WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I think we should all admit it. Forumplar's cannot deny it any longer. This video isn't for bragging purposes I just got bored of my NB and took the Templar for a spin.
I genuinely think it's about time Magicka Templar was took down a notch. People can say Stamina is OP etc but it's got nothing on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRZko-VCrrg&feature=youtu.be

Group of 20 or so EP and another group of AD to burn down 2 Templars. So I stopped playing Magplar for this reason, it's just too easy. We're not looking at broken sets here, it's the class. No Malubeth, Reactive armour or Black Rose. I use 2 Engine Guardian, 5 Kagrenacs Hope and 5 Transmutation. I'm not even the best player in the world but I don't even need to slot Repentance or Radiant Destruction to manage my resources or get kills.

Can we just tune it down a bit? Templar is my class and I really miss playing it but it's not much fun when it feels like you're cheating. TGM off please and thanks for reading.

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I think we should all admit it. Forumplar's cannot deny it any longer. This video isn't for bragging purposes I just got bored of my NB and took the Templar for a spin.
I genuinely think it's about time Magicka Templar was took down a notch. People can say Stamina is OP etc but it's got nothing on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRZko-VCrrg&feature=youtu.be

Group of 20 or so EP and another group of AD to burn down 2 Templars. So I stopped playing Magplar for this reason, it's just too easy. We're not looking at broken sets here, it's the class. No Malubeth, Reactive armour or Black Rose. I use 2 Engine Guardian, 5 Kagrenacs Hope and 5 Transmutation. I'm not even the best player in the world but I don't even need to slot Repentance or Radiant Destruction to manage my resources or get kills.

Can we just tune it down a bit? Templar is my class and I really miss playing it but it's not much fun when it feels like you're cheating. TGM off please and thanks for reading.

I don't see what's broken in this video. The enemies don't seem to be countering effectively. If the enemies had just one person running a "debuff" build that aims to apply Major Defile and has CP into Befoul, then that fight would have ended quickly.

Magicka Templars get destroyed if you have a defiler in your group.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Well...I'll be honest. I've commented in this thread without watching the video. My bad. And I must apologize. Apologize for not blowing my top on what a really dumb video it was!

Omg! Are you serious? You claim two Templars in your post, but you are actually in a group of at least four for the majority of the time. Barely any enemy are focusing on you as they are trying to kill the Npcs and flip the flags. And there are oils dropping down on them, too. But eventually when flags are nearly flipped and they've secured everything, you get focused and drop.

There's really nothing to see here that any group of skilled players couldn't do. So that is a bit of a compliment. But my goodness! The number of times you were able to get off Darkflare without getting interrupted says less about you and more about the players you were fighting against. And in the end, you didn't save the keep or really accomplish anything except being tanks for a while. Sorry. Troll vid is troll vid. You got me.

Neither of us are tanks tho', I'm more offence (3000+ spell power) and my friend is in light armour. Neither of us are wearing anything cheese, it's two average Templars in purple gear absorbing a **** ton on damage. If we were tanks, Malutard/Reactive, we wouldn't have died.

If I'd posted a video of us in Malutard/Reactive then people would have said it's the sets, they only magnify how broken the healing is on Templar.

Templar, only viable healer for PvE, only viable magicka class for PvP (unless you're really good). The reason stamina is so far ahead is because Magicka Templar is right there up there with them. If ZOS try to buff mag Sorc, NB and DK it's gonna cause a whole world of imbalances.

I've made a thread to highlight Templar's imbalances, the fact they more or less have it all but there are other threads and it's the general opinion that Stamina is leaps and bounds ahead. This sounds easier:

So bring physical damage down and nerf Templar healing, reduce range of RD and nerf proc sets. Oh god that sounds like perfect balance to me. It would just be perfect.

If they nerfed physical damage and left Templar, then Templar would just be god mode.

Why do you keep saying there are only 2 of you when there are 5 people lit in your group indicating proximity?

I get it, you're just like everyone else who thinks templars are easymode. But you don't have to be disingenuous and say it's 2 vs 20 when it isn't. The fact that you feel the need to make such exaggerations just goes to show how shaky you claims are. you can't just let the facts speak for themselves.

What you and every other templar-hating formite fail too see beyond your hatred of RD and BoL is that templars are far and away the best magicka class is because of how ZoS has changed the game, more than anything they have done to templars. If ZoS made available the templar class from just before the IC patch, I would take that in a second and not think twice about it. My breath of life healed another person and goes through LoS, my purify insta-cleansed all projectiles, my heals were modified by an extra 5%, my jabs stunned, my charge was much faster, my RD ticked 7 times and did more damage, I did not have a cooldown on burning light, eclipse was actually a functional spell, RD did more damage and could not be LoSed. The class was WAY better, the only thing I'b be losing is some extra range on javelin (I dont even slot that spell) and a 12% damage on dark flare (which I dont use for damage). Templars were actually stronger back then, but nobody thought they were OP. ZoS didn;t buff them, ZoS changed other parts of the game to make them the only magicka choice worth playing.

Heavy armor and sword and shield are way way way better than light armor and staffs and that means Templars are going to benefit most. It would also mean DK if that class was any good. The tools that work best for mag NBs and mag Sorcs are not competitive. Neither class has a native heal which limits the options available for them to build around. Healing Ward is actually more efficient than breath of life, but trying to survive the stam burst onslaught with a resto staff that offers nothing else and actually detracts from your stats isn't going to work because the power creep has gotten out of control. How is a mag NB going to kill anything without a proxy bomb-VD explosion? Funnel health spam is easily outhealled by every spec out there and these light armor NBs want to get into melee range. The spec would be much stronger in an meta that was more about attrition than burst.

Your solution won't fix a thing. You're going to nerf templar healing but do nothing with Rally and Vigor? Are you joking? You do realize breath of life had been nerfed multiple times now and you templar-haters still are not satified. Why don't you pay attention to how efficient and strong those stamina based HoTs are. Nerfing physical damage will in now way lessen their stam surviability. In fact it, will make the stam plague even harder to kill, especially since you're also nerfing the only magica based attack they fear. mDK will still suck. NBs and Sorcs still will struggle because heavy armor and sword and shield are going to be way better than staffs - more so than they are now because of the super lame ultimates.

Templar-haters love to bash Wrobel and dub people who point out the overly simplistic nature of their nerf cries as "biased formplars," but things are not so simple as just "nerf templar!" and at least Wrobel actually considers more than one perspective.

Would just like to point out that, while much of this is true and insightful, it's all incredibly biased too. Hypocrisy all around; so much for letting facts speak for themselves. Classism goes both ways, and you're here calling for nerfs to other classes (or even outright stating they are no good) and justifying it with people who say similar things about your class. News flash: Classism is unproductive and counter-intuitive.

Take note that my criticisms here do not stem from your comments pertaining specifically to skills and not classes. I'm not criticizing this because it's relevant; comparing heals to heals, for example. Comments about disparities in armor choices are also relevant, at least until you start using class bias to draw the comparison for you.

There are a lot of people on this thread who know exactly what they're looking at in that video. Most of the experienced players (names which I know fairly well by this point) are in agreement that what's present in this video is not exactly what is claimed in the OP; most of us recognize it as player skill imbalance, not class imbalance. We recognize the necessity for heavy armor (or a combination) to take advantage of passives that many feel are imbalanced for various reasons. It's easy to look at a video and determine whether or not someone is performing in an active damage role, or a quazi-tank role, or whatever.

What I don't get is why this merits more pointless classism? My opinion of classism is that it is reserved for the untrained and unexperienced. For almost three years now (some of us at least, many others substantially less) we've seen the changes to each class, along with the changes to weapon/armor skills, etc. and have seen the rise and fall of every class at one point or another. Is this not the textbook definition of an MMO, where rebalancing is an ongoing challenge, rather than a one-time-and-done fix?

What are you talking about? I did not call for nerfs to other classes. I clearly said the other 3 classes were lacking as magicka specs - that doesn't mean nerf them! How exatly am I a biased classist in that I am admitting magplar, the only class I am rolling out now, is the only magicka class that can compete?

I know re-balancing is an ongoing challenge - which is why "nerf Templar" won't solve anything, especially since the class mechanically was stronger 15 months ago than it is today.

templars are far and away the best magicka class is because of how ZoS has changed the game

Heavy armor and sword and shield are way way way better than light armor and staffs and that means Templars are going to benefit most. It would also mean DK if that class was any good.

In fact it, will make the stam plague even harder to kill, especially since you're also nerfing the only magica based attack they fear. mDK will still suck. NBs and Sorcs still will struggle because heavy armor and sword and shield are going to be way better than staffs - more so than they are now because of the super lame ultimates.

How exatly am I a biased classist in that I am admitting magplar, the only class I am rolling out now, is the only magicka class that can compete?

Neoauspex wrote: »

This thread is exactly like the magplar in the video: it isn't really doing anything useful but it just won't die.

Autolycus wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Well...I'll be honest. I've commented in this thread without watching the video. My bad. And I must apologize. Apologize for not blowing my top on what a really dumb video it was!

Omg! Are you serious? You claim two Templars in your post, but you are actually in a group of at least four for the majority of the time. Barely any enemy are focusing on you as they are trying to kill the Npcs and flip the flags. And there are oils dropping down on them, too. But eventually when flags are nearly flipped and they've secured everything, you get focused and drop.

There's really nothing to see here that any group of skilled players couldn't do. So that is a bit of a compliment. But my goodness! The number of times you were able to get off Darkflare without getting interrupted says less about you and more about the players you were fighting against. And in the end, you didn't save the keep or really accomplish anything except being tanks for a while. Sorry. Troll vid is troll vid. You got me.

Neither of us are tanks tho', I'm more offence (3000+ spell power) and my friend is in light armour. Neither of us are wearing anything cheese, it's two average Templars in purple gear absorbing a **** ton on damage. If we were tanks, Malutard/Reactive, we wouldn't have died.

If I'd posted a video of us in Malutard/Reactive then people would have said it's the sets, they only magnify how broken the healing is on Templar.

Templar, only viable healer for PvE, only viable magicka class for PvP (unless you're really good). The reason stamina is so far ahead is because Magicka Templar is right there up there with them. If ZOS try to buff mag Sorc, NB and DK it's gonna cause a whole world of imbalances.

I've made a thread to highlight Templar's imbalances, the fact they more or less have it all but there are other threads and it's the general opinion that Stamina is leaps and bounds ahead. This sounds easier:

So bring physical damage down and nerf Templar healing, reduce range of RD and nerf proc sets. Oh god that sounds like perfect balance to me. It would just be perfect.

If they nerfed physical damage and left Templar, then Templar would just be god mode.

Why do you keep saying there are only 2 of you when there are 5 people lit in your group indicating proximity?

I get it, you're just like everyone else who thinks templars are easymode. But you don't have to be disingenuous and say it's 2 vs 20 when it isn't. The fact that you feel the need to make such exaggerations just goes to show how shaky you claims are. you can't just let the facts speak for themselves.

What you and every other templar-hating formite fail too see beyond your hatred of RD and BoL is that templars are far and away the best magicka class is because of how ZoS has changed the game, more than anything they have done to templars. If ZoS made available the templar class from just before the IC patch, I would take that in a second and not think twice about it. My breath of life healed another person and goes through LoS, my purify insta-cleansed all projectiles, my heals were modified by an extra 5%, my jabs stunned, my charge was much faster, my RD ticked 7 times and did more damage, I did not have a cooldown on burning light, eclipse was actually a functional spell, RD did more damage and could not be LoSed. The class was WAY better, the only thing I'b be losing is some extra range on javelin (I dont even slot that spell) and a 12% damage on dark flare (which I dont use for damage). Templars were actually stronger back then, but nobody thought they were OP. ZoS didn;t buff them, ZoS changed other parts of the game to make them the only magicka choice worth playing.

Heavy armor and sword and shield are way way way better than light armor and staffs and that means Templars are going to benefit most. It would also mean DK if that class was any good. The tools that work best for mag NBs and mag Sorcs are not competitive. Neither class has a native heal which limits the options available for them to build around. Healing Ward is actually more efficient than breath of life, but trying to survive the stam burst onslaught with a resto staff that offers nothing else and actually detracts from your stats isn't going to work because the power creep has gotten out of control. How is a mag NB going to kill anything without a proxy bomb-VD explosion? Funnel health spam is easily outhealled by every spec out there and these light armor NBs want to get into melee range. The spec would be much stronger in an meta that was more about attrition than burst.

Your solution won't fix a thing. You're going to nerf templar healing but do nothing with Rally and Vigor? Are you joking? You do realize breath of life had been nerfed multiple times now and you templar-haters still are not satified. Why don't you pay attention to how efficient and strong those stamina based HoTs are. Nerfing physical damage will in now way lessen their stam surviability. In fact it, will make the stam plague even harder to kill, especially since you're also nerfing the only magica based attack they fear. mDK will still suck. NBs and Sorcs still will struggle because heavy armor and sword and shield are going to be way better than staffs - more so than they are now because of the super lame ultimates.

Templar-haters love to bash Wrobel and dub people who point out the overly simplistic nature of their nerf cries as "biased formplars," but things are not so simple as just "nerf templar!" and at least Wrobel actually considers more than one perspective.

Would just like to point out that, while much of this is true and insightful, it's all incredibly biased too. Hypocrisy all around; so much for letting facts speak for themselves. Classism goes both ways, and you're here calling for nerfs to other classes (or even outright stating they are no good) and justifying it with people who say similar things about your class. News flash: Classism is unproductive and counter-intuitive.

Take note that my criticisms here do not stem from your comments pertaining specifically to skills and not classes. I'm not criticizing this because it's relevant; comparing heals to heals, for example. Comments about disparities in armor choices are also relevant, at least until you start using class bias to draw the comparison for you.

There are a lot of people on this thread who know exactly what they're looking at in that video. Most of the experienced players (names which I know fairly well by this point) are in agreement that what's present in this video is not exactly what is claimed in the OP; most of us recognize it as player skill imbalance, not class imbalance. We recognize the necessity for heavy armor (or a combination) to take advantage of passives that many feel are imbalanced for various reasons. It's easy to look at a video and determine whether or not someone is performing in an active damage role, or a quazi-tank role, or whatever.

What I don't get is why this merits more pointless classism? My opinion of classism is that it is reserved for the untrained and unexperienced. For almost three years now (some of us at least, many others substantially less) we've seen the changes to each class, along with the changes to weapon/armor skills, etc. and have seen the rise and fall of every class at one point or another. Is this not the textbook definition of an MMO, where rebalancing is an ongoing challenge, rather than a one-time-and-done fix?

What are you talking about? I did not call for nerfs to other classes. I clearly said the other 3 classes were lacking as magicka specs - that doesn't mean nerf them! How exatly am I a biased classist in that I am admitting magplar, the only class I am rolling out now, is the only magicka class that can compete?

I know re-balancing is an ongoing challenge - which is why "nerf Templar" won't solve anything, especially since the class mechanically was stronger 15 months ago than it is today.

Um.... Well, let's see here...

templars are far and away the best magicka class is because of how ZoS has changed the game

While I think I understand why you have this opinion, it's classist, and it's false.

Heavy armor and sword and shield are way way way better than light armor and staffs and that means Templars are going to benefit most. It would also mean DK if that class was any good.

In fact it, will make the stam plague even harder to kill, especially since you're also nerfing the only magica based attack they fear. mDK will still suck. NBs and Sorcs still will struggle because heavy armor and sword and shield are going to be way better than staffs - more so than they are now because of the super lame ultimates.

Dude... this stuff is just outright false. I know the popular opinion today is the mDKs don't perform well in cyrodiil, but without tangenting into that bottomless pit of a topic, to take a stance on either end of the good/bad spectrum is classism by definition. It's also false!!! Just because you seem to not go up against (or know any) good mDKs doesn't mean they suck. I run with mDKs that will make you wonder if you have enough insurance on your templar house. I personally have a magblade build that uses no proxy det, no cloak, no VD, and he does just fine. This is all classist bias.

I will admit that upon a second look, I mistook some of what you said as calling for nerfs, and I duly apologize for that. But your mindset is so narrow that you only see things through the templar lens. You don't even realize how biased you are. Look at the bolded portion in your previous post:

How exatly am I a biased classist in that I am admitting magplar, the only class I am rolling out now, is the only magicka class that can compete?

Get real. You aren't the only magicka class that can compete. I don't expect that you saw this post I made earlier, but a point I made is that it doesn't matter which class you put these sets on - ALL of them can make this stuff work. A Kags/Reactive/BR/VD/etc. - it doesn't really matter - can be pulled off by any class. Quit acting like all of the previous rebalances to Templars (and for the record, we probably will agree on some of these nerfs and how unnecessary they are, for what it's worth) is justification for bashing other classes. It's not any better than people who bash templars. It's classist, it's unproductive, and it's counter-intuitive.

Darnathian wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Neoauspex wrote: »

This thread is exactly like the magplar in the video: it isn't really doing anything useful but it just won't die.

It's definitely got people's interest xD

Actually all it showed is how utterly clueless u r.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Well...I'll be honest. I've commented in this thread without watching the video. My bad. And I must apologize. Apologize for not blowing my top on what a really dumb video it was!

Omg! Are you serious? You claim two Templars in your post, but you are actually in a group of at least four for the majority of the time. Barely any enemy are focusing on you as they are trying to kill the Npcs and flip the flags. And there are oils dropping down on them, too. But eventually when flags are nearly flipped and they've secured everything, you get focused and drop.

There's really nothing to see here that any group of skilled players couldn't do. So that is a bit of a compliment. But my goodness! The number of times you were able to get off Darkflare without getting interrupted says less about you and more about the players you were fighting against. And in the end, you didn't save the keep or really accomplish anything except being tanks for a while. Sorry. Troll vid is troll vid. You got me.

Neither of us are tanks tho', I'm more offence (3000+ spell power) and my friend is in light armour. Neither of us are wearing anything cheese, it's two average Templars in purple gear absorbing a **** ton on damage. If we were tanks, Malutard/Reactive, we wouldn't have died.

If I'd posted a video of us in Malutard/Reactive then people would have said it's the sets, they only magnify how broken the healing is on Templar.

Templar, only viable healer for PvE, only viable magicka class for PvP (unless you're really good). The reason stamina is so far ahead is because Magicka Templar is right there up there with them. If ZOS try to buff mag Sorc, NB and DK it's gonna cause a whole world of imbalances.

I've made a thread to highlight Templar's imbalances, the fact they more or less have it all but there are other threads and it's the general opinion that Stamina is leaps and bounds ahead. This sounds easier:

So bring physical damage down and nerf Templar healing, reduce range of RD and nerf proc sets. Oh god that sounds like perfect balance to me. It would just be perfect.

If they nerfed physical damage and left Templar, then Templar would just be god mode.

Why do you keep saying there are only 2 of you when there are 5 people lit in your group indicating proximity?

I get it, you're just like everyone else who thinks templars are easymode. But you don't have to be disingenuous and say it's 2 vs 20 when it isn't. The fact that you feel the need to make such exaggerations just goes to show how shaky you claims are. you can't just let the facts speak for themselves.

What you and every other templar-hating formite fail too see beyond your hatred of RD and BoL is that templars are far and away the best magicka class is because of how ZoS has changed the game, more than anything they have done to templars. If ZoS made available the templar class from just before the IC patch, I would take that in a second and not think twice about it. My breath of life healed another person and goes through LoS, my purify insta-cleansed all projectiles, my heals were modified by an extra 5%, my jabs stunned, my charge was much faster, my RD ticked 7 times and did more damage, I did not have a cooldown on burning light, eclipse was actually a functional spell, RD did more damage and could not be LoSed. The class was WAY better, the only thing I'b be losing is some extra range on javelin (I dont even slot that spell) and a 12% damage on dark flare (which I dont use for damage). Templars were actually stronger back then, but nobody thought they were OP. ZoS didn;t buff them, ZoS changed other parts of the game to make them the only magicka choice worth playing.

Heavy armor and sword and shield are way way way better than light armor and staffs and that means Templars are going to benefit most. It would also mean DK if that class was any good. The tools that work best for mag NBs and mag Sorcs are not competitive. Neither class has a native heal which limits the options available for them to build around. Healing Ward is actually more efficient than breath of life, but trying to survive the stam burst onslaught with a resto staff that offers nothing else and actually detracts from your stats isn't going to work because the power creep has gotten out of control. How is a mag NB going to kill anything without a proxy bomb-VD explosion? Funnel health spam is easily outhealled by every spec out there and these light armor NBs want to get into melee range. The spec would be much stronger in an meta that was more about attrition than burst.

Your solution won't fix a thing. You're going to nerf templar healing but do nothing with Rally and Vigor? Are you joking? You do realize breath of life had been nerfed multiple times now and you templar-haters still are not satified. Why don't you pay attention to how efficient and strong those stamina based HoTs are. Nerfing physical damage will in now way lessen their stam surviability. In fact it, will make the stam plague even harder to kill, especially since you're also nerfing the only magica based attack they fear. mDK will still suck. NBs and Sorcs still will struggle because heavy armor and sword and shield are going to be way better than staffs - more so than they are now because of the super lame ultimates.

Templar-haters love to bash Wrobel and dub people who point out the overly simplistic nature of their nerf cries as "biased formplars," but things are not so simple as just "nerf templar!" and at least Wrobel actually considers more than one perspective.

Would just like to point out that, while much of this is true and insightful, it's all incredibly biased too. Hypocrisy all around; so much for letting facts speak for themselves. Classism goes both ways, and you're here calling for nerfs to other classes (or even outright stating they are no good) and justifying it with people who say similar things about your class. News flash: Classism is unproductive and counter-intuitive.

Take note that my criticisms here do not stem from your comments pertaining specifically to skills and not classes. I'm not criticizing this because it's relevant; comparing heals to heals, for example. Comments about disparities in armor choices are also relevant, at least until you start using class bias to draw the comparison for you.

There are a lot of people on this thread who know exactly what they're looking at in that video. Most of the experienced players (names which I know fairly well by this point) are in agreement that what's present in this video is not exactly what is claimed in the OP; most of us recognize it as player skill imbalance, not class imbalance. We recognize the necessity for heavy armor (or a combination) to take advantage of passives that many feel are imbalanced for various reasons. It's easy to look at a video and determine whether or not someone is performing in an active damage role, or a quazi-tank role, or whatever.

What I don't get is why this merits more pointless classism? My opinion of classism is that it is reserved for the untrained and unexperienced. For almost three years now (some of us at least, many others substantially less) we've seen the changes to each class, along with the changes to weapon/armor skills, etc. and have seen the rise and fall of every class at one point or another. Is this not the textbook definition of an MMO, where rebalancing is an ongoing challenge, rather than a one-time-and-done fix?

What are you talking about? I did not call for nerfs to other classes. I clearly said the other 3 classes were lacking as magicka specs - that doesn't mean nerf them! How exatly am I a biased classist in that I am admitting magplar, the only class I am rolling out now, is the only magicka class that can compete?

I know re-balancing is an ongoing challenge - which is why "nerf Templar" won't solve anything, especially since the class mechanically was stronger 15 months ago than it is today.

Um.... Well, let's see here...

templars are far and away the best magicka class is because of how ZoS has changed the game

While I think I understand why you have this opinion, it's classist, and it's false.

Heavy armor and sword and shield are way way way better than light armor and staffs and that means Templars are going to benefit most. It would also mean DK if that class was any good.

In fact it, will make the stam plague even harder to kill, especially since you're also nerfing the only magica based attack they fear. mDK will still suck. NBs and Sorcs still will struggle because heavy armor and sword and shield are going to be way better than staffs - more so than they are now because of the super lame ultimates.

Dude... this stuff is just outright false. I know the popular opinion today is the mDKs don't perform well in cyrodiil, but without tangenting into that bottomless pit of a topic, to take a stance on either end of the good/bad spectrum is classism by definition. It's also false!!! Just because you seem to not go up against (or know any) good mDKs doesn't mean they suck. I run with mDKs that will make you wonder if you have enough insurance on your templar house. I personally have a magblade build that uses no proxy det, no cloak, no VD, and he does just fine. This is all classist bias.

I will admit that upon a second look, I mistook some of what you said as calling for nerfs, and I duly apologize for that. But your mindset is so narrow that you only see things through the templar lens. You don't even realize how biased you are. Look at the bolded portion in your previous post:

How exatly am I a biased classist in that I am admitting magplar, the only class I am rolling out now, is the only magicka class that can compete?

Get real. You aren't the only magicka class that can compete. I don't expect that you saw this post I made earlier, but a point I made is that it doesn't matter which class you put these sets on - ALL of them can make this stuff work. A Kags/Reactive/BR/VD/etc. - it doesn't really matter - can be pulled off by any class. Quit acting like all of the previous rebalances to Templars (and for the record, we probably will agree on some of these nerfs and how unnecessary they are, for what it's worth) is justification for bashing other classes. It's not any better than people who bash templars. It's classist, it's unproductive, and it's counter-intuitive.

It's one thing to call my perspective as an opinion, that's legit.

It's another to flat out say it's false because it doesn't match what you believe. What a hypocrite. You going to chastise me for equating my perspective as being true and then turn around and do the exact same thing.

I don't care how great of a player you think you are, but just because you think you do just fine does not automatically make it so. Your opinion is no more valid than mine so stop trying to pretend it is and that mine is somehow 'false" because of some anecdotal evidence stemming from people you run with. You have zero clue who I run with, who I play with and against, so stop trying to claim that who you play with is valid whereas my perspective is invalid and born from ignorance. You tell me to get real, that I'm biased, and I'm a classist - lol what a lot of nerve.

Finally, just because you don't think investigating why templars seem to be over-performing to many people is unproductive, once again does not make it so. That is your opinion, and I again, I don't care how smart you think you are, your opinion is not somehow correct while mine is false. So go ahead and call me dude, misrepresent my stance, and make up words and call it classist. I don't care. I do care that from my perspective, one particular magicka class can tank, heal, sustain, and kill other players all at a high level and noticeably more efficiently than the other 3. I also care the the issue is represented fairly, which is why I called the OP into question.

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Neoauspex wrote: »

This thread is exactly like the magplar in the video: it isn't really doing anything useful but it just won't die.

It's definitely got people's interest xD

Actually all it showed is how utterly clueless u r.

How so, jolly chap? Tell a templar main from beta til DB patch how clueless he is. Go on.

People have tried in this very same thread. You have blinders on. You post a video and claim something is OP and yet you have not prooven why. The video is a joke. Those were baddies.

In this meta trying to nerf a magicka class that is able to survive a little longer against stam meta chasers but in the end still die is funny at best.

So we died after four minutes to a raid in the end, that's what it took. The EP managed to kill our group, the group of AD but it took the entire EP raid to kill us 2, with Jesus Beam may I add.

Maybe if you spent less time defending Magicka Templar and played the other classes you would know how OP it is compared to the magicka counterparts of the other classes.

It is literally up there with stamina builds if not better in some instances like this one. You think 2 stam Sorcs can soak up that much damage, we were stood in Razor Caltrops whilst getting pounded on for over half the video. We're not even good Templars in optimal gear.

Had you been a threat, which you obviously weren't, it wouldn't have taken them 3 minutes and 55 seconds to realize you were there. It took about 5 seconds to kill you after they flipped the flags. Had the EP squad been any good, it wouldn't have take them almost 4 minutes to flip 2 flags.

While I main a magplar, I've played my magic nightblade almost exclusively for the past month. Are magic templars strong? Sure? Are they OP? Not so much. I have no trouble killing templars on what is universally considered the worst pvp class.

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White wabbit wrote: »

All this Op sounds to me is someone that's got it in for Templars callling the Jesus beamers etc . I can only come up with conclusion he was bested one and now is bitter

Erm ok. Nice troll attempt.