What Is the Point of PVP?

wenchmore420b14_ESO · October 2016

Also, another point I PvP is ....More Skill Points!!!!!!!!

GazettE · October 2016

I want to ask you back, whats the point of playing this game?

Mojmir · October 2016

dem0n1k · October 2016

The point is to kill yellows.

Julianos · October 2016

came here to read forums while waiting endless loading in cyrodiil lol

DHale · October 2016

What is the point of pvp? Well fun... is why I play it. Why play pve... why play video games why do we do anything? like to play against opponents that you cannot predict they have no mechanics.

Silver_Strider · October 2016

All your reasons against PvP can just as easily be applied to PvE content.
Bugs, broken skills, exploits, etc. all apply to PvE content just as much as PvP. You want to talk about lag, go do vMA a couple times and say the lag isn't terrible in there. The stamina vs magic imbalance go into trial groups as well, not just PvP content, with more and more players converting to stamina so as to keep up with the imbalance. Broken skills aren't much of an issue as NPCs can't complain but then we have skills that just aren't working correctly, like Elusive mist still getting snared by some enemy NPCs.

So, what's the point of PvE content? Constantly grinding one thing or another to get gear to use to grind even more? Repeating the same pattern of attacks in some optimal rotation to beat some content you've already beaten for the 1000th time 2 seconds faster than you did previously? Earn money so you can buy that missing motif page....that you'll NEVER use because all the BiS gear is dropped sets with maybe a handful of exceptions.

Even with all the negatives of PvP, I still find fun in it because it's always changing. Sure, Shuffle and Black Rose meta have soured PvP greatly but it makes winning against them all the sweeter.

SlayerTheDragon · October 2016

@Ch4mpTW

The thing is 99% of what you say is true. And still PVP is 1 000 000 time more enjoyable than PVE.

I mean all of us here had to labour through your VMA threads...

Alucardo · October 2016

What is life

Luigi_Vampa · October 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

What is life

https://youtu.be/ydbDJqXCrFs

Lava_Croft · October 2016

PvP is dynamic, PvE is static.

Mojmir · October 2016

Elong · October 2016

Because it's fun.

Why do you pve?

Why do people RP?

Ch4mpTW · October 2016

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

@Ch4mpTW

The thing is 99% of what you say is true. And still PVP is 1 000 000 time more enjoyable than PVE.

I mean all of us here had to labour through your VMA threads...

MalakithAlamahdi · October 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

So that we can play versus other players. You know, player versus player? That's all the pont really needs to be.

If that's the case how about you pick up a chess board and play some old people in the park.

That's better PVP than this anyways, at least you don't need to buy a new CPU just to play the damn thing.

Or you try playing on an actual computer and not a toaster. I like my bread crispy too, but I'm not gonna play eso on it.

Lava_Croft · October 2016

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

So that we can play versus other players. You know, player versus player? That's all the pont really needs to be.

If that's the case how about you pick up a chess board and play some old people in the park.

That's better PVP than this anyways, at least you don't need to buy a new CPU just to play the damn thing.

Or you try playing on an actual computer and not a toaster. I like my bread crispy too, but I'm not gonna play eso on it.

It doesn't really matter what kind of PC you have, ESO will perform terrribly. It's a terrible renderer that sports terrible physics and terrible controls.

That's what you get for using a terrible, decade old DX9 engine that you pretend is a DX11 engine because you changed a few parameters.

MalakithAlamahdi · October 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

So that we can play versus other players. You know, player versus player? That's all the pont really needs to be.

If that's the case how about you pick up a chess board and play some old people in the park.

That's better PVP than this anyways, at least you don't need to buy a new CPU just to play the damn thing.

Or you try playing on an actual computer and not a toaster. I like my bread crispy too, but I'm not gonna play eso on it.

It doesn't really matter what kind of PC you have, ESO will perform terrribly. It's a terrible renderer that sports terrible physics and terrible controls.

That's what you get for using a terrible, decade old DX9 engine that you pretend is a DX11 engine because you changed a few parameters.

It runs fine on my pc though, as well as my friends. The only time my fps gets low is when a big zerg comes in spamming spells.

I did notice it memory leaking after some patch, so after a couple of hours I need to restart the game.

My post was meant as a joke btw

LaiTash · October 2016

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Or you try playing on an actual computer and not a toaster.

Which is pointless considering how ESO utilizes cpu cores.

FloppyTouch · October 2016

its fun

Lava_Croft · October 2016

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

So that we can play versus other players. You know, player versus player? That's all the pont really needs to be.

If that's the case how about you pick up a chess board and play some old people in the park.

That's better PVP than this anyways, at least you don't need to buy a new CPU just to play the damn thing.

Or you try playing on an actual computer and not a toaster. I like my bread crispy too, but I'm not gonna play eso on it.

It doesn't really matter what kind of PC you have, ESO will perform terrribly. It's a terrible renderer that sports terrible physics and terrible controls.

That's what you get for using a terrible, decade old DX9 engine that you pretend is a DX11 engine because you changed a few parameters.

It runs fine on my pc though, as well as my friends. The only time my fps gets low is when a big zerg comes in spamming spells.

I did notice it memory leaking after some patch, so after a couple of hours I need to restart the game.

My post was meant as a joke btw

ESO uses a decade+ old renderer that has no clue about your modern hardware and really only cares about the speed of a single core CPU. It really performs terribly when taking into consideration the graphics that are presented.

Thrasher91604 · October 2016

Teabagging. It's all about the teabagging.

Doctordarkspawn · October 2016

It's there because every other MMO has PVP.

It's no more ballanced than the others because it cant be by design.

Deyirn · October 2016

From the little I know about the game, I've come under the impression that PvP and PvE are so separate from each other, that if you want to PvE, PvP isn't bothering you in any way, and vice versa.

It's not like it's open world PvP and you can't even fart without being ganked. I think you haven't played enough Vanilla WoW. There are some private servers out there, play for a month or two, then you will be running back here praising ESO.

Also, I'm not good at PvP in most games, but I still enjoy participating in it, as long as I have a slight chance to kill someone. Even though I'm bad at PvP, there is one thing about it that PvE will never have - variety. Each player is different and each encounter will be different, PvE is just doing the same thing over and over, and while I like that, no one can deny that PvE is more repetitive, because of the encounters mostly. It's a fact for pretty much every game out there, except maybe some sandbox MMO where players can build cities and stuff.

Odditorium · October 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

So that we can play versus other players. You know, player versus player? That's all the pont really needs to be.

If that's the case how about you pick up a chess board and play some old people in the park.

That's better PVP than this anyways, at least you don't need to buy a new CPU just to play the damn thing.

If those old folks send me nasty, debasing whispers (which has become my life's blood) telling me how awful I am and to "please quit now" while they lay dead in the fetal position sign me up.

Browiseth · October 2016

Does there really need to be some deeper meaning when you play a videogame? It can't just be fun on it's own merits?

DurzoBlint13 · October 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So from the replies I have gotten thus far, the whole point of PVP is about an ego boost of sorts. All the while the actual point of it missing, and it being a means of in a sense boosting your self-esteem by killing other players. Even though there is in fact blatant balance flaws (that unsurprisingly no one mentioned), and the rewards behind it (loot-wise) being garbage. Got it. I understand.

Edit:

raasdal wrote: »

What is the point of PvE?

I play PvP because it is fun to 1vX or do Smallscale grouping. At the end of the day, all PvP in any game is about your selfesteem, by beating other players. PvE does not give me near the same satisfaction.

The point of PVE are numerous. Lore, loot, challenges (whether it be time oriented or otherwise), mechanics comprehension testing in both application of said mechanics knowledge and learning said mechanics, storytelling enjoyment, immersion indulgence of the atmosphere/environment, etc. In fact, those are the reasons why I even bother with the Elder Scrolls franchise to begin with. >_>

you just illustrated the point perfectly yourself. Enjoyment of anything is up to the individual. You enjoy the lore and mechanics while others enjoy large scale battles and playing against other players instead of AI. PvE can be very mechanic heavy and take a while to get the hang of, while PvP is very dynamic and changes from one moment to another. It is all a matter of what appeals to you. I love ESO PvP but the lag has frustrated me for a while now and I do not PvP as much as I would like because of it. If they would ever spend the time and money to revamp the servers and eliminate some of the more blatant exploits, there would be a lot more to enjoy in Cyrodil.
Right now PvP is just too broken to be really enjoyable.....but it has the potential to be great if they would ever invest some of the money they milk from us back into the game

Orchish · October 2016

PvP is the only reason i play ESO. Because when it's not infuriating it's fun.

kevlarto_ESO · October 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Now before people go wondering why I put this in this section, rather than the PVP section — it's because I feel this to be a rather general question of sorts and topic. I'll explain.

PVP in any game is often as it's said. PVP. Player versus player. Now, in a game like ESO PVP is there as a means of alliance against alliance (or supposed to be). But in the end, AP farming is what truly matters. As well as emperorship trading. So what purpose does it serve in this game?

Dueling comes along with One Tamriel, and will cut down on Cyrodiil population (I'm assuming and guessing). And as is, PVP in its current state is a joke. You have: Broken skills, heavy unbalance, lag, bugs, exploits, macro-users, cheat engine users, etc. Throw all of that together, with the fact that you have load screens right and left and a vast majority of time spent on your mount and chasing your enemies to and from keep to keep.

So why do we do it? I'm sure some people find what I listed above as fun. Some people may PVP for the skills you unlock to utilize in PVE (e.g. Vigor, Magicka Detonation, Caltrops, etc.). But in the end, if PVP was removed... Would it even matter? What exactly is lost if you do lose in a PVP campaign? Nothing. Lol. What type of loot do you get? Subpar compared to PVE loot. What rewards are applied for killing your fellow enemy player? Some mail with junk. A tad bit of gold (200ish). A soul gem. And alliance points. Lol. Bruh.

What is the point? What is the point of PVP in ESO? There will forever be unbalance due to the core of the game itself. The classes themselves make things unbalanced. Throw in the blatant stamina overpowered magicka, and things get further out of whack. Unless if you're a Templar, and spam Radiant Destruction and constantly heal yourself when damn near dead to full health. I don't get it. Oh, and also let's talk about how battles in Cyrodiil are often won. And you know what that's about. Whoever has the biggest group wins. Whoever has the most populated alliance wins. So, how is it even remotely enjoyable?

And before someone says I'm whining, no. Lol. I just want to know the point behind PVP. Why is it even in ESO? For what reason?

I agree, one big mistake they did was not having pvp one faction one campaign, this supports the population imbalance, no faction pride, no campaign pride why fight hard for a faction when I can just flip flop to any winning faction at any time. The collusion in pvp is sickening

Second big mistake, not awarding players more for supporting the faction, personal gain is to much in pvp, that's why we have AP farmers, no support for the campaign it's all about the "I" in pvp.

ZOS has a terrible record of banning cheaters or even being able to detect them, they can adjust the cheat engine now to fly under the auto detect, so we have a lot of cheaters, shame really.

Outside of a little fun, the three faction so called war is a joke.

Rikumaru · October 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Now before people go wondering why I put this in this section, rather than the PVP section — it's because I feel this to be a rather general question of sorts and topic. I'll explain.

PVP in any game is often as it's said. PVP. Player versus player. Now, in a game like ESO PVP is there as a means of alliance against alliance (or supposed to be). But in the end, AP farming is what truly matters. As well as emperorship trading. So what purpose does it serve in this game?

Dueling comes along with One Tamriel, and will cut down on Cyrodiil population (I'm assuming and guessing). And as is, PVP in its current state is a joke. You have: Broken skills, heavy unbalance, lag, bugs, exploits, macro-users, cheat engine users, etc. Throw all of that together, with the fact that you have load screens right and left and a vast majority of time spent on your mount and chasing your enemies to and from keep to keep.

So why do we do it? I'm sure some people find what I listed above as fun. Some people may PVP for the skills you unlock to utilize in PVE (e.g. Vigor, Magicka Detonation, Caltrops, etc.). But in the end, if PVP was removed... Would it even matter? What exactly is lost if you do lose in a PVP campaign? Nothing. Lol. What type of loot do you get? Subpar compared to PVE loot. What rewards are applied for killing your fellow enemy player? Some mail with junk. A tad bit of gold (200ish). A soul gem. And alliance points. Lol. Bruh.

What is the point? What is the point of PVP in ESO? There will forever be unbalance due to the core of the game itself. The classes themselves make things unbalanced. Throw in the blatant stamina overpowered magicka, and things get further out of whack. Unless if you're a Templar, and spam Radiant Destruction and constantly heal yourself when damn near dead to full health. I don't get it. Oh, and also let's talk about how battles in Cyrodiil are often won. And you know what that's about. Whoever has the biggest group wins. Whoever has the most populated alliance wins. So, how is it even remotely enjoyable?

And before someone says I'm whining, no. Lol. I just want to know the point behind PVP. Why is it even in ESO? For what reason?

Well smaller groups can still wipe larger groups but this is now much harder to achieve thanks to many of the changes ZOS made to empower the zergs. I enjoy PvP just due to the fact that its pretty fun to fight real life players in a huge world where almost anything can happen. Sure each patch in my opinion has made the game worse due to balance being geared towards numbers rather than skillful play but the PvP in this MMO looks ahella more fun than in other MMOs.

raviour · October 2016

PvP is a laugh and the randomness is great. There is no meta style of play or gear in PvP and we have the option to use many class skills that you would never utilise in PvE. The thrill of winning when u are outnumbered is nice too.

The vibe is certainly better in general than end game PvE or even pledges. I make more friends in cyrodiil than i do in vet trials coz in trials u really gotta focus, maybe have a laugh after u kill last boss but thats it. Obviously in cyro u gotta focus too sometimes but there is more time to afk or deal with social stuff.

It is also good survivability training for end game PvE content.