You young whippersnappers and your bar swapping ways. When I were young and playing t'game we'd have to put all our abilities on one bar since you couldn't weapon swap while in combat. Was only when ZOS implemented the feature in 1.3 I believe that we finally got t'learn what the second bar were fer.

I've seen may CP400+ spamming just 2-3 abilities over and over again. Those certainly fit on a single bar

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I have to admit and going by my previous responses within this thread I have changed my pov on this. Yesterday I was all for 1-bar and thought I'd take some of the advice on board to see if it really does make a difference in PvE using the two bars and I'm converted. I could never ever solo any of the Wrothgar bosses, especially the one at the unfinished dolmen. I always ran out of resources on that particular boss. Yesterday, swapped over to 2 bars and solo'd him twice. Granted, there was a lot of kiting involved. I'm well chuffed with that result. I'm converted and retract all my negative comments aimed towards those I called elitist.

I'm big enough and ugly enough to admit when i was wrong. I'm sitting at around cp220, so nowhere near the cap.

Glad you had an epiphany, but seeing two bars as elitism in any way is symptomatic of the broken mentality directed towards this game. Even if the whole thing was parody it still serves to highlight certain destructive elements of the community.

Now I need to get myself back to Wrothgar.

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Junipus wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I have to admit and going by my previous responses within this thread I have changed my pov on this. Yesterday I was all for 1-bar and thought I'd take some of the advice on board to see if it really does make a difference in PvE using the two bars and I'm converted. I could never ever solo any of the Wrothgar bosses, especially the one at the unfinished dolmen. I always ran out of resources on that particular boss. Yesterday, swapped over to 2 bars and solo'd him twice. Granted, there was a lot of kiting involved. I'm well chuffed with that result. I'm converted and retract all my negative comments aimed towards those I called elitist.

I'm big enough and ugly enough to admit when i was wrong. I'm sitting at around cp220, so nowhere near the cap.

Glad you had an epiphany, but seeing two bars as elitism in any way is symptomatic of the broken mentality directed towards this game. Even if the whole thing was parody it still serves to highlight certain destructive elements of the community.

Now I need to get myself back to Wrothgar.

Not really a case of a broken mentality. I'm sure you've been wrong in the past about something. Doesn't mean you were at fault per se, just wrong. I have no qualms about holding my hands up and admitting I was wrong. The real issue is with those people who refuse to accept in some cases it could be their own stance that is wrong and aren't willing to deviate from that stance regardless of the evidence put forward.

Edit: It also doesn't help when people come wading in with non constructive comments and are only interested in putting others down with their "OMFG, you must be so **** at this game and suck at gaming". I ignored those comments, but chose to take the advice onboard by those who were actually constructive and weren't confrontational from the moment they entered the thread.

Ah then I failed to explain things properly.

You're exactly right that the real issue is those who refuse that it's their own stance that's wrong despite evidence, and your change of stance when shown the evidence should be a shining example to others.

I merely attempted to highlight that your previous approach based on

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I'm converted and retract all my negative comments aimed towards those I called elitist.

was how a number of people think and approach the game and players who use things like bar swapping and other technique which hurts the overall content of the game and the strength of the community.

Typically one bar will be the main bar you spend most of the time on, that contains skills with instant effect, the other contains buffs and DoT skills that have a longer duration and only need to be reapplied every 10-20s. But in fact it's more complicated that that, and each build needs to establish it's own skill rotation, that always includes both bars to maximize it's defectiveness. Overland solo content can be completed just doing heavy and light attacks from a single weapon and maybe a spammable skil. You don't even need to use many skills. But that's about the lowest difficulty content in this game. Saying you can beat that with ease is just like saying you can ace 3rd grade maths problems. The real calculus and differential equations are in veteran dungeons, trials, vMA

Pff... pathethic

A) I'm hardcore player + elitist
I use both bars
C) I'm totally fine if people in my group (in any vet dungeon or vet trial) would use 3-4 skills in one bar only
D) Its just the truth, some classes designed that way (pointing templars)
E) Can bet 1kk ingame gold that i can do 500k+ score vMA on a temp with 1 bar only (EU PC)

Everyone can do whatever they want . As long as you know that you are limiting yourself because ''this is how you want to play'' , it is all good .

Enjoy your RP , enjoy your solo-content but if I see a person not swapping weapons at all and trying to do DPS with this ''playstyle'' in a group I lead , I will kick from group without questioning and I have 100% right to do that because that person is pulling the group down . Some might say that they pull good numbers with 1-bar but I don't even have to say that you can pull maybe twice higher if you use 2-bars . I don't care if you see this as elitism or not , this is just simple logic .

Even though not wanting to press a button and get access to 6 new skills is something I don't support , I don't care unless you expect to be viable in end-game PvE .

Asardes wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I've seen may CP400+ spamming just 2-3 abilities over and over again. Those certainly fit on a single bar

well you see them spamming 2-3 attacks, but they spam also other skills for sure, like buff skills

2-3 skills Including those. "Rotation" for stamina 2H is something like that:
WB WB WB WB [runs out of stamina, waits a shard] rally WB WB WB WB (repeat)

Saw a mage NB yesterday in veteran Wayrest II which was almost CP 500 just casting funnel health with heavy attacks at everything. Even trash mobs took ages to die. So that will be the magicka version of the "rotation" described above.

I prefer Ambush, Concealed Strike, WB, Execution

Suter1972 wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Everyone can do whatever they want . As long as you know that you are limiting yourself because ''this is how you want to play'' , it is all good .

Enjoy your RP , enjoy your solo-content but if I see a person not swapping weapons at all and trying to do DPS with this ''playstyle'' in a group I lead , I will kick from group without questioning and I have 100% right to do that because that person is pulling the group down . Some might say that they pull good numbers with 1-bar but I don't even have to say that you can pull maybe twice higher if you use 2-bars . I don't care if you see this as elitism or not , this is just simple logic .

Even though not wanting to press a button and get access to 6 new skills is something I don't support , I don't care unless you expect to be viable in end-game PvE .

So youre basically saying 'everyone can play how they want but if you want to play with me you have to do as I say'

Nope . I am saying that if you want to be viable in end-game content , use everything you have and be as most useful as you can . If you are rejecting this on purpose , you shouldn't be in any end-game group . Anyone who limits themselves , limits their group as well . You can play however you want as long as you are not pulling others down . Your group members will have all the right to not invite you or kick you from group if you limit them .

Also , why would I want to play with someone who chooses to do half of what they can . Just look at the DPS rotations . Putting AOE DoTs from back bar and getting back to front bar where spammables are . That is all . Why would someone refuses to do this ? I don't see any logic in this . Are you missing fingers and not able to press a button ? I assume not . Asking again , why ?

So you wouldn't be amiss to using the double bar if the animation was more clean. I agree it looks silly the whole game was originally designed around the single bar notion before that was scrapped.

The good news is I doubt it will make trouble if you with a good group and improved your DPS.

Biggest problem with weapon switching is the waiting for it to switch before you can use your abilities on the second bar.

It's always about the big bad elitists out there.

Let me give you a piece of mind here.

If you join a group to clear a dungeon, and you KNOW your playstyle is very ineffective, you are basically shitting on 3 other people. You're basically saying: my enjoyment > 3 other people their enjoyment.

If you want to play with other people, you need to co-operate. Stop this selfish solo player "I enjoy the way I play and won't change it for anyone" crap.

This is what's really wrong with the game.

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Lets be honest, for 99% of the PvE content you only need one bar....


In a nutshell: Not everyone just logs in to run vet dungeons.

TBH, you can oneskill most vet dungeons.