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[Video] Eric, Rich please watch. Magicka Templar is Broken.
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MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »
If you can kill anyone with that alone it's their fault. No decent (stamina) player has issues with RD.0 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭Puncturing sweep heals for 35% of damage done, is cone AOE, is also top if not the best single target dps. Add another templar skill for major mending and it increases its healing by 25% more.
It is a bit too much for one skill... people even joke that you can slot it and solo the entire game and it is 100% true, nothing can outdps its healing you can solo world bosses, veteran dungeons and so on with it. for PVE add the jesus beam the morph that heals 20% of its damage and you have a self healing dps unlike none.
In PvP you get something that simply does not die like you can see there... AND does major dps.1 -
MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭Puncturing sweep heals for 35% of damage done, is cone AOE, is also top if not the best single target dps. Add another templar skill for major mending and it increases its healing by 25% more.
It is a bit too much for one skill... people even joke that you can slot it and solo the entire game and it is 100% true, nothing can outdps its healing you can solo world bosses, veteran dungeons and so on with it. for PVE add the jesus beam the morph that heals 20% of its damage and you have a self healing dps unlike none.
In PvP you get something that simply does not die like you can see there... AND does major dps.
It's healing is pretty bad in PvP, in PvE it's great. You could only out heal a player with it if he hits like a very wet noodle.2 -
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✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »Maybe I've been playing too long then, this is what emperors were like for the majority of time this game was out.
As I said before, most of the people in your video that you were fighting were heavy armor DKs doing little to no damage. If you were fighting a group of procblades and stam sorcs throwing down traps and slicing you with dawnbreaker, you would have been complaining about stamina imbalance like everyone else.
I don't have any trouble with stamina builds on a Templar. My other characters struggle a little with incap strike and viper velidreth procs but those things need nerfing anyway, stam sorc is also overtuned but still not that much trouble on a Templar.
Templar needs bringing down a notch, obviously I'm not going to list everything in one post that needs nerfing in the game when I'm doing a post specifically on Templar. Anyway, you saw the proc blade jump in, he took a large chunk of health. I healed to full and then he died amongst the fight somewhere.PC EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »Maybe I've been playing too long then, this is what emperors were like for the majority of time this game was out.
As I said before, most of the people in your video that you were fighting were heavy armor DKs doing little to no damage. If you were fighting a group of procblades and stam sorcs throwing down traps and slicing you with dawnbreaker, you would have been complaining about stamina imbalance like everyone else.
I don't have any trouble with stamina builds on a Templar. My other characters struggle a little with incap strike and viper velidreth procs but those things need nerfing anyway, stam sorc is also overtuned but still not that much trouble on a Templar.
Templar needs bringing down a notch, obviously I'm not going to list everything in one post that needs nerfing in the game when I'm doing a post specifically on Templar. Anyway, you saw the proc blade jump in, he took a large chunk of health. I healed to full and then he died amongst the fight somewhere.
I don't disagree Templars can be very strong, but if you guys were hit with heal debuffs or poisons, do you think you would have lasted that long? Highly doubtful. If you don't use everything at your disposal, a Templar will just heal through everything. It's what they do.
Breath of Life is pretty stupid though. There's no denying that.0 -
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✭✭Puncturing sweep heals for 35% of damage done, is cone AOE, is also top if not the best single target dps. Add another templar skill for major mending and it increases its healing by 25% more.
It is a bit too much for one skill... people even joke that you can slot it and solo the entire game and it is 100% true, nothing can outdps its healing you can solo world bosses, veteran dungeons and so on with it. for PVE add the jesus beam the morph that heals 20% of its damage and you have a self healing dps unlike none.
In PvP you get something that simply does not die like you can see there... AND does major dps.
Yep, templars have the best spammable and the best execute, but they have the worst dots out of all classes. Magicka-DPS is balanced atm, only stamsorc and DK (maybe the two others aswell...don't see them that often in our group) are over the top.Noobplar0 -
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✭✭Should have negated him. Would have dropped like a fly. Most underrated skill in the game. We have a templar emp pretty much all the time, same guy, situations like that, drop negate, smash them down in 4s. DK pops talons over and over and bye bye templar. Should have had tank dk at breach popping claws to trap them all. Just bad organisation is all.PC Master Race
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kuro-dono✭✭✭✭i love my new hyprid tank sorc, negate magic + snaring every heal bot every 8-12 second. Most ppl are just so darn clueless what to do vs healbots. and yeah... ebon pact
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AlcastClass RepresentativeMalakithAlamahdi wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »
If you can kill anyone with that alone it's their fault. No decent (stamina) player has issues with RD.
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WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Should have negated him. Would have dropped like a fly. Most underrated skill in the game. We have a templar emp pretty much all the time, same guy, situations like that, drop negate, smash them down in 4s. DK pops talons over and over and bye bye templar. Should have had tank dk at breach popping claws to trap them all. Just bad organisation is all.
All that would have done is forced me off the scroll for a few seconds.PC EU0 -
MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »
If you can kill anyone with that alone it's their fault. No decent (stamina) player has issues with RD.
It should hit everyone around the person you're hitting for 50% of the damage done at the end, and make them explode for 10k on death.0 -
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✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Should have negated him. Would have dropped like a fly. Most underrated skill in the game. We have a templar emp pretty much all the time, same guy, situations like that, drop negate, smash them down in 4s. DK pops talons over and over and bye bye templar. Should have had tank dk at breach popping claws to trap them all. Just bad organisation is all.
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Jerro✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Should have negated him. Would have dropped like a fly. Most underrated skill in the game. We have a templar emp pretty much all the time, same guy, situations like that, drop negate, smash them down in 4s. DK pops talons over and over and bye bye templar. Should have had tank dk at breach popping claws to trap them all. Just bad organisation is all.
EP is completely unorganized.
no that is not correct, it give some good guilds, but on trueflame, yes ist mostly only zerging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs3llwQD6Yk
every class with right build can be op. you can not kill a Stamina dk if he use doge roll with Shuffle.
and high tankiness have no dps.
and @WillhelmBlack if we can not kill a tank, we let them there, he is then only "there" and took then the Keep and he can nothing do.
Edited by Jerro on October 3, 2016 11:17AM2 -
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✭Honestly not seeing what the problem is here. MagTemplar is suppose to be relatively tanky because of access to really good in class heals that are useful for a lot of situations, like Ritual/Repentance. Also what DRXHarbringer said is correct. The enemy did not have a Negate. It didn't even look like they had a Sorc running with them. I don't play my Sorc very much, but I can't count on my fingers the amount of times I scared a group of 8+ players with a just a well placed Negate. It has a huge psychological impact on players and a 'No Fly' zone for Magic Players. If we re-wrote this battle scenario with a Negate dropped on that scroll, it would have been GGs.
I don't know OP, I think you're kinda jumping the gun a little bit. Templar has weaknesses.Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on October 3, 2016 1:54PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭This nerf Templar video is actually pretty good compared to the last guy.The last nerf Templar video I saw was a dude running through low ranks and spamming elusive mist once the high ranks showed up. You survived a while against decent ranked players, but I don't see anything that needs to be nerfed in this video. Lots of low damage survival builds doing next to no damage to each other.
You didn't accomplish much. Survived for a bit, died, and lost the keep.
Edited by timidobserver on October 3, 2016 1:59PMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭I can't see anything OP in that video... He can't even kill people with that build. Sorry, but i can survive much more(and deal damage) with a DK.
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✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »"Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
You can see them fight 20 people at once with around 25k HP and not die while killing at least 5. It's broken how Templars can go from 5% HP to 100% HP without any sustain issues what so ever. Add Bats and Mist Form to it and you get a full on killing tank.
as long as people don't learn to CC on cooldown you can do such videos on all classes. he got CCed like 5 or 6 (?) times in a 2 minute fight. I'm not surprised he didn't need repentance...
Show such a video against good players and most people will agree, but this one is not a good example for anything...
I use Immovable pots, but I was CC'd enough times and I was rooted quite a lot to."Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
I have 33K magicka and 3000+ spell damage and I have 4 offensive skills not including ultimates, it's not a zerg tanking build it's just a general PvP set up for Templar. xD you're cracking me up. If I was lowest of the low I could have slotted Jesus Beam and killed a lot more people.
had you tried to use jesus beam you would of died instantly as it's a channel skill and you can interupt putting them off balance.
More importantly there were 3 of you fighting and for the majority of the fight you there wasn't more than 5 against you, as soon as you had about 10 people attacking you died. so you didn't tank a zerg, you didn't even survive more than 10 seconds, so whats your point.....3 -
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✭✭Cherryblossom wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »"Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
You can see them fight 20 people at once with around 25k HP and not die while killing at least 5. It's broken how Templars can go from 5% HP to 100% HP without any sustain issues what so ever. Add Bats and Mist Form to it and you get a full on killing tank.
as long as people don't learn to CC on cooldown you can do such videos on all classes. he got CCed like 5 or 6 (?) times in a 2 minute fight. I'm not surprised he didn't need repentance...
Show such a video against good players and most people will agree, but this one is not a good example for anything...
I use Immovable pots, but I was CC'd enough times and I was rooted quite a lot to."Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
I have 33K magicka and 3000+ spell damage and I have 4 offensive skills not including ultimates, it's not a zerg tanking build it's just a general PvP set up for Templar. xD you're cracking me up. If I was lowest of the low I could have slotted Jesus Beam and killed a lot more people.
had you tried to use jesus beam you would of died instantly as it's a channel skill and you can interupt putting them off balance.
More importantly there were 3 of you fighting and for the majority of the fight you there wasn't more than 5 against you, as soon as you had about 10 people attacking you died. so you didn't tank a zerg, you didn't even survive more than 10 seconds, so whats your point.....
Dark Flare has a 1.7 second cast time, did I die casting it? No.
You literally sound like a Beam Basher not knowing you can cancel Radiant Destruction. 1 tick of it can hit for 10K +.PC EU0 -
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✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »They should really nerf one hand and shield not templars.
Make SnB passives active or stronger with all heavy armor equipped.
Other Templar was using a resto, I could swap to resto on my back bar I'd just use Healing Ward stacked with Harness Magicka and just be as tanky.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Inb4 hate, good luck op, the forumplars are coming! the forumplars are coming!
True, but when you get stunned by a NB and they use their favourite ultimate DoS, then it's a different story. Also, SnB are very strong against high degree players.
I use DW and restro staff, and believe me I can't last long with that kinda off mobs.
A Nightblade is only dangerous when they corner someone from stealth. In the open world, they die the most. Without their stealth burst, they are inferior to all other classes in all ways.
On the other hand, magplars can face tank whole zergs and kill the weak links one by one.
No rock near = dead NB
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✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »"Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
You can see them fight 20 people at once with around 25k HP and not die while killing at least 5. It's broken how Templars can go from 5% HP to 100% HP without any sustain issues what so ever. Add Bats and Mist Form to it and you get a full on killing tank.
as long as people don't learn to CC on cooldown you can do such videos on all classes. he got CCed like 5 or 6 (?) times in a 2 minute fight. I'm not surprised he didn't need repentance...
Show such a video against good players and most people will agree, but this one is not a good example for anything...
I use Immovable pots, but I was CC'd enough times and I was rooted quite a lot to."Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
I have 33K magicka and 3000+ spell damage and I have 4 offensive skills not including ultimates, it's not a zerg tanking build it's just a general PvP set up for Templar. xD you're cracking me up. If I was lowest of the low I could have slotted Jesus Beam and killed a lot more people.
had you tried to use jesus beam you would of died instantly as it's a channel skill and you can interupt putting them off balance.
More importantly there were 3 of you fighting and for the majority of the fight you there wasn't more than 5 against you, as soon as you had about 10 people attacking you died. so you didn't tank a zerg, you didn't even survive more than 10 seconds, so whats your point.....
Dark Flare has a 1.7 second cast time, did I die casting it? No.
You literally sound like a Beam Basher not knowing you can cancel Radiant Destruction. 1 tick of it can hit for 10K +.
You weren't really being attacked that much, the statement stands, radiant is not usable amongst large groups, firstly as I said it's easily interupted, targeting in ESO is very special.
You've still not answered the simple question based on your video, in which you spend the majority of the time fighting a couple of people, as soon as you are attacked by an actual group you die in seconds! Your premise is that Templars are overpowered but your video shows they die pretty quickly when attacked by a large group!
I use radiant for those fleeing a fight, or dodge rolling NB.3 -
Hashtag_✭✭✭✭✭Your dmg was kind of lame. Anyone can make a tanky Templar. It's pretty easy and 90% of Templars are low dmg tanks like this one. Nothing op in this video.
I wear 5 heavy seducer, 2 EG, 5 vicious death and do hella damage, My spell damage is around 3k with that setup. If I got to my Kags/Mags/Willpower setup I'm at like 3400 spell damage and still tankyEdited by Hashtag_ on October 4, 2016 8:54AM0 -
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✭✭Cherryblossom wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »Cherryblossom wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »"Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
You can see them fight 20 people at once with around 25k HP and not die while killing at least 5. It's broken how Templars can go from 5% HP to 100% HP without any sustain issues what so ever. Add Bats and Mist Form to it and you get a full on killing tank.
as long as people don't learn to CC on cooldown you can do such videos on all classes. he got CCed like 5 or 6 (?) times in a 2 minute fight. I'm not surprised he didn't need repentance...
Show such a video against good players and most people will agree, but this one is not a good example for anything...
I use Immovable pots, but I was CC'd enough times and I was rooted quite a lot to."Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
I have 33K magicka and 3000+ spell damage and I have 4 offensive skills not including ultimates, it's not a zerg tanking build it's just a general PvP set up for Templar. xD you're cracking me up. If I was lowest of the low I could have slotted Jesus Beam and killed a lot more people.
had you tried to use jesus beam you would of died instantly as it's a channel skill and you can interupt putting them off balance.
More importantly there were 3 of you fighting and for the majority of the fight you there wasn't more than 5 against you, as soon as you had about 10 people attacking you died. so you didn't tank a zerg, you didn't even survive more than 10 seconds, so whats your point.....
Dark Flare has a 1.7 second cast time, did I die casting it? No.
You literally sound like a Beam Basher not knowing you can cancel Radiant Destruction. 1 tick of it can hit for 10K +.
You weren't really being attacked that much, the statement stands, radiant is not usable amongst large groups, firstly as I said it's easily interupted, targeting in ESO is very special.
You've still not answered the simple question based on your video, in which you spend the majority of the time fighting a couple of people, as soon as you are attacked by an actual group you die in seconds! Your premise is that Templars are overpowered but your video shows they die pretty quickly when attacked by a large group!
I use radiant for those fleeing a fight, or dodge rolling NB.
We weren't being attacked by 2 people, I think you need to re watch the video. The video is highlighting almost infinite sustain and the strength of Major Mending. Do you know what actually killed me in the end? A Templar skill called Radiant Destruction in the back.PC EU1 -
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✭✭The forumplars are strong in this thread.
I have no doubt that if myself and my friend had been wearing Malubeth and Reactive neither of us would have died. This video is just a typical every day fight in Cyrodiil and neither of us use broken sets or use crutches so if you take them out of the equation it's a good example of how overpowered the healing is, neither of us even have points into blessed, they're all in thaumaturge, Spell Pen and elemental.
I can gear up in cheese and spec out for healing like the group we're fighting in this video but would that prove Templar is OP, or the gear?Edited by WillhelmBlack on October 4, 2016 3:26PMPC EU1
