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✭✭@FENGRUSH So I decided to check out cyrodiil today and I was already confronted with the following:
What have you done...
Don't worry though, the hint suggests I should try zerging haha.
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PenguinInACan✭✭✭✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »@FENGRUSH So I decided to check out cyrodiil today and I was already confronted with the following:
What have you done...
Don't worry though, the hint suggests I should try zerging haha.
I think what that tip is actually saying is whoever killed you is a monster. ZOS seems to have confirmed they have created proc monsters and are giving us tips on how to effectively kill them. Have you tried queuing for the new Cyro Proc Monster Dungeon to get the optimal group to counter this?Marek™4 -
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✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »@FENGRUSH So I decided to check out cyrodiil today and I was already confronted with the following:
What have you done...
Don't worry though, the hint suggests I should try zerging haha.
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✭✭✭✭This update just makes me avoid PvP like the plague. I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this meta is actually intended design.16 -
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✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »This update just makes me avoid PvP like the plague. I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this meta is actually intended design.
I PvP occasionally and sometimes have fun. But I turned into a PvE-peasant myself, doing dungeons, pledges and quests.
These are indeed dark times.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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Yes, the fun times of the past seem to be behind us.Knootewoot wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »This update just makes me avoid PvP like the plague. I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this meta is actually intended design.
I PvP occasionally and sometimes have fun. But I turned into a PvE-peasant myself, doing dungeons, pledges and quests.
These are indeed dark times.
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✭✭✭✭Its very similar to this one:
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/buran-pvp-2-4-stamina-sorcerer-sb2h-build/
Just with an updated monster set.
Been using a variant of it for a while. Still, what wins though, is what you see in 90% of the flashpoints in EU TF - large organised guild groups. Imho, unless you spend a lot of time looking for/waiting for small-scale encounters (I don't have the patience) - you're zerg-surfing. I had to switch 2-hander for bow to make that work. But then, I am a scrub (still don't have a decent offensive monster set yet either).
Just some notes though.. It doesn't work so well at low-CP without putting some into stam recov (I ended up switching mundus and switching race from, Imp to Redguard). Partially due to a having less CP's invested in cost reduction and also just being newer to the game and not being able to fund a pot-addiction.
I'm also not convinced Blackrose is BiS for it either - but it is very easy to get in full impen.
Minalan owes me a beer.
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..however I refuse to meta-morphis-ise. AP never meant that much to me and I have no ego lol.
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✭Been running pretty much the same setup since patch dropped, it's absurd how much damage potential there is. Something needs to happen to theese damn procc sets already.:]8 -
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✭✭✭✭*wants to start streaming with my extremely non-meta Argonian magicka sorc*"Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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✭✭✭✭NedicWildling wrote: »This needs to be edited.
I get that a lot - whole page needs to be redone LOL. It was pretty easy though.
Nah, I've played with both builds, and I find the stam sorc a bit easier, since it doesn't take much skill to crit rush and execute with meta armor and hurricane. Being a magicka sorc doing pvp in a world of stam builds is a challenge, but a fun one at that."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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✭✭✭✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »NedicWildling wrote: »This needs to be edited.
I get that a lot - whole page needs to be redone LOL. It was pretty easy though.
Nah, I've played with both builds, and I find the stam sorc a bit easier, since it doesn't take much skill to crit rush and execute with meta armor and hurricane. Being a magicka sorc doing pvp in a world of stam builds is a challenge, but a fun one at that.
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✭✭✭✭The whole PVP game is thoroughly @Wrobel 'd now. Seriously, they need to fire this guy in the worst possible way.
They need to fix it so that proc sets all respect a global CD. If one procs, it resets the CD timer on all of them so you don't get a cascading 15k damage effect of misery on one light attack. Of course that would sort of ruin the point of wearing more than one set, but it's needed.
Damage proc sets need to stop going off on every dot and poison. I have no idea why this is happening, or who coded that but it's straight up short bus ***.
They also need to tone the damage down on these by quite a bit or increase the proc cooldown timers. People need to be able to build for sustain, defense, and damage but not everything at once without trying.
It's clear ZOS didn't think before they put this in.18 -
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✭themdogesbite wrote: »Been running pretty much the same setup since patch dropped, it's absurd how much damage potential there is. Something needs to happen to theese damn procc sets already.
Yeah separate PvP from PvE.
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✭The whole PVP game is thoroughly @Wrobel 'd now. Seriously, they need to fire this guy in the worst possible way.
They need to fix it so that proc sets all respect a global CD. If one procs, it resets the CD timer on all of them so you don't get a cascading 15k damage effect of misery on one light attack. Of course that would sort of ruin the point of wearing more than one set, but it's needed.
Damage proc sets need to stop going off on every dot and poison. I have no idea why this is happening, or who coded that but it's straight up short bus ***.
They also need to tone the damage down on these by quite a bit or increase the proc cooldown timers. People need to be able to build for sustain, defense, and damage but not everything at once without trying.
It's clear ZOS didn't think before they put this in.
Oh they will probably change it for PvP and @Wrobel it for PvE .2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NedicWildling wrote: »This needs to be edited.
I get that a lot - whole page needs to be redone LOL. It was pretty easy though.
"Fengrush is currently the godfather of stam sorcs"
Then place this picture:
There's your edit lolMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭NedicWildling wrote: »This needs to be edited.
I get that a lot - whole page needs to be redone LOL. It was pretty easy though.
"Fengrush is currently the godfather of stam sorcs"
Then place this picture:
There's your edit lol
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✭✭✭✭For us from the Kingdom of Yurp, we hail @Mojomonkeyman as our original StamSorc. I think he's a StamSorc for longer than @FENGRUSH, but I could be mistaken.1 -
Aldarenn✭✭✭Good job spreading the wildfire that is the Stam Proc build meta! Seriously though, I'd like to see streamers playing Mag now. PvP is getting a bit boring dealing with the same routine.
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✭✭✭✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »NedicWildling wrote: »This needs to be edited.
I get that a lot - whole page needs to be redone LOL. It was pretty easy though.
Nah, I've played with both builds, and I find the stam sorc a bit easier, since it doesn't take much skill to crit rush and execute with meta armor and hurricane. Being a magicka sorc doing pvp in a world of stam builds is a challenge, but a fun one at that.
Yea thats from over a year ago..
Duh, I read your previous comments. I know you mean to change that."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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✭✭✭✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »NERF MAG Shields !
NERF Healing !
NERF RD !
Aye, the 6 second duration in PVP can get a mag build a hard time, but it does encourage people to not be mega scrubs and stack 20-second shields. All shields should be given a time boost by 2-4 seconds.
Healing shouldn't be nerfed.
RD should have a drop in the health percentage needed to execute from 50% to 25% so it's on par with the other executes."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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So...do the same with Executioner/Reverse Slice as well?WuffyCerulei wrote: »RD should have a drop in the health percentage needed to execute from 50% to 25% so it's on par with the other executes.-
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Don't forget to make Uppercut interruptible like any other cast time ability
So...do the same with Executioner/Reverse Slice as well?WuffyCerulei wrote: »RD should have a drop in the health percentage needed to execute from 50% to 25% so it's on par with the other executes.
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✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »This update just makes me avoid PvP like the plague. I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this meta is actually intended design.
That's almost where I'm at. Slowly turning into a PvE scrub. I needs that AP though in case some gold jewelry pops up that I want.Daggerfall Covenant
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I use my AP stash to buy potions for my little MagPlar while having an experience that is rather devoid of vitriol, lag, crappy frame rates and getting (s)killed by Wrobel gear. CC still broken though.Sallington wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »This update just makes me avoid PvP like the plague. I still can't wrap my head around the fact that this meta is actually intended design.
That's almost where I'm at. Slowly turning into a PvE scrub. I needs that AP though in case some gold jewelry pops up that I want.
I guess this has been ZOS' plan all along!
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So...do the same with Executioner/Reverse Slice as well?WuffyCerulei wrote: »RD should have a drop in the health percentage needed to execute from 50% to 25% so it's on par with the other executes.
It should be said that the "50%" benchmark for Templars using RD requires them to calculate their own to determine their specific execute range.
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/thieves-guild-pts-2-3-execution-of-radiant-oppression/
If you read the posts from asayre youll see the following:
-pve
- thief stone with divines
-against boss with 13k spell resistance after major breach
-has .75%crit dmg modifier
Based on those, they determined with the rest of the stats to conclude that "The ideal time to execute Radiant Oppression is when the DPS of Radiant Oppression exceeds the DPS of the pre-execute phase."
This time, for this example is 40% health range at any Magicka lvl.
For pvp I'd imagine the following being counters to RD:
- more armor after penetration
- impen to reduce crit modifier
- healing to keep you out of execute phase.
- block to reduce dmg in halfMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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So...do the same with Executioner/Reverse Slice as well?WuffyCerulei wrote: »RD should have a drop in the health percentage needed to execute from 50% to 25% so it's on par with the other executes.
It should be said that the "50%" benchmark for Templars using RD requires them to calculate their own to determine their specific execute range.
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/thieves-guild-pts-2-3-execution-of-radiant-oppression/
If you read the posts from asayre youll see the following:
-pve
- thief stone with divines
-against boss with 13k spell resistance after major breach
-has .75%crit dmg modifier
Based on those, they determined with the rest of the stats to conclude that "The ideal time to execute Radiant Oppression is when the DPS of Radiant Oppression exceeds the DPS of the pre-execute phase."
This time, for this example is 40% health range at any Magicka lvl.
For pvp I'd imagine the following being counters to RD:
- more armor after penetration
- impen to reduce crit modifier
- healing to keep you out of execute phase.
- block to reduce dmg in half
Err, the most effective counters are:
-Rage at ZoS to nerf RD
-Rage moar to nerf BoL
-Wear totally busted stam proc sets
-Choose poison injection morph then complain to ZoS RD is not fair as you have no ranged interrupts.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.11
