Please Limit PVP It is killing the towns and the game

Tandor · October 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ZOS! ZOS! You introduced something new and everyones really enjoying it! I cant stand for this, please remove asap!

There's a massive difference between asking for it to be removed (which nobody is) and asking for it to be moved (which is a perfectly reasonable request in towns and around popular wayshrines, as is asking for auto-decline to be unaccompanied by messages telling you that you auto-declined an invitation).

Give them an inch, they'll take a mile. This game is not all about you or anyone else crying about this. I can get behind the notification. But I could careless that you have your feelings hurt about people enjoying this game in your view.

Nothing to do with people's feelings being hurt, rather their game performance. These places were lagging enough for a lot of players already, it was totally unnecessary for the problem to be aggravated by the addition of dueling. There are quite a few duelists who recognise the problem and state that they go outside the towns to duel, they don't see the need to duel in the bank or on a crafting table.

AmbrosiaPeach · October 2016

Basically when I go to town I am getting major lag because of all the fights going on, I get that some are enjoying the duels and I love that they are enjoying the game However it is making it almost impossible to go to town to craft, research, go the the fence/bank because of all the people fighting there it is causing lag. Leave the dueling for people to enjoy if they want but please move it to where they can't camp in town/around markets/ around crafting spots that way it doesn't lag up games and it doesn't make it a horrible experience for people to go to town to just do some basic stuff for your character

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2016

Tandor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ZOS! ZOS! You introduced something new and everyones really enjoying it! I cant stand for this, please remove asap!

There's a massive difference between asking for it to be removed (which nobody is) and asking for it to be moved (which is a perfectly reasonable request in towns and around popular wayshrines, as is asking for auto-decline to be unaccompanied by messages telling you that you auto-declined an invitation).

Give them an inch, they'll take a mile. This game is not all about you or anyone else crying about this. I can get behind the notification. But I could careless that you have your feelings hurt about people enjoying this game in your view.

Nothing to do with people's feelings being hurt, rather their game performance. These places were lagging enough for a lot of players already, it was totally unnecessary for the problem to be aggravated by the addition of dueling. There are quite a few duelists who recognise the problem and state that they go outside the towns to duel, they don't see the need to duel in the bank or on a crafting table.

Lag on an Online Game? The horror!

AzraelKrieg · October 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Afafrenferr wrote: »

Should we have dueling in the game? ABSOLUTELY!! Should we have dueling in towns? Probably not. I honestly haven't even logged in since the patch, but there are people out there that aren't on optimal machines. Consideration for your fellow players is a good thing. And most towns have wayshrines near the city gates, so it's not such a big deal to walk a few more feet to duel. In no way is this a pve'r vs pvp'r argument, it's just kinda logical to me to have duels outside of towns. The only good argument for having duels in town (and inside the banks even) is RP. I don't RP, but I'll put money in there being a few people that wouldn't mind engaging in tavern brawls every now and then. Can't please everyone, and I don't want duels in town at all, so it just wasn't my turn this time.

That is it. The shirt is coming off my Nord and I'm finding the nearest tavern and will /yell until someone accepts a good old fashioned no skills, no potions fistfight.

1v1 ME YOU SON OF A HORKER!

Osteos wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Afafrenferr wrote: »

Should we have dueling in the game? ABSOLUTELY!! Should we have dueling in towns? Probably not. I honestly haven't even logged in since the patch, but there are people out there that aren't on optimal machines. Consideration for your fellow players is a good thing. And most towns have wayshrines near the city gates, so it's not such a big deal to walk a few more feet to duel. In no way is this a pve'r vs pvp'r argument, it's just kinda logical to me to have duels outside of towns. The only good argument for having duels in town (and inside the banks even) is RP. I don't RP, but I'll put money in there being a few people that wouldn't mind engaging in tavern brawls every now and then. Can't please everyone, and I don't want duels in town at all, so it just wasn't my turn this time.

That is it. The shirt is coming off my Nord and I'm finding the nearest tavern and will /yell until someone accepts a good old fashioned no skills, no potions fistfight.

1v1 ME YOU SON OF A HORKER!

Bring it Milk Drinker!

Why cant we all get along?

Nords fight. It's just how they are. Nords fighting is how they get along

Lylith · October 2016

AGrz5585 wrote: »

I hung out in moutnhold last night.... didn't get spammed for duel requests, did not lag any more than usual in a main town

Do not see a problem here.

Also if dueling is such a nuisance to you then just turn on auto decline[/quote]

first thing i did after signing on.

every character.

SteveCampsOut · October 2016

Integral1900 wrote: »

Why not push duelling out of towns, they are what, 10 percent of the total pve landmass, no one is going to object to doing it at some random wayshrine, why can't we have the best of both worlds

Because Bad Apples want to ruin it for everyone!

dem0n1k · October 2016

I think most players wanting to duel are going to want to do it near a wayshrine... because we have had 2+ years of having to ride our horses from one side of Cyrodiil to the other just to get some duelling. I don't want to ride to some remote location to have a few duels... near a wayshrine is much better.

Last night I went to Mournhold to see how bad the issue was... & it was actually less people than I normally see congregated around the wayshrine & guild traders.. a lot more were out near the undaunted enclave, duelling away. There was no lag for me. I wandered around, sat in my chair, danced, played the lute... no one challenged me

I find this "100s of duel invites' a bit hard to believe... was it perhaps more like 5 or 6 (+/- exaggeration)?

Omgwtfbbq321 · October 2016

I'm not sure if I care about the towns being crazy, but I cannot wait for this update on console

Palidon · October 2016

The concept of Dueling is a great enhancement to the game. However, there is a place for everything and it should not be in the cities where massive duels are going on everywhere. What ZOS should of done is created Arena's in every city or zone where players had to go to duel.

Panzyfaust · October 2016

I'll be honest in that I find it a bit aggravating that people are dueling almost literally everywhere. As someone who dabbles a bit with RP it can muss the ambience a lot. It's kind of an immersion breaker seeing people getting teabagged in the middle of ordinarily-cozy Riften.

I'm just banking on it becoming less prevalent as time goes on and the novelty wears off.

e1team · October 2016

While I don't think dueling in cities kills the game, it definitely kills frame rates for some of us.
I think immersion wise it would definitely be nice if guards did not allow any kind of debauchery and troublemaking in town centers.
I like dueling and what it ultimately does, but it should be somewhat limited.
Someone should make a poll thread to see where we are on the matter.

merovignub17_ESO · October 2016

I wouldn't say kills the game, but I am wondering when the Klingon Festival Of Shouting And Hitting Things is going to end.

Basically most towns' "ambience" has been replaced with constant dueling. And Disneyland-level crowds.

It's not like carpet bombing or anything, but more like loud neighbors.

Bobby_V_Rockit · October 2016

Meh, it'll keep people busy and away from harvest nodes so kudos I say

Bryanonymous · October 2016

I like it and I hope it stays the same.

ZOS_JohanaB · October 2016

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AmbrosiaPeach · October 2016

I think they should keep the duels because it is something people enjoy but limit it to where it is not in the middle of towns and so that people don't spam invite everyone to duel. I realize a lot of people like pvp and are loving the duels, but for me when I go to town and there are all those people around it is taking forever for me to be able to even see the people and them not be big black shadow men and women because I am lagging so bad, plus it makes no sense for the guards to allow that it is the middle of town there are guards every where one would think they would stop it like the police would or back in the day the sheriff would, just saying.
I know a lot of people are loving this and I don't want to take anyone's joy but them camping at way shrines is taking the joy out of the game for me and people like me whom are lagging so bad when they go to town so surely there is a way they could make it to where the duelers can duel but take it out of towns and areas that are going to be crowded like banks and crafting tables because the way it is it is making it hard for people without high end computers to be in town and we all need to be in town at some point to craft/research/bank/fence

James-Wayne · October 2016

I think duelling in cities around shops should attract the attention of the guards. Perhaps a gold fee for disturbing the peace.

Arthmoor · October 2016

Trying to get anything at all done in Mournhold last night was a nightmare because of all the duels. So. Much. Lag. I normally don't get lag on my rig, but it was bad, just so bad. From the wayshrine all the way to the Undaunted Enclave. Wall to wall duels, along with the bozos who keep piling up corpses everywhere for no apparent reason.

The guards should be jumping on this anywhere within city limits.

GlassHalfFull · October 2016

Having duels near a town has some benefits, however having them inside the town is only annoyances. I have seen wayshrine capping of duels, making the game harder to do normal functions in. There should be limitation on duels inside towns proper, and at wayshrines.

CJohnson81 · October 2016

catalyst10e wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Osteos wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

It wouldn't hurt if duelling was only allowed outside of towns and cities. It makes sense since there are guards, I bet they wouldn't like it.

How about, you can initiate a duel but it's a crime and if a guard catches you, you both get a telling off or a bounty?

No sir. As the anti-pvp justice system people love to chant "No pvp repercussion for my pve activiites" this door swings both ways so No pve repercussions for my pvp activities

Besides most of this is blown way out of proportion. I hardly got challenged to duels and when i declined people just moved on. I didnt see anyone dueling in the bank or the crafting station in Wayrest. Let people play with their new shiny toy.

I think it adds a lot of life to the towns.

No, PvP should be limited to specific areas, certainly not in towns. There simply is no way to justify it. Just enough immature players in the game that bug others. Having a duel right on a crafting table in front of other people or inside a bank. If THAT is your PvP activity it is ignorant and intentionally bothering other people. Dueling in those locations OFFERS YOU NOTHING but harassing others and that is complete BS.

Well to be fair, you need to FIND someone to challenge them, and where do you find people? In a town. The towns are a sort of HUB where you go when you're not doing anything terribly important. Grabbing a daily, crafting armor, swapping gear in the bank, etc, etc. Just basic things. You don't exactly find people in a delve and challenge them, they're busy DOING the delve or in a quest. Logically the town is the only place I could really SEE duels happening, unless it's with a person you know who previously agreed to a specific place.

Keep in mind tho, when Dark Brotherhood dropped, Kvatch was a ghost town of dead NPC bodies piled up everywhere. As mentioned before, the shine will wear off, duels most likely wont be so frequent within the towns and we will continue on as usual.

AMEN! Of course duels will happen where the world is more populated.

This is where a public message board could come in handy. Announce tournaments with times and locations, offer crafting services, allow guild recruitment. They could be posted in fighters guild halls.

I don't understand the issues with duels around tables though. Do they actually prevent you from using tables or are people annoyed because of all the lights going off in the background? That's some "keep of my lawn, you pesky kids" stuff right there.

maboleth · October 2016

AmbrosiaPeach wrote: »

4. Elder Scrolls has ALWAYS been a story where you started low level and had to work your way up to a main boss you guys are making it more about PVP less about environment and bringing the PVP into the town where the PVE people have to be around 100s of people just waiting to duel when they would of been in the other world and town is crowded enough with all the duel

Yes, Elder Scrolls have always been story driven - without any monster levels. Wherever you go, monsters are scaled to your level. So finally, ESO is feeling like ES! If someone is here for Cyrodiil, let them be, nobody is forcing anyone to go here and there.
If you find interesting to kill 5000 mudcrabs to level, go ahead, you have freedom to do so. Though you will need thousands and thousands of mudcrabs (or other weaker enemies), because as you level, the requirement for EXP is much higher. So what you claim isn't even true and nobody will do that.

Basically you're just overstating and overreacting - if you find duels dull, don't bother. Limiting the dueling and making it taboo would be a serious no-no. Why some people have the need to instantly criticize and keep the game hermetically sealed? Why not trying to find the logic, trying to see it from a different angle? My personal opinion is that dueling adds lots of life in the towns, even rpg wise. It makes the towns more organic. Sure there's lots of dueling right now - but it's a new thing, people like to try new things.
ZOS could, however, for the sake of all duel-naysayers, build an option in the settings that would exclude the player from the dueling invitations. But that's all.

bowmanz607 · October 2016

Excuse me, can we please get pve out of the spots I want to duel. Thanks in advance.

NBrookus · October 2016

maboleth wrote: »

ZOS could, however, for the sake of all duel-naysayers, build an option in the settings that would exclude the player from the dueling invitations. But that's all.

They already did. It's in settings.

AshTal · October 2016

I agree stop duelling in cities

1) Its annoying
2) Guards would stop two people throwing fire balls around
3) If you decline you get insulting tells

bowmanz607 · October 2016

AshTal wrote: »

I agree stop duelling in cities

1) Its annoying
2) Guards would stop two people throwing fire balls around
3) If you decline you get insulting tells

1)it is the fastest and easiest way to meet up and find people to duel. Nobody is going to go look around tamiriel for people to duel. they are going to go to a hub to find people just like you go to these hubs to do other things.

2)why would guards stop 2 people who agreed to fight. dueling was common back in the day, why can it not be utilized like that in game? I see no posted rules against fighting others who agree in tamriel. Additinally, no damage is being done to townsfolk or property, so what good reason would they have to stop it?

3)put those people on ignore then

bowmanz607 · October 2016

Oh and let's not forget about how nice it is to be able to duel while your waiting for a pledge group. Nice way to pass the time.

Dede_Bug · October 2016

Personally I think that a nice immersive way to keep most people on both sides of the debate happy would have been to add the dueling option to "Ruin Style" locations near a Wayshrine in each zone. This would allow those looking to duel a prime location to find opponents as well as address other players irritation with dueling in towns. As for dueling being "common place back in the day" it was still considered a crime to engage in a duel and typically took place in a remote location.

Also, I like the idea of "Meet me at the old ruins Milk Drinker!"

bowmanz607 · October 2016

Dede_Bug wrote: »

Personally I think that a nice immersive way to keep most people on both sides of the debate happy would have been to add the dueling option to "Ruin Style" locations near a Wayshrine in each zone. This would allow those looking to duel a prime location to find opponents as well as address other players irritation with dueling in towns. As for dueling being "common place back in the day" it was still considered a crime to engage in a duel and typically took place in a remote location.

Also, I like the idea of "Meet me at the old ruins Milk Drinker!"

but then you have the issue of limiting where dueling occurs. The other aspect of dueling is jutst walking around going about your business in the world and you and another person cross paths and you decide to duel. Not to mention by limiting dueling to a location, you exclude many awesome and unique areas to duel. What about guilds focused on dueling? Now these set locations will have competition for use between guilds or guilds and the general pop?

I think it is something the community should regulate. I think it a matter of common courtesy to not have a pin drop on the boxes for pledges. to step off to the side. Alas, not everyone will do this. It is not something that time and resources should be spent on.

catalyst10e · October 2016

Dede_Bug wrote: »

Personally I think that a nice immersive way to keep most people on both sides of the debate happy would have been to add the dueling option to "Ruin Style" locations near a Wayshrine in each zone. This would allow those looking to duel a prime location to find opponents as well as address other players irritation with dueling in towns. As for dueling being "common place back in the day" it was still considered a crime to engage in a duel and typically took place in a remote location.

Also, I like the idea of "Meet me at the old ruins Milk Drinker!"

I don't think that's going to work for both sides, I think that still just makes the people who dont want it in town happy. One of the things that's great about the dueling is it can be done anywhere, which means a wide variety of locations which can mean either small space, a few LOS obstacles or nothing at all. Not only would this limit the duel to a specific location which limits the terrain, can you imagine even 3 duels all taking place on top of each other at the exact same location? who's going to duel there?

As for the whole immersion argument.... Look I love the TES games as much as anyone and I know how important immersion is but this is also an MMO, if you're this up-in-arms over a duel being taken place in town, then you should also be just as angry the guards do nothing to stop; Skeletons roaming the streets, Xivkyn wondering around the market and banks, horses made of pure ice being summoned, obvious and known vampires not being attacked on sight (or even just OUT in the daylight) numerous adventurers wearing the Emperor's personal armor... I could go on and on.... Point being, in an MMO you give up certain aspects of immersion, and as stated numerous times; it'll die down in a bit just give it time.

KaleidoscopeEyz · October 2016

PvP'ers ruin everything.