RNG is killing me.

Wizzo91 · October 2016

Just a quick rant - gonna keep it short.

The itemization in ESO is terrible. Useless traits, huge loot tables with tons of crap nobody will ever use. And it all got worse with One Tamriel....I thought the goal was to bring people together? Yes in long and tedious grind sessions...

Been trying to farm Viper. 70+ runs and have seen two sharpened onehanders that went to somebody else. There is no end in sight. It just shows me how clueless the dev team is when they add traits like prosperous and training to ENDGAME loot tables and dilute them. I've played my share of MMOs - ESO is definitely the one with the most broken loot system I have experienced, because some traits are so superior to others.

Same goes for Maelstrom. Have done so many runs and weeklies and am still missing the weapons I actually want.

Add a Token system - even if you need crazy amounts of 40, 50. At least you can see the finish line. Or let crafters change the trait you know... easy solution.

Smasherx74 · October 2016

Yep, went through hundreds of keys today. Got literally nothing good.

SirAndy · October 2016

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Add a Token system

Been asked for many, many, many times but it never gets old. ZOS, we need a token system ...

Wizzo91 · October 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Yep, went through hundreds of keys today. Got literally nothing good.

Yes.. forgot to mention that. I also went through huge amounts of keys after the update hit. Not one shoulder I wanted.

It's broken.

davidj8291 · October 2016

They need three things.

Unbind feature, even if it is crazy expensive. Magister in the Mages Guild could easily do it.

Token system. Sorry. Not everyone wants to mindlessly grind PvE. PvP exclusives are infinitely easier to get than PvE exclusives. And some even primarily have PvE content that still allows you to get them (Imp City anything). And no, the Golden does not make up for it.

Updated crafting. Change traits on weapons, upgrade jewelry from purple to gold for jewelry that doesn't drop gold, etc.

Forcing PvE pushes people away from the game. Not forces them to play PvE.

davidj8291 · October 2016

If the Golden offered three different monster helm pieces a week, or maybe three different traits for AP and three for gold then it would make up for it.

Tryxus · October 2016

RNG is good and all, but ZOS took it to a whole new lvl:

- vDSA and vMSA desperately need a token system: it's too much work and takes too long for the rewards to be RNG-based
- Training and Prosperous HAVE GOT TO GO OUT OF THE LOOT TABLES! It's ok for the traits to drop on lvl1-50 gear, but not on Champion gear and definitely not on end game gear like monster sets and trial drops
- A refining of the loot tables: no more Axe of the Marksman, Restoration Staff of Salvation, Maul of the Lich,... with appropriate traits on the right weapons

spencer2361 · October 2016

Make prosperous like the royal ring of grandeur in diablo 3. Reduces the number of set items needed on a 5 piece by one and make training have the exp bonus and gold bonus together, at least only one bad trait would be available and the reduced set bonus might open some new builds

Paneross · October 2016

Beaten VDSA 10+ times. Still havent gotten the master bow im after..

LegendaryArcher · October 2016

vMA came out a year ago. Many competitive and loyal end-game players quit ESO over it after 1000+ runs without appropriate reward.

It's time.

Wizzo91 · October 2016

davidj8291 wrote: »

If the Golden offered three different monster helm pieces a week, or maybe three different traits for AP and three for gold then it would make up for it.

The Monster Sets are not the Problem anymore. They have a 100% drop chance in Vet. A small step in the right direction..

And the Golden is a sad attempt of fixing the *** itemization

Sugaroverdose · October 2016

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Just a quick rant - gonna keep it short.

The itemization in ESO is terrible. Useless traits, huge loot tables with tons of crap nobody will ever use. And it all got worse with One Tamriel....I thought the goal was to bring people together? Yes in long and tedious grind sessions...

Been trying to farm Viper. 70+ runs and have seen two sharpened onehanders that went to somebody else. There is no end in sight. It just shows me how clueless the dev team is when they add traits like prosperous and training to ENDGAME loot tables and dilute them. I've played my share of MMOs - ESO is definitely the one with the most broken loot system I have experienced, because some traits are so superior to others.

Same goes for Maelstrom. Have done so many runs and weeklies and am still missing the weapons I actually want.

Add a Token system - even if you need crazy amounts of 40, 50. At least you can see the finish line. Or let crafters change the trait you know... easy solution.

Try to get two sharpened swords from purple bags in cyrodiil town.
Actual chance to get required piece there is 0,8%, so with price 50k AP per bag you should get one piece with trait you want when you spend something like ~6.150.000 AP

Waffennacht · October 2016

I just bought 2 pieces from my PvP guild trader for 1k ea

Hunt around you may get lucky in traders

SublimeSparo · October 2016

Lol i feel your pain. God only knows (maybe Zos too) how many vMA completes i now have, but with 9 different stormproof characters that have each farmed it and made leaderboards regularly... i have still yet to receive a single offensive sharpened weapon (i have a Sharpened resto from leaderboards)
I'm pretty sure i have everything in charged and decisive and powered (not a powered resto though, typically)
Did some vDSA - master lightning staff... yep Charged, then Master sword... Sharpened cos need to pull those deeps on my tank or something.
200+ skull things from witches festival - no mask
1 year to get my SPC in good traits, and a medium divines kena shoulder (then got 2 in a row as don't have a use for them any more)
And scathing mage... well lets just say the only divines piece that ever dropped was on a random normal dungeon so was cp150.

kongkim · October 2016

Hate token systems its the most borring thing in any game and you never feel happy when you find or get anything. its just a grind aswell.

There was a good post some time ago about making a system were you can change traits or make it as a socket system. That would be a much better ide.

SublimeSparo · October 2016

I don't care what they do but they need to do something. Token/ trait change/ smart rng anything

Ackwalan · October 2016

Have to agree. The loot table is far to large with the different sets and traits. I'm not a fan of the token system, but with well over 50 sets and 8 traits, it's a needle in the haystack.

Wizzo91 · October 2016

kongkim wrote: »

Hate token systems its the most borring thing in any game and you never feel happy when you find or get anything. its just a grind aswell.

There was a good post some time ago about making a system were you can change traits or make it as a socket system. That would be a much better ide.

I partly agree. I token system may not be the optimal solution to the problem. But it is way better, than how it is now.

Armitas · October 2016

So very very tired. I was hoping to take a break from it by enjoying this holiday event but it's literally just RNG the whole way through.

failkiwib16_ESO · October 2016

Speaking of RNG I spent 3 hours+ searching guildstores for a purple soulshine necklace cp160, and I couldn't find even one. I tried spamming zonechat and nobody was selling through that either... found another guy searching for the same item though. There are plenty green and blue necklaces, but no purples.

At this point I'm just sick and tired of farming, so I buy what I need ..and RNG outside of dungeons is not better than inside dungeons. If I use a green or purple necklace, it will affect the other 4 pieces and the set bonuses will be much less than if it is purple

Wizzo91 · October 2016

Armitas wrote: »

So very very tired. I was hoping to take a break from it by enjoying this holiday event but it's literally just RNG the whole way through.

Yes even the holiday is just RNG, nothing more. Very very disappointing.

It seems like ZoS thinks RNG keeps content interesting. It is the opposite.

xX_NachtJager_xx · October 2016

Yeah, I wish they would only have a few sets per trial instead of all of them in every trial. It would make it a little easier to get the set you want. For example, only have ophidian gear in sanctum, and aether in hrc. See all of my characters are stam based so I have no need for aether. But at least I have made a little bit of $ off the 20 or so aether pieces I have gotten

k9mouse · October 2016

ZOS needs to focus on the Crafters and real people game play and start to move away from drops sets. Let the Crafters make items for people. I am losing my game play due to the drop sets overload, crown crates, and the crown store only items. I worked very, very hard to learn all the traits and ALL the styles. I would like to use my hard won skills for others. Drop sets are just in the way.

mtwiggz · October 2016

Token system would be nice. Realistically though all they need to do is remove the useless traits from end game gear. No one wants a Propserous monster helm or a training weapon.

The "smart loot" that they added in for some sets should span to all sets. Viper Restoration Staff? Nope. Spriggan's Destruction Staff? Nope.

Not to mention after defeating the most "difficult" solo content in the game you can be given a *** non-BiS vMA weapon? Who in their right mind wants a Charged vMA Destruction Staff or a Powered vMA 1H Axe? No one.

I understand that these are added in to prolong the content to force players to grind it. Yet it's ridiculous how many times you have to grind the same content over and over and over again and you still may never be rewarded with the item you want, in your entire life span.

Venom4You · October 2016

Nothing more to say. I completely agree with wizzo. It's just frustrating right now. Changes are needed.

AtmaDarkwolf · October 2016

they know what they are doing... they are getting you to spend more time playing, and possibly paying cash in the crown store to make said playing more tolerable (IE Fun don't sell these days, the illusion and fake promise of fun does though)

The loot tables and RNG are just a means to that end.

And this:

k9mouse wrote: »

ZOS needs to focus on the Crafters and real people game play and start to move away from drops sets. Let the Crafters make items for people. I am losing my game play due to the drop sets overload, crown crates, and the crown store only items. I worked very, very hard to learn all the traits and ALL the styles. I would like to use my hard won skills for others. Drop sets are just in the way.

Its very sad that I am a master crafter now, and I ONLY EVER get requests for 'leveling' gear, the expected TBS set, and maybe, just one out of every 30 requests, 2-3 pieces of another set(IE to fill extra spots, example torug pact swords for a magicka nightblade)

With one silly over-hyped garbage patch, they have with one fell swoop, cut off sources of profit for crafters, AND trial runners. (Also pvp, since now many of the items pvpers get in mail are just more trash)

Ackwalan · October 2016

Went farming for salvation gear for my WW. After about 3 hours in the public dungeon for that zone, I had 15 gloves 1 was sturdy, the rest were well-fitted and preposterous, and 2 shoulders both preposterous.

Shader_Shibes · October 2016

I have given up grinding for certain sets like Spriggans, Mothers Sorrow etc, many hours wasted for literally no worthwhile drops. I am however continuing my pursuit of Leviathan set -_-

Rng in this game is ultra bad, compounded even more now with the new sets and *** traits, the game certainly needs a new loot drop mechanic, and imo, is the games only weak spot atm.

Agobi · October 2016

Just a heads up...if anyone needs some lvl 50 ,cp160 setgear with Training trait....I have loads and loads...

(or had...since I deleted every last one of the garbage pieces)

Good job Zo$......or not

nordsavage · October 2016

Talk about RNG, I refined 4k-ish mats today and received less than 10 legendary materials and less than 20 epics. Good game @ZOS

davidj8291 · October 2016

Wizzo91 wrote: »

davidj8291 wrote: »

If the Golden offered three different monster helm pieces a week, or maybe three different traits for AP and three for gold then it would make up for it.

The Monster Sets are not the Problem anymore. They have a 100% drop chance in Vet. A small step in the right direction..

And the Golden is a sad attempt of fixing the *** itemization

They are for people who primarily PvP and have limited time to play. I don't want to grind a Vet Dungeon multiple times over, especially the hard ones like WGT or ICP, to get the trait I want.

Without a consistent, dependable group to suffer through the grind with you? It's nigh impossible with a more limited time table.