So looks like the Stam Sorc/Viper & Velidreth Proc meta will only grow!

Kerioko · October 2016

From the patch notes:

Viper’s Sting: Fixed an issue where this item set’s Poison Damage proc was being mitigated based on the target’s Spell Resistance instead of their Physical Resistance.
Velidreth: Reduced this item set’s cooldown to 9 seconds from 10 seconds.
Hurricane (Lightning Form morph): Fixed an issue where this morph did not gain any benefits as it increased in rank. It now deals slightly more damage as it ranks up

While I understand two of these are bug fixes and the other will help bring Velidreth more inline with other sets for end-game PVE. This is probably going to cause even more lack of build diversity in PVP..

TL:DR, Roll proc stam sorc or beamplar or go home!

Eirella · October 2016

*sigh* :'(

I will still stick to my magicka sorc though, at least I can blame my constant dying in PVP on imbalances...

Isellskooma · October 2016

You mean 5 Blackrose, 5 viper, Velidreth with DW and SnB and with 2h/bow just take out Blackrose or viper. Probably just guessed 78.99% of the PvPs community's build.

DHale · October 2016

Why does anyone care about build diversity if people didn't do everything to find the meta there wouldn't be the meta? Do what what works what Is effective.

AmberLaTerra · October 2016

Isellskooma wrote: »

You mean 5 Blackrose, 5 viper, 2 Velidreth, 2h maelstrom, Mastersbow. Probably just guessed 78.99% of the PvPs community's build.

you do realize for 5/5/2 build you need one of those 5's to be duel weapons or sword and board, so Maelstrom/master could not be used with it

Isellskooma · October 2016

AmberLaTerra wrote: »

Isellskooma wrote: »

You mean 5 Blackrose, 5 viper, 2 Velidreth, 2h maelstrom, Mastersbow. Probably just guessed 78.99% of the PvPs community's build.

you do realize for 5/5/2 build you need one of those 5's to be duel weapons or sword and board, so Maelstrom/master could not be used with it

Yes I know that I messed up Bro, forgot to fix it as soon as I posted it but forgot as I got a text. Sorry

Methariorn · October 2016

It's quite pointless giving a tons of different sets when a couple are just stupidy op and a must have in pvp today. Asking for a *** sets/pvp belance patch is too much I guess?

Vaoh · October 2016

They could have quite easily NERFED both these OP sets. Velidreth and Viper's Sting are ruining PvP.

Velidreth:
- Reduced the damage of this set's 2-piece bonus proc by 25%.

Viper's Sting:
- Increase the internal cool down from 4 seconds to 6 seconds
- Reduce the damage of this set's 5-piece bonus proc by 30%

Would be a step in the right direction. Even with these massive nerfs both sets would STILL be used on most Stamina builds in PvP. (in conjunction even!).... And we have better sets for PvE anyway, so you sure don't need the most OP and imbalanced possible sets in PvP to also be viable for top-tier DPS and vMA.

Tbh the situation is laughable right now. GG Magicka builds

olsborg · October 2016

There are other sick sets out there now, and with less cooldown.

Poisonous Serpent: This item set’s proc now has a 1 second cooldown.

Oh and also widowmaker is cancer.

Browiseth · October 2016

Viable = OP

how dare you stam sorcs be viable get out

Vaoh · October 2016

Browiseth wrote: »

Viable = OP

how dare you stam sorcs be viable get out

You're comparing OP sets to Stam Sorc finally being viable.

If Magicka was given a set that was utterly OP (perhaps with a 10K Flame proc that healed you for damage done with a 2 second internal cooldown), and Valkyn Skoria's proc damage was increased by 100%, would it be balanced because now Mag DKS would work great?

I don't think so.

Stam Sorcs are strong now. This is a good thing. The OP sets are not a good thing.

WHY WOULD THE SAME TWO SETS RUN BY 90% OF THE STAMINA BUILDS IN CYRODIIL GET BUFFED????? WTH!!!!

Stardark · October 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

WHY WOULD THE SAME TWO SETS RUN BY 90% OF THE STAMINA BUILDS IN CYRODIIL GET BUFFED????? WTH!!!!

Maybe Cyrodil isn't the entire game?

Mashille · October 2016

DHale wrote: »

Why does anyone care about build diversity

Vaoh · October 2016

Stardark wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

WHY WOULD THE SAME TWO SETS RUN BY 90% OF THE STAMINA BUILDS IN CYRODIIL GET BUFFED????? WTH!!!!

Maybe Cyrodil isn't the entire game?

And maybe the PvP side of the game was meant to be the endgame, and encompasses PvP in its entirety, which is being torn apart thanks to disgustingly imbalanced sets such as Velidreth and Viper's Sting. Both of these sets are so strong they could face massive 25%+ damage nerfs and still remain used by nearly all Stam builds because they are broken af.

PvE is doing great, and these sets do not need to benefit it at all for top tier DPS. In Fact, Viper's Sting/Velidreth is so OP, that mixing it with 5x Vicious Ophidian is not only fantastic for DPS, but is also some of the literal BiS gear for vMA. On Stam NB, you have no reason to ever run anything else.

Maybe Cyrodiil makes up PvP aka 50% of the game and a large population in the ESO community?

Isellskooma · October 2016

olsborg wrote: »

There are other sick sets out there now, and with less cooldown.

Poisonous Serpent: This item set’s proc now has a 1 second cooldown.

Oh and also widowmaker is cancer.

Honestly, combine Poisonous Serpent and Viper and you got 100% up time on the procs.

Stardark · October 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

And maybe the PvP side of the game was meant to be the endgame
..snip...
Maybe Cyrodiil makes up PvP aka 50% of the game and a large population in the ESO community?

Point 1: Doubt that very much.

Point 2: Splitting PvE / PvP 50/50 is a bit simplistic to support your theory. PvE has far more variations in activity, and a far larger community.

Waffennacht · October 2016

Ok so let's think this out:

Viper OP
Veli OP
Black Rose OP
Widowmaker OP
Serpent OP
Reactive OP

And those are just what's been released...

Maybe your views on what the new damage scale is off. Maybe there is balance in these sets only at higher numbers than what you are accustomed to. Maybe your perception of what constitutes OP is out dated.

Just saying not all of these can be OP at once

Vaoh · October 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ok so let's think this out:

Viper OP
Veli OP
Black Rose OP
Widowmaker OP
Serpent OP
Reactive OP

And those are just what's been released...

Maybe your views on what the new damage scale is off. Maybe there is balance in these sets only at higher numbers than what you are accustomed to. Maybe your perception of what constitutes OP is out dated.

Just saying not all of these can be OP at once

PvP is balanced at its very core around burst damage. Burst damage happens quick, can hit crazy numbers, is usually unpurgeable (the exception being delayed damage such as from Velocious Curse), and is much harder to cope with/avoid. Proc sets are an inherent boost to this burst when it can be timed almost perfectly in sync with skills you are using to deal high burst damage. This makes it way too easy to use, and freakishly OP when overturned as they currently are.

Viper OP? Yes. Way too high damage for this proc
Velidreth OP? Yes. Too high damage for this proc
Black Rose OP? Yes.
Widowmaker OP? I don't think so. It is rarely found in Cyrodiil from my experience, and though strong, is not OP.
Serpent OP? No. Good yes....OP no....
Reactive OP? Sort of. it's very annoying, but with Reactive jewelry/weapons becoming available next patch, it may become OP. Cannot predict without checking out PvP a month from now.

The 3 "OP" sets are currently run by at the very bare minimum 9 out of 10 Stamina players. Stamina encompasses the vast majority of PvP builds atm since they are so strong, essentially meaning that you have well over half of all the players in PvP running the same setups.

Wanna know why stuff like that happens?

It happens because something is OP.

Wolfchild07 · October 2016

Sheep will be sheep. Personally, I find Infernal Guardian more interesting and fun.

Waffennacht · October 2016

@Vaoh OP or Over Powered means there is no comparison and singularly is BiS. The fact that are are more than one means they are not Over Powered but just the new curve.

ku5h · October 2016

Stardark wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

And maybe the PvP side of the game was meant to be the endgame
..snip...
Maybe Cyrodiil makes up PvP aka 50% of the game and a large population in the ESO community?

Point 1: Doubt that very much.

Point 2: Splitting PvE / PvP 50/50 is a bit simplistic to support your theory. PvE has far more variations in activity, and a far larger community.

Thats why i can hardy find a group to do daily pledges while my home campaign is pop locked 90% of the day and when i queue up i end up 100+ in queue and have to wait over an hour to get in.

Vrath · October 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Vaoh OP or Over Powered means there is no comparison and singularly is BiS. The fact that are are more than one means they are not Over Powered but just the new curve.

I strongly disagree with your perception of things.
OP = over power or over performing.
Just because a few things are over performing in the current meta does not make them the new balancing point, that is essentially embracing power creep which MMOs have to curtail. Power creep is a huge problem in a game like this and why other games do stat squashes at certain points.
ESO is trending into a an unrewarding and rather skill less PvP system, of burst first, proc your set, tbag and win meta where there is no counter play. With TTK so low already and continued power creep it is trending dangerously close to CoD style of play with proc and pray involved. Its clear you dont have any concerns and enjoy this style, however for me and others that want actual balance and rewarding game play this is a continued turn in the wrong direction.

The longer they wait the more people stop playing PvP or join the already cancerous meta magnifying the problem.

Vaoh · October 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Vaoh OP or Over Powered means there is no comparison and singularly is BiS. The fact that are are more than one means they are not Over Powered but just the new curve.

And there isn't. There can be more than a singular set that is OP.

As an example (which is pathetically not far off from the current situation) imagine these three sets entered Cyrodiil PvP:

Balance
(2 items) Adds 967 Maximum Stamina
(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(4 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(5 items) Balance
Increases your Weapon Damage by 100% of your Stamina Regeneration.

Raging Hurricane
(2 items) Adds 967 Maximum Stamina
(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Raging Hurricane
Every time you take damage you are granted a Rage stack. Each Rage stack increases your Weapon Damage by 200, stacking up to 10 times. Rage stacks fade away if you do not take damage again within 15 seconds.
If you accumulate 10 Rage stacks, you unleash a raging torrent of wind, dealing 15672 physical damage to all enemies with 10 meters of you. You are passively granted Major Beserk while this bonus is active.

Unrelenting Fury
(2 items) Adds 967 Maximum Stamina
(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Unrelenting Fury
DoTs scaling off of your Might Champion Star deal 100% increased damage, and inflict affected enemies with Major Maim. You are passively granted Major mending while this bonus is active.

All three of these sets are insanely OP, and would absolutely ruin PvP (even PvE tbh). Are they not OP since they are in competition amongst themselves?

The issue is that certain sets in the meta right now are so powerful they outclass practically any other options you might've considered. These OP sets also practically all belong to Stamina, which is notoriously stronger than Magicka this patch anyway.