How to fix zerg issues without changing much!

Jaronking · October 2016

thankyourat wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

well imo, the only solution to break up zergs is to remove the aoe caps!!! then you would be able to hit a huge part of zergs, bomber builds would wreck zergs, people would need to think about tactics, and carefully move, not just make a huge zerg and zerg in to the enemy.

while I stand by my option, that zerging is a legit and appropriate war tactics even in the game, removing aoe caps would totally change cyro to better!!

but I am not sure if it would not increase the lag drastically

I doubt it would increase the lag since the large group clashes wouldn't happened because their be dead.

well then ok, aoe caps should go away, problem fixed !

if they take away aoe caps ZoS will just nerf all AoEs to compensate. Can't have one or two skilled players beating a blob of unskilled players, it would ruin their immersion

Exactly its pretty much the reason @ZOS_BrianWheeler said they won't add back dynamic ultimate regain he said it allow a better player to take out 1-2 less skilled or casual players and that wasn't fun for the casual less skilled players and only fun for the skilled player.So Zos doesn't want you to have a chance to win outnumbered fights.

He said this doing the I believe pax stream when they released the patch for one tamerial on the PTS.

Warraxx · October 2016

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Valencer · October 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

well imo, the only solution to break up zergs is to remove the aoe caps!!! then you would be able to hit a huge part of zergs, bomber builds would wreck zergs, people would need to think about tactics, and carefully move, not just make a huge zerg and zerg in to the enemy.

while I stand by my option, that zerging is a legit and appropriate war tactics even in the game, removing aoe caps would totally change cyro to better!!

but I am not sure if it would not increase the lag drastically

I doubt it would increase the lag since the large group clashes wouldn't happened because their be dead.

well then ok, aoe caps should go away, problem fixed !

if they take away aoe caps ZoS will just nerf all AoEs to compensate. Can't have one or two skilled players beating a blob of unskilled players, it would ruin their immersion

Exactly its pretty much the reason @ZOS_BrianWheeler said they won't add back dynamic ultimate regain he said it allow a better player to take out 1-2 less skilled or casual players and that wasn't fun for the casual less skilled players and only fun for the skilled player.So Zos doesn't want you to have a chance to win outnumbered fights.

He said this doing the I believe pax stream when they released the patch for one tamerial on the PTS.

Amusingly, they also want to encourage people to "spread out" to help combat the lag.

Why would anyone ever spread out when the meta is "bring more numbers, win"?

Sanct16 · October 2016

There is more important fixes, mechanics like negate, proxy, vicious death etc make stacking so unrewarding. The meta for ballgroups is to run with 1-2 meter distance between everyone so you still get heals but cant get bombed. Anything rly stacked gets blown up easily.

Amusingly the only people that i still see complaining about it are playing with full singletarget builds and use only dawnbreaker and reverse slice as aoe.

sirston · October 2016

Sanct16 wrote: »

There is more important fixes, mechanics like negate, proxy, vicious death etc make stacking so unrewarding. The meta for ballgroups is to run with 1-2 meter distance between everyone so you still get heals but cant get bombed. Anything rly stacked gets blown up easily.

Amusingly the only people that i still see complaining about it are playing with full singletarget builds and use only dawnbreaker and reverse slice as aoe.

Yeah totally agreed But the single target builds are the only ones that put out damage since they kill any other alternativy. Currently it seems they want the game to have alot of procs....

HoloYoitsu · October 2016

altemriel wrote: »

there were people polemizing earlier in AOE caps discussion, which one of these two would cause more lag:

- AOE caps in place, but the server has to count the percentages of hits for only those people, who are allowed to get hit by the aoe cap
- or NO AOE caps and the server has to count all the hits to all the people who would get hit by unrestricted AOEs

I am not a programmer, so I am not sure about that

Except there is nothing to debate. Devs have already publicly stated over a year ago that, yes aoe cap causes more calculations and increased server strain compared to no caps. The reason they won't remove caps is because "it would impact PvE balance".

sirston · October 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

there were people polemizing earlier in AOE caps discussion, which one of these two would cause more lag:

- AOE caps in place, but the server has to count the percentages of hits for only those people, who are allowed to get hit by the aoe cap
- or NO AOE caps and the server has to count all the hits to all the people who would get hit by unrestricted AOEs

I am not a programmer, so I am not sure about that

Except there is nothing to debate. Devs have already publicly stated over a year ago that, yes aoe cap causes more calculations and increased server strain compared to no caps. The reason they won't remove caps is because "it would impact PvE balance".

they have nothing to lose if they try on the PTS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯