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Should once-per-character alliance change be introduced?

Actually_Goku
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Basically, the question is in the title.

Should alliance change be implemented in this game?

I personally believe that it should be, after initially being against it.

From talking with other ESO players, I feel like a once-per-character alliance change keeps everyone happy, because:

1 - This way, you can't change factions willy-nilly, based on whichever faction is dominating whatever campaign you play, ergo keeping credit-card warriors from jumping factions constantly.

2 - this will also allow people who have for whatever reason chose to change alliance one opportunity to do that; it could be something as complicated as having a feud with guildmates from that alliance, to something as simple as that you don't like the colors :*

I'm personally voting yes, and here is why: at console launch, I didn't know that Cadwell's silver & gold existed, and I was under the impression you only got to experience the storyline of whichever alliance you chose. My first character was an AD character, but I've came to be a DC player at heart, due to social relationships struck up with blue players. My main, however is still a yellow. I would very much like to have him change to being a DC character.

I also realise that I could just re-roll, and that it is not hard to grind EXP if you know what you are doing - however, I work 50+ hours a week and have many sporting commitments as well. For me to get a new toon to max would take months. Skill points, guilds, undaunted, research, mount speed etc etc are all ridiculously time consuming and I know for a fact that this game does lose people over this.

What say you?

[Edit to remove insulting content]
Edited by Actually_Goku on May 7, 2018 10:49PM

Should once-per-character alliance change be introduced? 189 votes

Yes - can't be bothered explaining.
46% 87 votes
No - can't be bothered explaining.
28% 54 votes
Yes - and here's why.
12% 24 votes
No - and here's why.
12% 24 votes
  • Bigevilpeter
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    Yes i guess a one time change would allow people to actually make a real decision about their faction, most people at the beginning don't understand and can pick factions they are later not happy with, at the same time though this wouldn't allow people to just change to the winning faction evertime
    Edited by Bigevilpeter on October 11, 2016 1:32PM
  • DeclaredJester
    I think Alliance should be account wide and not character wide. The whole concept where people can log in their jumping spy that will let their buddies know where you are "hidden" is stupid.

    You should commit to an alliance and only that alliance.
  • lucian_banneb18_ESO
    I totally agree with you!

    Comin' form the same angle (RL time constraints), I'd love an Alliance change option.

    More than that, after completing all 3 storylines, I came to side more with EP (my main is AD), so there's that.

    I'd vote for an Alliance Chance option after you complete all 3 storylines.

    Seems logical that you can side with whatever faction, after you get to know them.

    It also goes well with the backbone of Elder Scrolls - you can go anywhere & do whatever you want.
  • Wing
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    as it makes nearly no difference out of PvP now, I honestly just want to change because I was in the alliance I was due to friends picking that alliance, now it does not matter and I like the colors / armor of another better :3
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  • Riga_Mortis
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    When I first started playing ESO, I choose the same faction as my friends because I was made aware I wouldnt be able to PvE with them if I was in a different faction. Obviously that has changed now and will change again, for the better, once 1T launches.

    It would be great if a couple of my charcters were allowed to change factions with 1T as I PvP on 5 different toons because the restrictions are being lifted that were there when ESO first launched on console.
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  • Aquanova
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    It should be allowed period.

    ZOS screwed up on how you chose your alliance big time. They should have let us choose after we played through all the zones and give the option to choose right away if one chose to, instead they made us choose an alliance based on what race we picked not even considering that the entire super continent of Tamriel was once united, governed by a single faction (The Empire) and thus there would be a mixture of races throughout.

    On a more practical level I think with all thelse changes they've made with "One Tamriel" and scaling, it only makes sense to implement this and correct a bad choice they made in its original design, races being limited to a particular faction and having bonuses based on race was utterly stupid. Eso is NOT like any of the previous Elderscrolls games. This game is competitive. Even in PVE.

    Opponents of this say people will join the winning faction. Not if they make you choose at the beginning of a campaign and lock you into it until it's done.

    If you want to stay on a particular faction then so be it. If you wish to change your faction then you shouldn't be forced to reroll another character just to do so.

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  • WuffyCerulei
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    I would reroll a couple toons to a different alliance if it was a one-time deal.
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  • RebornV3x
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    Yes this should already be a thing and with One Tam theres no excuse to not have an alliance change in this game.
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    I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.
  • nine9six
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    Easy to roll an Alt. No decision seems to have any weight behind it anymore.
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  • Bigevilpeter
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    nine9six wrote: »
    Easy to roll an Alt. No decision seems to have any weight behind it anymore.


    People who say that automatically have no life in my head, yes its easier but its not easy, leveling all skill lines and skyshards and books and horse training, if you think thats easy you ahould go outside more
  • Korah_Eaglecry
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    Aside from people demanding that ZOS make it unlimited once this was implemented. I dont think I see an issue with it really.
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  • DHale
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    Level a new toon.... lazy.
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  • Zardayne
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    I'd love a faction change as well. I recently had the desire to go back and play with my old guild and I loaded up one of my old 50s which I played in the first year and was horribly outfitted with unfinished skill lines. My current main has all of his skill lines he uses maxed, 3 or 4 trades maxed, and his horse is leveled up. It's hard to leave all of that just so I can pvp with my old guild. I re-outfitted my old character, respecced him, and rode around on my 5 speed horse..I ended up sitting there the rest of the night wondering why I even have to do this. I feel punished that my friends and coworkers left and I want to go back to my old guild and enjoy the game.

    Leveling a new toon isn't an option. I also work 40+ hrs a week and raise 3 grandkids. I don't have as much disposable time as I had back in the UO/AC days..I wish
    Edited by Zardayne on October 11, 2016 2:55PM
  • Zardayne
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    Can one of you forum warriors that know how to tag Gina get her attention? Maybe we can get an official answer/stance on this.
  • milkbox
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    I made characters in each of the factions so that I could do dungeons and Craglorn with friends and guildmates, but I've always been a PvP loyalist- I will only fight for one alliance, and have never fought for the other two.

    Now I have characters that are 2+ years old, with maxed undaunted, horses, recipes, motifs, crafting skills, etc. that can never level PvP-related skills because I choose to fight for only one faction.

    ZOS changed the rules in the middle of the game- first, dungeons became cross-alliance, now all PvE is cross alliance. The reasons that I made any characters in other factions no longer apply.

    I would like to switch all of my characters to my home faction so that I can use them in PvP.

  • PS4_ZeColmeia
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    I think making a limited item scroll for alliance change after 1T and then making it a crown store item (5k please) would be fair.
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  • PS4_ZeColmeia
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    Zardayne wrote: »
    Can one of you forum warriors that know how to tag Gina get her attention? Maybe we can get an official answer/stance on this.

    type "@" then start typing ZOS and you will see her pop up
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  • nine9six
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    nine9six wrote: »
    Easy to roll an Alt. No decision seems to have any weight behind it anymore.


    People who say that automatically have no life in my head, yes its easier but its not easy, leveling all skill lines and skyshards and books and horse training, if you think thats easy you ahould go outside more

    Anyone on this forum automatically has no life in my head. See what I did there?

    I do find humor in the 'go outside more'. If you only knew... :)
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  • idk
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    This will never happen and there is ZERO reason for it since it's so fast to level up a new character. Just not needed. I'm not concerned with those who cannot be bothered.
  • Abeille
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    I imagine that it is not uncommon for someone to want to change alliances after playing the quest line of another that isn't their original one.

    One of my friends couldn't handle the feels in the end of the Reaper's March quest line and wanted to change to the Dominion, but he didn't want to reroll because the veteran level grind was real back then. He isn't playing right now but he says he would come back if he could move his character to the Dominion. One Tamriel doesn't solve the issue because he wants to go to Cyrodiil for the Dominion (more precisely, for Shazah and Khali). Although, since it is so much easier now to reroll with account-wide champion points, no vet ranks and such, I should try nudging him on that direction.
    Edited by Abeille on October 11, 2016 3:19PM
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Kodrac
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    Wouldn't bother me any. I wouldn't mind changing one max level toon. But I know some PvP fanatics that would *** a brick over it even was just once. I'd like to see a quest for it personally - kind of like the old EQ2 betrayal quest.
  • nine9six
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    This will never happen and there is ZERO reason for it since it's so fast to level up a new character. Just not needed. I'm not concerned with those who cannot be bothered.

    Be careful. The "that's no fair" crowd will be here soon. They're busy right now being outside with their super-active lives but make no mistake, instead of playing, they'll be on here to complain about your views.

    Also, some of them have jobs and don't have a parental basement to live in.

    /wahhhhh :'(
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  • NBrookus
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    I would prefer a faction change token or quest, but with a long cool-down between changes, something on the order of months. And perhaps you queue up the change to happen at the end of your home campaign to avoid mid-campaign swapping.

    But a one time change would be better than nothing. And certainly for RP/PvE'ers, after experiencing the other factions, wanting to change is reasonable.

    As for new toons, grinding raw level is easy. Getting all your skill lines up and Undaunted, etc., not so much.
  • Sigtric
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    I think Alliance should be account wide and not character wide. The whole concept where people can log in their jumping spy that will let their buddies know where you are "hidden" is stupid.

    You should commit to an alliance and only that alliance.

    Understand where you are coming from but there's a whole lot more to the game than only Cyrodiil and this would not jive with what I am guessing the majority of the player base is. My heart and my home is in one alliance, but the majority of my friends play in a different one, so I have a character there as well. This is not so big a deal anymore now that any faction can PVE together but we still enjoy hitting cyro as a group too.

    Also, what's to stop me and countless others to use our second (third, forth) accounts for spying if that's what we chose to do? Spying and espionage is a part of war.

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  • BruceLeeroy91
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    One Tamriel really eliminates the difference between any alliance as far as PvE. That's the only reason I can see a race change at this point being just a little to late.

    Not to mention the problems it could cause if a player wanted to switch a specific race to another alliance but hadn't purchased the Any Race Any Alliance bundle.
  • BigBragg
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    What would you do about people who have picked up any race and alliance? Sure the could use the system to swap just like anyone else, but it's value has already diminished as it is only applicable to pvp content.
  • Zardayne
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    Zardayne wrote: »
    Can one of you forum warriors that know how to tag Gina get her attention? Maybe we can get an official answer/stance on this.

    type "@" then start typing ZOS and you will see her pop up

    Thank you. As a 2+ yr lurker and occasional poster I learn new stuff everyday. Appreciate it.
  • Sordidfairytale
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    I am for it because my crafter has too many motifs learned to simply "reroll".

    If ZOS made learned motifs account wide however, I'd be all for rerolling a new crafter in my preferred alliance.
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  • Actually_Goku
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    nine9six wrote: »
    This will never happen and there is ZERO reason for it since it's so fast to level up a new character. Just not needed. I'm not concerned with those who cannot be bothered.

    Be careful. The "that's no fair" crowd will be here soon. They're busy right now being outside with their super-active lives but make no mistake, instead of playing, they'll be on here to complain about your views.

    Also, some of them have jobs and don't have a parental basement to live in.

    /wahhhhh :'(
    This will never happen and there is ZERO reason for it since it's so fast to level up a new character. Just not needed. I'm not concerned with those who cannot be bothered.
    DHale wrote: »
    Level a new toon.... lazy.

    Right, so I knew there'd be a few of you when I posted this. It's "easy to roll a new toon".

    Skyshards, lorebooks, fighter's guild, skills, morphs, horses etc... To get all of those things up would take a MINIMUM 50 hours for a new toon. I find it hard to squeeze in 2/3 hours on this game a day on my days off, let alone work days (6AM to 6PM).

    Please tell me, in what way does my proposition detriment you? You do realise this would save literally hundreds of people countless hours, and potentially make ZOS more $ at the same time - all at no detriment to any of you. Unless you're just salty for no real, tangible reason, which seems kinda likely.

    Oh and @ZOS_GinaBruno please read thread :)
    Edited by Actually_Goku on October 11, 2016 4:29PM
  • Dojohoda
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    Another reason for alliance change ( that might have already been mentioned) ...

    So that a player may PvP on his/her "achievement" toon with friends.
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