I would like a vendor that sells specific shoulders for 50 keys, but also keeping the chests if you want to roll the dice. I think that is a reasonable number of dungeon runs (25 HMs) to get a guaranteed drop. Since keys cant be traded or put in a bank, that would mean 9 days of running every pledge on HM would get you a shoulder. I would be fine if they doubled that too be honest.
Well they should make deeper content and get rid of the 6 month content drop schedule...
I love the idea of a token system for both pve and pvp, heck they could do a different monster set for the undaunted than what drops, to give variety, and pvp specific sets in cyrodil.
I remember *flashback* Wow implemented a system similar for pve, justice and valor armor, which worked to get you into end game raid progression, but was out classed by the harder raid gear sets. Same thing with pvp, they had gear to get you in the door, but better gear as you progressed through the seasonXbox/NA
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WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
✭So I did the math, if you want a specific shoulder and trait it's 1/224. So if you get a gold key every day for a year you might get it. That make sense to you?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Keep the chests.
Add a system where you have a very low (if nonexistant) chance at getting duplicate shoulders. Basically allows you to have a guaranteed drop of your favorite gear as long as you're persistent.0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »This is another thread suggesting that RNG sucks and the game needs a token system. Well, the vast majority of us agree with you, but ZOS does not seem to. They view RNG as the only carrot they have to keep us playing. Shame, the game itself should be the carrot.
Personally, I would like a vendor that sells specific shoulders for 50 keys, but also keeping the chests if you want to roll the dice. I think that is a reasonable number of dungeon runs (25 HMs) to get a guaranteed drop. Since keys cant be traded or put in a bank, that would mean 9 days of running every pledge on HM would get you a shoulder. I would be fine if they doubled that too be honest.
Well they should make deeper content and get rid of the 6 month content drop schedule...
I love the idea of a token system for both pve and pvp, heck they could do a different monster set for the undaunted than what drops, to give variety, and pvp specific sets in cyrodil.
I remember *flashback* Wow implemented a system similar for pve, justice and valor armor, which worked to get you into end game raid progression, but was out classed by the harder raid gear sets. Same thing with pvp, they had gear to get you in the door, but better gear as you progressed through the season
Well ZOS sort of has this now. You can craft gear to get you in the door, and grind endlessly until your eyes bleed if you want to min/max to the Nth degree. I dont like to admit it, but monster sets work this way. You can get enough keys in about 2 weeks to get most of the shoulders in a bad trait. One trait on one armor piece is barely noticeable (weapons are a totally different story). People have set VMA records with a purple shoulder in the wrong trait.
That being said, I am a min/maxer and I would rather not run a monster set than run it in prosperous. Haha #Tokensystem2 -
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AtmaDarkwolf✭✭✭Just implement a freaking token system FFS. Even if you want to keep giving us random garbage, let us decide if we want XXX of sh!t trait YYY, or a token (ANd trade 10-20 tokens for shoulder/item of choice)
Drop this RNG Crap. it does NOT make us 'enjoy' your game more, nor does this junk make people 'spends more moniez' for crown store trash to help the grind be less 'tedious'
Its killing your game.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »This is another thread suggesting that RNG sucks and the game needs a token system. Well, the vast majority of us agree with you, but ZOS does not seem to. They view RNG as the only carrot they have to keep us playing. Shame, the game itself should be the carrot.
ZOS is dead wrong.
The RNG system is the worst in the entire gaming industry and is the reason I do not run any group content anymore at all.
This has caused me to play far less, buy less on the crown store, and invest in DLC so I can play for free.
If they think they are keeping players by refusing to adopt a sane and standard token system to grant GUARANTEED GAINS then they are mental.
If anything, the RNG trait system is the main reason I have been feeling pushed away from the game.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »This is another thread suggesting that RNG sucks and the game needs a token system. Well, the vast majority of us agree with you, but ZOS does not seem to. They view RNG as the only carrot they have to keep us playing. Shame, the game itself should be the carrot.
ZOS is dead wrong.
The RNG system is the worst in the entire gaming industry and is the reason I do not run any group content anymore at all.
This has caused me to play far less, buy less on the crown store, and invest in DLC so I can play for free.
If they think they are keeping players by refusing to adopt a sane and standard token system to grant GUARANTEED GAINS then they are mental.
If anything, the RNG trait system is the main reason I have been feeling pushed away from the game.
Couldnt agree more. I think RNG will always be a thing to some degree, but it shouldnt exist for certain things. For anything that is BOE or BOG, I can live with it. I have been able to get most of the new sets I wanted in 10-20 runs in perfect traits, which is no biggie.
The 2 things that remain are VMA weapons and Monster Shoulders. They cant be traded or sold. I am admittedly still playing the RNG game with shoulders. I have everything I need in a bad trait, and am down to 2 or 3 things I would like in a perfect trait. I will give it a solid push for another few weeks, but then I will have what I have.
VMA on the other hand, I have just given up. Again, I have every weapon in a bad trait, but still no Sharp Inferno, Dagger, or Bow, (3 of the 4 that matter for PVE DPS). I am over it. I run it once in a great while when I am bored, but that's it. If they introduced a token system requiring even as much as 50 runs for a guaranteed item, I would be back in there tonight. I know many elite players that have left the game over bad VMA RNG. Hard to blame them, really...
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DorianDragonRaze✭✭✭✭OMG guys. ZOS improved the older system by making monster masks a guaranteed drop. Also old system did not even guarantee a shoulder of a key, but now it is 100% shoulder and it is like predictable by chest.
Now you like want to get everything at once...I used to be an adventurer like you, then I got the ESO on my hard drive...0 -
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✭WalksonGraves wrote: »So I did the math, if you want a specific shoulder and trait it's 1/224. So if you get a gold key every day for a year you might get it. That make sense to you?
Actually, those odds depend on which shoulder is desired. One from the dlc chest would pick from just those 4 dlc dungeons, while one from the other chests would also take duplication into account. Not to mention finishing a dungeon on hard mode doubles your odds-per-pledge by doubling the keys you get.
It's not as simple as A times B.Xbox NA0 -
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✭AtmaDarkwolf wrote: »Just implement a freaking token system FFS. Even if you want to keep giving us random garbage, let us decide if we want XXX of sh!t trait YYY, or a token (ANd trade 10-20 tokens for shoulder/item of choice)
Drop this RNG Crap. it does NOT make us 'enjoy' your game more, nor does this junk make people 'spends more moniez' for crown store trash to help the grind be less 'tedious'
Its killing your game.
yes this RNG is crap, few my friends just ended this gamve because of RNG for monster masks before zeni did it tradeable in group but they still dont want back to game, they just dont want with remembering RNG here from dungs, MSA etc0 -
zuto40✭✭✭✭✭DorianDragonRaze wrote: »OMG guys. ZOS improved the older system by making monster masks a guaranteed drop. Also old system did not even guarantee a shoulder of a key, but now it is 100% shoulder and it is like predictable by chest.
Now you like want to get everything at once...
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lardvader✭✭✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »Something is wrong with me, I have not opened any undaunted chests or IC vaults.
I have a little over 30 undaunted keys, and around 70 IC Trophy keys. I think it is time to go shopping , but for some reason I just want to save my keys
Yeah I still save most of my keys. I only open some when I get a helmet I like and need a shoulder for it.
I've only opened vaults in WGT so far and only getting stuff with *** traits. Better to farm the dungeons for the sets IMHO.CP 1200+ PC EU EP0 -
SlayerTheDragon✭✭✭✭✭While they are at it please add a way to queue for pledge dungeons... Aint nobody got time to /LFG.
But seriously, I wish all these RNG defenders 10 000 runs before they get their gear in the holy two traits.Edited by SlayerTheDragon on October 18, 2016 8:23AM¤═══¤ People don't like it when you talk to them with your weapon drawn ¤═══¤0 -
TheDarkoil✭✭✭I do it the other way around. If i pull a shoulder set I like I then farm the helmet or I try and buy it from Xur when it becomes available. My bank is full of monster set pieces.0
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✭✭✭✭120 keys to open later when it's back up.
Who want to take my bet that 50% of them are training and prosperous?0 -
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✭✭✭WalksonGraves wrote: »There has to be a better way to complete a monster set than praying to rngesus. Make them drop in dungeons so we can farm traits.
besides that it will never happen, I have a question:
How lesser RNG would it be if the sets would drop directly in a dungeon, compared to dropping from a chest? It would only save some little time (which you need to return to Undaunted Enclave to open the chest, yes), but the RNG will still be the same0