@ZOS, what can we (players) do to improve Cyrodiil performance?

GrumpyDuckling · October 2016

I appreciate everything you do on your end to reduce lag for players. Unfortunately the CP campaigns are still experiencing a lot of rubber banding and consistent lag. Is there anything we (players) can do that would make Cyrodiil perform better?

Are there certain skills that create more lag that we can avoid using? Are there armor sets or buffs that make lag worse? I'm grasping at straws here, but it's getting very frustrating to even attempt enjoying CP campaigns in their current state. Thanks.

Satiar · October 2016

If they had the slightest idea, they'd have fixed it years ago.

loki547 · October 2016

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I appreciate everything you do on your end to reduce lag for players. Unfortunately the CP campaigns are still experiencing a lot of rubber banding and consistent lag. Is there anything we (players) can do that would make Cyrodiil perform better?

Are there certain skills that create more lag that we can avoid using? Are there armor sets or buffs that make lag worse? I'm grasping at straws here, but it's getting very frustrating to even attempt enjoying CP campaigns in their current state. Thanks.

Check your router settings

GrumpyDuckling · October 2016

loki547 wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I appreciate everything you do on your end to reduce lag for players. Unfortunately the CP campaigns are still experiencing a lot of rubber banding and consistent lag. Is there anything we (players) can do that would make Cyrodiil perform better?

Are there certain skills that create more lag that we can avoid using? Are there armor sets or buffs that make lag worse? I'm grasping at straws here, but it's getting very frustrating to even attempt enjoying CP campaigns in their current state. Thanks.

Check your router settings

They're good. ESO is the only game that lags for me, fortunately yet unfortunately. Even Destiny has been lag free (Xbox One).

LegendaryChef · October 2016

The pvp community makes up such a small percentage of the actual player base which basically means that in zos' eyes it would be more worth their time to design a new costume for role players than to invest in new servers or upgrade them.

I think the players are partially to blame for the lag but at the same time how can you give them the full blame when all they are doing is using the skills and mechanics provided for them?

Sugaroverdose · October 2016

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I appreciate everything you do on your end to reduce lag for players. Unfortunately the CP campaigns are still experiencing a lot of rubber banding and consistent lag. Is there anything we (players) can do that would make Cyrodiil perform better?

Are there certain skills that create more lag that we can avoid using? Are there armor sets or buffs that make lag worse? I'm grasping at straws here, but it's getting very frustrating to even attempt enjoying CP campaigns in their current state. Thanks.

Your questions was answered an a year ago:@ZOS_BrianWheeler someone from ZoS(can't actually find those thread) asked players to "spread" over cyrodiil, so main issue is zerging(surprise!) which ZoS don't want to fix via AoE caps removal cause "it may touch PvE"(somehow), but tries to do this making AoE skills to make more direct effect, like latest ruining of Purge, Rapid Maneuver by locking them on N of group mates in effective radius instead of "all allies in effective radius"(actually, from my PoV getting data about groupmates and calculation who should get buff require more calculation and database requests than just querying all allies in zone and applying buff to them)

I may even get 2 weeks vacation to troubleshoot ESO server performance issues

FIX: @ZOS_BrianWheeler said that he never asked players to spread

Remorseless · October 2016

Can we get a legit reason why aoe caps are still in place?

GrumpyDuckling · October 2016

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I appreciate everything you do on your end to reduce lag for players. Unfortunately the CP campaigns are still experiencing a lot of rubber banding and consistent lag. Is there anything we (players) can do that would make Cyrodiil perform better?

Are there certain skills that create more lag that we can avoid using? Are there armor sets or buffs that make lag worse? I'm grasping at straws here, but it's getting very frustrating to even attempt enjoying CP campaigns in their current state. Thanks.

Your questions was answered an a year ago: @ZOS_BrianWheeler asked players to "spread" over cyrodiil, so main issue is zerging(surprise!) which ZoS don't want to fix via AoE caps removal cause "it may touch PvE"(somehow), but tries to do this making AoE skills to make more direct effect, like latest ruining of Purge, Rapid Maneuver by locking them on N of group mates in effective radius instead of "all allies in effective radius"(actually, from my PoV getting data about groupmates and calculation who should get buff require more calculation and database requests than just querying all allies in zone and applying buff to them)

I may even get 2 weeks vacation to troubleshoot ESO server performance issues

That's unfortunate. Spreading out is difficult when your alliance only owns two keeps by its initial spawn area.

Volrion · October 2016

Remorseless wrote: »

Can we get a legit reason why aoe caps are still in place?

DannyLV702 · October 2016

Remorseless wrote: »

Can we get a legit reason why aoe caps are still in place?

The supposed reason was because they don't want us stuck on using pure aoes all the time lol

Xinthisis · October 2016

I distinctly remember a developer about a year or so ago saying "Just spread out. Our servers can't handle it"

RadioheadSh0t · October 2016

Remorseless wrote: »

Can we get a legit reason why aoe caps are still in place?

Yshaar · October 2016

Afaik there are no caps for siege

PainfulFAFA · October 2016

Remorseless wrote: »

Can we get a legit reason why aoe caps are still in place?

according to some devs its for PvE reasons lul

Drummerx04 · October 2016

The issue with "just spread out" is that it's not a feasible solution. There are far too many players in motion to just aim to spread out. On top of that, it's not practical or at least not enjoyable to just take your group and look for what is likely the least defended keeps for the sake of avoiding large fights.

Or what about when defending or taking a scroll? If EP rolls up to the scroll temple with 40 people, are we supposed to just stand aside because we don't want server lag, or is EP supposed to take a team of 6 to get past 30 defenders? How do you spread out when the game mechanics are funneling all players to distinct locations? The game they have built leads to "zerging" or ideally outmaneuvering your foe by using MULTIPLE PEOPLE in a fairly close proximity.

If I were a developer for this game I would not be satisfied by the performance of my product. And don't tell me they don't have the money to either upgrade the servers to handle the required load or to improve the efficiency of the server code base. How many hundreds or even thousands of players subscribed when they introduced the crafting bag? How many buy the DLC and every damn reskinned mount they cook up? I even know people who bought vampire and werewolf from crown store!

This problem is on ZOS to fix.

Telling PvPers to just spread out is as stupid as telling pve trials raid healers that using healing springs will cause lag and they need to heal without it.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

Add more gear that procs high damage abilities in an attempt to reduce the lag in big fights.

Sugaroverdose · October 2016

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I appreciate everything you do on your end to reduce lag for players. Unfortunately the CP campaigns are still experiencing a lot of rubber banding and consistent lag. Is there anything we (players) can do that would make Cyrodiil perform better?

Are there certain skills that create more lag that we can avoid using? Are there armor sets or buffs that make lag worse? I'm grasping at straws here, but it's getting very frustrating to even attempt enjoying CP campaigns in their current state. Thanks.

Your questions was answered an a year ago: @ZOS_BrianWheeler asked players to "spread" over cyrodiil, so main issue is zerging(surprise!) which ZoS don't want to fix via AoE caps removal cause "it may touch PvE"(somehow), but tries to do this making AoE skills to make more direct effect, like latest ruining of Purge, Rapid Maneuver by locking them on N of group mates in effective radius instead of "all allies in effective radius"(actually, from my PoV getting data about groupmates and calculation who should get buff require more calculation and database requests than just querying all allies in zone and applying buff to them)

I may even get 2 weeks vacation to troubleshoot ESO server performance issues

That's unfortunate. Spreading out is difficult when your alliance only owns two keeps by its initial spawn area.

Actually, to get keep in 8 minutes you need organised 4 people group, in 5 minutes with 8 or more(3 trebs per person). You could get keep almost instantly if you wish so, and there's no reason to attack keeps which definitely under zerg protection.

Anyway, it's not my suggestion, it's ZoS idea to 'ask for spread' instead of making game mechanics simple and more direct: remove AoE cap - 6 person group can destroy 40 people with AoE, zergs spreads to not die instantly, problem solved.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I appreciate everything you do on your end to reduce lag for players. Unfortunately the CP campaigns are still experiencing a lot of rubber banding and consistent lag. Is there anything we (players) can do that would make Cyrodiil perform better?

Are there certain skills that create more lag that we can avoid using? Are there armor sets or buffs that make lag worse? I'm grasping at straws here, but it's getting very frustrating to even attempt enjoying CP campaigns in their current state. Thanks.

Your questions was answered an a year ago: @ZOS_BrianWheeler asked players to "spread" over cyrodiil, so main issue is zerging(surprise!) which ZoS don't want to fix via AoE caps removal cause "it may touch PvE"(somehow), but tries to do this making AoE skills to make more direct effect, like latest ruining of Purge, Rapid Maneuver by locking them on N of group mates in effective radius instead of "all allies in effective radius"(actually, from my PoV getting data about groupmates and calculation who should get buff require more calculation and database requests than just querying all allies in zone and applying buff to them)

I may even get 2 weeks vacation to troubleshoot ESO server performance issues

That's unfortunate. Spreading out is difficult when your alliance only owns two keeps by its initial spawn area.

Actually, to get keep in 8 minutes you need organised 4 people group, in 5 minutes with 8 or more(3 trebs per person). You could get keep almost instantly if you wish so, and there's no reason to attack keeps which definitely under zerg protection.

Anyway, it's not my suggestion, it's ZoS idea to 'ask for spread' instead of making game mechanics simple and more direct: remove AoE cap - 6 person group can destroy 40 people with AoE, zergs spreads to not die instantly, problem solved.

That requires players to think and looking at the torrent of proc gear Wrobel released into the wild, ZOS just doesn't really want to burden the players too much with all these things that require common sense.

God_flakes · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Add more gear that procs high damage abilities in an attempt to reduce the lag in big fights.

I see what you did there.

HoloYoitsu · October 2016

The best thing players can do to reduce lag in PvP is to spend the next 3 months grinding PvE sets that are better than anything they could possibly craft and all BOP. Either that, or grind for 2 weeks then quit until the next DLC like Rich says they want to cater to.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

The best thing players can do to reduce lag in PvP is to spend the next 3 months grinding PvE sets that are better than anything they could possibly craft and all BOP. Either that, or grind for 2 weeks then quit until the next DLC like Rich says they want to cater to.

It has truly turned into Elder Procs Online. Who would have known that Wrobel would look at Skoria and think "I need 10 other sets like this, only with much higher damage!"?

HoloYoitsu · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

The best thing players can do to reduce lag in PvP is to spend the next 3 months grinding PvE sets that are better than anything they could possibly craft and all BOP. Either that, or grind for 2 weeks then quit until the next DLC like Rich says they want to cater to.

It has truly turned into Elder Procs Online. Who would have known that Wrobel would look at Skoria and think "I need 10 other sets like this, only with much higher damage!"?

Shush, I have plans for my heavy armor Grothdarr sorc. How else am I supposed to keep the stam proctards from face-hugging me?

CJohnson81 · October 2016

Just thinking out loud here. No one's mentioned the pure size of the zone versus other zones. People hate loading screens, but we get them in Cyrodiil. Maybe the lag has something to do with keeping multiple virtual zones in sync so they behave like one massive zone.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

The best thing players can do to reduce lag in PvP is to spend the next 3 months grinding PvE sets that are better than anything they could possibly craft and all BOP. Either that, or grind for 2 weeks then quit until the next DLC like Rich says they want to cater to.

It has truly turned into Elder Procs Online. Who would have known that Wrobel would look at Skoria and think "I need 10 other sets like this, only with much higher damage!"?

Shush, I have plans for my heavy armor Grothdarr sorc. How else am I supposed to keep the stam proctards from face-hugging me?

By running a DD with 29k health

HoloYoitsu · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

The best thing players can do to reduce lag in PvP is to spend the next 3 months grinding PvE sets that are better than anything they could possibly craft and all BOP. Either that, or grind for 2 weeks then quit until the next DLC like Rich says they want to cater to.

It has truly turned into Elder Procs Online. Who would have known that Wrobel would look at Skoria and think "I need 10 other sets like this, only with much higher damage!"?

Shush, I have plans for my heavy armor Grothdarr sorc. How else am I supposed to keep the stam proctards from face-hugging me?

By running a DD with 29k health

I already am running 29k HP.

Drummerx04 · October 2016

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I appreciate everything you do on your end to reduce lag for players. Unfortunately the CP campaigns are still experiencing a lot of rubber banding and consistent lag. Is there anything we (players) can do that would make Cyrodiil perform better?

Are there certain skills that create more lag that we can avoid using? Are there armor sets or buffs that make lag worse? I'm grasping at straws here, but it's getting very frustrating to even attempt enjoying CP campaigns in their current state. Thanks.

Your questions was answered an a year ago: @ZOS_BrianWheeler asked players to "spread" over cyrodiil, so main issue is zerging(surprise!) which ZoS don't want to fix via AoE caps removal cause "it may touch PvE"(somehow), but tries to do this making AoE skills to make more direct effect, like latest ruining of Purge, Rapid Maneuver by locking them on N of group mates in effective radius instead of "all allies in effective radius"(actually, from my PoV getting data about groupmates and calculation who should get buff require more calculation and database requests than just querying all allies in zone and applying buff to them)

I may even get 2 weeks vacation to troubleshoot ESO server performance issues

That's unfortunate. Spreading out is difficult when your alliance only owns two keeps by its initial spawn area.

Actually, to get keep in 8 minutes you need organised 4 people group, in 5 minutes with 8 or more(3 trebs per person). You could get keep almost instantly if you wish so, and there's no reason to attack keeps which definitely under zerg protection.

Anyway, it's not my suggestion, it's ZoS idea to 'ask for spread' instead of making game mechanics simple and more direct: remove AoE cap - 6 person group can destroy 40 people with AoE, zergs spreads to not die instantly, problem solved.

I'm also for AoE cap removal and I think it would help pvp overall, but I like the minor delusions people have about taking on superior numbers. Yeah it's possible that 6 people would juts AoE down a group of 40 but those 40 people also have AoE and potentially a lot more firepower... and AoE heals which would also be uncapped, just imagine combat prayer hitting 40 people as they pass through a hallway to kill your 6 man. The removal of caps would not suddenly make such an encounter fair.

HoloYoitsu · October 2016

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I appreciate everything you do on your end to reduce lag for players. Unfortunately the CP campaigns are still experiencing a lot of rubber banding and consistent lag. Is there anything we (players) can do that would make Cyrodiil perform better?

Are there certain skills that create more lag that we can avoid using? Are there armor sets or buffs that make lag worse? I'm grasping at straws here, but it's getting very frustrating to even attempt enjoying CP campaigns in their current state. Thanks.

Your questions was answered an a year ago: @ZOS_BrianWheeler asked players to "spread" over cyrodiil, so main issue is zerging(surprise!) which ZoS don't want to fix via AoE caps removal cause "it may touch PvE"(somehow), but tries to do this making AoE skills to make more direct effect, like latest ruining of Purge, Rapid Maneuver by locking them on N of group mates in effective radius instead of "all allies in effective radius"(actually, from my PoV getting data about groupmates and calculation who should get buff require more calculation and database requests than just querying all allies in zone and applying buff to them)

I may even get 2 weeks vacation to troubleshoot ESO server performance issues

That's unfortunate. Spreading out is difficult when your alliance only owns two keeps by its initial spawn area.

Actually, to get keep in 8 minutes you need organised 4 people group, in 5 minutes with 8 or more(3 trebs per person). You could get keep almost instantly if you wish so, and there's no reason to attack keeps which definitely under zerg protection.

Anyway, it's not my suggestion, it's ZoS idea to 'ask for spread' instead of making game mechanics simple and more direct: remove AoE cap - 6 person group can destroy 40 people with AoE, zergs spreads to not die instantly, problem solved.

I'm also for AoE cap removal and I think it would help pvp overall, but I like the minor delusions people have about taking on superior numbers. Yeah it's possible that 6 people would juts AoE down a group of 40 but those 40 people also have AoE and potentially a lot more firepower... and AoE heals which would also be uncapped, just imagine combat prayer hitting 40 people as they pass through a hallway to kill your 6 man. The removal of caps would not suddenly make such an encounter fair.

Actually pretty much everyone who's asked for aoe cap removal has specificed they want dmg uncapped, not heals.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

The best thing players can do to reduce lag in PvP is to spend the next 3 months grinding PvE sets that are better than anything they could possibly craft and all BOP. Either that, or grind for 2 weeks then quit until the next DLC like Rich says they want to cater to.

It has truly turned into Elder Procs Online. Who would have known that Wrobel would look at Skoria and think "I need 10 other sets like this, only with much higher damage!"?

Shush, I have plans for my heavy armor Grothdarr sorc. How else am I supposed to keep the stam proctards from face-hugging me?

By running a DD with 29k health

I already am running 29k HP.

I could spec more into HP and be entirely unable to kill all the fotm ***, but meh.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · October 2016

Caltrops.

Stop using caltrops.

How has no one suggested this? If they took this stupid ability out of the game it would crash a ton less. I know of some guilds that actually TRY to lag everyone out as a battle tactic using caltrops. Happens all the time.

Sugaroverdose · October 2016

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I appreciate everything you do on your end to reduce lag for players. Unfortunately the CP campaigns are still experiencing a lot of rubber banding and consistent lag. Is there anything we (players) can do that would make Cyrodiil perform better?

Are there certain skills that create more lag that we can avoid using? Are there armor sets or buffs that make lag worse? I'm grasping at straws here, but it's getting very frustrating to even attempt enjoying CP campaigns in their current state. Thanks.

Your questions was answered an a year ago: @ZOS_BrianWheeler asked players to "spread" over cyrodiil, so main issue is zerging(surprise!) which ZoS don't want to fix via AoE caps removal cause "it may touch PvE"(somehow), but tries to do this making AoE skills to make more direct effect, like latest ruining of Purge, Rapid Maneuver by locking them on N of group mates in effective radius instead of "all allies in effective radius"(actually, from my PoV getting data about groupmates and calculation who should get buff require more calculation and database requests than just querying all allies in zone and applying buff to them)

I may even get 2 weeks vacation to troubleshoot ESO server performance issues

That's unfortunate. Spreading out is difficult when your alliance only owns two keeps by its initial spawn area.

Actually, to get keep in 8 minutes you need organised 4 people group, in 5 minutes with 8 or more(3 trebs per person). You could get keep almost instantly if you wish so, and there's no reason to attack keeps which definitely under zerg protection.

Anyway, it's not my suggestion, it's ZoS idea to 'ask for spread' instead of making game mechanics simple and more direct: remove AoE cap - 6 person group can destroy 40 people with AoE, zergs spreads to not die instantly, problem solved.

I'm also for AoE cap removal and I think it would help pvp overall, but I like the minor delusions people have about taking on superior numbers. Yeah it's possible that 6 people would juts AoE down a group of 40 but those 40 people also have AoE and potentially a lot more firepower... and AoE heals which would also be uncapped, just imagine combat prayer hitting 40 people as they pass through a hallway to kill your 6 man. The removal of caps would not suddenly make such an encounter fair.

I don't actually think that zerg will be organised enough to stack combat prayer while they trying to get 6 people who don't actually sit on one place, also zerg already can stack it, but noone uses such tactics even with it's potential to make vanguard players immortal

Belicourt · October 2016

If it was more rewarding to take/ have a keep maybe we would care about taking them when it is something like brindle. The reward isnt even worth it for emp keeps etc. the rewards for pvp are one of the biggest problems. If the ranking system mattered ie if you are top then youre emp and the next 70 are generals etc maybe people would care. Also, if i got more xp for taking a keep then grinding i would be having fun and accomplishing something too. Too much of the things in the game where you accomplish something are separate from having fun. having fun and getting something done or progressing should be a little more noticeable than it is. This is of course IMHO. I know i got a little off topic but if they dont want to invest i to performance then maybe they should reward people for having fun and doing other things in the reaches of cyrodiil that take pvpers feom zergs etc.