Are you ok with Crown Store ONLY Motifs like the Grim Harlequin?

DurzoBlint13 · October 2016

Yes.

motifs are a frivolity not a necessity. They in no way give you an advantage over anyone else. They are cosmetic. It is no different than selling mounts. And yes I am a master crafter and know all motifs in the game (on ps4 so far). I still do not see any NEED for anyone to buy this, other than they want it....and that is exactly the type of thing they should be selling in Crown Store

treborrealb14_ESO · October 2016

Yes.

zadrotscrolls wrote: »

Its goldconvertor. NO!

Its bound on purchase...

ThePaleItalian · October 2016

Don`t know.

If there was a transmog system or something to change your armor easier than fully crafting it I would probably have an issue with crown store only. But this one was fairly priced and looks pretty cool.

MasterSpatula · October 2016

No.

There is no such thing as "just cosmetic." For some, the most important thing is the combat. For others, it's the story. And for others, it's building their character into what they want it to be, including appearance. When you dismiss appearance issues as "just cosmetic," you're telling them they don't matter. They do.

Remember, at release, ZOS promised there would never be a cash shop. That's part of why I jumped ship from SWTOR. I used to play SWG, and I quit over the Collectible Card Game. "Real World money for In-Game items only happens in bad games," I said. Then I gave SWTOR a try, where RW money for IG items is completely out of control. I stuck around for the story, but bailed when I heard a game was coming out with TES lore and no cash shop.

They broke their promise, and I left.

But I came back because I missed it, and I saw things hadn't gotten as bad as I'd feared. The Crown Store is definitely not the atrocity that is SWTOR's Cartel Market, but the slope has definitely gotten slippier and slippier since I've been back.

ThePaleItalian · October 2016

Don`t know.

zadrotscrolls wrote: »

Its goldconvertor. NO!

I am assuming you mean the grinestones? They only work is someone only has the motif and can craft it, and its a chance to get one, not a 100% drop. Its not a P2W scheme... Please not tin foil hat conversations in this thread.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · October 2016

No.

This is a awesome idea, here is why!

Step 1 buy motif
Step 2 charge in game gold for the items you make

or

Step 1 buy motif
Step 2 make items in that style with mimic stones also bought for real money
Step 3 deco those and sell style stone

or

Aka Spend real money -> convert to in game money
Aka P2W
Aka ANOTHER lie from Zos who said all motif will be obtainable in game
Aka they already lied saying the motifs in game will be obtainable in a painless manner and not be designed to enter the game in a expensive/slow to obtain way to drive crown store sales (Look at the prices of the ones that are easier to get in store vs the ones that had little to no or a late show in the store)

This is a huge step towards p2w and I was only just telling my friend a few days ago how happy I was with them not going p2w... that I was surprised that the worse was just expensive in game motifs which caused a huge pain to get in game to draw in sales irl... but this is unbelievable.

I am just waiting to have it confirmed.. Confirm you are making it only crown store obtainable and never in game so I can just quit..

ALSO to the people stupidly thinking this is ok....

What do you think they are doing? They are obviously preparing to make a future move towards all new motifs being mimic stone reliable... you think they will stop here? All the new sets or MOST of them will have a small supply of style stones on release and after a while they will all be gone or worst SOOOOO much in game due to the rare amounts of them and EVERYONE will HAVE to buy crowns to get the styles they want in the future..

So this is a no brainer... this is a p2w move and a step towards crafting being PAY to make... Which I might remind people they also said would never happy...

I love the elder scrolls but if this is confirmed I AM OUT.

EDIT: Oh also this is coming from someone who makes $1500 a week and could easily buy this BUT WONT.. and someone who in game has close to 10m gold and can obtain hundreds of these style stones easily and will NOT be effected by this if for some reason I chose to stay... this is not about me since I would be fine this is about the people who join the game late or those who cant prepare and shouldnt HAVE to prepare to be able to craft in the future...

ZOS has lied again and worse is moving to a obvious p2w

Evergnar · October 2016

No.

Dredlord wrote: »

Yes its cosmetic and not pay to win in any way.

More cosmetic stuff should be only in the crown store.

Guy buys motif. Guy sells his/her crafting services to make said motif for gold. Takes gold and buys gear.

I know it's not p2w but I wish players would give more thought as to how these things in the crown store effect the game and economy. Exclusive items bought from the crown store, with real $, that yield increased gold for the player are an issue imo. If it is obtainable in game (reasonably) then no problem.

Cosmetic items such as costumes, mounts, style parlor are different since there is no way to make gold from them.

Khenarthi · October 2016

Don`t know.

While the price was tempting, I really don't see myself crafting it, with so many nice in-game motifs, and so little incentive to use them. My crafter has already abstained from learning dro-m'Athra (ewwww walking neon signs) and regretted buying Akaviri from the PvP crowd.

In any case, it's merely cosmetic, so I'm ok with it being in the crown store. I just hope this is not just the start of many more crown exclusive motifs, which would be a boring way of getting new styles.

DarkMatter909 · October 2016

Don`t know.

My issue is with the style material being limited availability. It is really ridiculous you can only obtain them by deconstructing an item you had to use a mimic stone to get or pay gold for them which will most likely be way over priced.

Recremen · October 2016

No.

Huh, I'm surprised at the response to this. I love the noncraftable costumes and mounts that show up on the Crown Store, but as a crafter, I'm not much in favor of these crafting items showing up there. The only saving grace of Grim Harlequin is that it's basically free with the purchase of 54 mimic stones. Downside is that you of course can't get the crafting material in game, so like, if you ever want to create something in it or try it out you need to buy yet more mimic stones.

This is even more ridiculous when you consider that the current meta encourages wearing only dropped sets, and you can't use your motif knowledge to convert your existing gear. That flies in the face of all our other cosmetic systems, such as dyes, costumes, accessories, and the like, which are "one and done" purchases that you can switch freely between once you buckle down and buy them. Now, if that kind of functionality was implemented in the Crown Store (again, with the same "one and done" mentality) then I'd be much happier about it.

Ceridwynne · October 2016

Don`t know.

I don't mind using crowns to buy the things that I really want (I am a sucker for pets and mounts), but I haven't decided if I like the way this style looks yet........

nimander99 · October 2016

No.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

This is a awesome idea, here is why!

Step 1 buy motif
Step 2 charge in game gold for the items you make

or

Step 1 buy motif
Step 2 make items in that style with mimic stones also bought for real money
Step 3 deco those and sell style stone

or

Aka Spend real money -> convert to in game money
Aka P2W
Aka ANOTHER lie from Zos who said all motif will be obtainable in game
Aka they already lied saying the motifs in game will be obtainable in a painless manner and not be designed to enter the game in a expensive/slow to obtain way to drive crown store sales (Look at the prices of the ones that are easier to get in store vs the ones that had little to no or a late show in the store)

This is a huge step towards p2w and I was only just telling my friend a few days ago how happy I was with them not going p2w... that I was surprised that the worse was just expensive in game motifs which caused a huge pain to get in game to draw in sales irl... but this is unbelievable.

I am just waiting to have it confirmed.. Confirm you are making it only crown store obtainable and never in game so I can just quit..

ALSO to the people stupidly thinking this is ok....

What do you think they are doing? They are obviously preparing to make a future move towards all new motifs being mimic stone reliable... you think they will stop here? All the new sets or MOST of them will have a small supply of style stones on release and after a while they will all be gone or worst SOOOOO much in game due to the rare amounts of them and EVERYONE will HAVE to buy crowns to get the styles they want in the future..

So this is a no brainer... this is a p2w move and a step towards crafting being PAY to make... Which I might remind people they also said would never happy...

I love the elder scrolls but if this is confirmed I AM OUT.

EDIT: Oh also this is coming from someone who makes $1500 a week and could easily buy this BUT WONT.. and someone who in game has close to 10m gold and can obtain hundreds of these style stones easily and will NOT be effected by this if for some reason I chose to stay... this is not about me since I would be fine this is about the people who join the game late or those who cant prepare and shouldnt HAVE to prepare to be able to craft in the future...

ZOS has lied again and worse is moving to a obvious p2w

Hrmmmmm.... I didn't realize any of the motif related stuff was sellable (style stone)... Beside crafting the gear that is...

Troneon · October 2016

No.

Next it will be crown store only achievements.....

It's complete BS and ZOS should add a way to get them in game. Even if it's grindy...

Greedy as ****

Rosveen · October 2016

No.

Recremen wrote: »

The only saving grace of Grim Harlequin is that it's basically free with the purchase of 54 mimic stones.

That's some very interesting mental gymnastics.

dominic.iraceb14_ESO · October 2016

No.

I'm okay with either.. but for 5000 crowns, i feel like they think i'm a dummy.

GDOFWR420 · October 2016

Yes.

Zos employees still have to pay bills just like us.

Tryxus · October 2016

Yes.

I'm actually ok with it, espec after the price turned out to be only 2.2k instead of the usual 5k

Crafters could use a little smth anyways these days...

DannyLV702 · October 2016

Yes.

Wow this post is pathetic as ***

jeevin · October 2016

No.

These cash store shenanigans are getting worse. Pushing cash motifs and mimic stones is just lazy development. If Zos wants my cash they need to make more game and less crown store crap.

Taleof2Cities · October 2016

Don`t know.

My Imperial Stam Sorc approves ... especially the craftsmanship of the one-handed axe.

... but the jury's still out for me on whether it should be exclusive crown store or not ...

disintegr8 · October 2016

Yes.

It's not like you need it to play the game, so buy it if you want. I won't.

BruceLeeroy91 · October 2016

Don`t know.

I did buy it, I was very opposed prior to seeing the price and mimic stone bundle. However if the exclusive motifs are going to continue with the large mimic bundle I think they are worth it (if you like the style)

Artis · October 2016

Yes.

As long as they aren't required for achievements, it's fine. It's just cosmetics.

Oh, and something has to be done with the fact that it's practically gold selling. Maybe, items in those styles should be BoP? Or maybe there should be a way to get style mats in game?

waterfairy · October 2016

I'm more ok with it then gambling for a chance at special mounts.

Cously · October 2016

No.

I'm not okay with it being exclusive to Crown Store. I'd be happy if it was a very rare drop from the event in game. That said, I'm glad there is no achievement related to it. I'm also concerned for what will come next after we open this Pandora's box. I am guilty of buying it because am a completionist and had the Crowns to spare.

KramUzibra · October 2016

Yes.

I'm impatient and would like my shiny things sooner rather than later so I yeah.. I fully support adding more and more "flavor" items to the crown store. At any cost too, If I want it I'll pay for it.

Abeille · October 2016

No.

Vigarr wrote: »

I'm more ok with it then gambling for a chance at special mounts.

Yep, the Crown Crates are still much worse.

But this is still a way to convert cash to gold. But I'll be fair, the price is not too bad, especially considering all those Mimic Stones thrown with it (too bad we can't spend them to apply the look of an armor to another). I have about 8500 Crowns just lying around, and my six-months sub will renew next month, so could buy it. But I don't want to endorse this practice, so I'll pass. And it seems I'll pass on the Frostmage one too.

Nifty2g · October 2016

No.

In regards to crafting all crown store items should be in game and in crown store for convenience of time
I am fine with cosmetics being crown store only, mounts etc

Ja50nX · October 2016

No.

It is pathetic af. Its probably the most blatant 'grab for cash' zos have done so far. Even lamer than re-releasing the IC mount.

Im a master crafter who needs nothing to create any known style, please tell me how spending real $ benefits me @Tryxus ?

KramUzibra · October 2016

Yes.

MasterSpatula wrote: »

There is no such thing as "just cosmetic." For some, the most important thing is the combat. For others, it's the story. And for others, it's building their character into what they want it to be, including appearance. When you dismiss appearance issues as "just cosmetic," you're telling them they don't matter. They do.

Remember, at release, ZOS promised there would never be a cash shop. That's part of why I jumped ship from SWTOR. I used to play SWG, and I quit over the Collectible Card Game. "Real World money for In-Game items only happens in bad games," I said. Then I gave SWTOR a try, where RW money for IG items is completely out of control. I stuck around for the story, but bailed when I heard a game was coming out with TES lore and no cash shop.

They broke their promise, and I left.

But I came back because I missed it, and I saw things hadn't gotten as bad as I'd feared. The Crown Store is definitely not the atrocity that is SWTOR's Cartel Market, but the slope has definitely gotten slippier and slippier since I've been back.

Negative, motifs do not give a competitive advantage to the buyer soo zos didn't break any promises. Also real money for virtual items does not determine the quality of the game.