Are you ok with Crown Store ONLY Motifs like the Grim Harlequin?

JamieAubrey · October 2016

Yes.

Yes, it looks horrid and I have 0 intent to buy it

I always where a costume so I don't really care what motifs look like TBH

KramUzibra · October 2016

Yes.

quadraxis666 wrote: »

It bugs me. I'm a fully maxed in everything +all traits crafter and motif collecting is one of those things I just have to do in this game. But I'm drawing the line here. the number of mimics is nice, and I have the crowns, but I'm not going to show zos that things like this are ok by buying into it. Grim Harlequin is going to be the one motif I don't have.

Lol purchased the motif twice! For both my characters. I might buy another for my nightblade even though he's not a crafter.

starkerealm · October 2016

Yes.

dominic.iraceb14_ESO wrote: »

I'm okay with either.. but for 5000 crowns, i feel like they think i'm a dummy.

Unless they changed it, it's 2200. And comes with 54 style stones. Even if you only wanted the mimic stones, it's actually a discount. Which... is weird as hell to me. So, conditionally... I'm okay with this. But it is the razor's edge of something I'd have serious problems with.

Solus · October 2016

Yes.

Yes, it was stated above that the motif is free, you're really just buying mimic stones at a discounted price.

They did it right. This will go away after Halloween, its not 40 bucks, its just a look ergo its not anything game changing, I could live without it. Besides the Hallowjack looks better anyways.

EDIT: Although the heavy armor looks BA IMO, Light and medium looks the same.

Poss · October 2016

Yes.

Have your forgotten Zenimax is a business? And at the same time, they're giving a full motif (which is pretty badass looking) out for free? Or do you just want everything for free??

Tryxus · October 2016

Yes.

Ja50nX wrote: »

...please tell me how spending real $ benefits me Tryxus ?

I have a crafter, and every time when I help someone out by making him/her a piece of gear, it makes me happy since I like to help ppl out the best way that I can. Having access to an exclusive motif means more ppl will come to me instead since it'll make my crafter more versatile. The more ppl I can help out with my crafter, the better.

(Also, in case you're wondering, I never charge anything for my crafting. This motif isn't gonna change that)

It's that versatility that makes this motif worth it. I was having my doubts, but the 2.2k price won me over.

Prof_Bawbag · October 2016

At first i was a bit 'meh' over the whole thing, then the price and the stones won me over. I don't delve into PvP much and was wondering where i was gonna get the materials to make the PvP motifs i have accumulated. This came along with 2400cr worth of free mimic stones (or whatever they're called). As far as the crown stores goes, this is a bargain. I think they should allow us to buy those crown dyes to add to our dye collection because I'm not gonna throwaway 200 crowns on a 1 time use dye.

Ja50nX · October 2016

No.

I wish I could say otherwise but I cant really say I am surprised how many ppl think spending $ = free.

@Tryxus it still doesnt help me in any way. I request the mats & dont charge either but WILL charge for this style if I do waste my leftover eso plus crowns. That gold will only go to my guild to get a trader for our members.

My crafter is 9 trait & only needs some akaviri motifs to know all styles excluding hallowjack. (I craft for 20+ ppl regularly) I do understand what you are trying to mean, but its still nothing more than a desperate grab for cash.

Nifty2g · October 2016

No.

branstark wrote: »

Have your forgotten Zenimax is a business? And at the same time, they're giving a full motif (which is pretty badass looking) out for free? Or do you just want everything for free??

I usually agree with this and for the most part I agree with the crownstore the whole time, however a crownstore only motif is too much I think its a very manipulative tactic plus I just think its taking advantage of crafters.

Iluvrien · October 2016

No.

Tryxus wrote: »

Ja50nX wrote: »

...please tell me how spending real $ benefits me Tryxus ?

I have a crafter, and every time when I help someone out by making him/her a piece of gear, it makes me happy since I like to help ppl out the best way that I can. Having access to an exclusive motif means more ppl will come to me instead since it'll make my crafter more versatile. The more ppl I can help out with my crafter, the better.

(Also, in case you're wondering, I never charge anything for my crafting. This motif isn't gonna change that)

It's that versatility that makes this motif worth it. I was having my doubts, but the 2.2k price won me over.

And the bolded section (my emphasis) is why there should never be Crown Store exclusive motifs. You are paying real money for an advantage in the crafting economy.

Yet another inelegant cash-grab by ZOS...

...and friends ask me why I am less enthusiastic about playing these days.

KramUzibra · October 2016

Yes.

Ja50nX wrote: »

I wish I could say otherwise but I cant really say I am surprised how many ppl think spending $ = free.

@Tryxus it still doesnt help me in any way. I request the mats & dont charge either but WILL charge for this style if I do waste my leftover eso plus crowns. That gold will only go to my guild to get a trader for our members.

My crafter is 9 trait & only needs some akaviri motifs to know all styles excluding hallowjack. (I craft for 20+ ppl regularly) I do understand what you are trying to mean, but its still nothing more than a desperate grab for cash.

"Desperate grab for cash"......? I disagree, I thinks it's smart business. There are people like me who wouldn't mind paying and appreciate the discounted mimic stones and the cheap motif.

Lord_Eomer · October 2016

Yes.

Why this pool? You got one motif free and one paid, what is the issue?

Why expecting everything to be free?

Tavore1138 · October 2016

Don`t know.

I'm ambivalent...

On one hand it is another broken promise... on the other hand it doesn't bother me that much to miss or pay for a craft style, there are so many now I have sort of stopped caring and tend to wear costumes more anyway... basically the constant torrent of mediocre, rushed out, motifs has removed my ability to feel strongly about one being crown only...

Reykice · October 2016

No.

branstark wrote: »

Have your forgotten Zenimax is a business? And at the same time, they're giving a full motif (which is pretty badass looking) out for free? Or do you just want everything for free??

This post and the other one saying he has work so no time to play are really bad.

First, its the rich people who can afford to stay home all day to play, so the next time you see one maybe think about why he doesn`t need to go to work...

Second yea its a business and i pay the sub and all that but i would like to get my motif in the game like before... i could buy it like you can buy a lot of things yet some stuff feels better when you earn it.

Anyway to each his own but i think they should leave it as it was and not to move things you could get in the game to the Crown Store, this is why i wanted a poll to see what others think.

TheValkyn · October 2016

Yes.

Reykice wrote: »

TheValkyn wrote: »

The motif was free... You paid 2200 crowns for 54 mimic stones which is a discount on their regular price.

By this logic i`ll give you a free apex mount, you just need to pay for the 10000 mimic stones i bundle it with. The package is 200$ but the mount is totally free! Good deal!

Ok straw man. I purchase mimic stones often because I work a lot. It lets me wear the motif I want and cuts down the time required to farm style mats. So purchasing a package that gives me 2 more stones for 200 crowns less is a bad thing? Do you also complain about other motifs being 5000 crowns vs 2200 and coming with significantly less mimic stones?

Your argument is flawed on so many levels.

Ja50nX · October 2016

No.

KramUzibra wrote: »

"Desperate grab for cash"......? I disagree, I thinks it's smart business. There are people like me who wouldn't mind paying and appreciate the discounted mimic stones and the cheap motif.

Smart business would be playing the game they created to fix/balance everything to keep players from leaving & make long term players actually want to spend real $ on it.

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2016

Yes.

Evergnar wrote: »

Dredlord wrote: »

Yes its cosmetic and not pay to win in any way.

More cosmetic stuff should be only in the crown store.

Guy buys motif. Guy sells his/her crafting services to make said motif for gold. Takes gold and buys gear.

I know it's not p2w but I wish players would give more thought as to how these things in the crown store effect the game and economy. Exclusive items bought from the crown store, with real $, that yield increased gold for the player are an issue imo. If it is obtainable in game (reasonably) then no problem.

Cosmetic items such as costumes, mounts, style parlor are different since there is no way to make gold from them.

Its literally no different than that player buying the Ancient Orc Motif in the store and then selling it armor he crafts for gold.

JD2013 · October 2016

Yes.

Yes I am okay with it as I personally don't like the motif. Nor do I neee to collect all the cosmetics.

I'm also happy it was the Grim Harlequin motif and not the Hollowjack motif in the store.

I'm guessing the next Crown Motif will be Stalhrim with the New Life Festival, and I likely will buy that if it's fairly priced like the Grim Harlequin because from what I've seen, it looks cool.

See y'all around the New Life Festival for this same discussion again!

Paneross · October 2016

Yes.

It doesn't affect gameplay what so ever.

kamimark · October 2016

Yes.

I wave my ridiculous Grim Harlequin staff, almost a Wabbajack, at you and laugh.

If someone wants me to craft something, I might do it for a good tip IF they can get the style item, I won't be using up my mimic stones on them.

I don't see turning real money into nearly useless gold (another 100K+ profit week, even tho all 3 of my auction houses are screwed up) as P2W, but maybe some people don't make a lot of gold?

MasterSpatula · October 2016

No.

KramUzibra wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

There is no such thing as "just cosmetic." For some, the most important thing is the combat. For others, it's the story. And for others, it's building their character into what they want it to be, including appearance. When you dismiss appearance issues as "just cosmetic," you're telling them they don't matter. They do.

Remember, at release, ZOS promised there would never be a cash shop. That's part of why I jumped ship from SWTOR. I used to play SWG, and I quit over the Collectible Card Game. "Real World money for In-Game items only happens in bad games," I said. Then I gave SWTOR a try, where RW money for IG items is completely out of control. I stuck around for the story, but bailed when I heard a game was coming out with TES lore and no cash shop.

They broke their promise, and I left.

But I came back because I missed it, and I saw things hadn't gotten as bad as I'd feared. The Crown Store is definitely not the atrocity that is SWTOR's Cartel Market, but the slope has definitely gotten slippier and slippier since I've been back.

Negative, motifs do not give a competitive advantage to the buyer soo zos didn't break any promises. Also real money for virtual items does not determine the quality of the game.

Me: "Hey, let's not dismiss other people's values."

You: Utter dismissal of other people's values.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · October 2016

Yes.

I hate cash grabs but this is the definition of cosmetic. I have no hate for this if you want to craft armor to let a way I'm fine with that. It's not a rare style that's impossibly hard to get and then offered in the Crown Store that a cash grab this is just fine. Buy the style or don't it's not extra stats or powers.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · October 2016

No.

Lets all remember the day ESO started to turn into Flyff. In other news next week they are selling glyphs that are 15% better than in game glyphs...

Samuel_Bantien · October 2016

No.

This was the same route Black Desert Online went, simple convenient things such as the pet that autolooted mobs for you (the crown store merchant in which you can sell scraps), now it comes to the BDO dyes that were sold for top money in their marketplace (ESO's version is the Hollowjack weapons/armor). I am certainly not looking forward to the path Zenimax Online Studios is walking through. Very steep slope.

Just my input on this matter.

Aquanova · October 2016

Yes.

It's cosmetic only and has no effect on actual game play so yeah why not?

They need to make money to keep the game going.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · October 2016

No.

Aquanova wrote: »

It's cosmetic only and has no effect on actual game play so yeah why not?

They need to make money to keep the game going.

buy motif, sell crafted gear in game for gold. AKA gold converter.

BenevolentBowd · October 2016

No.

As a mastercrafter, I don't see much point of buying this motif if I can't make items for others.

I have little need for crown mimic stones because I have a stockpile of style gems and most customers provide the style mats.

Personally, I don't think buying this motif is viable given my lack of mimic stones, lack of potential customers, no sustainable market of trade-able style gems, and the frequent release of new costumes that will be "all the rage" in future months.

One potential solution is to include a stipend of mimic stones in the ESO+ membership.

bedlom · October 2016

Well it's not the first CS exclusive cosmetic and it will not be the last.
Atleast they gave us a fair price with this one.
Might be the first motif but meh, I payed almost double for my glass armor coz I don't have the gaming time to grind for it.
It's the random lockbox exclusives that I am dreading.
You think RNG is bad now? Wait till it's costing you real money

DaniAngione · October 2016

Yes.

If they're few (yearly events) and follow the same reasonable precedent set by Grim Harlequin, with accessible price and a good deal of mimic stones, yes.

Wow · October 2016

No.

Consumers defending bad business practices of companies to justify their own purchases are worse than the companies that made bad business descisions in the first place.
Stop defending ZOS over the grim harlequin thing, they *** up, they are a big company they dont need your support or your petty downvoting of people that dont want to be screwed over.

This kind of thing pisses me off. You are the consumers, you are not the PR people of a company. Stop beeing unpaid shills and have some dignity.