Who is the best leader of the Alliances?

Minno · October 2016

High King Emeric

Should be noted:
- DC content highlights classic RPG/middle ages lore/leadership. There are powerful nobles each with an army, a king that unites them via marriage and money, and stories of leadership unrest. King Emeric is highly political and the source for bringing both orcs and redquards together without war.
- AD takes a stab at highlighting an Elven story involving heavy traditions and/or magic. Has a very "stealthy" take on the back scenes in that you are basically a spy (matches the stealthy races AD is comprised of). Even the Queen herself uses some shifty choices to get things done to there point where people don't trust her. And rightfully so (she is the starting point for the thalmor government in skrim

)
- EP is the only democracy faction. But mostly similar to Greek myths than an actual ruling form. Nords are similar to both Spartan and Vikings, their entire political system is based on whose stronger. Dunmer represent a weird mix of Greek city states and Macedon. The Argonians represent a sliver of the religious aspects of the region, especially of those areas that Macedonian armies or Viking armies invaded. The Skald-king is stuck between being a powerful figure in Nord society and trying to keep within the tribunals good graces for the sake of the pact. His struggles are yours as well, since your storyline follows this conflict trend; do i follow my individual instincts or do I pick the option that benefits the pact?

Mic1007 · October 2016

Milvan wrote: »

To all people defending Queen Ayreen, SHE IS THE FOUDING OF THALMOR GOVERNMENT.

THE THALMOR GOVERNMENT.

Nuff said.

Don't confuse what she created for the nefarious thing that was the Aldmeri Dominion in TESV. Ayrenn founded the first Aldmeri Dominion, which fell apart because its dream of union failed. The Third Aldmeri Dominion took her ideas and corrupted them to create their government.

I still vote for Sheogorath by the way.

Minno · October 2016

High King Emeric

Mic1007 wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

To all people defending Queen Ayreen, SHE IS THE FOUDING OF THALMOR GOVERNMENT.

THE THALMOR GOVERNMENT.

Nuff said.

Don't confuse what she created for the nefarious thing that was the Aldmeri Dominion in TESV. Ayrenn founded the first Aldmeri Dominion, which fell apart because its dream of union failed. The Third Aldmeri Dominion took her ideas and corrupted them to create their government.

I still vote for Sheogorath by the way.

Much of ESO's AD storyline still surrounds itself around spying, the general AD social consensus that says " Queen Ayreen is too soft, and the overall elitist mentality of many high elves means that the only unifying idea from her ruling was that elves can form one powerful entity to rule the other kingdoms.

The romantic AD kindom was doomed as soon as she took power.

Nyx2 · October 2016

High King Emeric

I don't know much about Jorunn yet but the only one disqualified from my vote is Ayrenn. She tries way too hard to make the player like her and to not seem like a Queen. She's incredibly naive and every time you encounter her there is someone turning on her. That whole alliance is just awful in every way.

DMuehlhausen · October 2016

High King Emeric

My favorite is Jorunn, but I think Emeric is the best overall leader.

Alina_Scarbridge · October 2016

Queen Ayrenn

Long live the Queen!!

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2016

Skald-King Jorunn

Mic1007 wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

To all people defending Queen Ayreen, SHE IS THE FOUDING OF THALMOR GOVERNMENT.

THE THALMOR GOVERNMENT.

Nuff said.

Don't confuse what she created for the nefarious thing that was the Aldmeri Dominion in TESV. Ayrenn founded the first Aldmeri Dominion, which fell apart because its dream of union failed. The Third Aldmeri Dominion took her ideas and corrupted them to create their government.

I still vote for Sheogorath by the way.

Dont mistake the difference in time for a different entity. This is the birth of the Thalmor we see in TESV. The Veiled Heritance is everything we've come to know and expect from the Thalmor in Skyrim. Its also laid out by the quest to introduce a new Mane that without the Mane and the Silvenar at Aryenns side the AD would come undone and the Veiled Heritance would make a sudden return (implying they arent actually gone or at the very least there are players in the political system that would gladly revive it for their own purposes).

Aryenns mistake is that she thrust herself back into a society that doesnt think or view the world the way she does. Its not a fluke that the Veiled Heritance could not only spur a full on rebellion in Auridon (a location in the Summerset Isles with much more contact with the rest of Tamriel and other races....a location youd expect to be a little more liberal and accepting of others) but project their power to Valenwood. Thats a strong signal that the Veiled Heritance has some serious backing in the upper echelons of Altmer society and military. And if the most influencial and powerful members of a society are racist and bent on the subjugation of their own allies (exactly what the Thalmor of Skyrim are accused of). Its a strong indicator that the society as a whole feels this way.

WhitePawPrints · October 2016

Queen Ayrenn

Queen Ayrenn fights her own battles, and your main goal is to fortify the diplomatic relationships with all three races, and eventually all ten. Of all she respects the other cultures the most, and without that war will always be inevitable.

How many times do you have to save the Nord? And his motivation is just because he wants to be the Emperor.

Emeric at least is qualified, but he's too old and you have to save his ass too.

crashen17b14_ESO · October 2016

High King Emeric

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

SolarCat02 · October 2016

High King Emeric

I like Queen Ayrenn and her ideals the best, but unfortunately if something happens to her the rest of the Aldmeri Dominion will fall back into its racist ways. She doesn't have enough support to sustain this change she is working towards, and I feel the next generation needs to be considered when choosing which side is the "best" to rule Tamriel.

King Emeric has the support of his people. Yes, he questions himself a lot, but at the end of the day when action is needed he does what he feels is the right thing. I feel that is important. He makes mistakes. He also has a conscience, and it feels like he is trying.

Jorunn I feel would be a mistake. He is ruled by his temper too often, and that will lead to bad places in my opinion.

WhitePawPrints · October 2016

Queen Ayrenn

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

High King Emeric

Jorund is, while noble hearted, largely ineffectual in the face of the dunmer and argonian politics. His goals are noble, his allies methods are somewhat less so.

Ayrenn is nieve at best, a warmonger at worst. At best, she is idealistic to the point of foolishness surrounding herself with untrustworthy, xenophobic people and sending war criminals off to war. (See black marsh's hatching pools incident.) At worst, she is a warmonger considering anyone that is not Aldmeri savages, willing to enslave them in the rigid caste system of the Altmer, and leave the same war criminals in charge of their care which will inevitibly lead to a genocide whether or not she orders it.

Emeric's generals are guilty of warcrimes, yes. Emeric is largely greedy, yes. But his reasons for starting his alliance and subsequent steps toward them, along with the treatment of races of other alliances in his alliances capitol say volumes about his truthfullness about what he wants. Free trade, a guarentee his people will never again be slaves to elves, and equall treatment, which they provide in spades for Argonians, Dunmer, Bosmer alike. (There are peasent NPC's all around wayrest who you can talk to and will tell you their perfectly happy working manual labor jobs.)

Emeric is the only sensible choice.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

High King Emeric

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Ayrenn puts too much faith in a clearly racist people who time and again try to betray her, summon daedric powers to kill her, or make pacts to drag the Altmer out of the war on multiple occasions. They dont. Want. To fight. But Ayrenn is making them because we must save the savages from themselves.

Mandragora · October 2016

Queen Ayrenn

I voted for Ayrenn, because Razum-dar is fond of her and I'm fond of Razum-dar - I really felt like part of their secret police, so he is my boss, so I vote for his vote.

Emeric is a typical king of typical knight-army and it is a bit ordinary to get my votes.

Jorunn is OK, but the only thing I remember from Skyrim is drinking a lot of beer in any occasion, I don't remember anything else, so I cannot vote for something I don't remember.

WhitePawPrints · October 2016

Queen Ayrenn

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Then what is the desired course of action for the Altmer? If the Queen acknowledging and actively working to amend racism and sins is not enough, then what? She is looking to amend the divide between the races. She is seen as a betrayer to many of her own race because she wants to amend those divides.

You want retribution? The destruction of the Altmer culture that previously practiced racists beliefs? That is only continuing the cycle of destruction, hatred and slavery. Depends the divide.

Saying she is "not doing enough" when she is the first Altmer to take those steps is arrogant. To fix the sins of her people does not happen overnight, and is only made harder by those unwilling to accept that she is attempting amends.

Prof_Bawbag · October 2016

They're all bad. There's little difference between those 3 and every other npc quest giver in the game. They're all lazy gits and don't have much beyond using my toons as their errand boy.

"Whilst you go running to the 4 corners of the dungeon/ruin/landmark/area to eradicate those fuzzy clouds/crystals/or work out some inane puzzle that is a carbon copy of the last standing stone icon puzzle, I will just stand outside this gate doing absolutely nothing" and "Once you have finished with doing those inane Errand Boy tasks, the 2nd part of the quest will be a rinse and repeat of the last clutch of tasks"

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

High King Emeric

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Then what is the desired course of action for the Altmer? If the Queen acknowledging and actively working to amend racism and sins is not enough, then what? She is looking to amend the divide between the races. She is seen as a betrayer to many of her own race because she wants to amend those divides.

You want retribution? The destruction of the Altmer culture that previously practiced racists beliefs? That is only continuing the cycle of destruction, hatred and slavery. Depends the divide.

Saying she is "not doing enough" when she is the first Altmer to take those steps is arrogant.

I'd like for Ayrenn to accept her people dont want *** to do with the war, withdraw from a throne she likely does not deserve, and actually tend to the culture rahter than involving herself in a thousand different wars.

Patting her on the back for warmongering instead of tending to her people is idiotic.

WhitePawPrints · October 2016

Queen Ayrenn

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Then what is the desired course of action for the Altmer? If the Queen acknowledging and actively working to amend racism and sins is not enough, then what? She is looking to amend the divide between the races. She is seen as a betrayer to many of her own race because she wants to amend those divides.

You want retribution? The destruction of the Altmer culture that previously practiced racists beliefs? That is only continuing the cycle of destruction, hatred and slavery. Depends the divide.

Saying she is "not doing enough" when she is the first Altmer to take those steps is arrogant.

I'd like for Ayrenn to accept her people dont want *** to do with the war, withdraw from a throne she likely does not deserve, and actually tend to the culture rahter than involving herself in a thousand different wars.

Patting her on the back for warmongering instead of tending to her people is idiotic.

Ha! That can literally be said about every Monarch in the history of everything ever.

And okay, let's say she does withdraw from the fight for the Throne... then the Inheritance would gain control and you' have the tyrannical Estre. That sounds much better...

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2016

Skald-King Jorunn

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Ayrenn puts too much faith in a clearly racist people who time and again try to betray her, summon daedric powers to kill her, or make pacts to drag the Altmer out of the war on multiple occasions. They dont. Want. To fight. But Ayrenn is making them because we must save the savages from themselves.

Its the Bosmer that actually make up the majority of the Aldmeri Dominions Army. While we dont know for sure yet how much of Elswyr followed the Mane into the Alliance. Its most likely not all of them did. While all of Valenwood is definitely AD.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

High King Emeric

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Then what is the desired course of action for the Altmer? If the Queen acknowledging and actively working to amend racism and sins is not enough, then what? She is looking to amend the divide between the races. She is seen as a betrayer to many of her own race because she wants to amend those divides.

You want retribution? The destruction of the Altmer culture that previously practiced racists beliefs? That is only continuing the cycle of destruction, hatred and slavery. Depends the divide.

Saying she is "not doing enough" when she is the first Altmer to take those steps is arrogant.

I'd like for Ayrenn to accept her people dont want *** to do with the war, withdraw from a throne she likely does not deserve, and actually tend to the culture rahter than involving herself in a thousand different wars.

Patting her on the back for warmongering instead of tending to her people is idiotic.

Ha! That can literally be said about every Monarch in the history of everything ever.

And okay, let's say she does withdraw from the fight for the Throne... then the Inheritance would gain control and you' have the tyrannical Estre. That sounds much better...

And? Their high elves. It's what they do. let them wreck their own culture and stay on summerset, as long as they keep to themselves I could care less how much of a hole they dig themselves into.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

High King Emeric

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Ayrenn puts too much faith in a clearly racist people who time and again try to betray her, summon daedric powers to kill her, or make pacts to drag the Altmer out of the war on multiple occasions. They dont. Want. To fight. But Ayrenn is making them because we must save the savages from themselves.

Its the Bosmer that actually make up the majority of the Aldmeri Dominions Army. While we dont know for sure yet how much of Elswyr followed the Mane into the Alliance. Its most likely not all of them did. While all of Valenwood is definitely AD.

Is that recorded somewhere? I'm not desputing it, Mind, but every source I could find said the Khajiit made the bulk of Domimion infantry. If you could give me a source for that, that'd be great.

WhitePawPrints · October 2016

Queen Ayrenn

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Then what is the desired course of action for the Altmer? If the Queen acknowledging and actively working to amend racism and sins is not enough, then what? She is looking to amend the divide between the races. She is seen as a betrayer to many of her own race because she wants to amend those divides.

You want retribution? The destruction of the Altmer culture that previously practiced racists beliefs? That is only continuing the cycle of destruction, hatred and slavery. Depends the divide.

Saying she is "not doing enough" when she is the first Altmer to take those steps is arrogant.

I'd like for Ayrenn to accept her people dont want *** to do with the war, withdraw from a throne she likely does not deserve, and actually tend to the culture rahter than involving herself in a thousand different wars.

Patting her on the back for warmongering instead of tending to her people is idiotic.

Ha! That can literally be said about every Monarch in the history of everything ever.

And okay, let's say she does withdraw from the fight for the Throne... then the Inheritance would gain control and you' have the tyrannical Estre. That sounds much better...

And? Their high elves. It's what they do. let them wreck their own culture and stay on summerset, as long as they keep to themselves I could care less how much of a hole they dig themselves into.

You'd think the Veiled Inheritance would stay on Summerset Isle?! They'd be just as bad as the Thalmor in Elder Scrolls V.

And that's your idea of an Emperor? Let them destroy themselves? My god, you are not good at arguing the case for Emeric. Aryenn is trying to unite the races! Not split them up! To that end so is Emeric! You'd probably be best supporting the Nord.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

High King Emeric

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Then what is the desired course of action for the Altmer? If the Queen acknowledging and actively working to amend racism and sins is not enough, then what? She is looking to amend the divide between the races. She is seen as a betrayer to many of her own race because she wants to amend those divides.

You want retribution? The destruction of the Altmer culture that previously practiced racists beliefs? That is only continuing the cycle of destruction, hatred and slavery. Depends the divide.

Saying she is "not doing enough" when she is the first Altmer to take those steps is arrogant.

I'd like for Ayrenn to accept her people dont want *** to do with the war, withdraw from a throne she likely does not deserve, and actually tend to the culture rahter than involving herself in a thousand different wars.

Patting her on the back for warmongering instead of tending to her people is idiotic.

Ha! That can literally be said about every Monarch in the history of everything ever.

And okay, let's say she does withdraw from the fight for the Throne... then the Inheritance would gain control and you' have the tyrannical Estre. That sounds much better...

And? Their high elves. It's what they do. let them wreck their own culture and stay on summerset, as long as they keep to themselves I could care less how much of a hole they dig themselves into.

You'd think the Veiled Inheritance would stay on Summerset Isle?! They'd be just as bad as the Thalmor in Elder Scrolls V.

And that's your idea of an Emperor? Let them destroy themselves? My god, you are not good at arguing the case for Emeric. Aryenn is trying to unite the races! Not split them up! To that end so is Emeric! You'd probably be best supporting the Nord.

...At what point would have I been in favor of splitting the races? I said I personally dont care.

Emeric, however, does. And he's perfectly willing to trade with Khajiit and bosmer so long as no agression is made. He's perfectly willing to trade with anyone, too.

For that matter, his system of government would likely be the least impactfull on culture. Leave every king to govern their own people, likely set up a talking point with everyone, have the Lion guard root out criminals who fly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and let people settle their own affairs. He does not want to run things, he really only wants to open up trade.

As for the Veiled Heritance. I dont know. Considering at the point the Heritance took control the Khajiit and Bosmer might understandibly make armistances and truces and turn on the Heritance, and possibly be a rallying point for a more peace-related effort It would entirely depend on what talks went how. I think the pact would totally use this opportunity to try and invade but Emeric might lend aid in exchange for trade agreements and work the particulars out later. His eventual goal would likely be to secure an alliance with them that might feed into the covenant, but aside from that I cant really say what would happen.

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2016

Skald-King Jorunn

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Ayrenn puts too much faith in a clearly racist people who time and again try to betray her, summon daedric powers to kill her, or make pacts to drag the Altmer out of the war on multiple occasions. They dont. Want. To fight. But Ayrenn is making them because we must save the savages from themselves.

Its the Bosmer that actually make up the majority of the Aldmeri Dominions Army. While we dont know for sure yet how much of Elswyr followed the Mane into the Alliance. Its most likely not all of them did. While all of Valenwood is definitely AD.

Is that recorded somewhere? I'm not desputing it, Mind, but every source I could find said the Khajiit made the bulk of Domimion infantry. If you could give me a source for that, that'd be great.

In a lore book found in Valenwood. Cant remember the name now. Im not saying the Khajiit dont make up a significant number of Dominion Troops. The Altmer for sure isnt making up the bulk.

RAGUNAnoOne · October 2016

No Stibbons option?

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

High King Emeric

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Ayrenn puts too much faith in a clearly racist people who time and again try to betray her, summon daedric powers to kill her, or make pacts to drag the Altmer out of the war on multiple occasions. They dont. Want. To fight. But Ayrenn is making them because we must save the savages from themselves.

Its the Bosmer that actually make up the majority of the Aldmeri Dominions Army. While we dont know for sure yet how much of Elswyr followed the Mane into the Alliance. Its most likely not all of them did. While all of Valenwood is definitely AD.

Is that recorded somewhere? I'm not desputing it, Mind, but every source I could find said the Khajiit made the bulk of Domimion infantry. If you could give me a source for that, that'd be great.

In a lore book found in Valenwood. Cant remember the name now. Im not saying the Khajiit dont make up a significant number of Dominion Troops. The Altmer for sure isnt making up the bulk.

I'll have to go through my library again and see if I cant find it. Thanks though.

WhitePawPrints · October 2016

Queen Ayrenn

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Then what is the desired course of action for the Altmer? If the Queen acknowledging and actively working to amend racism and sins is not enough, then what? She is looking to amend the divide between the races. She is seen as a betrayer to many of her own race because she wants to amend those divides.

You want retribution? The destruction of the Altmer culture that previously practiced racists beliefs? That is only continuing the cycle of destruction, hatred and slavery. Depends the divide.

Saying she is "not doing enough" when she is the first Altmer to take those steps is arrogant.

I'd like for Ayrenn to accept her people dont want *** to do with the war, withdraw from a throne she likely does not deserve, and actually tend to the culture rahter than involving herself in a thousand different wars.

Patting her on the back for warmongering instead of tending to her people is idiotic.

Ha! That can literally be said about every Monarch in the history of everything ever.

And okay, let's say she does withdraw from the fight for the Throne... then the Inheritance would gain control and you' have the tyrannical Estre. That sounds much better...

And? Their high elves. It's what they do. let them wreck their own culture and stay on summerset, as long as they keep to themselves I could care less how much of a hole they dig themselves into.

You'd think the Veiled Inheritance would stay on Summerset Isle?! They'd be just as bad as the Thalmor in Elder Scrolls V.

And that's your idea of an Emperor? Let them destroy themselves? My god, you are not good at arguing the case for Emeric. Aryenn is trying to unite the races! Not split them up! To that end so is Emeric! You'd probably be best supporting the Nord.

...At what point would have I been in favor of splitting the races? I said I personally dont care.

Emeric, however, does. And he's perfectly willing to trade with Khajiit and bosmer so long as no agression is made. He's perfectly willing to trade with anyone, too.

For that matter, his system of government would likely be the least impactfull on culture. Leave every king to govern their own people, likely set up a talking point with everyone, have the Lion guard root out criminals who fly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and let people settle their own affairs. He does not want to run things, he really only wants to open up trade.

As for the Veiled Heritance. I dont know. Considering at the point the Heritance took control the Khajiit and Bosmer might understandibly make armistances and truces and turn on the Heritance, and possibly be a rallying point for a more peace-related effort It would entirely depend on what talks went how. I think the pact would totally use this opportunity to try and invade but Emeric might lend aid in exchange for trade agreements and work the particulars out later.

Emeric would be a very successful Monarch, no doubt and I never disagreed with that. It is your logic that I disagree with.

Aryenn is trying to unite the races, and in order to do that she has to get involved in certain conflicts. You vehemently opposed that, but in the hypothetical situation that Estre was the ruler and she would cause the Dominion to dissolve and cause a lot of conflict, you say it's okay for Emeric to get involved in that. That is a direct contradiction.

You also say that Aryenn needs to withdraw from her claim to the throne, but you would also want open trade? Estre would not allow that, and would further destabilize Emeric's rule.

Ideally Emeric and Aryenn would call a truce, and Emeric would rule with Aryenn's support until he dies then Aryenn would rule with Emeric's ghost's support.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

High King Emeric

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Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

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crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Then what is the desired course of action for the Altmer? If the Queen acknowledging and actively working to amend racism and sins is not enough, then what? She is looking to amend the divide between the races. She is seen as a betrayer to many of her own race because she wants to amend those divides.

You want retribution? The destruction of the Altmer culture that previously practiced racists beliefs? That is only continuing the cycle of destruction, hatred and slavery. Depends the divide.

Saying she is "not doing enough" when she is the first Altmer to take those steps is arrogant.

I'd like for Ayrenn to accept her people dont want *** to do with the war, withdraw from a throne she likely does not deserve, and actually tend to the culture rahter than involving herself in a thousand different wars.

Patting her on the back for warmongering instead of tending to her people is idiotic.

Ha! That can literally be said about every Monarch in the history of everything ever.

And okay, let's say she does withdraw from the fight for the Throne... then the Inheritance would gain control and you' have the tyrannical Estre. That sounds much better...

And? Their high elves. It's what they do. let them wreck their own culture and stay on summerset, as long as they keep to themselves I could care less how much of a hole they dig themselves into.

You'd think the Veiled Inheritance would stay on Summerset Isle?! They'd be just as bad as the Thalmor in Elder Scrolls V.

And that's your idea of an Emperor? Let them destroy themselves? My god, you are not good at arguing the case for Emeric. Aryenn is trying to unite the races! Not split them up! To that end so is Emeric! You'd probably be best supporting the Nord.

...At what point would have I been in favor of splitting the races? I said I personally dont care.

Emeric, however, does. And he's perfectly willing to trade with Khajiit and bosmer so long as no agression is made. He's perfectly willing to trade with anyone, too.

For that matter, his system of government would likely be the least impactfull on culture. Leave every king to govern their own people, likely set up a talking point with everyone, have the Lion guard root out criminals who fly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and let people settle their own affairs. He does not want to run things, he really only wants to open up trade.

As for the Veiled Heritance. I dont know. Considering at the point the Heritance took control the Khajiit and Bosmer might understandibly make armistances and truces and turn on the Heritance, and possibly be a rallying point for a more peace-related effort It would entirely depend on what talks went how. I think the pact would totally use this opportunity to try and invade but Emeric might lend aid in exchange for trade agreements and work the particulars out later.

Emeric would be a very successful Monarch, no doubt and I never disagreed with that. It is your logic that I disagree with.

Aryenn is trying to unite the races, and in order to do that she has to get involved in certain conflicts. You vehemently opposed that, but in the hypothetical situation that Estre was the ruler and she would cause the Dominion to dissolve and cause a lot of conflict, you say it's okay for Emeric to get involved in that. That is a direct contradiction.

You also say that Aryenn needs to withdraw from her claim to the throne, but you would also want open trade? Estre would not allow that, and would further destabilize Emeric's rule.

Ideally Emeric and Aryenn would call a truce, and Emeric would rule with Aryenn's support until he dies then Aryenn would rule with Emeric's ghost's support.

Are you really under the impression that Aryenn would be open to trade? Redo the main quest and lisen to her diologue at the summit. She reguards Emeric like a greedy child, and is still in this war for the wrong reasons. She would never consent to trade, never consent to an alliance, unless it was unconditionally in her favor and gave the Altmer full control over 'lesser races'.

She does not want to unite, she wants to enslave and conquer. She will call it different things, but the end result is the same. Orcs treated like non-people. Bretons resume their place as elven servants. Redguards, their auxilary infantry. To say nothing of the genocide they would visit on the Argonians, for their Khajiit allies, and the Dunmer for ancestral tresspasses. The nords they would likely make laborers seeing them as snow-barbarians.

WhitePawPrints · October 2016

Queen Ayrenn

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Then what is the desired course of action for the Altmer? If the Queen acknowledging and actively working to amend racism and sins is not enough, then what? She is looking to amend the divide between the races. She is seen as a betrayer to many of her own race because she wants to amend those divides.

You want retribution? The destruction of the Altmer culture that previously practiced racists beliefs? That is only continuing the cycle of destruction, hatred and slavery. Depends the divide.

Saying she is "not doing enough" when she is the first Altmer to take those steps is arrogant.

I'd like for Ayrenn to accept her people dont want *** to do with the war, withdraw from a throne she likely does not deserve, and actually tend to the culture rahter than involving herself in a thousand different wars.

Patting her on the back for warmongering instead of tending to her people is idiotic.

Ha! That can literally be said about every Monarch in the history of everything ever.

And okay, let's say she does withdraw from the fight for the Throne... then the Inheritance would gain control and you' have the tyrannical Estre. That sounds much better...

And? Their high elves. It's what they do. let them wreck their own culture and stay on summerset, as long as they keep to themselves I could care less how much of a hole they dig themselves into.

You'd think the Veiled Inheritance would stay on Summerset Isle?! They'd be just as bad as the Thalmor in Elder Scrolls V.

And that's your idea of an Emperor? Let them destroy themselves? My god, you are not good at arguing the case for Emeric. Aryenn is trying to unite the races! Not split them up! To that end so is Emeric! You'd probably be best supporting the Nord.

...At what point would have I been in favor of splitting the races? I said I personally dont care.

Emeric, however, does. And he's perfectly willing to trade with Khajiit and bosmer so long as no agression is made. He's perfectly willing to trade with anyone, too.

For that matter, his system of government would likely be the least impactfull on culture. Leave every king to govern their own people, likely set up a talking point with everyone, have the Lion guard root out criminals who fly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and let people settle their own affairs. He does not want to run things, he really only wants to open up trade.

As for the Veiled Heritance. I dont know. Considering at the point the Heritance took control the Khajiit and Bosmer might understandibly make armistances and truces and turn on the Heritance, and possibly be a rallying point for a more peace-related effort It would entirely depend on what talks went how. I think the pact would totally use this opportunity to try and invade but Emeric might lend aid in exchange for trade agreements and work the particulars out later.

Emeric would be a very successful Monarch, no doubt and I never disagreed with that. It is your logic that I disagree with.

Aryenn is trying to unite the races, and in order to do that she has to get involved in certain conflicts. You vehemently opposed that, but in the hypothetical situation that Estre was the ruler and she would cause the Dominion to dissolve and cause a lot of conflict, you say it's okay for Emeric to get involved in that. That is a direct contradiction.

You also say that Aryenn needs to withdraw from her claim to the throne, but you would also want open trade? Estre would not allow that, and would further destabilize Emeric's rule.

Ideally Emeric and Aryenn would call a truce, and Emeric would rule with Aryenn's support until he dies then Aryenn would rule with Emeric's ghost's support.

Are you really under the impression that Aryenn would be open to trade? Redo the main quest and lisen to her diologue at the summit. She reguards Emeric like a greedy child, and is still in this war for the wrong reasons. She would never consent to trade, never consent to an alliance, unless it was unconditionally in her favor and gave the Altmer full control over 'lesser races'.

Compromise would be required of both Aryenn and Emeric, and yes I do believe both are willing to reach a compromise. Listen to Emeric's dialogue, that he believes Aryenn capable but simply too young to rule. I've repeatedly said that Aryenn is looking to unite races, not rule over them.

I am getting no where with this. You have way too strong of a bias toward the Altmer that you cannot see peace with them. Any actions to dethrone Aryenn would guarantee are far more racist Altmer taking control.

And now you're questioning her motives even though she has proven to respect other cultures and participated in foreign rituals. Bias confirmed.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

High King Emeric

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

crashen17b14_ESO wrote: »

High King Emeric. He is the most realistic, believable leader. Yes, he might seem unsure of himself or wishy washy, but remember, he only expresses those doubts in private to you (his champion) or his wife.

He seems the most accepting of all people, provided they play ball and dont cause trouble. He doesnt believe in human supremacy, slavery or stomping out the cultures of other races. He is a skilled enough diplomat and politician that he was able to unite the Orsimer and Redguard, who are historically the bitterest of enemies next to dunmer and argonians.

The Covenant and Emeric attempt to represent and continue the Cyrodiilic Empire pre-longhouse emperors.

Ayrenn, despite her pretty words and prettier voice still looks upon the other races as children, who need to be guided by the wise, venerable, superior Altmer and their drug addicted pet cats, and backwoods cannibalistic cousins. She might seem sweet, but she STILL believes the Altmer to be the superior race. Despite somehow being both a child queen (in the eyes of the elves) and being an experienced adventurer (in the eyes of the men and beast folk). Her very system of government is consistently undermined by the every day institutionalized racism of her own people, yet she presumes to look down on literally everyone else as younger child-races who need her benevolent rule? Something doesnt jive, and its clear how her government gave way to the Thalmor of the fourth era.

Because remember, back in the day, africans were seen as lesser people who needed the wise and benevolent guidance of white men. Ayrenn and the Dominion are not that different. Even the best intentions can be easily perverted and corrupted.

I know nothing about Jorunn. He is a non-entity.

I do not disagree about Emeric.

However Ayrenn acknowledges the problems with her own race and actively works to create an more accepting culture of Aldermi. She may still believe the Altmer are superior, but that is probably because they ARE. She wants to offer the knowledge of her culture while learning about others - 2/3 of the Dominion quest are helping her go through the other two cultural rituals so that the Botmer and Khajiit have their own voice with the Queen. She doesn't want to force her culture on others. In a lot of ways, she parallels with Paarathurnax from Skyrim when facing the racisms within the Altmer.

Not to mention that it was the cultural knowledge of the Altmer that helped curb the epidemic that ravaged entire populations, and made several go instinct. That intervention saved the Khajiit race.

Now only if she could disband the Thalmor for good.

Acknowledgement does not just over-ride centuries of raicsm and hatred for the races of man. Acknowledgement does not just erase centuries of slavery by the Alyieds or the tendancy elven races have to just start wars rather than leave the races of men alone. (See, Snow elves, who set fire to Sarthaal which sparked their extinction.)

I have no doubt if they didn't need Khajiit to be the bulk of their fighting forces they would have left them to die.

Then what is the desired course of action for the Altmer? If the Queen acknowledging and actively working to amend racism and sins is not enough, then what? She is looking to amend the divide between the races. She is seen as a betrayer to many of her own race because she wants to amend those divides.

You want retribution? The destruction of the Altmer culture that previously practiced racists beliefs? That is only continuing the cycle of destruction, hatred and slavery. Depends the divide.

Saying she is "not doing enough" when she is the first Altmer to take those steps is arrogant.

I'd like for Ayrenn to accept her people dont want *** to do with the war, withdraw from a throne she likely does not deserve, and actually tend to the culture rahter than involving herself in a thousand different wars.

Patting her on the back for warmongering instead of tending to her people is idiotic.

Ha! That can literally be said about every Monarch in the history of everything ever.

And okay, let's say she does withdraw from the fight for the Throne... then the Inheritance would gain control and you' have the tyrannical Estre. That sounds much better...

And? Their high elves. It's what they do. let them wreck their own culture and stay on summerset, as long as they keep to themselves I could care less how much of a hole they dig themselves into.

You'd think the Veiled Inheritance would stay on Summerset Isle?! They'd be just as bad as the Thalmor in Elder Scrolls V.

And that's your idea of an Emperor? Let them destroy themselves? My god, you are not good at arguing the case for Emeric. Aryenn is trying to unite the races! Not split them up! To that end so is Emeric! You'd probably be best supporting the Nord.

...At what point would have I been in favor of splitting the races? I said I personally dont care.

Emeric, however, does. And he's perfectly willing to trade with Khajiit and bosmer so long as no agression is made. He's perfectly willing to trade with anyone, too.

For that matter, his system of government would likely be the least impactfull on culture. Leave every king to govern their own people, likely set up a talking point with everyone, have the Lion guard root out criminals who fly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and let people settle their own affairs. He does not want to run things, he really only wants to open up trade.

As for the Veiled Heritance. I dont know. Considering at the point the Heritance took control the Khajiit and Bosmer might understandibly make armistances and truces and turn on the Heritance, and possibly be a rallying point for a more peace-related effort It would entirely depend on what talks went how. I think the pact would totally use this opportunity to try and invade but Emeric might lend aid in exchange for trade agreements and work the particulars out later.

Emeric would be a very successful Monarch, no doubt and I never disagreed with that. It is your logic that I disagree with.

Aryenn is trying to unite the races, and in order to do that she has to get involved in certain conflicts. You vehemently opposed that, but in the hypothetical situation that Estre was the ruler and she would cause the Dominion to dissolve and cause a lot of conflict, you say it's okay for Emeric to get involved in that. That is a direct contradiction.

You also say that Aryenn needs to withdraw from her claim to the throne, but you would also want open trade? Estre would not allow that, and would further destabilize Emeric's rule.

Ideally Emeric and Aryenn would call a truce, and Emeric would rule with Aryenn's support until he dies then Aryenn would rule with Emeric's ghost's support.

Are you really under the impression that Aryenn would be open to trade? Redo the main quest and lisen to her diologue at the summit. She reguards Emeric like a greedy child, and is still in this war for the wrong reasons. She would never consent to trade, never consent to an alliance, unless it was unconditionally in her favor and gave the Altmer full control over 'lesser races'.

Compromise would be required of both Aryenn and Emeric, and yes I do believe both are willing to reach a compromise. Listen to Emeric's dialogue, that he believes Aryenn capable but simply too young to rule. I've repeatedly said that Aryenn is looking to unite races, not rule over them.

I am getting no where with this. You have way too strong of a bias toward the Altmer that you cannot see peace with them. Any actions to dethrone Aryenn would guarantee are far more racist Altmer taking control.

You've stated it. Yet evidence to the contrary speaks volumes.

The Altmer, are elves, who have a consistant track record of genocide and imperialism. It's in their blood. No, I dont *** trust them, and probs never will.