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"DUEL ME BRAH!!"

-THCYoloswag420

Yet another reason to no longer log in. GG, Zenimax. GG.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

Why not push duelling out of towns, they are what, 10 percent of the total pve landmass, no one is going to object to doing it at some random wayshrine, why can't we have the best of both worlds

I agree with this.Why not leave duel ( I love dueling) to outside towns? I mean towns dont look like a good place to have 50 players all dueling.Towns are more like a place to relax and do your things after battling dungeons and trials.Also leaving dueling to outside towns have the potential to populate small towns and areas outside the main towns,creating alternate social hubs.

Well, if they did limit it to outside the towns, that wouldn't populate smaller towns, it would OVER populate the bigger ones. Players looking to duel would be forced to go where the most people are, and hang out just outside the gates in hopes of finding other people who want to duel. (or challenging everyone who is coming or going) That's going to push duels into the overworld which will then just be an annoyance to people actually questing.

EZgoin76 wrote: »

I'm curious as to why the duelist are saying towns are the only place to find duels? Can't you ask for duels via zone chat?

I know zone chat is a mess with lfg, wts and other spam. That's a whole other problem though. We need more zone channels.

It's not that you CANT find duels outside of towns, but it comes back to the point of "what are you doing based on your location?" If you're in the overworld you're probably questing, leveling, or completing achievements etc, when you're in a town, you're resting between quests, selling inventory, banking, dyeing armor... or in other words, nothing terribly important. Of the 2 scenarios which is more likely going to give you success when looking for a duel?

Zone chat is not only mostly spam as you said, it's also the whole zone...like all of stormhaven or glenumbra. it's way easier to approach someone, and choose the duel option and either duel, or move on to the next person. at worst it's a minor annoyance to the people getting challenged, compared to everyone in zone all talking over the spam trying to find places to meet to fight, effecting the entire zone with more spam. You can use zone to say "Anyone looking to duel meet me in wayrest" but outside that it'll just be more annoying spam.

Killing the game? REALLY? some people just love to complain i guess. It's brought many of the dead boring towns to life seeing real players duel each other.

AmbrosiaPeach wrote: »

This new update has killed the game for a lot of people or is killing the game slowly but surely
1. Duelers are camping in town around the markets and Wayshrines which is not only really noisy and confusing but is lagging the worlds out when you go to town to do anything like oh research craft go to the bank ect
2. Getting spammed with 100s of invites to duel when you enter town not fun at all makes me want to log out right there
3. No need to play the game now just go kill 5000 mud crabs and you will level so you can beat the main boss
4. Elder Scrolls has ALWAYS been a story where you started low level and had to work your way up to a main boss you guys are making it more about PVP less about environment and bringing the PVP into the town where the PVE people have to be around 100s of people just waiting to duel when they would of been in the other world and town is crowded enough with all the duel

You could make it to where they can't PVP so many feet around market/towns/crafting benches/ ect that way we don't have to have all these people sitting and dueling messing up our gaming experience when they could be out in the out skirts of town or the woods where all the fighting is going on anyway or go to the PVP world.
Limit the numbers of duel invites a day they can send so that maybe it will calm down a bit on the spam invites and maybe there won't be 100s of people camping in town and making it IMPOSSIBLE TO DO ANYTHING INSIDE OF ANY TOWN

Point by point:
1. Dueling (along with other aspects) was introduced to not only help maintain, but also to increase the playerbase through increasing the number of things players may do. Considering that players have been requesting this for more than 2 years, it's about time they got it in here.
2. You have an option to auto decline duels. It happens so quick that you don't even realize you were challenged unless you were actively paying attention to the top right of your screen. ESC>Settings>Social>Auto-Decline Duels On.
3. This point has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your title, but let's address it (and the first portion of point 4) anyway. In other ES games (such as the more recent Oblivion and Skyrim), you could almost go straight to the boss at the beginning of the game, once you got far enough in the storyline. Everything in the game scaled down to your level. As you leveled higher and higher, everything scaled up with you. Zenimax has kinda gone the reverse way with this and scaled you up to the content, but essentially it's all the same in concept.
4. This game was advertised heavily as a game that equally involved both PvP and PvE aspects. Over the years, PvE players have gotten so much more than PvP players as far as zones they could travel to, quests they could do, and content they could explore. Before One Tamriel, PvPers had two zones. That's it. Cyrodiil and the Imperial City. Now, PvPers and PvEers have the same number of places to enjoy. There is PvP content in PvE zones (now) just as there (has always been) PvE content in the PvP zones.

Your caps lock at the end is both entirely unnecessary and misleading as that none of this makes anything impossible, to include, but not limited to: anything.

i for one enjoy having duels around wayshrines. If i want to duel i know exactly where to go, if they prohibit dueling in the cities i fear that it may become much harder to find a random stranger to duel with, and the idea of spamming zone chat with "looking for dueling partner with X specifics" just doesn't sound fun or practical.

Really what is the problem guys with dueling I honestly don't get it. I don't get lag I don't get interrupted when interacting with npc's. If your computer can't handle it well maybe your in need of an upgrade or somthing. I don't know just leave the duels out of it.

On that note I just want to add that I think we all deserve dueling gloves and we could slap one another and challenge each other properly.

They should remove pvp. And pve. The game's gameplay should be changed so that players own a monkey ranch where players train their monkeys in the art of dance and put on shows. Players can compete against each other and against npc monkey trainers. There should be special bananas you can earn through performing dances, or from sending your monkeys on expeditions where they leave for an hour and come back with bananas. These bananas can be fed to the monkey to increase its appeal or can be spent to teach the monkey new dance moves. There should be costumes that boost or reduce certain stats. The end game reward that all players would be going for is the ultimate costume: the monkey ballerina costume.

EZgoin76 wrote: »

I've read several threads on this and I'm on console, so I don't have first hand knowledge of what's going on.

I don't see any reason why duelist should be kicked out of towns. That's taking things to far. At the same time though, I don't understand why duelist would be dueling in banks and basically on top of stations and traders.

I understand this is probably a small portion of the dueling population doing these things to basically grief other players. A few have even admitted as much in these threads.

Those of you that are just dueling to be dueling should be upset at some of the suggestions OP and people posting in other threads have put forth, but the ones that are doing it to grief people may ruin it for everyone.

Honestly I'm in and out of the bank multiple times per day and deconstructing at the various crafting stations and I have yet to see a duel inside the bank or on top of any crafting station. There isn't a problem. Its a bunch of curmudgeons grumbling about others having fun.

This is basically about Internet trolling.

I will preface my opinion by once again linking this article. Internet trolls enjoy nothing more than causing strife, annoyance, and setting groups against one another because it makes them feel powerful. Duelling has allowed these trolls to set PvP and PvE players at one another's necks. It's not right. I've belaboured the point that PvP players are lovely people and not the problem, they'll know why duelling in towns is disruptive. They won't be manipulative about it, either. They won't portray spamming fireballs at a crafting station as 'having fun.' Read that article, you really need to understand just how manipulative these people can be.

These are the people we're dealing when when it comes to duelling in towns. It isn't normal PvP players. It's trolls. It's basically sadistic people who get off on ruining another's day. What's happening is that these trolls are organising to get together around wayshrines, banks, crafting plazas, and roleplay events just to cause a disruption. They do this because it makes PvE players angry at PvP players, directing the hatred away from the trolls. This is how they entertain themselves. Again, read the article. This isn't just your everyday PvP players who're doing this, they know better. We've seen plenty of PvP players supporting the notion of moving duelling out of town, plenty of them. They're good people, they understand why it ruins the game and why it would help to kill the community. They also understand that it causes friction, and it makes them a scapegoat for things that aren't their fault.

No one but an Internet troll is going to go to an RP event, or a crafting station, or a bank to duel, just to disrupt people. And the thing is? Like I said, this could really mess with people. If someone avoids PvP for a reason, having a duel go on around them as they're trying to just craft in peace could give them an anxiety attack. These trolls don't care about that kind of thing. They don't care that they're going to kill off the RP community by haunting their events with duelling. They don't care about anything but the sense of power they feel when they duel somewhere they shouldn't.

There is no good, sensible, or logical reason to allow duelling in towns. It only enables Internet trolls who want to set PvP and PvE players against one another. This is the kind of trolling that so many other games have seen. Up until now, the PvP and PvE communities of this game have been largely agreeable. What happens when these trolls start making PvE players hate PvP players because the 'PvP players' are stopping them from crafting, banking, roleplaying, et cetera? I know that these are trolls just masquerading as PvP players, but most people won't. This is the silliest decision ZOS could have made. And it's going to require a pretty fast hotfix to restrict duelling.

In the long term, we could seek out better solutions (such as hiding duels, making it a crime, or whatever else). Though I think for the immediate future, to stop this before it becomes toxic and irreparable, we need to restrict duelling in towns. Let's not let some Internet trolls destroy the community.

AuldWolf wrote: »

This is basically about Internet trolling.

I will preface my opinion by once again linking this article. Internet trolls enjoy nothing more than causing strife, annoyance, and setting groups against one another because it makes them feel powerful. Duelling has allowed these trolls to set PvP and PvE players at one another's necks. It's not right. I've belaboured the point that PvP players are lovely people and not the problem, they'll know why duelling in towns is disruptive. They won't be manipulative about it, either. They won't portray spamming fireballs at a crafting station as 'having fun.' Read that article, you really need to understand just how manipulative these people can be.

These are the people we're dealing when when it comes to duelling in towns. It isn't normal PvP players. It's trolls. It's basically sadistic people who get off on ruining another's day. What's happening is that these trolls are organising to get together around wayshrines, banks, crafting plazas, and roleplay events just to cause a disruption. They do this because it makes PvE players angry at PvP players, directing the hatred away from the trolls. This is how they entertain themselves. Again, read the article. This isn't just your everyday PvP players who're doing this, they know better. We've seen plenty of PvP players supporting the notion of moving duelling out of town, plenty of them. They're good people, they understand why it ruins the game and why it would help to kill the community. They also understand that it causes friction, and it makes them a scapegoat for things that aren't their fault.

No one but an Internet troll is going to go to an RP event, or a crafting station, or a bank to duel, just to disrupt people. And the thing is? Like I said, this could really mess with people. If someone avoids PvP for a reason, having a duel go on around them as they're trying to just craft in peace could give them an anxiety attack. These trolls don't care about that kind of thing. They don't care that they're going to kill off the RP community by haunting their events with duelling. They don't care about anything but the sense of power they feel when they duel somewhere they shouldn't.

There is no good, sensible, or logical reason to allow duelling in towns. It only enables Internet trolls who want to set PvP and PvE players against one another. This is the kind of trolling that so many other games have seen. Up until now, the PvP and PvE communities of this game have been largely agreeable. What happens when these trolls start making PvE players hate PvP players because the 'PvP players' are stopping them from crafting, banking, roleplaying, et cetera? I know that these are trolls just masquerading as PvP players, but most people won't. This is the silliest decision ZOS could have made. And it's going to require a pretty fast hotfix to restrict duelling.

In the long term, we could seek out better solutions (such as hiding duels, making it a crime, or whatever else). Though I think for the immediate future, to stop this before it becomes toxic and irreparable, we need to restrict duelling in towns. Let's not let some Internet trolls destroy the community.

PvP and PvE players were largely agreeable before dueling? What forums have you been reading?

I really think you are over analyzing this. Are some of these people tolls? Sure, probably. Most people dueling in towns are doing it because that is where people are. It really isn't as sinister as you make it out to be.

I agree with the OP on this one. My FPS was already dropping from 100 to mid 60's in Rawl but now it's down to 40's and lower depending on the number of duels being done. They need a specific place for these outside of main towns.